[Okaros]

Ryllandaras, on 16 May 2014 - 05:17 AM, said:

Ok, i see list has been updated now, Pyro is back open.

I picked it up yesterday, used it last night to unfreeze myself, and now dropped it again. Does that answer your question Okaros? I think you were just confusing yourself.

Anyway, I'm not going to make any judgements now as I've had too much to drink, so adieu till the morrow.

You're right, I was mixed up in my Days. Sorry. I was very tired today.

[Okaros]

Given I was mistaken, I'm gonna go back to my original lynch vote.

remove vote
vote Karatallid


I think that he has only done what he can to make someone's (anyone's) case that wasn't against him work.

[Karatallid]

Okaros, on 16 May 2014 - 06:22 AM, said:

Given I was mistaken, I'm gonna go back to my original lynch vote.

remove vote
vote Karatallid


I think that he has only done what he can to make someone's (anyone's) case that wasn't against him work.

Uhm...what?

You must still be tired. Considering I haven't really had much input on other cases, as I've been rather busy trying to disabuse people of the notion that I am nebulously scummy for not being able to log on to the forums for most of a day, and there is no actual evidence that I am the SK.

Anyway, mark my words - Korbas is CI. Remember this when you get my CF.

Okaros has been playing very strangely and considering he's the obvious choice, I'm surprised he's just cruising along - catching a fake Ryll 'slip', as if trying to look like he's still looking for the SK, when really he's just happy to go along with any lynch other than himself, huh?



Also, what do you think of my "claim you have the SCM contract" idea, Okaros? Care to give it a try?


And why hasn't anyone picked up Guard? I know I relinquished it, but for the love of god, it's a useful town ability for SOMEONE to have. Or Spatial. Talk about playing things like RI, y'all aren't taking advantage of the Contracts in a game based around them. *sigh*

[Karatallid]

Come to think of it, if the SK can't kill tonight (due to AT rules) why are we lynching?

We can delay d-day by a whole extra cycle if we don't lynch today. More info tonight, town is safe, we carry on from there. This is especially the case where we KNOW the AT can't be used tonight. Not only that, but the SK can't take ANY action tonight, right? The AT blocks all actions.


So you guys thinking that the SK has Possession...that can be disproved if someone is Possessed tomorrow. Meanwhile, the SK can't even kill anyone (even if they pick up RIO and target someone with it who got hit another night, they can't take any action tonight) - and technically, the AT might be empty following it's third use, rendering it completely unusable as a weapon. If this is the case, the SK is screwed the following night ANYWAY - as they presumably targetted Hentos last night, gaining their Consume req. - but they cannot act tonight and if the AT is empty...they would need two consecutive nights of RIO to take out someone else, no?

Ergo, 1. not voting is best 2. SK almost can't win the game at this point. Unless they get Possession - but you're all "safe" from that if they have it tonight, due to AT. And in order to get it off Town, they'd have to target the player who does have it, AND kill them, which should almost be impossible over the next three nights even!

Boom. Game solved.

[Okaros]

I think you're really stretching. There's no way I can be the one who picked up SCM. Ryll was frozen while he and I were still in a separate group from everyone else. The ONLY person who could have frozen him is myself. This happened the Night before the Day that the SCM contract was picked up. Because Ryll was frozen, there is absolutely no way that I could have relinquished Cryo to pick up SCM. I think if you're going to try to make a case, you should try harder than OMGUSing.

[Karatallid]

*I should point out, even if they can use AT tonight, that will pretty much fill its uses up and block the SK the following night. Additionally, even if they get Possession, with current numbers two votes are insufficient as Town has a block of 3 v 2 - if that number drops, Town can just vote night to prevent the modkill timer killing the Possessed players, and further blocking Night Actions by the SK (i.e. as long as the SK is Possessing, they get no RIO).

The SK still has to Consume successfully every second night.

[Karatallid]

Okaros, on 16 May 2014 - 07:10 AM, said:

I think you're really stretching. There's no way I can be the one who picked up SCM. Ryll was frozen while he and I were still in a separate group from everyone else. The ONLY person who could have frozen him is myself. This happened the Night before the Day that the SCM contract was picked up. Because Ryll was frozen, there is absolutely no way that I could have relinquished Cryo to pick up SCM. I think if you're going to try to make a case, you should try harder than OMGUSing.

*shrug* frankly, I haven't voted for you because of the Freeze circumstances. But considering you guys have no case against me, I can hardly take an accusation of OMGUS seriously - especially without a vote on the end.

