[Nimander Golit]

I dont know any more about either of them. Hentos Ilm I could get behind for thw same reason as Hanas, just not much of a presence. I gam wildly guessing that fandy isnt on my team based on gut, but no more than that. Would prefer a Hanas and Hentos lynch simply because I could hope that I dont have two low posters (lower than me!) in my faction.

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[Cast]

To be honest I don't know if either are in my faction, Hentos has been selected by me because of the talk about low posters and their immediate increase in posts, or if not because I have no "feel" on at all. Fanderay because I dislike their early play and the way they wanted to be Mayor/Judge so badly. I have nothing in my role PM that mentions anything about XP, so if I got XP it wouldn't affect me, i'd put it in the pot or whatever it was that XP goes towards. All the people wanting XP have me suspicious because they must be able to use it somehow.

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This post has been edited by Cast: 27 August 2013 - 08:40 AM

[Barghast]

Lock, on 27 August 2013 - 03:18 AM, said:

To secure Mayor, which secures us both lynches are used, and are no longer adding up and giving too much power to one person, I will add that I will not select a judge that openly says his lynch choice is anyone who gives me their vote. Also, I'd like to select a judge from one of those willing to vote for me as mayor. Meanas, if I select you as judge, would you be willing to go along with this and not select a lynchee from amongst anyone who votes for me? This will help secure the major slot, in my opinion, which helps secure your role as judge. I'd also be willing to exclude lynch choices from anyone willing to open comms. Meanas, could you work with this? If not, we can come up with something else, I'm sure.

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Is this not a different way of saying if you spend bullets/cards you'll not be lynched, a la inverse of yesterdays suggestion of buying Mayorship? I dislike it in theory but in actual fact it gets people using the cantrips and given the PS PM restrictions are on thread can potentially increase the amount of information available significantly. Although does anyone trust their convo partner at all? Those who spent a Diamonds [6] last night may do, the rest of us, not so sure. Lock has said he'll open comms with me tomorrow, is anyone around who fancies the second half of this Day with me? Do bear in mind I'm catching up so might take a while to notice.

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[Barghast]

Grasp, on 27 August 2013 - 04:04 AM, said:

Whatever, I'll put my money where my mouth is.

Vote Lock

Really, the only switch from Demelain to someone else would be to a lower poster. Hentos, if you're willing to add your vote now to start a real train building that would help motivate others I don't think there'd be any good reason to lynch you, and we could just leave it as Hanas and Demelain without this don't-lynch-people-who-vote thing.



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I'll put a vote down after RNVP has been and they have logged in again, therefore proving their choices are set.

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[Barghast]

Lock, on 27 August 2013 - 04:36 AM, said:

Meanas, on 27 August 2013 - 04:17 AM, said:

ok, peeps, here's your half hour warning. Then i'm off to sleep, and my lynch choices will be locked in.

[2]

Well, if I'm mayor I can choose Grasp as judge and lynch Demelain and Hanas. I'm ok with this if we don't hear from Demelain, as he was one of my supporters yesterday. If he doesn't show, then it won't matter.

Hanas is just as good a choice as anyone else, in my opinion.

So maybe you can pick two different choices, lock them in, and that way we will still have some ability to make a choice. We could hopefully even say, at this point, if I'm elected, I'll go with either Meanas or Grasp, by letting popular vote decide after more time has passed. This gives EVERYONE the ability to decide from at least two sets of choices, and I'll submit to choosing one or the other for sure.

What do you think? More choices would help fight any notions that the few of us are working together with some malicious agenda.

Grasp, your choices are in. Any thoughts on two others that Meanas can lock in?

I think you're misunderstanding the election process here.

