[Venesara]

Korvalain, on 07 May 2014 - 01:51 PM, said:

snip

All for applying pressure to low posters. My issue here is that it hasn't been followed up with for instance Hentos, could be down to time or could be wanting someone else to step up and play too

You could see the talking about rupture as talking about his own role. At the end of the day we don't know who had what contract until they are relinquished and we are able to reveal like I just did.

[Demelain]

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

I have relinquished my role, so therefore I am able to reveal it.

Quote

Reveals - Since all contracts are posted and updated publicly, you may not reveal or discuss your current contract, nor the results of the abilities it gave you. You may, however, reveal and discuss freely any prior contracts you have held. You are allowed to reveal anything you like in lover conversations, and you may reveal on-thread anything told to you by a lover.

Furthermore, you may not reveal your registration order on-thread.

Stone and Material absorption.

I had this and therefore could not kill.

after that reveal do you still believe we should hold you on L 1? I don't

in my opinion the train on you has atleast two scum.Im more convinced Anthras is scum. he has driven for Ven the most over a day and a half.

players not on the train...im one of them. why was there no hammer on a pi player? i'm inclined to think scum are easier to discover in looking at anthras and players pushing for ven but afraid to lay a damning vote.

for now im gonna

vote anthras

edit: bolded text

This post has been edited by Demelain: 07 May 2014 - 02:12 PM

[Venesara]

Korvalain, on 07 May 2014 - 01:54 PM, said:

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

I have relinquished my role, so therefore I am able to reveal it.

Quote

Reveals - Since all contracts are posted and updated publicly, you may not reveal or discuss your current contract, nor the results of the abilities it gave you. You may, however, reveal and discuss freely any prior contracts you have held. You are allowed to reveal anything you like in lover conversations, and you may reveal on-thread anything told to you by a lover.

Furthermore, you may not reveal your registration order on-thread.

Stone and Material absorption.

I had this and therefore could not kill.

Nice call. Was the BP used? I doubt it given you were flavour of the lynch but worth checking.

The no NA tonight makes you a safe bet should we need to deposit an ability out of harms way - RIO for instance or should scum release a killing role for one of the new ones

What makes me a safe bet? I no longer have the ability unless I regain that particular one.

You saying that Korbas had a safe grasp of mechanics, so what. That is not role indicative. That does not make him more or less town, that just means he understands the game.

[Venesara]

Demelain, on 07 May 2014 - 02:10 PM, said:

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

I have relinquished my role, so therefore I am able to reveal it.

Quote

Reveals - Since all contracts are posted and updated publicly, you may not reveal or discuss your current contract, nor the results of the abilities it gave you. You may, however, reveal and discuss freely any prior contracts you have held. You are allowed to reveal anything you like in lover conversations, and you may reveal on-thread anything told to you by a lover.

Furthermore, you may not reveal your registration order on-thread.

Stone and Material absorption.

I had this and therefore could not kill.

after that reveal do you still believe we should hold you on L 1? I don't

in my opinion the train on you has atleast two scum.Im more convinced Anthras is scum. he has driven for Ven the most over a day and a half.

players not on the train...im one of them. why was there no hammer on a pi player? i'm inclined to think scum are easier to discover in looking at anthras and players pushing for ven but afraid to lay a damning vote.

for now im gonna

vote anthras

edit: bolded text

Anthras did vote for me. As there are no symps in the game, then I don't know what Korbas' play was.

It was too late in the day for Anthras to be lynched, especially with a quiet thread.

I don't know if Anthras is suggesting he had the other role relinquished or not.

Anthras, did you relinquish that role?

[Korvalain]

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 02:12 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 07 May 2014 - 01:54 PM, said:

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

I have relinquished my role, so therefore I am able to reveal it.

Quote

Reveals - Since all contracts are posted and updated publicly, you may not reveal or discuss your current contract, nor the results of the abilities it gave you. You may, however, reveal and discuss freely any prior contracts you have held. You are allowed to reveal anything you like in lover conversations, and you may reveal on-thread anything told to you by a lover.

Furthermore, you may not reveal your registration order on-thread.

Stone and Material absorption.

I had this and therefore could not kill.

Nice call. Was the BP used? I doubt it given you were flavour of the lynch but worth checking.

The no NA tonight makes you a safe bet should we need to deposit an ability out of harms way - RIO for instance or should scum release a killing role for one of the new ones

What makes me a safe bet? I no longer have the ability unless I regain that particular one.

