[Karatallid]

Korbas, on 16 May 2014 - 10:46 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 16 May 2014 - 06:53 AM, said:

<snip>
and technically, the AT might be empty following it's third use, rendering it completely unusable as a weapon.
<snip>

PS stated yesterday that it would say 'fulfilled' on the contract update page. Therefore it' still got one shot left.

Indeed, and one only. Thus the logic holds that the SK is fucked once that use is gone, as two nights later they fail their Remuneration for SCM, OR they have to take RIO, and in doing so have to vote for a Town before they can complete their Remuneration, thus highlighting them on-thread.

[Korbas]

Karatallid said:

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Korbas said:

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Damn Kara. Being at death's door seems to have helped you find your keyboard.

Being on the verge of Town winning/losing the game, and the fact that for fuck's sake I couldn't post at all yesterday due to technical issues, actually.

However, the fundamentals of the situation are thus:

The SK (which you are all accusing me of being) is tonight incapable of using any abilities due to firing the AT last night.

If the SK cannot get a successful target of Consume on a player who dies once every two nights, they lose.

Therefore, the SK has a limited number of nights for which they can play.

In order for them to win, they either require NKs or Possession. However, they have only one more NK that they can use without giving themselves away (provided Town agrees not to vote each other - thus forcing a highlighting of the SK if they do ANY voting). This means that, given no further lynches, the SK CANNOT win the game. They either get highlighted and lose the game by lynch, or they fail their Remuneration for RIO and die.

Literally, the SK is fucked with current numbers, as long as we don't lynch today, and all Town refrain from voting anything but Night (in the event a Possessed is forced into Modkill), or otherwise refraining from voting at all (as the SK having Possession is thus rendered useless).

We cannot lose under these circumstances, what's not to like?

So you're telling us to vote night. Two days in a row.

[Karatallid]

Korbas, on 16 May 2014 - 10:49 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 16 May 2014 - 10:46 AM, said:

Korbas, on 16 May 2014 - 10:37 AM, said:

Damn Kara. Being at death's door seems to have helped you find your keyboard.

Being on the verge of Town winning/losing the game, and the fact that for fuck's sake I couldn't post at all yesterday due to technical issues, actually.

However, the fundamentals of the situation are thus:

The SK (which you are all accusing me of being) is tonight incapable of using any abilities due to firing the AT last night.

If the SK cannot get a successful target of Consume on a player who dies once every two nights, they lose.

Therefore, the SK has a limited number of nights for which they can play.

In order for them to win, they either require NKs or Possession. However, they have only one more NK that they can use without giving themselves away (provided Town agrees not to vote each other - thus forcing a highlighting of the SK if they do ANY voting). This means that, given no further lynches, the SK CANNOT win the game. They either get highlighted and lose the game by lynch, or they fail their Remuneration for RIO and die.

Literally, the SK is fucked with current numbers, as long as we don't lynch today, and all Town refrain from voting anything but Night (in the event a Possessed is forced into Modkill), or otherwise refraining from voting at all (as the SK having Possession is thus rendered useless).

We cannot lose under these circumstances, what's not to like?

So you're telling us to vote night. Two days in a row.

Technically, I'm suggesting that we let day time out. No-one is Possessed today, there is no reason to vote.

Tomorrow, if someone is Possessed and looks like they are going to be modkilled, yes, we vote night. (Of course, if it's the SK who has Possession, they cannot do this tomorrow, right?)

Otherwise it's the following day, if someone is Possessed.


Literally, the SK cannot win if we do not lynch, as they do not have the NKs to take out Town sufficient for them to win. IF they do use the other NK ability, WE CAN INSTANTLY SPOT THEM.

The only thing we have to be careful of is a Possessed being forced to vote Town (again IF the SK is the one with Possession) but that should be easy to spot.

[Korbas]

The only way possession can be used tonight is if it's relinquished and somebody else uses it.

