[Korvalain]

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 12:00 PM, said:

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 06:46 PM, said:

Back and I see that a pressure vote popped Demelain out of his realm. So moving up the low post list:

Remove Vote


Vote Karatallid

Then you remove onto Kara. I think one of these could be your leader, if you are symp.

Again, there are no symps.

Path-Shaper, on 29 April 2014 - 05:44 PM, said:

All scum players know each others' identities but cannot communicate off-thread and they always get to make contract requests before town. (Note: there are no symps, but certain contracts could be used to simulate them.)

So why signal? It's starting to look to me like you're trying to frame Korbas/Demelain/Karatallid (who at this point only has 1 post)

Vote Venesara

[Tholen]

Korvalain, on 07 May 2014 - 11:30 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 29 April 2014 - 05:53 PM, said:

XC-677 | Liquid-Induced Cryokinesis
Open
The contractor can freeze liquids at will, including the moisture around another person, immobilizing them.
Ability: You can freeze another player each night. Frozen players are unable to use any night actions for three consecutive nights.
Renumeration: Honesty. You must not lie in the game thread or any off-thread communications.
Relinquish: This contract cannot be relinquished while any other players remain frozen.
Fulfillment: none


TZ-959 | Pyrokinesis
Open
The contractor becomes capable of controlling and spontaneously generating fire. The contractor learns to control the flames and increase their intensity over time by focusing their abilities through song.
Abilities:
--You are automatically immune to Cryokinesis.
--Heat: On any night, can target a player and heat them, remove any lasting Cryokinesis effects upon them.
--Incinerate: Only useable after the contract has been successfully renumerated for four consecutive days. You can target and kill one other player each night. You cannot use Incinerate and Heat on the same night.
Renumeration: Singing. The player must use the title of a song in their posts on five seperate occasions each day. Any song titles can be used, so long as they can be found fairly easily on the internet and are not just single ordinary words. There is no capitalization or other formatting necessary, so you can try to hide them in your posts. You must send a PM to Path-Shaper indicating the posts and song titles each day.
Relinquish: normal
Fulfillment: Once incineration is used for the first time, the contract is fulfilled.


GE-978 | Chronokinesis
Open
The contractor can reverse temporal flow in the surrounding area, rewinding past events in short bursts.
Ability: Each night, you may choose a target player. Any effects applied to that player (healing, freezing, death, etc) on the previous night are retroactively undone (including potentially bringing them back to life).
Renumeration: Aging Backwards. Each time you use this contract's ability you age backwards to an unknown degree. If the current game day plus the number of times you have used this contract's ability is greater than 10, you die.
Relinquish: This contract is relinquished when and only when you successfully use its ability on yourself.
Fulfillment: none

These are the new contracts opened today, all currently available - worth keeping an eye on them in the OP like yesterday.

Path-Shaper, on 29 April 2014 - 05:44 PM, said:

All players can relinquish and register contracts during the day, once each and in that order. Each day, PS will generate an order of all players, and they can relinquish/register requests in that order. Scum always come before town in the order, and amongst both town and scum players who hold no contract at the start of day will come before those who already do. Once players are grouped into those bounds, the rest of the order is determined randomly.

ie:

-scum who have no contract
-remaining scum
-town who have no contract
-remaining town

So same basis, they can be relinquished and claimed in order again - the alt that didn't claim an ability today precedes the rest to claiming theirs - I imagine this being a town alt with a plan for a particular contract because why would scum need to not register one when they're first anyway.

That would been smart when you think about it. Plus if ended up being the lynch, you don't take a contract away from town when die.

[Venesara]

Korvalain, on 07 May 2014 - 12:04 PM, said:

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 12:00 PM, said:

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 06:46 PM, said:

Back and I see that a pressure vote popped Demelain out of his realm. So moving up the low post list:

Remove Vote


Vote Karatallid

Then you remove onto Kara. I think one of these could be your leader, if you are symp.

