[Trull's son]

Path-Shaper, on 12 March 2014 - 10:10 PM, said:

those that are watching feel free to comment

Oh good I was waiting for permission

I haven't checked out the game thread yet, but the roles look pretty solid so far. Scum's got a solid lineup for sure.

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Trull, on 13 March 2014 - 04:32 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 12 March 2014 - 10:10 PM, said:

those that are watching feel free to comment

Oh good I was waiting for permission

I haven't checked out the game thread yet, but the roles look pretty solid so far. Scum's got a solid lineup for sure.

Well you never know. Ever been to a party and there's been a big spread of food laid out and you've waited and waited to eat it, when you could have just eat it straight away?

Bad example but that's all I could think of on the fly

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Rikkter, on 12 March 2014 - 09:05 PM, said:

Silchas ruin is another RI.

or he's a finder with a deck and is setting up his claim early.

either way, I think he's on the side of good.

[Path-Shaper]

Okaros, on 12 March 2014 - 09:13 PM, said:

Silchas Ruin, on 12 March 2014 - 08:55 PM, said:

Back.

Anyone up for a few card games? I've got me Deck o' Dragons right here in me pocket.

Sounds like something Hedge would say.

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Monok Ochem, on 12 March 2014 - 09:35 PM, said:

For lack of better target,

Kill Silchas Ruin

for claiming Fiddler

You can expect me to change a lot

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Kilava, on 12 March 2014 - 10:45 PM, said:

Can you confirm if we may or must chose another alt for the second night? I.e. could we target someone two nights in a row?

Gah, whoever that was on thread is really un-subtle at hinting they're Tattersail, I figure them and RI with not much time trying to draw NKs to themselves, taking one for the team. No killer would try for alerting the real Tattersail to look at them, right?

Whilst I've got you on hand, how did you generate those post count totals you posted in the last game? Not figured out them yet. Secret?

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Kilava, on 12 March 2014 - 10:45 PM, said:

Whilst I've got you on hand, how did you generate those post count totals you posted in the last game? Not figured out them yet. Secret?

When you are on this page

http://forum.malazan...forum/51-mafia/

Look at the thread that you want to see and see the number of replies and click it.

So say it say 52 replies, click the number 52 and it will bring up a list.

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Path-Shaper, on 13 March 2014 - 08:51 AM, said:

Alkend, on 12 March 2014 - 11:29 PM, said:

At least tell me that if someone kills me, I only appear dead as I concentrate to slow my heartbeat and take control of the pathways in my own body. Right? Right?

yes that's it, you will appear dead to everyone and even gain access to spoiler heaven, but you won't be dead, you know you won't be, I know you won't be and you may appear in the future.

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Okral Lom, on 12 March 2014 - 11:33 PM, said:

Pretty sure Ampelas is Starling

Okral Lom, on 12 March 2014 - 11:36 PM, said:

also why is Silchas apparently claiming to be fiddler. or possibly tattersail

[Path-Shaper]

The reason I mentioned off thread comm's last game. Lucky Number Slevin.

Here we are;

Shadowthrone and Cotillion

Tiamatha, on 12 March 2014 - 04:54 PM, said:

Denul, on 12 March 2014 - 04:38 PM, said:

Well hello Mr. Godly one. DO expect me to go apeshit on some people killing them with a single rope etc...

One thing that wasn't addressed in My PM, was it addressed in yours, Does Sorry know who we are?

That wasn't addressed at all in mine. So I am going to assume that she doens't.


FYI this is Venge

Tiamatha, on 12 March 2014 - 04:57 PM, said:

I believe that we are guard symps. The killer doesn't know who we are and we are trying to make sure that

a. she doesn't kill us
b. that we prevent the othersides killer from targeting her.


If she dies then I get to start killing. Muhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

What insanity? Who said that? Here doggy doggy doggy. Good girl. Oh who wants a tummy rub.

No kisses on my face!!! I said NO kisses...