[Karatallid]

Korbas, on 16 May 2014 - 10:52 AM, said:

The only way possession can be used tonight is if it's relinquished and somebody else uses it.

On what basis?

You were Possessed yesterday, so Possession is refreshed tonight. IF the SK holds Possession, no they cannot use it because of AT. Right?

[Karatallid]

Again, though, the specifics of the days are kind of irrelevant.

1. We let the SK's Remuneration kill them.
2. In trying to fulfil their SCM Remuneration, the Remuneration of the Contract they have to take to do that, RIO, lights them up for Town to lynch.

It's literally impossible for Town to lose under these circumstances!

[Pran Chole]

Karatallid, on 16 May 2014 - 10:53 AM, said:

Korbas, on 16 May 2014 - 10:52 AM, said:

The only way possession can be used tonight is if it's relinquished and somebody else uses it.

On what basis?

You were Possessed yesterday, so Possession is refreshed tonight. IF the SK holds Possession, no they cannot use it because of AT. Right?

Yeah, Karat is right on this count.

[Korbas]

Karatallid said:

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Korbas said:

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Karatallid said:

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Korbas said:

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Damn Kara. Being at death's door seems to have helped you find your keyboard.

Being on the verge of Town winning/losing the game, and the fact that for fuck's sake I couldn't post at all yesterday due to technical issues, actually.

However, the fundamentals of the situation are thus:

The SK (which you are all accusing me of being) is tonight incapable of using any abilities due to firing the AT last night.

If the SK cannot get a successful target of Consume on a player who dies once every two nights, they lose.

Therefore, the SK has a limited number of nights for which they can play.

In order for them to win, they either require NKs or Possession. However, they have only one more NK that they can use without giving themselves away (provided Town agrees not to vote each other - thus forcing a highlighting of the SK if they do ANY voting). This means that, given no further lynches, the SK CANNOT win the game. They either get highlighted and lose the game by lynch, or they fail their Remuneration for RIO and die.

Literally, the SK is fucked with current numbers, as long as we don't lynch today, and all Town refrain from voting anything but Night (in the event a Possessed is forced into Modkill), or otherwise refraining from voting at all (as the SK having Possession is thus rendered useless).

We cannot lose under these circumstances, what's not to like?

So you're telling us to vote night. Two days in a row.

Technically, I'm suggesting that we let day time out. No-one is Possessed today, there is no reason to vote.

Tomorrow, if someone is Possessed and looks like they are going to be modkilled, yes, we vote night. (Of course, if it's the SK who has Possession, they cannot do this tomorrow, right?)

Otherwise it's the following day, if someone is Possessed.


Literally, the SK cannot win if we do not lynch, as they do not have the NKs to take out Town sufficient for them to win. IF they do use the other NK ability, WE CAN INSTANTLY SPOT THEM.

The only thing we have to be careful of is a Possessed being forced to vote Town (again IF the SK is the one with Possession) but that should be easy to spot.

No. If we do what you suggest, AntiTank can be used tomorrow night. SK doesn't need to bother with RIO.

[Karatallid]

Korbas, on 16 May 2014 - 10:56 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 16 May 2014 - 10:52 AM, said:

Korbas, on 16 May 2014 - 10:49 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 16 May 2014 - 10:46 AM, said:

Korbas, on 16 May 2014 - 10:37 AM, said:

Damn Kara. Being at death's door seems to have helped you find your keyboard.

Being on the verge of Town winning/losing the game, and the fact that for fuck's sake I couldn't post at all yesterday due to technical issues, actually.

However, the fundamentals of the situation are thus:

The SK (which you are all accusing me of being) is tonight incapable of using any abilities due to firing the AT last night.

If the SK cannot get a successful target of Consume on a player who dies once every two nights, they lose.

Therefore, the SK has a limited number of nights for which they can play.