Again, there are no symps.

Path-Shaper, on 29 April 2014 - 05:44 PM, said:

All scum players know each others' identities but cannot communicate off-thread and they always get to make contract requests before town. (Note: there are no symps, but certain contracts could be used to simulate them.)

So why signal? It's starting to look to me like you're trying to frame Korbas/Demelain/Karatallid (who at this point only has 1 post)

Vote Venesara

Is this you looking into Korbas?

I am not framing, I am wondering for the votes, I am wondering about his play and his motivations.

Easy to drop a vote like that Korvalain but it doesn't show that you are scum hunting.

[Korvalain]

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 12:24 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 07 May 2014 - 12:04 PM, said:

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 12:00 PM, said:

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 06:46 PM, said:

Back and I see that a pressure vote popped Demelain out of his realm. So moving up the low post list:

Remove Vote


Vote Karatallid

Then you remove onto Kara. I think one of these could be your leader, if you are symp.

Again, there are no symps.

Path-Shaper, on 29 April 2014 - 05:44 PM, said:

All scum players know each others' identities but cannot communicate off-thread and they always get to make contract requests before town. (Note: there are no symps, but certain contracts could be used to simulate them.)

So why signal? It's starting to look to me like you're trying to frame Korbas/Demelain/Karatallid (who at this point only has 1 post)

Vote Venesara

Is this you looking into Korbas?

I am not framing, I am wondering for the votes, I am wondering about his play and his motivations.

Easy to drop a vote like that Korvalain but it doesn't show that you are scum hunting.

No, that isn't sorry, my reading up keeps getting broken into. It's for you misunderstanding a basic component of the game.

Give me an hour or three and I'll maybe have something coherent on Korb.

[Anthras]

Venesara you should have been lynched yesterday. The fact that there was resistance to your lynch means that you should be lynched today. The mere fact that you are around generates too much WIFOM. Are you still here because scum stayed off of your train? Are you still here because scum wanted to keep you here to keep the focus on you? When someone messes up and doesn't refer to themselves as town they should be lynched. I have noticed that since your slip you have made sure to call your self town multiple times. Yes I am a potential lynch target and I am fine with that. But I am not generating as much WIFOM as you your failed train is.



Vote Venesara

[Venesara]

Anthras, on 07 May 2014 - 12:32 PM, said:

Venesara you should have been lynched yesterday. The fact that there was resistance to your lynch means that you should be lynched today. The mere fact that you are around generates too much WIFOM. Are you still here because scum stayed off of your train? Are you still here because scum wanted to keep you here to keep the focus on you? When someone messes up and doesn't refer to themselves as town they should be lynched. I have noticed that since your slip you have made sure to call your self town multiple times. Yes I am a potential lynch target and I am fine with that. But I am not generating as much WIFOM as you your failed train is.



Vote Venesara

I see your logic, and you have tunnel vision, we lost two townies yesterday. Rather than going down the safe path and voting the same way as you did day one, without much comment on the game elsewhere, why don't you give us a list of your other suspects and how you find their play?

By all means keep your vote on me, I cannot refute the fact that I wasn't lynched and that another train built up but was rapidly demolished. I can however see your approach as lazy and against town. If you think I am scum, fine. I will not come up as scum, so then what? Town would prefer you to give your thoughts on other players.

[Venesara]

Possible strategy for day 2, everyone votes me until I am at L1 or 2. That way you know you are going to have the votes to lynch me if needed. Then we all discuss who we actually find scummy. There is no point giving people a free ride on day 2 just to lynch the guy who wasn't lynched day 2. We are going to have waaay more information today than yesterday.

[Venesara]

I don't want to get to a stage later in the day that means the inevitable is going to happen because none of you can be arsed to stick your necks out and actually play the game. Reveals may happen sooner than later but we may not be able to guarantee that. Say we aren't allowed to reveal until after the 18 hours has passed. That doesn't leave a long time for us to get our shit together and actually scum find.