You saying that Korbas had a safe grasp of mechanics, so what. That is not role indicative. That does not make him more or less town, that just means he understands the game.

This makes you a safe bet to deposit any actions we don't want immediately used:

Path-Shaper, on 29 April 2014 - 05:53 PM, said:

KN-042 | Stone & Metal Material Absorption
Open
By touching any hardened material, such as metal or concrete, the contractor can shift that material as if it were liquid into a condensed layer bonded to their epidermis, where it can act as armour.
Ability: The player immediately gains a BP which blocks the first lethal action to target the player at night. The BP remains active each night until it blocks an attack or the contract is relinquished. The player is informed when their BP is lost.
Renumeration: Immobility. The player cannot perform any actions while the BP is active, nor on the first night after they no longer have it.
Relinquish: normal
Fulfillment: Once this contract has been used to successfully block 3 lethal actions (for the same player or for multiple players), it is Fulfilled.

I.e. no matter what ability you pick up you cannot use it tonight. Therefore safe to keep a NK or other contract squirreled away

The grasp of mechanics was focussed on what we can do with those roles that we know are held by town to PI each other. Scum don't need a list of who might be symps because there isn't any symps therefore they're shooting fish (town) in a barrel. We need to get our PIs so we can look at those who aren't.

[Venesara]

Korvalain, on 07 May 2014 - 02:17 PM, said:

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 02:12 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 07 May 2014 - 01:54 PM, said:

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

I have relinquished my role, so therefore I am able to reveal it.

Quote

Reveals - Since all contracts are posted and updated publicly, you may not reveal or discuss your current contract, nor the results of the abilities it gave you. You may, however, reveal and discuss freely any prior contracts you have held. You are allowed to reveal anything you like in lover conversations, and you may reveal on-thread anything told to you by a lover.

Furthermore, you may not reveal your registration order on-thread.

Stone and Material absorption.

I had this and therefore could not kill.

Nice call. Was the BP used? I doubt it given you were flavour of the lynch but worth checking.

The no NA tonight makes you a safe bet should we need to deposit an ability out of harms way - RIO for instance or should scum release a killing role for one of the new ones

What makes me a safe bet? I no longer have the ability unless I regain that particular one.

You saying that Korbas had a safe grasp of mechanics, so what. That is not role indicative. That does not make him more or less town, that just means he understands the game.

This makes you a safe bet to deposit any actions we don't want immediately used:

Path-Shaper, on 29 April 2014 - 05:53 PM, said:

KN-042 | Stone & Metal Material Absorption
Open
By touching any hardened material, such as metal or concrete, the contractor can shift that material as if it were liquid into a condensed layer bonded to their epidermis, where it can act as armour.
Ability: The player immediately gains a BP which blocks the first lethal action to target the player at night. The BP remains active each night until it blocks an attack or the contract is relinquished. The player is informed when their BP is lost.
Renumeration: Immobility. The player cannot perform any actions while the BP is active, nor on the first night after they no longer have it.
Relinquish: normal
Fulfillment: Once this contract has been used to successfully block 3 lethal actions (for the same player or for multiple players), it is Fulfilled.

I.e. no matter what ability you pick up you cannot use it tonight. Therefore safe to keep a NK or other contract squirreled away

The grasp of mechanics was focussed on what we can do with those roles that we know are held by town to PI each other. Scum don't need a list of who might be symps because there isn't any symps therefore they're shooting fish (town) in a barrel. We need to get our PIs so we can look at those who aren't.

I agree we need to do that. Someone can claim that other role. Only town should be claiming the roles relinquished because it gives us a safer platform to lynch.

What if I got the bp ability back?

I should be okay tonight, if not then oops, I have just painted an x on my back

[Anthras]

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 02:15 PM, said:

Demelain, on 07 May 2014 - 02:10 PM, said:

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

I have relinquished my role, so therefore I am able to reveal it.

Quote

Reveals - Since all contracts are posted and updated publicly, you may not reveal or discuss your current contract, nor the results of the abilities it gave you. You may, however, reveal and discuss freely any prior contracts you have held. You are allowed to reveal anything you like in lover conversations, and you may reveal on-thread anything told to you by a lover.

Furthermore, you may not reveal your registration order on-thread.

Stone and Material absorption.