We also can't be sure that you couldn't pick up SCM while holding Cryo. It's a stretch of the mechanics, but it's technically possible depending on how D'rek works the "slots" thing mentioned by PS upthread. My point is that we're relying on a lot of roundabout claims and assumptions.


But that doesn't really matter now. See my posts where I win the game for Town above.

[Pran Chole]

Karatallid, on 16 May 2014 - 06:53 AM, said:

Come to think of it, if the SK can't kill tonight (due to AT rules) why are we lynching?

We can delay d-day by a whole extra cycle if we don't lynch today. More info tonight, town is safe, we carry on from there. This is especially the case where we KNOW the AT can't be used tonight. Not only that, but the SK can't take ANY action tonight, right? The AT blocks all actions.


So you guys thinking that the SK has Possession...that can be disproved if someone is Possessed tomorrow. Meanwhile, the SK can't even kill anyone (even if they pick up RIO and target someone with it who got hit another night, they can't take any action tonight) - and technically, the AT might be empty following it's third use, rendering it completely unusable as a weapon. If this is the case, the SK is screwed the following night ANYWAY - as they presumably targetted Hentos last night, gaining their Consume req. - but they cannot act tonight and if the AT is empty...they would need two consecutive nights of RIO to take out someone else, no?

Ergo, 1. not voting is best 2. SK almost can't win the game at this point. Unless they get Possession - but you're all "safe" from that if they have it tonight, due to AT. And in order to get it off Town, they'd have to target the player who does have it, AND kill them, which should almost be impossible over the next three nights even!

Boom. Game solved.

There is a serious what-if there that makes your idea fail:

If the AT was empty, I would understand that to mean the contract is "fulfilled" and therefore it would be marked expired. It's not.

However, one of your points is probably right, namely that the AT needs to be reloaded and we don't have to worry about a kill tonight.*

What that means is that we SHOULD lynch today. If we lynch SK, win! If we lynch town, at least we have that information and have another day to get it right with one less suspect in the field. We get a free lynch, so to speak.

If the AT is, in fact, loaded, we still don't lose anything by lynching. We lynch SK, win! If we lynch town, and another town dies, we have 2 vs 1 against an SK that cannot use any action the following night.

[Pran Chole]

What you're suggesting is we go into tomorrow with less information and a larger suspect pool at our disposal. Not sure, but that sounds like something an SK would want...

[Pran Chole]

Shit, never mind.

Possession messes that up.

[Pran Chole]

No no , my original point is right. If the AT was used, no one can be possessed tomorrow. So it's 3 vs 1.

[Pran Chole]

If the AT wasn't used, and we lynch wrong and a kill happens, it becomes 2 vs 1 tomorrow.

[Pran Chole]

Pran Chole, on 16 May 2014 - 09:29 AM, said:

Shit, never mind.

Possession messes that up.

Sorry for that "wait a moment" post. It's hard to concentrate when both your wife and daughter are screaming at you to do something.

[Karatallid]

Pran Chole, on 16 May 2014 - 09:26 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 16 May 2014 - 06:53 AM, said:

Come to think of it, if the SK can't kill tonight (due to AT rules) why are we lynching?

We can delay d-day by a whole extra cycle if we don't lynch today. More info tonight, town is safe, we carry on from there. This is especially the case where we KNOW the AT can't be used tonight. Not only that, but the SK can't take ANY action tonight, right? The AT blocks all actions.


So you guys thinking that the SK has Possession...that can be disproved if someone is Possessed tomorrow. Meanwhile, the SK can't even kill anyone (even if they pick up RIO and target someone with it who got hit another night, they can't take any action tonight) - and technically, the AT might be empty following it's third use, rendering it completely unusable as a weapon. If this is the case, the SK is screwed the following night ANYWAY - as they presumably targetted Hentos last night, gaining their Consume req. - but they cannot act tonight and if the AT is empty...they would need two consecutive nights of RIO to take out someone else, no?

Ergo, 1. not voting is best 2. SK almost can't win the game at this point. Unless they get Possession - but you're all "safe" from that if they have it tonight, due to AT. And in order to get it off Town, they'd have to target the player who does have it, AND kill them, which should almost be impossible over the next three nights even!

Boom. Game solved.

There is a serious what-if there that makes your idea fail:

If the AT was empty, I would understand that to mean the contract is "fulfilled" and therefore it would be marked expired. It's not.

However, one of your points is probably right, namely that the AT needs to be reloaded and we don't have to worry about a kill tonight.*

What that means is that we SHOULD lynch today. If we lynch SK, win! If we lynch town, at least we have that information and have another day to get it right with one less suspect in the field. We get a free lynch, so to speak.

