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Do you have any direct answer to Eloth's accusations of you?
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Posted 23 May 2014 - 01:44 PM
Ampelas, on 23 May 2014 - 01:42 PM, said:
No worries.
Do you have any direct answer to Eloth's accusations of you?
Do you have any direct answer to Eloth's accusations of you?
They look a bit messy to be honest. They have basically just done a speech to try and sway people to their cause. They have brought up no quotes, and the case is flimsy at best.
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Posted 23 May 2014 - 02:04 PM
Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 01:44 PM, said:
Ampelas, on 23 May 2014 - 01:42 PM, said:
No worries.
Do you have any direct answer to Eloth's accusations of you?
Do you have any direct answer to Eloth's accusations of you?
They look a bit messy to be honest. They have basically just done a speech to try and sway people to their cause. They have brought up no quotes, and the case is flimsy at best.
I wasn't able to do a long multi-quote post due to time constraints.
You did some great work with those posts, and I appreciate you have recognised my behaviour as what it is (greater chances of continued existence!). The only part I dislike is you tied your towniness to the towniness of both myself and ampelas. If we are town then so are you, and if we believe you to be scum then we are saying we are acting scumlike as well. This is a great way to imply scummyness on our parts if we continue to press you by saying we are the same. Apart from that I agree with most of what you have written except for GL.
I am not happy with the RP at the moment, he is hiding behind a gimmick to avoid giving us his unadulterated opinion, he came closest to being legible when he was calling me a purple dildo and even then, he wasn't adding to any conversation in a meaningful way, just restating what others have done before. I will be happy to remove my vote and see what GL and barghast bring to the table today. Still wish the low posters would have more of a presence though.
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Posted 23 May 2014 - 02:12 PM
This one? Dear me, it is a bit of a mess.
This sounds like false indignation.
Messremb is a newish player but you can see why he used his vig. He was getting lynched anyway, and it clears another player. I would prefer it to be used now, than on D day or something like that. The situation is not a bad one. Like I say, this reads false.
Using his suicide vig Fener does not help us in any scenario at this point. "Clearing" that player means nothing when that player is now DEAD. I would GREATLY prefer using the vig on D day when we have FAR more evidence to go on and can base our actions on more than gut feeling.
Yes, yes it does. Look at Barghast's case. It centered around 3 players. Liosan just cleared two of them. So could Pallid be scum or just another townie that Barghast is pointing us towards? If the vig gets it wrong D day it is game over. Right now, it is not game over. We have lots of time left.
I disagree that the situation is not bad, this was the worst possible outcome for day 1. The situation is far from untenable of course, and we can still win, but it would have been easier if the situation were other than what it is right now.
Yes it is the worst possible outcome on day 1. 3 dead town but better the town being suspects than unknowns, image Lio took out Sukul, that leads to no connections whatsoever, although it does clear a low poster. In fact, that would have been a good move too. I do no fault Lio for using his town ability when he was up for the chop. He should not have gotten himself into the position he did. Look at us RI's that's our job. To make cases and stand out. That way, he would still be alive, and we would have a vig in our pocket. Yet we all decided he was best option for the lynch AND YOU VOTED FOR HIM TOO AND FORCED HIS HAND. I am saying Barghast was the main protagonist of that but you helped. I helped, all the ones that voted for Lio helped. Yet the day after you come on and go, "why Lio, why did you do it", that cries of false indignation to me and I said it that way.
I don't understand the heat I'm getting for playing cautiously on the only day when we have no concrete evidence of any kind, but I will lay my cards on the table right now.
I was not part of your heat. I have said as much.
Denul is behaving like someone who is not worried in the slightest about getting NKed.
I am not worried about that, if I am killed I am killed and you can use my death. I am worried about not getting lynches in and putting people under pressure.
With how often he is posting and how many half baked opinions he feels confident sharing and throwing votes on as many people as he can, it makes me wonder whether he is scum, symp, or simply useful for the scum to keep around.
So I am scum, symp or useful to scum? What happens when I CF RI? You will pick whatever suits you best. So, come on Eloth, what am I?
If I were scum he would have been the number one target for a NK because he has only added to the confusion
Okay, you just said I was useful to scum but now you are saying you would have killed me if you were scum?
, as well as killing off the highest poster in the game, slowing the exchange of information. The only reasons I can imagine him being alove today over HP is (1) He is scum (2) He is symp/useful to scum at the moment by distracting from them) (3) He is barking up the wrong tree or (4) HP was on point with his posts.