Tiamatha, on 12 March 2014 - 08:24 PM, said:

Denul, on 12 March 2014 - 07:38 PM, said:

Hey Venge- Dude here. This should be fun, also if you die, then I get to start killing > I think we can really use this to our advantage especially if we make it down to 8 or so people with the 3 of us alive... we could swing some awesome fake reveals.

Guard symps that have off thread comms and inheriet power seems pretty powerful, I imagine town has some killers of their own ie Kalam. Thoughts on our game plan? From the signups you and I will probably be low posters, and Thursdays I will be almost non existent....so hopefully that doesn't bite us in the ass.

Oh my god we could have some brilliant fake reveals. The hardest part would be choosing the roles to reveal as.

I expect that Kalam is a killer, QB is a finder. They are probably paired. Ganoes is probably a guard. Tattersail is probably a healer. Whiskey could be a guard. With 3 step killers town is going to have a bunch of roles. I would expect Hedge to be there. The question is is Rake in the game or any of the other Andii? If so they might have other winning conditions. I might drop that on the thread at some point but I hate those kinds of bullshit speculation. Still it can be helpful for clouding the waters. I wouldn't expect Rake or the Andii to be in the game from the OP. Fiddler and Hedge could be some type of suicide vigs.

Tiamatha, on 12 March 2014 - 08:27 PM, said:

I go off of the theory that being a low poster for the first couple of days has a lot less risky then being a higher poster. Those tend to draw more attention to themselves and get lynched day 2 or 3.

Tiamatha, on 12 March 2014 - 08:41 PM, said:

The question is what kind of role would Tayschrenn and Hairlock have.

I could see Hairlock as a serial killer with a lp. Perhaps Tays has to hunt him?

Denul, on 12 March 2014 - 09:59 PM, said:

Yeah, idk, I hadn't really considered alternate victory conditions due to it being TMDI 4. And based on no mention of the Andii in the OP I doubt any would be in the game. Tayscherenn does worry me, he's pretty beastly in the books. maybe a healer/guard/killer combo role? HE can only chose one action and cant use the same action on consecutive nights?

Denul, on 12 March 2014 - 10:02 PM, said:

Fiddler and HEdge might have a one time vig and lover convo. ugh, could speculate forever

Denul, on 13 March 2014 - 07:21 AM, said:

Also, I authorize any guard venge puts forward if I am not around to verify.

[Path-Shaper]

Fiddler and Tattersail

Kilava, on 12 March 2014 - 06:16 PM, said:

Want me to tell you how I'd like to handle her?

Fiddler here and yeah to shared Guard/Kill and speculations about other paired abilities - wording certainly implies that. We didn't get a TMDI did we or faction or what, not read OP yet though.

It's Messremb here btw, in low poster mode for today and most of tomorrow. I'm going to lay low whilst away. Reckon maybe not Guard tonight, if we don't attract flak we can get some info on an alt, what do you think? Also, target we chose will determine who we can investigate and who not - a positive kill find doesn't mean Guard next night as kill may have switched to other paired alt. Going to read thread shortly then do a subsistence post tonight or tomorrow morning

Kilava, on 12 March 2014 - 06:48 PM, said:

Okay so I suspect we may have another town killfind/guard pair like us to balance the bi-nightly-ability pairing so need to consider what another pair may go for and adjust accordingly. Although Guard is a sort of find too so possible we are the only one.

Interesting that it is Fiddler lover with Tattersail rather than Ganoes as books and OP - safety for us there as killers may think that the loss of Ganoes takes out the lover pairing. We need to code posts so can verify lover pairing to thread later if revealing, any ideas? 24 hours till I'm at a computer so mine will need to be then - phone sucks mighty balls.

I may take a look into the flavour posts where not directly quoted for any clues.

Who are the Gr moranth?

Eloth, on 12 March 2014 - 08:40 PM, said:

Hey Mess!

I too think doing a find before a guard is our best bet, might clue us into who to guard and all. And yes, I think we should definitely be on the lookout for other possible pairings.

