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Mafia 112.5 Betrayal at House on the Hill

#221 User is offline   Galayn Lord 

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 10:28 AM

Purple dildo, why you no read good? It make me so MAD!! I want SMASH!

Glug Lord say why vote purple dildo. Coz purple dildo bad, coz dead death man say so. Him make good case, him make good point, me Glug Lord HAPPY. Glug Lord see no why Glug Lord need add anythink to dead death man's words.

Purple dildo point himself at me, coz he say I speak funny, he try and DISTRACT. No work! No GOOD! His words make Glug Lord SAD. And ANGRY!!

Purple dildo say him play CAREFUL. Him say Denden of many words no play careful. ME SAY DENDEN OF MANY WORDS PLAY LIKE SIMPLE GOOD PERSON! Him look at stuff, sometimes stupid stuff, but I unnerstand. Mean people say I speak stupid stuff sometimes too. They make me ANGRY!! And SAD.

Glug Lord iz feeling confused. Why purple dildo play so careful? It make no sense to Glug Lord. Glug Lord think friends should be open with each other. So Glug Lord think you no friend of Glug Lord. Glug Lord think purple dildo is bad. VERY BAD.


VOTE ELOTH!!

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 10:36 AM

ha ha

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 10:37 AM

Make that 4 players. 6 more to go.

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 11:24 AM

View PostEloth, on 23 May 2014 - 10:03 AM, said:



Using his suicide vig Fener does not help us in any scenario at this point. "Clearing" that player means nothing when that player is now DEAD. I would GREATLY prefer using the vig on D day when we have FAR more evidence to go on and can base our actions on more than gut feeling.

I disagree that the situation is not bad, this was the worst possible outcome for day 1. The situation is far from untenable of course, and we can still win, but it would have been easier if the situation were other than what it is right now.
True, but if you had the suicide vig and you had been tagged for day 1 lynch, would you have been able to eat it and go out quietly? I must admit that I probably would have done the same as Lio.
I don't understand the heat I'm getting for playing cautiously on the only day when we have no concrete evidence of any kind, but I will lay my cards on the table right now.

Denul is behaving like someone who is not worried in the slightest about getting NKed. With how often he is posting and how many half baked opinions he feels confident sharing and throwing votes on as many people as he can, it makes me wonder whether he is scum, symp, or simply useful for the scum to keep around. If I were scum he would have been the number one target for a NK because he has only added to the confusion, as well as killing off the highest poster in the game, slowing the exchange of information. The only reasons I can imagine him being alove today over HP is (1) He is scum (2) He is symp/useful to scum at the moment by distracting from them) (3) He is barking up the wrong tree or (4) HP was on point with his posts.
That's some pretty disturbing WIFOM you're trying to sell there. This entire paragraph hardly helps anything, despite these being the cards you have to lay on the table.
He agreed with me that putting pressure on Sukul is a good vote, and votes on Barghast for the exact same reason 59 minutes later he agrees that it is a bad tactic, what the hell? He puts pressure on Pallid while saying he finds it unlikely Pallid is scum and quotes posts that he himself has previously stated to be joke posts like he is building a case against Pallid. Not good play at all. Even if Pallid is a symp, misusing the posts of others is a awful way to go about trying to convince others to do that.

I don't understand how anyone could be so brazen in throwing accusations and votes all over the thread only to come out unscathed the next day without being scum or completely wrong.

Now, while I don't care for wild accusations thrown everywhere, I don't think that is really what he was doing. He was throwing ideas out, and seeing what reactions to them might be. As you admit above, he drove discussion and got things discussed. That's a good thing, since that was a rather slow day 1 despite his efforts.


Vote Denul

HP voted for GL at the start of the day, we connect briefly over our desire to have more people contribute (I miss you you dead bastard!) Wonders about Denuls quick abandonment of a Pallid vote once Denul is threatened. Further attempts to bring GL into the limelight and GLs coasting RPing may be scum tactic. Criticises Denul once again. He leaves for a few hours then comes back on thread and agrees with the other people who are suspicious of me, I have already responded to this a few posts up. TL:DR for that post is he read a few of my statements incorrectly and disagreed with my suspicion of Denul.