See, looking into the night kill like this is scummy Eloth. You cannot know why they picked HP at all. It's WIFOM of the highest caliber.
He agreed with me that putting pressure on Sukul is a good vote, and votes on Barghast for the exact same reason 59 minutes later he agrees that it is a bad tactic, what the hell? He puts pressure on Pallid while saying he finds it unlikely Pallid is scum and quotes posts that he himself has previously stated to be joke posts like he is building a case against Pallid. Not good play at all. Even if Pallid is a symp, misusing the posts of others is a awful way to go about trying to convince others to do that.
Quote this sequence of events please. You are trying to put things there, that don't exist.
I don't understand how anyone could be so brazen in throwing accusations and votes all over the thread only to come out unscathed the next day without being scum or completely wrong.
I was obviously completely wrong, my vote stayed on Liosan.
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HP voted for GL at the start of the day, we connect briefly over our desire to have more people contribute (I miss you you dead bastard!) Wonders about Denuls quick abandonment of a Pallid vote once Denul is threatened.
Lies.
Further attempts to bring GL into the limelight and GLs coasting RPing may be scum tactic. Criticises Denul once again. He leaves for a few hours then comes back on thread and agrees with the other people who are suspicious of me, I have already responded to this a few posts up. TL:DR for that post is he read a few of my statements incorrectly and disagreed with my suspicion of Denul.
Who are you reading here? HP? Why are you not quoting him? You are basing your vote off of the night kill and yet you are not posting HP's criticism of me and then disagreeing with you about suspecting me. This whole shit case is so shit and messy and fucking idiotic.
Long and short of it is HP was NKed after putting 3 people into the spotlight during day 1. GL, Denul, and me. No, you do not know this, you cannot know this and you're fucking thick to fucking think it. For fuck sake, are you in special school?
He seemed to switch off Denul in favour of a vote for me since he seems to think my dislike of Denul is due to sheltering Pallid.
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I don't have a read on GL yet, but
It grows
that is because he hasn't stopped RPing which I think he should now.
I think HP was killed for pointing at GL or Denul
and grows
(Obviously, since I'm ne and I know I'm town, I am certain he was not killed for pointing at me, but obviously you will all have to consider the evidence yourselves) and would welcoime further discussion about both of them. Until then my vote stays where it is
Omg, I didn't even read this fully before. I think I just puked a little in my mouth.
That ^. Whatever that is. Is disgusting and so bad. Focusing today's vote on the night kill.
To end. Eloth, even though that case is awful, I applaud you for trying. I don't even have you in my scum read at the moment.
I still prefer Atrahal over anyone else today, but just for you, I will have a read over HP.
Eloth, on 23 May 2014 - 10:03 AM, said:
Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 08:08 AM, said:
Eloth, on 23 May 2014 - 06:52 AM, said:
Why Lio? Why use the vig on Day fucking 1. We get it, it sucks to be lynched in the randomness of day 1. But it would have been so much better to have you die without using it, than to have the situation we have now...
Got to go asap, I will respond to the accusations against me later today, I'll just say this - I avoided making cases and joining in the slap fights because it was an incredibly banal (and short) Day 1.
Got to go asap, I will respond to the accusations against me later today, I'll just say this - I avoided making cases and joining in the slap fights because it was an incredibly banal (and short) Day 1.
This sounds like false indignation.
Messremb is a newish player but you can see why he used his vig. He was getting lynched anyway, and it clears another player. I would prefer it to be used now, than on D day or something like that. The situation is not a bad one. Like I say, this reads false.
Using his suicide vig Fener does not help us in any scenario at this point. "Clearing" that player means nothing when that player is now DEAD. I would GREATLY prefer using the vig on D day when we have FAR more evidence to go on and can base our actions on more than gut feeling.
Yes, yes it does. Look at Barghast's case. It centered around 3 players. Liosan just cleared two of them. So could Pallid be scum or just another townie that Barghast is pointing us towards? If the vig gets it wrong D day it is game over. Right now, it is not game over. We have lots of time left.
I disagree that the situation is not bad, this was the worst possible outcome for day 1. The situation is far from untenable of course, and we can still win, but it would have been easier if the situation were other than what it is right now.
Yes it is the worst possible outcome on day 1. 3 dead town but better the town being suspects than unknowns, image Lio took out Sukul, that leads to no connections whatsoever, although it does clear a low poster. In fact, that would have been a good move too. I do no fault Lio for using his town ability when he was up for the chop. He should not have gotten himself into the position he did. Look at us RI's that's our job. To make cases and stand out. That way, he would still be alive, and we would have a vig in our pocket. Yet we all decided he was best option for the lynch AND YOU VOTED FOR HIM TOO AND FORCED HIS HAND. I am saying Barghast was the main protagonist of that but you helped. I helped, all the ones that voted for Lio helped. Yet the day after you come on and go, "why Lio, why did you do it", that cries of false indignation to me and I said it that way.
