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Posted 22 March 2014 - 06:40 PM

I'm rereading* Way of Kings and I hadn't remembered the guy Amaram is writing to at the end is also namedropped by Gavilar as a possible assassin-sender in the beginning.

*skipping all the Shallan and flashback Kaladin and mostly skipping the present day Kaladin chapters cause god damn
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Posted 23 March 2014 - 10:21 AM

I am worried about how much crossover there might be in this series. Nightblood showing up seems more significant than just an easter egg. If you end with too many shiny toys at once you don't know which one to play with. So if every significant character, tool or magic system suddenly appears on Roshar they will all become less special.
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Posted 23 March 2014 - 10:26 AM

Hoid/Wit is the only one I remember passing through, and he's never really piqued my interest in the other novels. So, I think for casual fans there'll be no problems.

Nitpickers/Obsessers will always be problematic in these things. Hell, the DT Compendium proves that.
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Posted 23 March 2014 - 11:24 AM

There's also three other characters from other Cosmere books (the guys hunting Hoid in Book 1, and another much more prominent character) on Roshar, one from the MISTBORN planet and the other from ELANTRIS. Sanderson is definitely ramping up the Cosmere connections with each book.

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 06:56 PM

Just finished the book yesterday, and wow, what a great read!

To those questioning Jasnah's powers, it's stated early on that she shares Soulcasting with Shallan, but that she doesn't have the Lightweaving ability, so where Shallan is a Lightweaver, Jasnah is not. In the last chapter when she reappears, Wit says she was Elsecalling, so I'm assuming she's going to be an Elsecaller.

So far we've seen a Surgebinder (Kaladin), a Lightweaver (Shallan), an Elsecaller (Jasnah), a Bondsmith (Dalinar), and then whatever the cobbler and the little girl are - they have the overlapping regrowth ability, but I don't think we get official names for what kind of Radiants they are. There's also Renarin, but I'm worried about him because his ability apparently is to 'see,' which to me implies he's going to have visions of the future, and we've been told throughout the book that seeing the future is of the Voidbringers.

I'm excited to see what kind of Radiant Lopen is going to be, as well as the other Bridgemen who were hinted at having powers (someone mentioned offhand that they saw some bridgemen glowing during the big final battle).

Dalinar being a Radiant was hinted throughout the book, but for me, it was made very clear when he was in the hospital tent during the last battle and the person checking his cut comments on how many scars he has and how he should, by all rights, not be able to even use his arm anymore. Seems to me like that means that he's got something healing him, which must mean stormlight. I'm certainly interested to see what it means to be a Bondsmith.

Re: the Parshendi who did not want to take on Stormform - Thude basically took off with them, and they went down into the chasms. I think they're going to pop back up later, though whether they end up on the Alethi side or not is going to be interesting. I have a feeling that Rlain will end up bringing them into the fold to fight the Voidbringers. I certainly think the Voidbringers and the Everstorm are going to be a little more complex than 'all Parshmen/Parshendi will become Voidbringers as soon as an Everstorm passes.'

Re: Taravangian and the Diagram - I really enjoy the idea that they've become somewhat of a religious order. I get the impression that the Ghostbloods are part of this group, but I'm not sure whether I read that correctly or not. It's certainly piqued my interest, and I look forward to that story developing more.

Then there's Amaram's crew, which tied to Gavilar, and they were trying to bring on a Desolation (or something close to a Desolation) in order to bring the Heralds back. I'm interested to see where that's going, but their motives are still pretty murky to me. I mean, why risk a Desolation just to bring the Heralds back? What do they expect having the Heralds back will do?

Re: Szeth at the end - I haven't read Warbreaker, so I don't know about Szeth's sword, which you all seem to think is the sword from that novel. When I read that, what with the sword being black and glowing with dark energy, I assumed that this was an Odiumblade. It's been mentioned, I'm pretty sure from an interview with Brandon Sanderson, that there are Honorblades, Shardblades and Odiumblades, and that we had seen all three types in Way of Kings, though it wasn't spelled out for us. I did not get a good feeling from what was going on with the guy with the Crescent-shaped scar on his cheek that claims to be the Herald of Justice (Rin?). The guy spent the whole book going around and killing potential Radiants (the cobbler guy, and he tried to kill Lift too). I think that he's likely been corrupted by Odium, and that although he's going to have Szeth believing that what they're doing is good, it's going to turn out to be evil evil evil (poor Szeth)!

Another thing that I'm interested in are these Ancient Spren, like the Stormfather, the Nightwatcher, and the other two that Taravangian mentions (the one that makes people say things when they die, and the one that gives people the Thrill). It seems like Taravangian is interested in the two that seem most evil - both Dalinar and Adolin say they feel sickened by the Thrill eventually, and the death utterings seem similar to visions of the future, and seeing the future is of the Voidbringers.

That's all the commentary that I can think of right now!

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 12:10 AM

I really enjoyed this 2nd book although it was another 1k setup novel like the 1st.

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My fav character HAS to be Lift though. She's gonna be important for sure. I was quite bummed out with Ym. He had some Cosmere info for sure and should be noted that Cresent Marked guys are different people. Ym's was a Makabi and Lifts was an Azish and they seemed to connected to the Herald Nin who gives Szeth Nightblood.