[Path-Shaper]

Contract List Updated

[Kaschan]

Shit, I passed out yesterday and so wasn't around to lynch, My bad.

[Venesara]

I have relinquished my role, so therefore I am able to reveal it.

Quote

Reveals - Since all contracts are posted and updated publicly, you may not reveal or discuss your current contract, nor the results of the abilities it gave you. You may, however, reveal and discuss freely any prior contracts you have held. You are allowed to reveal anything you like in lover conversations, and you may reveal on-thread anything told to you by a lover.

Furthermore, you may not reveal your registration order on-thread.

Stone and Material absorption.

I had this and therefore could not kill.

[Venesara]

Kaschan, on 07 May 2014 - 01:44 PM, said:

Shit, I passed out yesterday and so wasn't around to lynch, My bad.

Worst excuse yet.

[Anthras]

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

I have relinquished my role, so therefore I am able to reveal it.

Quote

Reveals - Since all contracts are posted and updated publicly, you may not reveal or discuss your current contract, nor the results of the abilities it gave you. You may, however, reveal and discuss freely any prior contracts you have held. You are allowed to reveal anything you like in lover conversations, and you may reveal on-thread anything told to you by a lover.

Furthermore, you may not reveal your registration order on-thread.

Stone and Material absorption.

I had this and therefore could not kill.

This was also dropped this morning

PJ-531 | Spatial Teleportation

[Korvalain]

Okay, skim through of Korbas:

(some quotes removed to avoid spreading this over 20 posts)

Korbas, on 05 May 2014 - 09:06 PM, said:

Unless we're willing to assume 6 scum, that means we can get Rupture Internal Organs and keep it out of scum hands. And, with Hallucination, we can PI the holder? Possession being the wild card. I've updated my list.

Good solid town thinking, catching something that no-one else at this point had noticed and more importantly getting it in quotes to keep the changes frozen at that time.

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 04:58 AM, said:

3 more contracts registered.

GT-131 | Molecular Reconstitution
Registered

GC-817 | Invisibility
Registered


DP-391 | Information Absorption
Registered

More of the same, no indication if they were all the same edit or not - ie if they were all put in together or in multiple edits. Probably just down to checking back occasionally rather than spamming F5.

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 02:30 PM, said:

Are you being purposely dense Okaros? Hallucination: Renumeration: Revealing Secrets. You must divulge on-thread (clearly) the result of any successful night action.

Looking at ways that town can play the roles to our advantage

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 02:46 PM, said:

There is no conflict between those. The holder of hallucination has to say on thread that X has contract A. They don't get to explain that they know that because they hold hallucination. (Unless of course they have relinquished it earlier in the day.)

Discussion around the mechanics (of what will certainly be a role held by town)

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 02:56 PM, said:

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 02:36 PM, said:

<snip>

I agree with Tholen on this subject. We know with as much certainty as is possible that scum are today the holders of 5 contracts. Maybe.

Clarification: we know that the scum are amongst the holders of those 5 contracts. Unless we're willing to assume more than 5 scum in which case all 5 of those are scum. The maybe is because I had a thought and PMed PS a question. Waiting on the answer to that question.

Further working around narrowing down those 5 roles to scum

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 03:07 PM, said:

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 02:53 PM, said:

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 02:46 PM, said:

There is no conflict between those. The holder of hallucination has to say on thread that X has contract A. They don't get to explain that they know that because they hold hallucination. (Unless of course they have relinquished it earlier in the day.)

You've got that backwards, they have to admit to having the Hallucination contract BEFORE relinquishing it.