Long and short of it is HP was NKed after putting 3 people into the spotlight during day 1. GL, Denul, and me. He seemed to switch off Denul in favour of a vote for me since he seems to think my dislike of Denul is due to sheltering Pallid. I don't have a read on GL yet, but that is because he hasn't stopped RPing which I think he should now. I think HP was killed for pointing at GL or Denul (Obviously, since I'm ne and I know I'm town, I am certain he was not killed for pointing at me, but obviously you will all have to consider the evidence yourselves) and would welcoime further discussion about both of them. Until then my vote stays where it is

You appear to be trying, but rather than really contributing some solid information or pushing a case driven idea, you're selling WIFOM. The underlined is more of it. You call it evidence, I call it speculation that will get us next to no where.



edit: forgot red color on last part

This post has been edited by Ampelas: 23 May 2014 - 11:25 AM


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Posted 23 May 2014 - 11:53 AM

I have not read through the dead players posts but I have read through every alive player.

Atrahal received one vote. 30 minutes later, Barghast (who had been silent for most of the day) comes on and builds a case surrounding Pallid, Fener and Liosan. He also defends Atrahal and Sukul by steering us clear from voting off the low posters.

Since then Barghast has been quiet again.

The crux of it is, I have one of Atrahal or Sukul as scum, and Barghast as a symp.

The third scum being a choice of 4.

I will post all my reads after I get my wife an Anniversary present. Back in an hour

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 12:01 PM

View PostAmpelas, on 23 May 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

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You appear to be trying, but rather than really contributing some solid information or pushing a case driven idea, you're selling WIFOM. The underlined is more of it. You call it evidence, I call it speculation that will get us next to no where.

edit: forgot red color on last part


Not a lot I can do beyond give you my opinion on who is suspicious/scum, I am suspicious of both Denul and GL and willing to vote for either of them.

After the catastrophe of yesterday I thought people would slow down and take a look at why HP might have been lynched, but no one else seems much interested. How exactly is it WIFOM to posit that HP was killed because of his voiced negative impressions of 3 people?

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 12:09 PM

View PostEloth, on 23 May 2014 - 12:01 PM, said:

View PostAmpelas, on 23 May 2014 - 11:24 AM, said:

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You appear to be trying, but rather than really contributing some solid information or pushing a case driven idea, you're selling WIFOM. The underlined is more of it. You call it evidence, I call it speculation that will get us next to no where.

edit: forgot red color on last part


Not a lot I can do beyond give you my opinion on who is suspicious/scum, I am suspicious of both Denul and GL and willing to vote for either of them.

After the catastrophe of yesterday I thought people would slow down and take a look at why HP might have been lynched, but no one else seems much interested. How exactly is it WIFOM to posit that HP was killed because of his voiced negative impressions of 3 people?




Full agreement with you I am, yes?

Killed Path of Hood was as talking sense he might be seen to be, powerful voice among us hmmm?

Of you Path of Hood 'voice negative impression' - this bad it seems, does it not?

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 12:11 PM

View PostGalayn Lord, on 23 May 2014 - 12:09 PM, said:



Full agreement with you I am, yes?

Killed Path of Hood was as talking sense he might be seen to be, powerful voice among us hmmm?

Of you Path of Hood 'voice negative impression' - this bad it seems, does it not?


Yes, and if I am killed, I will CF as town, and the spot light falls on both of you :rolleyes: I look forward for that silver lining at least if I do end up going down.

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 12:17 PM

View PostEloth, on 23 May 2014 - 12:11 PM, said:

View PostGalayn Lord, on 23 May 2014 - 12:09 PM, said:

Full agreement with you I am, yes?

Killed Path of Hood was as talking sense he might be seen to be, powerful voice among us hmmm?

Of you Path of Hood 'voice negative impression' - this bad it seems, does it not?


Yes, and if I am killed, I will CF as town, and the spot light falls on both of you :rolleyes: I look forward for that silver lining at least if I do end up going down.



Yea even if ye art not scum, what a foul thing to sayeth nevertheless! I am of the town. Thinketh I that Denul is of the town also. So thou hopeth that if thou die, two oth'r townies wouldst join ye in thy fate? Verily, there is a foul scum taste from this on my tongue...th.

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 12:49 PM

Okay, not going to edit my reads. It looks like I have been quiet but I haven't.

Without doing this read I would have just pointed a finger at Eloth and have done with it, see what he CF's as, but there's no way I am going to go through the thread and not give my opinions. This is the legwork so far. We didn't have a lynch to look back on, but we would have done without Lio vigging himself. Regardless of the hammer, how did the train grow?