As for lover codes, the problem with them is that they can easily be accused of being a killer pair attempting to fake being town lovers. Plus it's not usually a good idea to reveal your partner if you've been outed. Still, we can do them anyway, in case some other permutation comes up down the line. I'll probably do some version of first letter of word to spell your name out either forwards or backwards.

Eloth, on 12 March 2014 - 08:41 PM, said:

Oh I should also mention that from next week I'm in Germany for two weeks. I should still have good access to the internet, but probably only in the evenings.

Kilava, on 12 March 2014 - 10:37 PM, said:

A devious plan comes to mind for signalling - agreed no reveal to save but can add weight to a later lone survivor making a case, particularly with our role.

When you quote a post it includes a header linkback reference to the original post if you click the speech marks in the quote, manipulating the numerical reference here we can hide information in the reference number, so 0512152008 is coded eloth (e 5th letter, l 12th etc) and will be utterly un-noticeable unless you're looking yet on thread. We make sure we know the post we've each coded it in, roll it out later, everyone gasps at the sheer cunning brilliance and knows it is us

Got a good few beers hopefully all on the company on me so low post post can wait till the morning.

I'm possibly away Monday, busy Tues next week so low posting again then. Play this one low and smooth. Any tips on the role? Targets coming to mind yet? Kill-finder is a quirky role that I quite like, the swapping here will make it very interesting. If one of us dies the other maintains the role I guess.

[b]Path-Shaper: automatically confirm any target Khell selects that I'm not around to verify[b]

[Path-Shaper]

Brujah's plan of attracting a night action seems to be working as many people have said they think he is RI and HO has put in his kill order.

[Path-Shaper]

Looking at people's comments we could play a lot of variants of this type of game, they are all excited and speculating about different roles and connotations. I love it. Look at Ansibles post...

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That's pretty good.

Okaros, on 12 March 2014 - 05:41 PM, said:

Ok first, before I write my scene, I kinda feel the need to know what characters are in the game. I'm sure a scene that referenced NPCs wouldn't be odd...but I am going to assume first that every character that has appeared in a scene so far is being played by an alt.

So...

1. Ganoes Paran - Okaros
2. Tattersail - Eloth
3. Kalam
4. Whiskeyjack
5. Quick Ben
6. Tayschrenn
7. Sorry/Cotillion (possibly separate characters?)
8. Hairlock (?)
9. Adjunct Lorn (?)
10. Laseen (?)


So 1-7 we actually see do something on thread, talk or kill, etc. 8-10 are mentioned explicitly on thread by a character from 1-7, but that doesn't guarantee they are in the game. Hairlock is a wildcard, Laseen seems unlikely. Lorn would make sense. And if Lorn, then Tool as well, and if Tool, then Raest?

I would expect either Fiddler/Hedge, but we already have a lot of Bridgeburners and no Daru and no Rake...

11. Tool (?)
12. Raest (?)
13. Anomander Rake (?)
14. Kruppe (?)
15. Crokus (?)
16. Baruk (?)

With this list we get two ascendants (Rake/Cotillion). I'm going to assume other gods are out of reach, like K'rul or Oponn...except Oponn features prominently in Tattersail's reading, so maybe Oponn is involved? Certainly Oponn would be opposed to Shadow and Rake...

I'm taking Raest off the list because if anything, he would be summoned by Lorn/Tool and then perhaps used as an ability of some kind, maybe a kill or other NA. Baruk also seems unlikely; if anything, Kruppe/The Eel is going to be the highest Daru in-game, probably... That still leaves out Rallick Nom, Vorcan, Ocelot, Turban Orr, Fiddler, Hedge... I'm going to assume characters like Coll, Murillio, Korlat, etc. are not figured prominantely enough in the story to be playable. Actually, I forgot about Toc the Younger...he definitely shows up for a little while and not in an unimportant role either. So...

1. Ganoes Paran - Okaros
2. Tattersail - Eloth
3. Kalam
4. Whiskeyjack
5. Quick Ben
6. Tayschrenn
7. Sorry/Cotillion (possibly separate characters?)
8. Hairlock (?)
9. Adjunct Lorn (?)
10. Toc the Younger/Fiddler/Hedge (?)
11. Tool (?)
12. Oponn (?)
13. Anomander Rake (?)
14. Kruppe (?)
15. Crokus (?)
16. Rallick Nom (?)