Anyway, it's besides the point, and has nothing to do with the argument I was having with Korvalain on the subject. Korvalain was implying that the person who has Hallucination could PI someone based on whatever contract someone has (at the time he was using the Rupture Internal Organs contract as his example given it's not likely that a member of scum has it given it wasn't picked up until the end of the Day 1 registration period). This would not be possible given no one is allowed to reveal what contract they hold EXCEPT the person with the Hallucination contract. Then Korvalain said that people can reveal contracts they USED to hold. But that made absolutely no sense, given Hallucination only tells the holder what contract someone currently holds. Korvalain was full of shit, and was trying to make it seem like I was being purposely dense. That was the point I was making. Korvalain's 'plan' made absolutely NO sense.

Now, is that CLEAR to everyone? Any other stupid fucking questions?

Hmm. That clears that up. Why is the sky blue?

Seriously though, I was focusing on the wrong part of your discussion with Korv. Let me re-enter that fray.

The holder of Hallucination has to divulge the successful results of their find. If that result is NOT one of the first 5 registered, then hallucination has found a town*. Further, by revealing that they hold hallucination they can claim town status themselves. (It's not in the FAQ but I asked PS if they had to relinquish once they revealed. She replied that they did not.)

*Spatial Teleportation and Possession could fuck with that result.

Displaying further understanding of abilities that town *do* hold today and how they could fit together to disrupt knowledge gain

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

Whoever has rupture: please, please be a good townie and hold onto that like it's a bottle of Glenfiddich. Never let it go and only open it on a very special occasion.

Sound town play - how often have Vigs blown their load too early. This strikes me as just a reminder that it is a delayed vig and to think about who you use it on. Or, hell, not to use it and just keep it till death to deny scum the potential for picking up the killing ability later

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 03:25 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 06 May 2014 - 03:07 PM, said:

Because Iwas forgetting the reveal details for a time - having forgotten that, two players could PI themsevles. One claims RIO, the other Hallucination. Hallucination alt verifies other alt has RIO, by proving the RIO they PI the RIO holder and by extension themself for having Hallucination in the first place. If someone else has Hallucination they pipe up calling bullshit on the pair. That was my original plan.

That could be a plan. But it's risky both to the holders of the contracts and to town in general thanks to possession and spatial. Use rupture tonight. Immediately drop a vote on the target as soon as day starts. The target who has been told they are sick, calls for a heal. Night 2, Hallucination targets the person who dropped that first vote. If it comes back as rupture, then Hallucinate and Rupture are CI.

Again sound strategy and points out the risks.

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 03:50 PM, said:

Venesara, on 06 May 2014 - 03:30 PM, said:

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 03:14 PM, said:

Whoever has rupture: please, please be a good townie and hold onto that like it's a bottle of Glenfiddich. Never let it go and only open it on a very special occasion.

That is exactly what i would have done, if I was townie and I had received that role. So hopefully a townie did get it and will hold it back.

Interesting choice of wording in that sentence.

The first to pick up on Vens slip

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 04:14 PM, said:

Out for a bit. I'm willing to drop a low post pressure vote

Hentos Ilm 2
Anthras 2
Ryllandaras 1
Karatallid 1
Hanas 1
Demelain

Demelain, on 06 May 2014 - 03:39 AM, said:

Morning morning!

Checking in and I'm off again. will be in a few hours later in the day.

Vote Demelain

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 06:46 PM, said:

Back and I see that a pressure vote popped Demelain out of his realm. So moving up the low post list:

Remove Vote


Vote Karatallid

All for applying pressure to low posters. My issue here is that it hasn't been followed up with for instance Hentos, could be down to time or could be wanting someone else to step up and play too

[Korvalain]

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 07:02 PM, said:

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 06:55 PM, said:

Hanas, on 06 May 2014 - 06:47 PM, said:

Okaros, since you felt compelled to speak up, be compelled to reply in your defense of Ay as well.

I'm busy having a closer look at Venesara. When I'm done with that, I'll definitely give you my $0.02 about why you're so wrong it hurts. I'll leave you with this nugget of wisdom though: I don't see why you're fighting it so much, all the argument really does is show that you're PI.