I had this and therefore could not kill.

after that reveal do you still believe we should hold you on L 1? I don't

in my opinion the train on you has atleast two scum.Im more convinced Anthras is scum. he has driven for Ven the most over a day and a half.

players not on the train...im one of them. why was there no hammer on a pi player? i'm inclined to think scum are easier to discover in looking at anthras and players pushing for ven but afraid to lay a damning vote.

for now im gonna

vote anthras

edit: bolded text

Anthras did vote for me. As there are no symps in the game, then I don't know what Korbas' play was.

It was too late in the day for Anthras to be lynched, especially with a quiet thread.

I don't know if Anthras is suggesting he had the other role relinquished or not.

Anthras, did you relinquish that role?

I did not say that I had relinquished that role. If I had I would have said such a thing.

[Anthras]

As much as I would like to follow suit and relinquish my contract as Ven has done. I am not going to take that chance. I would rather be lynched.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 26 hours remain. 10 hours left for registration.

12 players are alive: Anthras, Demelain, Hanas, Hentos Ilm, Karatallid, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Pran Chole, Ryllandaras, Tholen, Venesara

7 votes to lynch. 6 votes to go to night.


2 votes for Anthras (Venesara, Demelain)
1 vote for Venesara (Anthras)

[Korvalain]

Current registration list

Path-Shaper, on 29 April 2014 - 05:53 PM, said:

DM-872 | Rupture Internal Organs
Registered


XY-170 | Blood-Induced Matter Transportation
Registered


JW-157 | Shapeshifting
Open


OV-724 | Hallucination
Expired


EZ-674 | Gravity Amplification
Registered


GT-131 | Molecular Reconstitution
Expired


PJ-531 | Spatial Teleportation
Open


GC-817 | Invisibility
Registered


UI-678 | Anti-tank Rifle Materialization
Registered


KN-042 | Stone & Metal Material Absorption
Open


XR-821 | Hormonal Attraction Amplification
Registered


GW-345 | Fog Generation
Registered


DP-391 | Information Absorption
Registered


HW-702 | Possession
Registered


XC-677 | Liquid-Induced Cryokinesis
Open


TZ-959 | Pyrokinesis
Open


GE-978 | Chronokinesis
Open

[Anthras]

I agree that the likely hood that Venesara is scum is very low. As such

Remove Vote

[Demelain]

Anthras, on 07 May 2014 - 02:49 PM, said:

As much as I would like to follow suit and relinquish my contract as Ven has done. I am not going to take that chance. I would rather be lynched.

Three ways to look at this.

--you're scum and know this will prove you're scum

--you're Town and you're holding onto a hugely vital ability

--You're town that picked up a scummy ability withholding the ability from scum but now cannot reveal as this will peg you as scum.


I'm not gonna ask you which category best fits you though it'd be great to get that somehow.

What are your thoughts on low posters?

Path-Shaper, on 07 May 2014 - 04:51 AM, said:

Day 1 timed out without a lynch.

1 votes for Anthras (Ay Estos)
7 votes for Venesara (Ryllandaras, Okaros, Anthras, Tholen, Korbas, Pran Chole, Hanas)
1 vote for Korbas (Venesara)


I'll start resolving night.

On the train I am certain Anthras was pushing Ven, it looks scummy to me but you can never be sure. I need to make my own read of Anthras in total. Anyone else pushing Ven looked legit on first glance. Would rather be sure of Anthras first I think so my vote on him is purely for information at this point.

Missing a vote are:
Myself, Hanas, Hentos Ilm, Karatallid, Kaschan and Korvalain,

Aside from myself whom I am biased about I am suspecting these six hold scum? All save Korvalain are low posters which can not be entirely accepted on face value. This is the best place to look in as the lack of a hammer is telling in my opinion, good that it happened but also a bit suspicious considering. I'll look at the stories offered for absences to see if theres something to chew on there.
Need to read back now and track what players focused on Ven but did not hammer and work from there.

will be around for another 3 hours or so.

[Kaschan]

Catching up, but my lunch is almost over. I'll play seriously when I get home tonight, I promise.

[Anthras]

Demelain, on 07 May 2014 - 04:14 PM, said:

Anthras, on 07 May 2014 - 02:49 PM, said:

As much as I would like to follow suit and relinquish my contract as Ven has done. I am not going to take that chance. I would rather be lynched.

Three ways to look at this.