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 12:54 PM

There is a mistake coming up, i confused Amp and Atrahal but I quickly noticed. (I am quoting myself here) Excuse the long read.

Ampelas

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10 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

Ampelas - Fener accusation about being too serious



Casts suspicion at HP for signalling his "master"

Votes for Lio

Prods Kaschan

Votes for Eloth, because Lio's train jumped to 3. [spoiler http://forum.malazan...ost__p__1126237 [/spoiler]


Reasons I think Amp is town is because of posts like this

(He could be a symp making us not look at his low posting masters) He could be scum trying to be a perfect townie, yet time will tell, if I am still alive).

S/he keeps on the good points. I have him/her firmly as town for now.

Also because they are not too narrow minded, ie just looking at one or two players. Their reactions seem calm and it look like they have a level head on their shoulders.

Atrahal

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Atrahal - Is "interesting", I can easily place him as scum.






See both of those posts have him say something is interesting, but not much else. Pallid, and Fener. One innocent, the other? Hmm. Watch this space with him.


Barghast - MAIN CASE!!

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Barghast - Indignation from Barghast in his first post. He says he was around to participate before the alts were all switched.

From there though, he ups his activity.

He will keep GL in mind for his RP



Does not like Lio voting Atrahal. I have just had Atrahal as potential town, I do not have Barghast as anything yet but if he is scum, he is defending town who he likes and thinks is smart. Maybe. I'll keep it in mind.

Fuck, I got Atrahal messed up with Amp.

This is very interesting. Liosan votes for Atrahal and Barghast ups his activity. Literally 30 minutes later. I will read on but it could be significant. At that time the vote counts were...



So 2 for Liosan and 1 for everyone else.

He goes on to build a case against Fener, Liosan and Pallid. 2 out of three being town.



He then defends Sukul Ankhadu



If Barghast is symp then he is defending low posters, if he is scum, one of these is his partner. I don't see him being town. He has surrounded himself in a grey cloud at the moment for my liking.

Casts a little suspicion towards GL this time and ties himself to HP (the night kill choice)



Rehashes his thoughts that Pallid could be scum.



Dislikes my vote on him but reinforces his dislike of Liosan.



Buddies up to Amp with "rep after the game"

Continues his Paliid/Fener/Liosan ramblings and votes for Liosan



Vote count



This is after Atrahal receiving that vote.

From there Liosan is forced to reveal/kill himself.

Reactions can be bended to their liking so here is Barghast's



He likes Liosan's play BUT I highly doubt we would have lynched anyone else at this point. So I think Liosan did right by the vig at that time.


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Posted 23 May 2014 - 12:56 PM

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Eloth - checks in and votes for Pallid almost immediately

There was time between his posts but on a re read, you can see first post check in, second post vote.

I highly doubt scum would do that. It makes them stand out a lot more than they need to early on.

Interacts on thread with Nimander and GL

Wants people to not jump over the Lio/Fener exchange/votes



also finds Pallid's response not worth a look

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Eloth votes for Sukul, which I like, and Sukul does post afterwards, even just to check in.



Talks to HP on thread.

Talks to me on thread, a bit more hostile than I'd like but that's okay



The point I am making here is that he is active, and he is looking in multiple directions, just like Ampelas. Just like me.

That's good town play.

Explains why Pallid's vehemence is not good symp play



Butts heads with Ampelas



Votes for Liosan, better to lynch than not lynch (my opinion) so I like this vote as well.



Then he is back to it on day 2. I think people are misinterpreting Eloth, and I think a lot has to do with how town and scum play. Town are looking for scum everywhere, whereas, scum are trying to blend in and not be highlighted in anyway.

That is why I am leaning towards both Amp and Eloth being town and Barghyast being scum, because he upped his activity significantly since Sukul and Atrahal received votes. He defends low posters, and I think there will be a scum down there in and amongst them.


Galayn Lord

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Galayn Lord - This sort of play always gets people lynched in the end. I am happy that he is voting and don't mind clearing other people before even thinking about lynching him.











Basically, you have got to ask yourself a question. Do you feel lucky punk? Well? Do you?

No scum would do this because the survival rate on this site, with these players is slim to 0 for Rping and GL has not let up. Town for me.



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Now, if I think Barghast is symp and Atrahal is scum. I would place one of the remaining killers in Kaschan, Nimander, Pallid and Sukul. None of them stand out as scum though. Pallid maybe. Let's delve deeper.