In order for them to win, they either require NKs or Possession. However, they have only one more NK that they can use without giving themselves away (provided Town agrees not to vote each other - thus forcing a highlighting of the SK if they do ANY voting). This means that, given no further lynches, the SK CANNOT win the game. They either get highlighted and lose the game by lynch, or they fail their Remuneration for RIO and die.

Literally, the SK is fucked with current numbers, as long as we don't lynch today, and all Town refrain from voting anything but Night (in the event a Possessed is forced into Modkill), or otherwise refraining from voting at all (as the SK having Possession is thus rendered useless).

We cannot lose under these circumstances, what's not to like?

So you're telling us to vote night. Two days in a row.

Technically, I'm suggesting that we let day time out. No-one is Possessed today, there is no reason to vote.

Tomorrow, if someone is Possessed and looks like they are going to be modkilled, yes, we vote night. (Of course, if it's the SK who has Possession, they cannot do this tomorrow, right?)

Otherwise it's the following day, if someone is Possessed.


Literally, the SK cannot win if we do not lynch, as they do not have the NKs to take out Town sufficient for them to win. IF they do use the other NK ability, WE CAN INSTANTLY SPOT THEM.

The only thing we have to be careful of is a Possessed being forced to vote Town (again IF the SK is the one with Possession) but that should be easy to spot.

No. If we do what you suggest, AntiTank can be used tomorrow night. SK doesn't need to bother with RIO.

And THEN?


Dude, there is no time limit on this game! Once the last AT is gone, THEY ARE FUCKED.

[Pran Chole]

Karatallid, on 16 May 2014 - 10:18 AM, said:

Pran Chole, on 16 May 2014 - 09:31 AM, said:

No no , my original point is right. If the AT was used, no one can be possessed tomorrow. So it's 3 vs 1.

See, if the AT can be used tonight (which it may be able to as per speculation above) then there can also be a Possession tomorrow - in which case, we lose!

Even if the Possession cannot be used tonight (for the SK) then there is still no reason to lynch as tonight Possession can be used by Town if held by a Townie to do a soft Find, OR we go into tomorrow with the SAME NUMBERS as we have today. Remember, we don't need to lynch the bloody SK - they are out of NK options once they use up the AT. (As the day-wide turnaround with no ability use + two days to RIO someone while voting for that person (in nice big bold font on the thread with all of Town agreeing to only vote night means they cannot use that ability to complete their Consumption remuneration!)

One thing I'm curious about, re: the underlined and the contract below. They can "hold" more two or more contracts. Does that mean they can USE all of them in one night?

Quote

VM-460 | Spectral Contract Manipulation
Registered
A mysterious contract, the mechanisms of which are unfathomable.
Ability:
--Tyranny: The contractor immediately becomes capable of holding two more contracts in addition to this one.
--Consume: Each night, you may choose another player - if they die you learn what contract they hold (if any) and you may substitute it for one of yours (but not this one).
Renumeration: Drinking the Blood of Children. You become an independent player, with the victory conditions of eliminating all other players. You will CF and be found as "[S]He who Drinks the Blood of Children". You must successfully target someone with Consume at least once every two nights, or else you will die instead (you do not need to exchange contracts, just succeed in choosing a player that dies).
Relinquish: This contract cannot be relinquished by any means, including by actions of other players.
Fulfillment: none

[Karatallid]

Pran Chole, on 16 May 2014 - 10:57 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 16 May 2014 - 10:18 AM, said:

Pran Chole, on 16 May 2014 - 09:31 AM, said:

No no , my original point is right. If the AT was used, no one can be possessed tomorrow. So it's 3 vs 1.

See, if the AT can be used tonight (which it may be able to as per speculation above) then there can also be a Possession tomorrow - in which case, we lose!