Okaros has a point. If you're arguing against the logic itself that's one thing. But you seem to be rather defensive. Which is very odd considering that you could just sit back and stay PI as registrant #9.

Fair point again demonstrating understanding of game mechanics.

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 07:27 PM, said:

Ay Estos, on 06 May 2014 - 07:18 PM, said:

Ay Estos, on 06 May 2014 - 07:14 PM, said:

snip

There is no reason for him to be upset at being called a PI, so there must be a better reason than THAT for this kind of reaction, maybe the phrashing just rubbed him the wrong way. He can't even be a SK because even if there is one, they were put in random order with the scum.

We may want to look at who else MIGHT have missed registering, though to be honest I can't easily imagine a scenario where someone checks in but volunteers to stay as a RI, especially as #9 in the list, plenty of good stuff still there.

Fixed in red, not going to edit something like that out, but this should avoid some the grr grr finger pointing grr grr mispeaking is punishable by death grr grr

You really think so?? I shall now go back to re-read you.
.

Ay we now know is town therefore we can be sure it is not a SK slipping up.

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 08:05 PM, said:

Anthras, on 06 May 2014 - 05:10 PM, said:

Yes I am here and getting caught up. I think that the first contract that was gone when I first posted was the antitank rifle materialization. I am very busy in RL and don't know how much I will be able to post today. I would be willing to vote for Venesara based on the if I was town slip. Unless something else come up before my RL day ends I will most likely be dropping a vote there.

Anthras are you saying that when you posted there was only one contract showing as registered or that you noticed that it was registered and others might have been but you didn't notice?

Again seeking to understand what has happened to narrow down the suspect pool. I think the only real omission from understanding from Korb at this point is that submissions could have been made from the moment the PMs went out.

Quote

Readup on Ven

Quote

Readup on Anthras

Goes and looks at two alts, pretty solid read through and I haven't spotted any major omissions from either.

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 08:52 PM, said:

Anthras, on 06 May 2014 - 08:38 PM, said:

I disagree. A low poster can come on and post. Leaving Venesara alive past today will create WIFOM and that is only useful for scum.

And this would be why I'm not willing to vote Venessara just yet.


I posted the registered contracts when I saw that some had been handed out. Because I had assumed that they wouldn't be given until hour 18 and thought that pointing out that some were already handed out was very important information.

Why would you not point that out???

Most dubious post to my mind - not willing to vote for Ven *because* it will create WIFOM? Wat? Remainder of the points are fine.

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 09:07 PM, said:

Okaros, on 06 May 2014 - 08:56 PM, said:

I don't understand the point you're trying to make here...

I want to know why Anthras didn't feel that letting others know that contracts were being handed out was important. He remembers thinking it was funny that it wasn't one of the top two. So he can't say that he didn't think about it at all.

@ everyone else: would you not have commented on it? If I'm just imagining import where there is none, tell me before I waste more time on it.

Agreed that there is a point here - however this is obscured by the thought that anyone who noticed it probably thought everyone was noticing it and that only Korb has the presence of mind to note it for thread.

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 09:38 PM, said:

Anthras, on 06 May 2014 - 09:30 PM, said:

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 09:22 PM, said:

Remove Vote


Vote Anthras

Attempting to derail a fellow scums lynch train while using faulty logic.

Check

I'm not fond of the train on Venesara. I think it's thinly based day 1.

Doesn't say anything until I say that I am leaving for the day. Panic scum behavior
Check

Didn't say anything because you hadn't answered my query until half an hour ago.

Assumes that ps is going to do things that ps doesn't say they will. Such as do all contracts at the end of 18 hours. It does not say that in the op.
Making things up to fit a narrative.
Check

I'm not the only one who assumed that.

Panic posting as a train is starting on someone.
Check

Nothing panicky in my posting. I went through Venesara because the train was forming. I went through you for the stated reason.