--you're scum and know this will prove you're scum

--you're Town and you're holding onto a hugely vital ability

--You're town that picked up a scummy ability withholding the ability from scum but now cannot reveal as this will peg you as scum.


I'm not gonna ask you which category best fits you though it'd be great to get that somehow.

What are your thoughts on low posters?

Path-Shaper, on 07 May 2014 - 04:51 AM, said:

Day 1 timed out without a lynch.

1 votes for Anthras (Ay Estos)
7 votes for Venesara (Ryllandaras, Okaros, Anthras, Tholen, Korbas, Pran Chole, Hanas)
1 vote for Korbas (Venesara)


I'll start resolving night.

On the train I am certain Anthras was pushing Ven, it looks scummy to me but you can never be sure. I need to make my own read of Anthras in total. Anyone else pushing Ven looked legit on first glance. Would rather be sure of Anthras first I think so my vote on him is purely for information at this point.

Missing a vote are:
Myself, Hanas, Hentos Ilm, Karatallid, Kaschan and Korvalain,

Aside from myself whom I am biased about I am suspecting these six hold scum? All save Korvalain are low posters which can not be entirely accepted on face value. This is the best place to look in as the lack of a hammer is telling in my opinion, good that it happened but also a bit suspicious considering. I'll look at the stories offered for absences to see if theres something to chew on there.
Need to read back now and track what players focused on Ven but did not hammer and work from there.

will be around for another 3 hours or so.

The low posters I don't really have a read on. I feel that Hanas is around and reading the thread enough to know what is going on but he is barely posting. As I am busy in RL and still able to post this much I wonder about him. The others I don't really have a feel for.

I can tell you that I am not the first choice that you put down at the top of your post. But I would state that regardless of whether I was town or scum. I have already defended anything that I said yesterday and will continue further down that path. I will only this time offer clarification on what I saw and said.

I stated what I saw when someone asked about it. I did not think the contracts being registered from the start was strange and particularly noteworthy. Especially since PS had requested provisional's when she sent out the alts and roles. Thus I didn't think that the people who were posting could have had any correlation to the people who were posting at the beginning of the game. However when Korbas asked if anyone remembered what was taken first. I replied with what I remembered. That however made me scum and lead to the creation of a seperate train from Venesara. Now I did and still do (although less that nobody else has claimed that contract) think that Venesara should have been lynched for

Venesara, on 06 May 2014 - 03:30 PM, said:

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

Whoever has rupture: please, please be a good townie and hold onto that like it's a bottle of Glenfiddich. Never let it go and only open it on a very special occasion.

That is exactly what i would have done, if I was townie and I had received that role. So hopefully a townie did get it and will hold it back.

That is what we call a slip and should lead to someone to be lynched just on the off chance that they are scum. Venesara admitted and agreed with that. When town says something like that the amount of did he mean it could he be scum in later days of a game can lead to focus on that single player. I have seen it before lots of times. Thus my wanting to lynch him. All of which I stated when I pressed for his lynch. All of which I stand by because it is the right way to think in that situation.

[Anthras]

Kaschan, on 07 May 2014 - 04:29 PM, said:

Catching up, but my lunch is almost over. I'll play seriously when I get home tonight, I promise.

I wait with baited breath.

[Korbas]

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 11:59 AM, said:

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

Whoever has rupture: please, please be a good townie and hold onto that like it's a bottle of Glenfiddich. Never let it go and only open it on a very special occasion.

Why would town get to acquire this and what made you so sure, two kills last night said you were wrong and it could have been a signal.

The next vote you do is

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 04:14 PM, said:

Out for a bit. I'm willing to drop a low post pressure vote

Hentos Ilm 2
Anthras 2
Ryllandaras 1
Karatallid 1
Hanas 1
Demelain

Demelain, on 06 May 2014 - 03:39 AM, said:

Morning morning!

Checking in and I'm off again. will be in a few hours later in the day.

Vote Demelain

which means this could again have been a signal to your low posting leader

I'm reading up. Was going to save comments until finished. Scum know each other you idiot. Why would they signal?

[Korbas]

Anthras, on 07 May 2014 - 05:07 PM, said:

Demelain, on 07 May 2014 - 04:14 PM, said:

Anthras, on 07 May 2014 - 02:49 PM, said:

As much as I would like to follow suit and relinquish my contract as Ven has done. I am not going to take that chance. I would rather be lynched.