I had a feeling Jasnah survived but was expecting Yalb and some of the ship crew to be with her.
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Posted 30 March 2014 - 07:24 AM

View PostBlend, on 25 March 2014 - 06:56 PM, said:

Just finished the book yesterday, and wow, what a great read!

To those questioning Jasnah's powers, it's stated early on that she shares Soulcasting with Shallan, but that she doesn't have the Lightweaving ability, so where Shallan is a Lightweaver, Jasnah is not. In the last chapter when she reappears, Wit says she was Elsecalling, so I'm assuming she's going to be an Elsecaller.

So far we've seen a Surgebinder (Kaladin), a Lightweaver (Shallan), an Elsecaller (Jasnah), a Bondsmith (Dalinar), and then whatever the cobbler and the little girl are - they have the overlapping regrowth ability, but I don't think we get official names for what kind of Radiants they are. There's also Renarin, but I'm worried about him because his ability apparently is to 'see,' which to me implies he's going to have visions of the future, and we've been told throughout the book that seeing the future is of the Voidbringers.

I'm excited to see what kind of Radiant Lopen is going to be, as well as the other Bridgemen who were hinted at having powers (someone mentioned offhand that they saw some bridgemen glowing during the big final battle).

Dalinar being a Radiant was hinted throughout the book, but for me, it was made very clear when he was in the hospital tent during the last battle and the person checking his cut comments on how many scars he has and how he should, by all rights, not be able to even use his arm anymore. Seems to me like that means that he's got something healing him, which must mean stormlight. I'm certainly interested to see what it means to be a Bondsmith.

Re: the Parshendi who did not want to take on Stormform - Thude basically took off with them, and they went down into the chasms. I think they're going to pop back up later, though whether they end up on the Alethi side or not is going to be interesting. I have a feeling that Rlain will end up bringing them into the fold to fight the Voidbringers. I certainly think the Voidbringers and the Everstorm are going to be a little more complex than 'all Parshmen/Parshendi will become Voidbringers as soon as an Everstorm passes.'

Re: Taravangian and the Diagram - I really enjoy the idea that they've become somewhat of a religious order. I get the impression that the Ghostbloods are part of this group, but I'm not sure whether I read that correctly or not. It's certainly piqued my interest, and I look forward to that story developing more.

Then there's Amaram's crew, which tied to Gavilar, and they were trying to bring on a Desolation (or something close to a Desolation) in order to bring the Heralds back. I'm interested to see where that's going, but their motives are still pretty murky to me. I mean, why risk a Desolation just to bring the Heralds back? What do they expect having the Heralds back will do?

Re: Szeth at the end - I haven't read Warbreaker, so I don't know about Szeth's sword, which you all seem to think is the sword from that novel. When I read that, what with the sword being black and glowing with dark energy, I assumed that this was an Odiumblade. It's been mentioned, I'm pretty sure from an interview with Brandon Sanderson, that there are Honorblades, Shardblades and Odiumblades, and that we had seen all three types in Way of Kings, though it wasn't spelled out for us. I did not get a good feeling from what was going on with the guy with the Crescent-shaped scar on his cheek that claims to be the Herald of Justice (Rin?). The guy spent the whole book going around and killing potential Radiants (the cobbler guy, and he tried to kill Lift too). I think that he's likely been corrupted by Odium, and that although he's going to have Szeth believing that what they're doing is good, it's going to turn out to be evil evil evil (poor Szeth)!

Another thing that I'm interested in are these Ancient Spren, like the Stormfather, the Nightwatcher, and the other two that Taravangian mentions (the one that makes people say things when they die, and the one that gives people the Thrill). It seems like Taravangian is interested in the two that seem most evil - both Dalinar and Adolin say they feel sickened by the Thrill eventually, and the death utterings seem similar to visions of the future, and seeing the future is of the Voidbringers.

That's all the commentary that I can think of right now!


Lift is an Edgewalker (wrong series) Edgedancer. Don't remember what the cobbler was right now.
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Posted 30 March 2014 - 02:33 PM

Judging from this handily updated annotated verson of that surge list, either the same as Lift or as Renarin.

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 05:58 PM

I believe Ym was supposed to be a Truth-seer.
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Posted 31 March 2014 - 02:56 AM

I just got to the part near the end where Kaladin pulls one of these:



and ohstormfathermypulseisracing.

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Posted 31 March 2014 - 12:59 PM

Finished yesterday. Fantastic. Seriously one of my favorite books of all time.
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Posted 31 March 2014 - 08:04 PM

Is the next book out yet?

EDIT: Seriously, is it out yet?

EDIT2: Now?

EDIT3: What about now?

EDIT4: I'm jonesing for my Stormlight Archive fix!

EDIT5: Just saw a post on the Sanderson fan forums that said the last book in the series (book 10) is expected around 2025. I don't know if I can wait that long — I might be dead by then!