If the AT is, in fact, loaded, we still don't lose anything by lynching. We lynch SK, win! If we lynch town, and another town dies, we have 2 vs 1 against an SK that cannot use any action the following night.

Pran Chole, on 16 May 2014 - 09:32 AM, said:

If the AT wasn't used, and we lynch wrong and a kill happens, it becomes 2 vs 1 tomorrow.

*ahem*

5 players, 1 of whom is an SK.

-1 Town from Lynch
-1 Town from AT (if loaded)
3 Players, 1 SK

IF SK has Possession (which is, iirc, what you are all accusing me of being/having, ergo your reason to lynch me) then that is an SK win, no?

Lynch wrong, with AT loaded, we lose.

Pran Chole, on 16 May 2014 - 09:28 AM, said:

What you're suggesting is we go into tomorrow with less information and a larger suspect pool at our disposal. Not sure, but that sounds like something an SK would want...

What I'm suggesting is that we go into tommorrow, period.

IF the SK can fire tonight, they reduce the pool for us, without us losing, remove their only weapon, and screw themselves over (vote night to negate possession modkills, no more AT, RIO takes two nights but forces the SK to vote for their target - as Town are only voting night, this lights them up like a mofo).

If the SK cannot fire tonight, then we are in the exact same situation tomorrow, but with MORE information due to the creative use of Contracts (which logic suggests the SK cannot use tonight thus the only people who can use Contracts that gain Town information are Town).


E.g. the SK is screwed if we DON'T lynch. The SK could win if we do. On what basis are we lynching?!

[Karatallid]

Pran Chole, on 16 May 2014 - 09:31 AM, said:

No no , my original point is right. If the AT was used, no one can be possessed tomorrow. So it's 3 vs 1.

See, if the AT can be used tonight (which it may be able to as per speculation above) then there can also be a Possession tomorrow - in which case, we lose!

Even if the Possession cannot be used tonight (for the SK) then there is still no reason to lynch as tonight Possession can be used by Town if held by a Townie to do a soft Find, OR we go into tomorrow with the SAME NUMBERS as we have today. Remember, we don't need to lynch the bloody SK - they are out of NK options once they use up the AT. (As the day-wide turnaround with no ability use + two days to RIO someone while voting for that person (in nice big bold font on the thread with all of Town agreeing to only vote night means they cannot use that ability to complete their Consumption remuneration!)

[Korbas]

Pran Chole said:

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No no , my original point is right. If the AT was used, no one can be possessed tomorrow. So it's 3 vs 1.

Read back to my comments earlier. Nobody voted for Hentos yesterday. If he had been shot with RIO, the killer has to vote for the target, I.e.Hentos.
That means AntiTank was used. It has a one day cool down. So no NK tonight.
Possession was used successfully, therefore it cannot be used tonight.
So neither of those contracts can be used tonight regardless of whether the SK has both or just one.

The only way AntiTank could be used tonight is if it was relinquished and a different person picked it up.

[Korbas]

Damn Kara. Being at death's door seems to have helped you find your keyboard.

[Karatallid]

Korbas, on 16 May 2014 - 10:37 AM, said:

Damn Kara. Being at death's door seems to have helped you find your keyboard.

Being on the verge of Town winning/losing the game, and the fact that for fuck's sake I couldn't post at all yesterday due to technical issues, actually.

However, the fundamentals of the situation are thus:

The SK (which you are all accusing me of being) is tonight incapable of using any abilities due to firing the AT last night.

If the SK cannot get a successful target of Consume on a player who dies once every two nights, they lose.

Therefore, the SK has a limited number of nights for which they can play.

In order for them to win, they either require NKs or Possession. However, they have only one more NK that they can use without giving themselves away (provided Town agrees not to vote each other - thus forcing a highlighting of the SK if they do ANY voting). This means that, given no further lynches, the SK CANNOT win the game. They either get highlighted and lose the game by lynch, or they fail their Remuneration for RIO and die.

Literally, the SK is fucked with current numbers, as long as we don't lynch today, and all Town refrain from voting anything but Night (in the event a Possessed is forced into Modkill), or otherwise refraining from voting at all (as the SK having Possession is thus rendered useless).

We cannot lose under these circumstances, what's not to like?

[Korbas]

Karatallid said:

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and technically, the AT might be empty following it's third use, rendering it completely unusable as a weapon.
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PS stated yesterday that it would say 'fulfilled' on the contract update page. Therefore it' still got one shot left.

[Karatallid]

*in the event a Possessed is ABOUT to be forced into modkill - doing it afterwards would be pointless, obviously.