Three ways to look at this.

--you're scum and know this will prove you're scum

--you're Town and you're holding onto a hugely vital ability

--You're town that picked up a scummy ability withholding the ability from scum but now cannot reveal as this will peg you as scum.


I'm not gonna ask you which category best fits you though it'd be great to get that somehow.

What are your thoughts on low posters?

Path-Shaper, on 07 May 2014 - 04:51 AM, said:

Day 1 timed out without a lynch.

1 votes for Anthras (Ay Estos)
7 votes for Venesara (Ryllandaras, Okaros, Anthras, Tholen, Korbas, Pran Chole, Hanas)
1 vote for Korbas (Venesara)


I'll start resolving night.

On the train I am certain Anthras was pushing Ven, it looks scummy to me but you can never be sure. I need to make my own read of Anthras in total. Anyone else pushing Ven looked legit on first glance. Would rather be sure of Anthras first I think so my vote on him is purely for information at this point.

Missing a vote are:
Myself, Hanas, Hentos Ilm, Karatallid, Kaschan and Korvalain,

Aside from myself whom I am biased about I am suspecting these six hold scum? All save Korvalain are low posters which can not be entirely accepted on face value. This is the best place to look in as the lack of a hammer is telling in my opinion, good that it happened but also a bit suspicious considering. I'll look at the stories offered for absences to see if theres something to chew on there.
Need to read back now and track what players focused on Ven but did not hammer and work from there.

will be around for another 3 hours or so.

The low posters I don't really have a read on. I feel that Hanas is around and reading the thread enough to know what is going on but he is barely posting. As I am busy in RL and still able to post this much I wonder about him. The others I don't really have a feel for.

I can tell you that I am not the first choice that you put down at the top of your post. But I would state that regardless of whether I was town or scum. I have already defended anything that I said yesterday and will continue further down that path. I will only this time offer clarification on what I saw and said.

I stated what I saw when someone asked about it. I did not think the contracts being registered from the start was strange and particularly noteworthy. Especially since PS had requested provisional's when she sent out the alts and roles. Thus I didn't think that the people who were posting could have had any correlation to the people who were posting at the beginning of the game. However when Korbas asked if anyone remembered what was taken first. I replied with what I remembered. That however made me scum and lead to the creation of a seperate train from Venesara. Now I did and still do (although less that nobody else has claimed that contract) think that Venesara should have been lynched for

Venesara, on 06 May 2014 - 03:30 PM, said:

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

Whoever has rupture: please, please be a good townie and hold onto that like it's a bottle of Glenfiddich. Never let it go and only open it on a very special occasion.

That is exactly what i would have done, if I was townie and I had received that role. So hopefully a townie did get it and will hold it back.

That is what we call a slip and should lead to someone to be lynched just on the off chance that they are scum. Venesara admitted and agreed with that. When town says something like that the amount of did he mean it could he be scum in later days of a game can lead to focus on that single player. I have seen it before lots of times. Thus my wanting to lynch him. All of which I stated when I pressed for his lynch. All of which I stand by because it is the right way to think in that situation.

I'm reserving judgement until I hear what a couple of other folks have to say. Tholen mostly. Pran Chol and Hanas as well. Simply because they actually said pertinent things yesterday.

[Korbas]

As for Korvalain's comment ref my reasoning on Venesara.

Venesara, on 06 May 2014 - 03:30 PM, said:

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

Whoever has rupture: please, please be a good townie and hold onto that like it's a bottle of Glenfiddich. Never let it go and only open it on a very special occasion.

That is exactly what i would have done, if I was townie and I had received that role. So hopefully a townie did get it and will hold it back.

That sentence is NOT a scum making a slip. It is so written on purpose. "i would have", "if", "I was townie", "I had received". A slip would be one or two of those. All in the same sentence?

Now, could it be a mistake? Yeah. I can see somebody posting that if they had been doing something else, switched into this game, and posted based on thinking they were somewhere else.

There is one other possibility that I can see for wording that sentence that way. It involves whether we believe Venesara actually had the Stone and Metal Absorption.

[Korbas]

Venesara are you still dead set against discussing game mechanics in general? Because I agree with Okaros on this: this game is all about mechanics and the usual mafia argument of not discussing them because they just help town is meaningless in this game. IMNSHO

[Korbas]

Korvalain, I like your analyses. Where did you disappear to yesterday?