Kaschan

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Kaschan looked keen with his wanted to be second first





Then getting caught up.

Here he says nothing jumps out as scummy. I dislike because it's so wishy washy. Fair enough nothing stands as scummy but there is enough out there to comment on. Not just Pallid's response but Lio's second vote all were talking points



mention of the stripper convention, calls someone lizard boy lol

defends here that he has posted some thoughts, but his level of posting is low, not his amount but his quality.



explains about people saying I am controlling the thread

a one liner, like most of his posts so far



Looks at Atrahal's post as a possible signal to Liosan, whereas I am thinking it could have either been a pre planned signal, or just a set up by Atrahal



Argues with Liosan, takes the point about shit town and argues against it.



Has same view as I do about GL

Reinforces his belief about Liosan being the right way to vote but didn't want to put him at L1.



Final post by Kaschan is about the suicide vig



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Posted 23 May 2014 - 01:00 PM

Nimander

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Nimander Golit

Nim has very limited number of posts.



Jokes around with my RP



Carries his joke forward



Thinks Eloth's vote away from Fener is suspicious



Promises something



Possibly contribution and content.

No read.




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Pallid

So complains about his ugly ass avatar



attacks Lio's vote of Fener



A symp would not act this way, it is rather aggressive, I would say scum or town.

He is entirely too aggressive with his attack on Lio. Does this push him towards townie in our minds? I don't know, I am on the fence.




His list is mighty narrow for my tastes



Only has suspicions towards Lio and I.



Wants me to tone down my posts and activity.

Pallid is not high on my list but there are things there that bug me about him.

Scum do not need to lynch. That is a fact. Pallid already voted for Lio early on, but he showed no signs of voting anyone else, other than showing dislike for me. That is two town he is pushing towards and I don't like it.





Then Sukul

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Sukul Ankhadu

View PostSukul Ankhadu, on 22 May 2014 - 05:30 PM, said:

What's up everyone, sorry for checking in so late, couldn't be helped. Reading up as I have time.



no read



That is why I am voting for Atrahal.

Have a read through that, because each player is highlighted, each of their posts exist in the above.

They cannot hide from that it is fact.

Analysis is not complete because we don't have a lynch train, and I have missed out the dead players. I didn't want to focus on the night kill because that is wifom.

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 01:06 PM

View PostEloth, on 23 May 2014 - 10:03 AM, said:



Denul is behaving like someone who is not worried in the slightest about getting NKed. With how often he is posting and how many half baked opinions he feels confident sharing and throwing votes on as many people as he can, it makes me wonder whether he is scum, symp, or simply useful for the scum to keep around.

He agreed with me that putting pressure on Sukul is a good vote, and votes on Barghast for the exact same reason 59 minutes later he agrees that it is a bad tactic, what the hell? He puts pressure on Pallid while saying he finds it unlikely Pallid is scum and quotes posts that he himself has previously stated to be joke posts like he is building a case against Pallid. Not good play at all. Even if Pallid is a symp, misusing the posts of others is a awful way to go about trying to convince others to do that.

I don't understand how anyone could be so brazen in throwing accusations and votes all over the thread only to come out unscathed the next day without being scum or completely wrong.

HP voted for GL at the start of the day, we connect briefly over our desire to have more people contribute (I miss you you dead bastard!) Wonders about Denuls quick abandonment of a Pallid vote once Denul is threatened. Further attempts to bring GL into the limelight and GLs coasting RPing may be scum tactic. Criticises Denul once again. He leaves for a few hours then comes back on thread and agrees with the other people who are suspicious of me, I have already responded to this a few posts up. TL:DR for that post is he read a few of my statements incorrectly and disagreed with my suspicion of Denul.



Ok, if I cut the WIFOM out of your post, this is what is left. Ultimately, your case on Denul is he's been throwing a lot of shit around, hoping something will stick, and some of this vote choices have gone against his own advice on how to play. That's fair enough, but it doesn't strike me as particularily scummy. Symp-like, possible.

The WIFOM stuff, I mean, maybe scum killed HP at random and we can chase that road only to find it doesn't mean a damn thing. Let's just leave the "why skum killed so-and-so" stuff out of this.