Of course, this logic is first based around characters talking in scenes actually existing in the game, which isn't a certainty but seems reasonable. Gotta start somewhere.

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Dujek and Whiskeyjack exchange a look, they both know the real reason Ganoes is here and they both know they'll do all they can to keep him alive but it's an uphill struggle. No one likes a noble and no one likes a noble that's been made Captain, and everyone hates a noble that has been made Captain to keep track of one of their squad. That has death written all over it. Dujek nods to Whiskeyjack and leaves.

"Good afternoon Sergeant, my name is-" started Ganoes

"Well met Toc, I see you have brought the new Captain in safely, was there any trouble?" Whiskeyjack interrupted

Toc moves his eye from Whiskeyjack to Ganoes and back again. "No trouble" he says and sits down.

"What is all this about?" asks Ganoes

"Be careful Ganoes, your squad doesn't take well to new command, rock the boat and you won't see the knife in the back"

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Hedge slams his fist down on the table. Fiddler smiles. Picker feels awesome and smooths her hair back. She is winning quite a lot of money from Hedge and Hedge cannot believe it. Ever since Hairlock mentioned he had stolen Tattersail's cards Hedge had been feeling good. He knew that Fiddler somehow cheated with his own cards and thought that by switching them with Tattersails' he would be able to manipulate a winning game for once. Why does he always lose. He cannot believe it. Look at Picker with her smug smile, if she wasn't so damn pretty he would punch her in the face, it has nothing to do with how big she is and how she would flatten him with her left before he even tried.

Fiddler loves watching Hedge squirm. He knew he had swapped his cards so he only went and swapped them back. He could not leave Tattersail without her cards, she is an adept and she has pulled them out of more than on spot. So he swapped them and anyway just look at how Picker looks. Is she flirting rubbing her hair like that? It's good to look at and it's not his coin he is losing.

Picker sees them. She notices. She's not silly, she is awesome and continues to do it as she likes the attention. All she can think about is Blend anyway. What she would like to do to her later. Will she be pleased she has won all this coin? One cannot tell. She tries avidly to avoid the other person's eyes. If one person gives her the creeps its that one.

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Sorry pretends to sip her drink. She is looking at each of the pathetic Bridgeburners and wondering which one to kill tonight. She hates them all, she hates all Malazans, she just wants them to die. She closes her eyes, a face appears. It is not a human face, no it is a puppet. She knows it has a face but she cannot really make it out. The urge within her grows, she just wants to pull it to pieces and set it on fire. She opens her eyes. She will kill tonight, she doesn't know who, she doesn't know when or how but tonight she will satisfy her hunger.

[D'rek]

I misinterpreted the "There are no roles that you will be unfamiliar with." bit from your core setup post into thinking that all the roles would be posted in the OP. I get what you mean now, but I'm no longer sure this is going to end up being very balanced. Scum having two symps that become killers is very powerful when the town finders don't have any reason to expect it (after Sorry dies, they will assume she was paired and not go back to double check any finds they have already done). Too late to change it now, though, and who knows I could be way off. We'll see!

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D, on 13 March 2014 - 01:15 PM, said:

I misinterpreted the "There are no roles that you will be unfamiliar with." bit from your core setup post into thinking that all the roles would be posted in the OP. I get what you mean now, but I'm no longer sure this is going to end up being very balanced. Scum having two symps that become killers is very powerful when the town finders don't have any reason to expect it (after Sorry dies, they will assume she was paired and not go back to double check any finds they have already done). Too late to change it now, though, and who knows I could be way off. We'll see!

It looks like Sorry may get lynched, and if she comes up scum which she will that will point to Denul for being her possible symp. Gust Hubb is scary when he is that right.

Do you think I should have put roles in the OP, I didn't want to give to much away.

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Especially with the finders having a role that says "currently has a NK"