Even if the Possession cannot be used tonight (for the SK) then there is still no reason to lynch as tonight Possession can be used by Town if held by a Townie to do a soft Find, OR we go into tomorrow with the SAME NUMBERS as we have today. Remember, we don't need to lynch the bloody SK - they are out of NK options once they use up the AT. (As the day-wide turnaround with no ability use + two days to RIO someone while voting for that person (in nice big bold font on the thread with all of Town agreeing to only vote night means they cannot use that ability to complete their Consumption remuneration!)

One thing I'm curious about, re: the underlined and the contract below. They can "hold" more two or more contracts. Does that mean they can USE all of them in one night?

Quote

VM-460 | Spectral Contract Manipulation
Registered
A mysterious contract, the mechanisms of which are unfathomable.
Ability:
--Tyranny: The contractor immediately becomes capable of holding two more contracts in addition to this one.
--Consume: Each night, you may choose another player - if they die you learn what contract they hold (if any) and you may substitute it for one of yours (but not this one).
Renumeration: Drinking the Blood of Children. You become an independent player, with the victory conditions of eliminating all other players. You will CF and be found as "[S]He who Drinks the Blood of Children". You must successfully target someone with Consume at least once every two nights, or else you will die instead (you do not need to exchange contracts, just succeed in choosing a player that dies).
Relinquish: This contract cannot be relinquished by any means, including by actions of other players.
Fulfillment: none

Considering PS said they could Relinquish/Register more than one in a single phase (overwriting regular rules), then I would assume so. WCS says yes. Unless PS clarifies otherwise.

If they can only use one at a time, they are even MORE fucked.

[Korbas]

Pran Chole said:

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Karatallid said:

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Korbas said:

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The only way possession can be used tonight is if it's relinquished and somebody else uses it.

On what basis?

You were Possessed yesterday, so Possession is refreshed tonight. IF the SK holds Possession, no they cannot use it because of AT. Right?

Yeah, Karat is right on this count.

Ok. Yeah he is. Got lost in 'tonight', gameday vs RL vs RL time zones.

[Pran Chole]

You know what, I think Karat is right. We don't lynch. We lose one person to AT tonight or tomorrow. 4 vs 1. The other killing power forces them to vote, and if NO ONE ELSE IS VOTING they will become obvious. And we now know that D'rek won't modkill us outright if we are possessed and held from posting.

edit: change lost to lose

This post has been edited by Pran Chole: 16 May 2014 - 11:02 AM

[Korbas]

How much time is left?

[Karatallid]

Korbas, on 16 May 2014 - 11:01 AM, said:

How much time is left?

Fifteen-ish hours, I think?

[Karatallid]

Pran Chole, on 16 May 2014 - 11:01 AM, said:

You know what, I think Karat is right. We don't lynch. We lose one person to AT tonight or tomorrow. 4 vs 1. The other killing power forces them to vote, and if NO ONE ELSE IS VOTING they will become obvious. And we now know that D'rek won't modkill us outright if we are possessed and held from posting.

edit: change lost to lose

The ONE thing to be careful of, is that if the SK does have/get Possession, they could make someone else vote Town. But that's easy - just need to wait it out rather than jumping on someone straight away. Eventually the SK has to vote.

But that's only IF the SK gets/has Possession.

We can prove that tomorrow, also, if someone is Possessed.

[Korbas]

Kara, you keep implying that the SK doesn't have the possession because you have it.

If you want me to trust a single word that you say convince me that it was you who possessed me. I've already said up thread that Okaros was making a mistake in assuming that the SK had possession.

[Korbas]

Korbas, on 16 May 2014 - 11:10 AM, said:

Kara, you keep implying that the SK doesn't have the possession because you have it.

If you want me to trust a single word that you say convince me that it was you who possessed me. I've already said up thread that Okaros was making a mistake in assuming that the SK had possession.

Clarify: I said that it was wrong to make that assumption because there was no direct evidence that he had it.

That was back when he was bitching at me for 'rehashing' things.

[Pran Chole]

No, we can't do that

[Korbas]

Pran Chole, on 16 May 2014 - 11:12 AM, said:

No, we can't do that

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