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 01:22 PM

View PostAmpelas, on 23 May 2014 - 01:06 PM, said:

View PostEloth, on 23 May 2014 - 10:03 AM, said:



Denul is behaving like someone who is not worried in the slightest about getting NKed. With how often he is posting and how many half baked opinions he feels confident sharing and throwing votes on as many people as he can, it makes me wonder whether he is scum, symp, or simply useful for the scum to keep around.

He agreed with me that putting pressure on Sukul is a good vote, and votes on Barghast for the exact same reason 59 minutes later he agrees that it is a bad tactic, what the hell? He puts pressure on Pallid while saying he finds it unlikely Pallid is scum and quotes posts that he himself has previously stated to be joke posts like he is building a case against Pallid. Not good play at all. Even if Pallid is a symp, misusing the posts of others is a awful way to go about trying to convince others to do that.

I don't understand how anyone could be so brazen in throwing accusations and votes all over the thread only to come out unscathed the next day without being scum or completely wrong.

HP voted for GL at the start of the day, we connect briefly over our desire to have more people contribute (I miss you you dead bastard!) Wonders about Denuls quick abandonment of a Pallid vote once Denul is threatened. Further attempts to bring GL into the limelight and GLs coasting RPing may be scum tactic. Criticises Denul once again. He leaves for a few hours then comes back on thread and agrees with the other people who are suspicious of me, I have already responded to this a few posts up. TL:DR for that post is he read a few of my statements incorrectly and disagreed with my suspicion of Denul.



Ok, if I cut the WIFOM out of your post, this is what is left. Ultimately, your case on Denul is he's been throwing a lot of shit around, hoping something will stick, and some of this vote choices have gone against his own advice on how to play. That's fair enough, but it doesn't strike me as particularily scummy. Symp-like, possible.

The WIFOM stuff, I mean, maybe scum killed HP at random and we can chase that road only to find it doesn't mean a damn thing. Let's just leave the "why skum killed so-and-so" stuff out of this.


The reason Eloth is not quoting posts is because


View PostNimander Golit, on 21 May 2014 - 09:39 PM, said:

View PostEloth, on 21 May 2014 - 09:24 PM, said:

View PostPallid, on 21 May 2014 - 09:14 PM, said:

jumping straight on to bandwagoning lio?



what the fuck?


Agreed wholeheartedly bandwagoning is chickenshit, and now for something completely different;

Vote Pallid


Deflecting from Fener this early is damn suspicious if you ask me.



View PostPath-Shaper, on 22 May 2014 - 03:49 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 22 hours 44 minutes remain.

13 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Fener, Galayn Lord, Hood's Path, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

7 votes to lynch. 7 votes to go to night.

1 vote Fener: Denul
1 vote Pallid: Eloth
1 vote Liosan: Ampelas
1 vote Galayn Lord: Hood's Path

Not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Fener, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Liosan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu


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Posted 23 May 2014 - 01:23 PM

It is Day 2. 31 hours 59 minutes remaining.

10 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu

6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.

1 vote Atrahal: Denul
1 vote Denul: Eloth
1 vote Eloth: Galayn Lord


Not voted: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 23 May 2014 - 01:24 PM

I never voted for Pallid.

My reads are above for all to see, I wonder if Atrahal is the one we should lynch, there are a few that fit the MO but Atrahal was the recent vote by Amp when Barghast started his campaign.

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 01:33 PM

View PostDenul, on 23 May 2014 - 01:24 PM, said:

I never voted for Pallid.

My reads are above for all to see, I wonder if Atrahal is the one we should lynch, there are a few that fit the MO but Atrahal was the recent vote by Amp when Barghast started his campaign.


what? I never voted for Atrahal.

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 01:39 PM

View PostAmpelas, on 23 May 2014 - 01:33 PM, said:

View PostDenul, on 23 May 2014 - 01:24 PM, said:

I never voted for Pallid.

My reads are above for all to see, I wonder if Atrahal is the one we should lynch, there are a few that fit the MO but Atrahal was the recent vote by Amp when Barghast started his campaign.


what? I never voted for Atrahal.

Sorry it was Lio. Lio voted Atrahal, and 30 minutes later Barghast starts his campaign.


View PostLiosan, on 22 May 2014 - 04:28 PM, said:

You know what,

Vote Atrahal

Get on thread and do something.


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Posted 23 May 2014 - 01:40 PM

Sorry, Amp, you can see in my "main case" above, I have it right, it's Lio that votes Atrahal. I was talking to you on thread and got alts mixed up.

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