Tapper, on 14 August 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

5. Player Statuses
a. Mayor
Each day, players elect a Mayor. The only task of the Mayor is to nominate a Judge, but since the Judge determines who is lynched, the Mayor is quite important. The rules for Mayor are as follows:
1) at the latest, you must nominate your Judge during your first log-on after the mods call for the end of Wagers (This will be done by posting Rien ne va Plus on thread).
2) If you fail to do this, the player with the next most votes will become Mayor.
3) You may not elect yourself as Judge.
4) Nothing prevents you from publishing your choice for Judge on thread; nothing prevents you from lying about your nomination, either.
5) Other player's abilities can affect your choice.

b. Judge
Each day, the Mayor elects a Judge. The only task of the Judge is to decide which player will be lynched, so the Judge is quite important. The rules for the Judge are as follows:
1) at the latest, you must select your selected lynch target during your first log-on after the mods call for the end of Wagers (this will be done by posting Rien ne va Plus on thread).
2) If you fail to do this, there will be no lynch and the Judge on the next day gets to lynch 2 players.
3) Nothing prevents you from publishing your choice for the lynch on thread; nothing prevents you from lying about your choice, either.
4) Other player's abilities can affect your choice.

So, you have to defined a target for Judge/Lynch, not a couple of choices which you'll later clarify, were you able to clarify between two Judges at a later point there'd be no point to the RNVP mechanic. Your choices must be set in stone during your first log-on after RNVP is called.

This does of course present a potential tactic - go away and do not read thread, get elected, pick who you want in your first log-in 1 hour before Day times out. Potentially a more informed decision. Of course PS may object that if you're elected during Day progress then you had no choices in so it falls to the next candidate, but if you're held at L-1 it should work with you hammering yourself. There's also the chance they forget to log in in time so a backup would be needed with 1 vote on them and someone else to hammer to get the election past the post.

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[Barghast]

Fanderay, on 27 August 2013 - 05:41 AM, said:

Is it just me or do people seem way cozy with each other and very willing to work to get themselves elected mayor? Hmmmm seems like a very familiar senario as yesterday. Why did that make me look uber suspicious but noone else is batting an eye when others do it?

Kettle Pot Black anyone?

Frankly I think we need a lynch if for no otehr reason than to keep the total people lynchable by a Judge to a minimum. I'd be willing to throw my vote in if it means we can get a lynch and the Judge candidate is acceptable to me. I would really like to have some time to look at who was stating they were okay about letting the lynches build up every couple of days. I think one of those people should be lynched but alas I just don't ahve the time to dig back through the posts to find out who they were. According to Jalan it wasn't him.

Hopefully someone can take a look at that for me. Hell I would seriously consider throwing my vote their way for mayor if they did.

For now I'm out for the night.

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You looked suspicious because you were dealing on thread to get yourself XP as either Judge or Mayor whichever way proved more popular. Grasp and Lock aren't having the same mutual love-in (that they are telling us, anyway)

That's a few times now you've said you want to go and look at who weren't massive worried about no lynch, go and look. Here's a hint - for Day 1, I was one of them. But do check out my reasoning whilst you're at it, posts #399 and #411.

And throwing a vote the way of a person who does some looking up for you? Well that's one way to split the potential train we have building, are you so sure you want a lynch today?

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[Barghast]

Lock, on 27 August 2013 - 06:04 AM, said:

Fanderay, on 27 August 2013 - 05:41 AM, said:

Is it just me or do people seem way cozy with each other and very willing to work to get themselves elected mayor? Hmmmm seems like a very familiar senario as yesterday. Why did that make me look uber suspicious but noone else is batting an eye when others do it?

Kettle Pot Black anyone?

Frankly I think we need a lynch if for no otehr reason than to keep the total people lynchable by a Judge to a minimum. I'd be willing to throw my vote in if it means we can get a lynch and the Judge candidate is acceptable to me. I would really like to have some time to look at who was stating they were okay about letting the lynches build up every couple of days. I think one of those people should be lynched but alas I just don't ahve the time to dig back through the posts to find out who they were. According to Jalan it wasn't him.

Hopefully someone can take a look at that for me. Hell I would seriously consider throwing my vote their way for mayor if they did.

For now I'm out for the night.

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I think you are perfectly right with this line of thought. There's no reason to trust me or anyone, but we do agree that we need a lynch this time, which does mean we need a mayor. That's why I have went about this entire scenario the best way I think possible. I spent resources voting myself, and opening a comm to ask for support. I put myself out there for scrutiny. I have to reveal much more than players only having to vote, and much much more than those not voting at all. I am forced to compromise with players who could be friend or for, and select a judge who doesn't even have to tell the truth about whom he chooses to lynch. Right now, I'm even having to lean towards Grasp, even though I'd prefer Demelain not be one of the lynchees, but as Mayor, I won't have my way entirely. I've tried to make it as clear as possible that I'll choose a judge that, so far, every single player agrees with. If I screw this up, I doubt I'll be able to be Mayor again, and even placed on some lists I'd rather not be on.