I don't understand the heat I'm getting for playing cautiously on the only day when we have no concrete evidence of any kind, but I will lay my cards on the table right now.
I was not part of your heat. I have said as much.
Denul is behaving like someone who is not worried in the slightest about getting NKed.
I am not worried about that, if I am killed I am killed and you can use my death. I am worried about not getting lynches in and putting people under pressure.
With how often he is posting and how many half baked opinions he feels confident sharing and throwing votes on as many people as he can, it makes me wonder whether he is scum, symp, or simply useful for the scum to keep around.
So I am scum, symp or useful to scum? What happens when I CF RI? You will pick whatever suits you best. So, come on Eloth, what am I?
If I were scum he would have been the number one target for a NK because he has only added to the confusion
Okay, you just said I was useful to scum but now you are saying you would have killed me if you were scum?
, as well as killing off the highest poster in the game, slowing the exchange of information. The only reasons I can imagine him being alove today over HP is (1) He is scum (2) He is symp/useful to scum at the moment by distracting from them) (3) He is barking up the wrong tree or (4) HP was on point with his posts.
See, looking into the night kill like this is scummy Eloth. You cannot know why they picked HP at all. It's WIFOM of the highest caliber.
He agreed with me that putting pressure on Sukul is a good vote, and votes on Barghast for the exact same reason 59 minutes later he agrees that it is a bad tactic, what the hell? He puts pressure on Pallid while saying he finds it unlikely Pallid is scum and quotes posts that he himself has previously stated to be joke posts like he is building a case against Pallid. Not good play at all. Even if Pallid is a symp, misusing the posts of others is a awful way to go about trying to convince others to do that.
Quote this sequence of events please. You are trying to put things there, that don't exist.
I don't understand how anyone could be so brazen in throwing accusations and votes all over the thread only to come out unscathed the next day without being scum or completely wrong.
I was obviously completely wrong, my vote stayed on Liosan.
Vote Denul
HP voted for GL at the start of the day, we connect briefly over our desire to have more people contribute (I miss you you dead bastard!) Wonders about Denuls quick abandonment of a Pallid vote once Denul is threatened.
Lies.
Further attempts to bring GL into the limelight and GLs coasting RPing may be scum tactic. Criticises Denul once again. He leaves for a few hours then comes back on thread and agrees with the other people who are suspicious of me, I have already responded to this a few posts up. TL:DR for that post is he read a few of my statements incorrectly and disagreed with my suspicion of Denul.
Who are you reading here? HP? Why are you not quoting him? You are basing your vote off of the night kill and yet you are not posting HP's criticism of me and then disagreeing with you about suspecting me. This whole shit case is so shit and messy and fucking idiotic.
Long and short of it is HP was NKed after putting 3 people into the spotlight during day 1. GL, Denul, and me. No, you do not know this, you cannot know this and you're fucking thick to fucking think it. For fuck sake, are you in special school?
He seemed to switch off Denul in favour of a vote for me since he seems to think my dislike of Denul is due to sheltering Pallid.
The Hate
I don't have a read on GL yet, but
It grows
that is because he hasn't stopped RPing which I think he should now.
I think HP was killed for pointing at GL or Denul
and grows
(Obviously, since I'm ne and I know I'm town, I am certain he was not killed for pointing at me, but obviously you will all have to consider the evidence yourselves) and would welcoime further discussion about both of them. Until then my vote stays where it is
Omg, I didn't even read this fully before. I think I just puked a little in my mouth.
That ^. Whatever that is. Is disgusting and so bad. Focusing today's vote on the night kill.
To end. Eloth, even though that case is awful, I applaud you for trying. I don't even have you in my scum read at the moment.
I still prefer Atrahal over anyone else today, but just for you, I will have a read over HP.
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Posted 23 May 2014 - 02:20 PM
Eloth, on 23 May 2014 - 02:04 PM, said:
Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 01:44 PM, said:
Ampelas, on 23 May 2014 - 01:42 PM, said:
No worries.
Do you have any direct answer to Eloth's accusations of you?
Do you have any direct answer to Eloth's accusations of you?
They look a bit messy to be honest. They have basically just done a speech to try and sway people to their cause. They have brought up no quotes, and the case is flimsy at best.