I feel just fine with my vote and now I have my eye on you.

Very well. But I'm quite comfortable with my vote for the moment.

Comfortable with it and has looked into the alt so fair play.

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 09:46 PM, said:

Anthras, on 06 May 2014 - 09:36 PM, said:

Oh and korbas look at the time between my first posts. There were all of 4 people on when I got on and one of the contracts where taken. Why would I assume that was weird when none of the other posters did. It is a high tmdi game there is a lot of stuff I just take as ps says.

Oh, I fully understand that I'm using 20-20 hindsight. It's not the time before you posted that bothers me. It's the empty 16 minutes after you posted. By the same logic that was used to argue that Hanas was #9, somewhere in those 16 minutes registrant #2 submitted their list.

You posted at 2:40. PS updated the contract post at 2:56 to show 5 contracts registered. (There might even have been an intermediate post that showed only 3 contracts, which would mean that the one I saw was done after registrant #4 submitted. The edit line only shows the last edit, not intervening ones.)

Hell, Anthras, I'll even give you your best defense: Even if you had slipped when you first mentioned the one contract gone, you'd have been a complete idiot to answer my query the way you did. Verifying that it was just the one gone.

But slips happen. And I think you did.

Further leanings towards Anthras and some potentially very valid time analysis.

Korbas, on 06 May 2014 - 10:05 PM, said:

I'm willing to vote Vensara if that's what we've got. But I think he's town. Because of the emo shit later but also because that post is overtly worded so as to imply the author isn't town.

Both my opinions on those two are shaky. And gut. But I'm sticking with both for now.

Sees the failings of Day 1 cases but the best we have and is willing to change

[Hentos Ilm]

Meh. I am finally here, but my workday is crazy and my spare time will be equally so. I'm stuck at page 3 for half the afternoon and I don't see it getting better in the next hour.
I fear I will have to postpone involvement until my workday tomorrow.

[Korvalain]

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

I have relinquished my role, so therefore I am able to reveal it.

Quote

Reveals - Since all contracts are posted and updated publicly, you may not reveal or discuss your current contract, nor the results of the abilities it gave you. You may, however, reveal and discuss freely any prior contracts you have held. You are allowed to reveal anything you like in lover conversations, and you may reveal on-thread anything told to you by a lover.

Furthermore, you may not reveal your registration order on-thread.

Stone and Material absorption.

I had this and therefore could not kill.

Nice call. Was the BP used? I doubt it given you were flavour of the lynch but worth checking.

The no NA tonight makes you a safe bet should we need to deposit an ability out of harms way - RIO for instance or should scum release a killing role for one of the new ones

[Korvalain]

Damn, my 3rd post on Korb has gotten lost somewhere. Wasn't a huge amount in it but my final conclusions were:

Korb is one of

- town playing a good game and understanding the game well

- scum playing a good townie and setting up candidates for lynching/WIFOM whilst providing enough solidity to their reasoning to have most players who look back at them edging them towards PI

I leant towards the first, not quite sure where I stand now Ven has pretty much VPI's themselves. Dammit Ven, you had to post that whilst I was typing

[Korvalain]

Oh and

Remove Vote

[Venesara]

Anthras, on 07 May 2014 - 01:49 PM, said:

Venesara, on 07 May 2014 - 01:46 PM, said:

I have relinquished my role, so therefore I am able to reveal it.

Quote

Reveals - Since all contracts are posted and updated publicly, you may not reveal or discuss your current contract, nor the results of the abilities it gave you. You may, however, reveal and discuss freely any prior contracts you have held. You are allowed to reveal anything you like in lover conversations, and you may reveal on-thread anything told to you by a lover.

Furthermore, you may not reveal your registration order on-thread.

Stone and Material absorption.

I had this and therefore could not kill.

This was also dropped this morning

PJ-531 | Spatial Teleportation

Not by me, but at least now people can stop trying to jump on me and start trying to find the real scum