My gain? The XP. I want it, and think it is worth gaining, as I am limited in other ways to gain XP. If I conduct this well, and hold my word, maybe I garner trust for future Mayor or Judge candidate. Mostly, because we got nowhere yesterday, and if someone doesnt step up, I don't see us getting anywhere again.

Can you really find fault in my method so far? The only main fact is who ends up lynched, and I'm being as open as possible to all notions, while at the same time showing loyalty to those already vouching for me.

I like your input, but not the fact that you have posted and bailed. I have been as open-minded to nearly everyone this day, but I don't really like the tone of this post, Fanderay. You either skimmed over the last page, or are missing something. I think I've done about as well a job as possible so far. Who would you like as lynchees?

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We all want the XP, you've had the balls to stand up and make a case on yourself, putting your actions first, you've got my vote for today once you and your Judge confirm choices are locked in. ~You imply you're weak as an attacker therefore will be likely spending to increase your offensive skills, I have no issue with people who are running for Mayor telling us where they'll be spending XP - it is something he didn't have to tell us and it does put him under more scrutiny as to who he could be.

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[Barghast]

Lock, on 27 August 2013 - 06:07 AM, said:

Grasp, on 27 August 2013 - 05:18 AM, said:

Bedtime for me too!

I think the votes are at 2 for Lock and none others right now? And we're still looking at possible alternatives to Hanas and Demelain for Meanas to be Judge of. I'd suggest looking at Nimander and Hentos - both seem pretty low-posting and fairly low-content, and the fact that they both have been on but haven't even really said if they would vote, let alone put down a vote since they probably won't be back online again, leaves me pretty suspicious of 'em and could make them good alternate target choices.

Will follow-up on that tomorrow if no one else does.

Night!

[2]

Right now I have 3(Lock, Grasp, Liosan).

Meanas, Bek, Hentos, and Denul have all tentatively agreed, as long as I select a certain Judge. So with me willing to pick you, Grasp, for Judge, we would possibly have 6 or 7 votes. These votes being based off Hanas and Demelain as the end result for lynchees. So we need to find two different lynchees(or any combination of one, the other, or both) that these current 6 or so players still agree on, as well as an additional 3 or 4 others.

I think the case also might be that there are a few players who don't want one of Demelain or Hanas as the lynchees, but don't want to out themselves by saying so. That's why I've elected to be that person. Therefore, I think we really need to at least have one alternate set of lynchees, or we may get nowhere again. I was hoping Meanas to be the one to choose, but if someone else will step up, and you're chosen, it is an extra XP at least.

If we stall out again, the next judge lynches thrice. Who wants this? Possibly a faction with strong communication and a willingness and chance to elect one of their own at some point, and have the ability to lynch many times. Everyone else should be wary. I also admit I want the XP gain, as it doesn't hurt.

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I'm good not to roll with another alternative pair of lynches - the players who might not want one of them have to weigh up if the alt living is worth tomrorows Judge getting 3 lynches, potentially targeting those same two and one other. We split the vote in a game where voting costs and we will have hung elections. Lots of them.

There are certainly players who don't want one or both of them lynched, question is are poeple right in thinking they don't want one of them dead? - are they on your team, are they on a team you want dead or are they on a team that wants you dead. I'm game today with 2 x 4/5 chances they either want me dead or I want them dead. There is a 2 x 3/20 potential for them to be on my team.

WRT Grasps post, Nimander and Hentos have a full day cycle yet, as does everyone else. expecting people to lay down votes on a small train when they know they'll be back again is putting some inferences on their actions that they don't deserve.