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Posted 31 March 2014 - 08:13 PM

View PostBlend, on 25 March 2014 - 06:56 PM, said:

I'm excited to see what kind of Radiant Lopen is going to be, as well as the other Bridgemen who were hinted at having powers (someone mentioned offhand that they saw some bridgemen glowing during the big final battle).


I think that right after that comment was made, someone else commented something that made me think that, instead of them all becoming Radiants, they would have some sort of support capacity (ability to give a Radiant stormlight from their body or something).

View PostBlend, on 25 March 2014 - 06:56 PM, said:

I did not get a good feeling from what was going on with the guy with the Crescent-shaped scar on his cheek that claims to be the Herald of Justice (Rin?). The guy spent the whole book going around and killing potential Radiants (the cobbler guy, and he tried to kill Lift too). I think that he's likely been corrupted by Odium, and that although he's going to have Szeth believing that what they're doing is good, it's going to turn out to be evil evil evil (poor Szeth)!


He's Nalan'Elin, one of the Almighty's Heralds. So was that person who Amaram spirited away at the end from Dalinar's warcamp — he was Talenel'Elin.

EDIT: I'd rather link to the Coppermind wiki, as I think it's a bit better and, instead of being limited to just the Stormlight Archive, encompasses all of Sanderson's cosmere. Unfortunately, it's been experiencing downtime the past few days.

EDIT2: Oh, and that sword that Nalan gives to Szeth? It may be Nightblood from Warbreaker.

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Posted 31 March 2014 - 09:28 PM

It totally is, as in originally Vasher as himself rather than Zahel was meant to train Kaladin in Shardblade combat in the original Stormlight drafts from years ago. Warbreaker is an introduction to the Stormlight Archive characters Vasher and Nightblood, basically.

Also I read some of Sanderson's tweets, listing the names of the main characters for each of the first five books - Kaladin for book 1, Shallan book 2, Szeth book 3, Eshonai (did you really think someone in stormform and shardplate was going to die from a little fall like that) for book 4 and Dalinar for book 5. Then there's some kind of timeskip, and guess who's one of the bookbased characters for one of 6-10? Lift will be, ideally while never saying awesomeness again. Please stop trying to be funny Brandon, you are very much not.
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Posted 31 March 2014 - 10:27 PM

Lift was the best thing in that book lol. I didn't mind her terms since she's what 12? Also I guess having a 10 yr old daughter saying the same type stuff everyday IRL coulda made it more tolerable??
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Posted 01 April 2014 - 01:49 PM

View PostIlluyankas, on 31 March 2014 - 09:28 PM, said:

It totally is, as in originally Vasher as himself rather than Zahel was meant to train Kaladin in Shardblade combat in the original Stormlight drafts from years ago. Warbreaker is an introduction to the Stormlight Archive characters Vasher and Nightblood, basically.

Also I read some of Sanderson's tweets, listing the names of the main characters for each of the first five books - Kaladin for book 1, Shallan book 2, Szeth book 3, Eshonai (did you really think someone in stormform and shardplate was going to die from a little fall like that) for book 4 and Dalinar for book 5. Then there's some kind of timeskip, and guess who's one of the bookbased characters for one of 6-10? Lift will be, ideally while never saying awesomeness again. Please stop trying to be funny Brandon, you are very much not.


Yes when either Wit or Shallan talk and people praise their wit I am confused!
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Posted 01 April 2014 - 02:54 PM

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View PostIlluyankas, on 31 March 2014 - 09:28 PM, said:

It totally is, as in originally Vasher as himself rather than Zahel was meant to train Kaladin in Shardblade combat in the original Stormlight drafts from years ago. Warbreaker is an introduction to the Stormlight Archive characters Vasher and Nightblood, basically.

Also I read some of Sanderson's tweets, listing the names of the main characters for each of the first five books - Kaladin for book 1, Shallan book 2, Szeth book 3, Eshonai (did you really think someone in stormform and shardplate was going to die from a little fall like that) for book 4 and Dalinar for book 5. Then there's some kind of timeskip, and guess who's one of the bookbased characters for one of 6-10? Lift will be, ideally while never saying awesomeness again. Please stop trying to be funny Brandon, you are very much not.


Yes when either Wit or Shallan talk and people praise their wit I am confused!


Shallan is more punny, and Wit only sounds witty because we know what he's talking about, but none of the characters do.
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Posted 01 April 2014 - 03:29 PM

"Awesomeness" makes me cringe as well. Hopefully by the next set of 5 books where Lift will supposedly be more of a main character, she'll be old enough that she'll stop saying it.

Still a good chapter though. But Taravangian had the best interlude.
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Posted 02 April 2014 - 12:42 AM

View PostSussex Months, on 01 April 2014 - 03:29 PM, said:

Still a good chapter though. But Taravangian had the best interlude.


Some days I wonder if the Nightwatcher put the same curse on me that she put on Taravangian...
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Posted 02 April 2014 - 01:28 AM

I read somewhere that BS said we won't see a Mistborn vs Surgebinder fight but if I was an author I wouldn't let many tidbits out on future books. He has yrs to change his mind though unless he made it where powers only work on the characters home planet. I would be really cool down the line though for Galladon or Demoux to bust out some Runes and Burning.
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