I wasn't able to do a long multi-quote post due to time constraints.
You did some great work with those posts, and I appreciate you have recognised my behaviour as what it is (greater chances of continued existence!). The only part I dislike is you tied your towniness to the towniness of both myself and ampelas. If we are town then so are you, and if we believe you to be scum then we are saying we are acting scumlike as well. This is a great way to imply scummyness on our parts if we continue to press you by saying we are the same. Apart from that I agree with most of what you have written except for GL.
I am not happy with the RP at the moment, he is hiding behind a gimmick to avoid giving us his unadulterated opinion, he came closest to being legible when he was calling me a purple dildo and even then, he wasn't adding to any conversation in a meaningful way, just restating what others have done before. I will be happy to remove my vote and see what GL and barghast bring to the table today. Still wish the low posters would have more of a presence though.
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Yes that is what I was doing all morning, reading up on the alive players and you were reading up on the dead players.
Look at it this way.
As an ri we don't know who is scum, so Lio, Fener and HP were all innocent and they were just as clueless as the rest of us. Until we get that scum CF we cannot know why people are doing what they are doing. If for example, Atrahal turns up scum then I'll be wanting to lynch Barghast. However, if he CF's innocent I will want to vote Sukul or Nimander because their presence fits my case against Barghast being symp.
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Posted 23 May 2014 - 02:44 PM
Quick recap of HP day one, for the benefit of Eloth.
Amp found this post to be symp like. Galayn Lord, Liosan and Pallid as an after thought were mentioned. It is possible that HP was a symp, but we will not know unless GL or Pallid turn out to be scum. WCS dictates that there is still a symp out there.
HP actually can see why Amp would think this, and he votes for one of the suspects GL.
His vote and reason
Has a little pop at Atrahal here, for not casting suspicion at anyone in particular.
Interacts with Eloth. Friendly on thread.
Hp wants to see more action from Barghast and Kaschan
Accuses me of jumping onto Liosan because I was being accused of symping him
He then retracts that statement here
He says
See Eloth. See that quote?
Anyway...
Rehashes his suspicion of GL
says something to Fener. Then he actually confronts Sukul
He votes for Eloth (he wasn't voting Liosan i don't think, or didn't see)
This is quite a finger point towards Eloth
It's not the greatest case but it is a case, with a vote towards the end of day. Now looking at HP as a symp clears Eloth.
Looking at HP as town vindicates Eloth.
Eloth using the night kill to point fingers at me is scummy. He (HP) hardly mentions me at all.
This was used by looking up all posts by HP, sorry if it has missed some out. I don't know if it has.
Amp found this post to be symp like. Galayn Lord, Liosan and Pallid as an after thought were mentioned. It is possible that HP was a symp, but we will not know unless GL or Pallid turn out to be scum. WCS dictates that there is still a symp out there.
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HP actually can see why Amp would think this, and he votes for one of the suspects GL.
His vote and reason
Spoiler
Has a little pop at Atrahal here, for not casting suspicion at anyone in particular.
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Interacts with Eloth. Friendly on thread.
Hp wants to see more action from Barghast and Kaschan
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Accuses me of jumping onto Liosan because I was being accused of symping him
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He then retracts that statement here
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He says
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You were right though - you had already expressed suspicion of Liosan, so actually Pallid's assertion that you might be symping him was completely off base.
See Eloth. See that quote?
Anyway...
Rehashes his suspicion of GL
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says something to Fener. Then he actually confronts Sukul
Spoiler
He votes for Eloth (he wasn't voting Liosan i don't think, or didn't see)
This is quite a finger point towards Eloth
Spoiler
It's not the greatest case but it is a case, with a vote towards the end of day. Now looking at HP as a symp clears Eloth.
Looking at HP as town vindicates Eloth.
Eloth using the night kill to point fingers at me is scummy. He (HP) hardly mentions me at all.
This was used by looking up all posts by HP, sorry if it has missed some out. I don't know if it has.
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Posted 23 May 2014 - 03:19 PM
Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 02:44 PM, said:
He says
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You were right though - you had already expressed suspicion of Liosan, so actually Pallid's assertion that you might be symping him was completely off base.
See Eloth. See that quote?
Pallid, on 22 May 2014 - 12:10 PM, said:
How about this, you're symping Lio by defending him!! Just as stupid as what you are aiming at me, so deal with it.
Yeah I see it, and both you and him missed the part where he was saying your argument was as nonsensical as him saying you were symping Lisoan. He was NOT accusing you of symping Lio, he was saying your argument was stupid and incoherent.
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Posted 23 May 2014 - 03:30 PM
Eloth, on 23 May 2014 - 03:19 PM, said:
Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 02:44 PM, said:
He says
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You were right though - you had already expressed suspicion of Liosan, so actually Pallid's assertion that you might be symping him was completely off base.
See Eloth. See that quote?
Pallid, on 22 May 2014 - 12:10 PM, said:
How about this, you're symping Lio by defending him!! Just as stupid as what you are aiming at me, so deal with it.
Yeah I see it, and both you and him missed the part where he was saying your argument was as nonsensical as him saying you were symping Lisoan. He was NOT accusing you of symping Lio, he was saying your argument was stupid and incoherent.
No, Hp was not accusing me. He was saying that Pallid's argument that I was symping Lio was off base.
I am not pointing a finger at Pallid right now. I am not pushing that case. I am looking elsewhere. Your case was bad, and it needs to be redone, or you look elsewhere. What do you make of Barghast and Atrahal/Sukul/Nimander?
Are you seeing why I am pushing in that direction today?
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Posted 23 May 2014 - 03:35 PM
Decent thoughts being put out there, and I see merit in the information that could be gained from an Atrahal or possibly a GL lynch.
We need to hear a lot more, from more people though.
I would no longer be so disinclined to vote for low-posters as we move into day 3.
We need to hear a lot more, from more people though.
I would no longer be so disinclined to vote for low-posters as we move into day 3.
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Ampelas, on 23 May 2014 - 03:35 PM, said:
Decent thoughts being put out there, and I see merit in the information that could be gained from an Atrahal or possibly a GL lynch.
We need to hear a lot more, from more people though.
I would no longer be so disinclined to vote for low-posters as we move into day 3.
We need to hear a lot more, from more people though.
I would no longer be so disinclined to vote for low-posters as we move into day 3.
I agree. It hurts us more than them this low content.
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Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 03:56 PM, said:
I am going away now, looks like I won't be influential towards lynch. I will be around to change vote, and after all the discussion I see GL or Atrahal going down today, someone else would be a shock.
I say that, but personally I don't think GL will turn out to be scum. I've said as much upthread.
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Posted 23 May 2014 - 04:01 PM
Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 04:01 PM, said:
Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 03:56 PM, said:
I am going away now, looks like I won't be influential towards lynch. I will be around to change vote, and after all the discussion I see GL or Atrahal going down today, someone else would be a shock.
I say that, but personally I don't think GL will turn out to be scum. I've said as much upthread.
It is mafia and I have been fooled before.
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Posted 23 May 2014 - 04:02 PM
Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 04:01 PM, said:
Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 04:01 PM, said:
Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 03:56 PM, said:
I am going away now, looks like I won't be influential towards lynch. I will be around to change vote, and after all the discussion I see GL or Atrahal going down today, someone else would be a shock.
I say that, but personally I don't think GL will turn out to be scum. I've said as much upthread.
It is mafia and I have been fooled before.
Given Barghast's time away from the thread, he best be coming up with something magnificent that will sway heads.
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Posted 23 May 2014 - 04:04 PM
Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 03:56 PM, said:
I am going away now, looks like I won't be influential towards lynch. I will be around to change vote, and after all the discussion I see GL or Atrahal going down today, someone else would be a shock.
What odd thing to say
Why would one become shocked
Everyone is suspect
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Posted 23 May 2014 - 04:11 PM
Galayn Lord, on 23 May 2014 - 04:04 PM, said:
Denul, on 23 May 2014 - 03:56 PM, said:
I am going away now, looks like I won't be influential towards lynch. I will be around to change vote, and after all the discussion I see GL or Atrahal going down today, someone else would be a shock.
What odd thing to say
Why would one become shocked
Everyone is suspect
Yes, I don't want to see you lynched, but what people have said upthread ^ leads me to suspect you are a candidate for today.
There's not much discussion going on and I don't believe in an Eloth lynch eithr. I think he is a patsy
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Posted 23 May 2014 - 04:13 PM
It is Day 2. 29 hours 9 minutes remaining.
10 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu
6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.
1 vote Atrahal: Denul
1 vote Eloth: Galayn Lord
Not voted: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Eloth, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu
10 players are alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu
6 votes to lynch. 5 votes to go to night.
1 vote Atrahal: Denul
1 vote Eloth: Galayn Lord
Not voted: Ampelas, Atrahal, Barghast, Eloth, Kaschan, Nimander Golit, Pallid, Sukul Ankhadu
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