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[Barghast]

Cast, on 27 August 2013 - 08:40 AM, said:

To be honest I don't know if either are in my faction, Hentos has been selected by me because of the talk about low posters and their immediate increase in posts, or if not because I have no "feel" on at all. Fanderay because I dislike their early play and the way they wanted to be Mayor/Judge so badly. I have nothing in my role PM that mentions anything about XP, so if I got XP it wouldn't affect me, i'd put it in the pot or whatever it was that XP goes towards. All the people wanting XP have me suspicious because they must be able to use it somehow.

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XP will affect you, in good ways.

Tapper, on 14 August 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

2. Role Modification
a. Experience Points

Ghoul Gulch works with role advancement through an Experience system, with which you can increase your amount of pips (marginally), thus getting a more focused or better rounded role.
Experience is only gained through player actions.
The first way to gain Experience, is to be Elected (as Mayor, as Judge, or as Lynchee - yes, getting lynched nets you experience).
The second way is to kill an alt (by dealing damage to an alt in a phase in which it is removed from the game).

Each time you do one of the above, you gain 1 XP. At the start of any Day Phase, you can spend XP.
For each XP that you spend, you may:

* raise 1 die by 2 pips (to a maximum of 6);
* create a new die of 2 pips;
* raise 2 dice by 1 pip each;
* OR you pay the XP to your faction's Hero Pool (see below).

So, you know those scores where you have less pips than you'd like - might be Bullets, Luck, Hearts, Cheat, Health, Attunement etc, anything, well you can increase them. This is why people want XP.

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edit: missed out the initial quote

This post has been edited by Barghast: 27 August 2013 - 09:49 AM

[Cast]

Oh, I did read that before the game started. I was thinking there might be something about XP in the role PM. Even so, Fanderay still sticks out to me quite a lot.

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[Cast]

I'll vote Lock though if no one likes my suggestion. I just offered a different alternative to what is out there already. I am getting caught up.

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[Barghast]

Cast, on 27 August 2013 - 10:10 AM, said:

I'll vote Lock though if no one likes my suggestion. I just offered a different alternative to what is out there already. I am getting caught up.

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Sorry, I wasn't trying to stifle other suggestions, I thought that with the need to keep Judges in check we're better off having competing trains on days when we know we're not risking large numbers of deaths, i.e. the Day after we catch up on missed lynches.

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[Cast]

Regardless of anything, even before you came online, I voted for you as Judge. The main reason is because I like how you are playing, what you are saying on thread and just being genuinely helpful.

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[Demelain]

I'm here, and I'm going to say that there is no way I'm going to vote for Lock if his judge is saying he will lynch me. Even if the Judge changes his word I will not believe him, If Lock wants my vote he will need to choose someone other than Meanas/Grasp.

I also noticed that Lock said he would like making me Judge. Because I would love to have the XP (obviously) and I also would love to get to kill those I want, I will say who I will chose as lynchee for today.

Lynching Merrid would be pretty well for us today, mostly because he used a big amount of bullets in a short time yesterday and that makes me pretty curious. I would love to see his CF.
My second choice for lynch would be either Hanas or Hentos , because despite the fact that I'm not sure they are not on my team, I want to become Judge and people seem to like lynching a low poster.


So my choices for lynch would be Merrid & Hentos/Hanas (I would probably cross out the one who posts sooner ...)


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This post has been edited by Demelain: 27 August 2013 - 11:09 AM

[Lock]

Barghast, on 27 August 2013 - 09:11 AM, said:

Lock, on 27 August 2013 - 04:36 AM, said:

Meanas, on 27 August 2013 - 04:17 AM, said:

ok, peeps, here's your half hour warning. Then i'm off to sleep, and my lynch choices will be locked in.

[2]

Well, if I'm mayor I can choose Grasp as judge and lynch Demelain and Hanas. I'm ok with this if we don't hear from Demelain, as he was one of my supporters yesterday. If he doesn't show, then it won't matter.

Hanas is just as good a choice as anyone else, in my opinion.

So maybe you can pick two different choices, lock them in, and that way we will still have some ability to make a choice. We could hopefully even say, at this point, if I'm elected, I'll go with either Meanas or Grasp, by letting popular vote decide after more time has passed. This gives EVERYONE the ability to decide from at least two sets of choices, and I'll submit to choosing one or the other for sure.

What do you think? More choices would help fight any notions that the few of us are working together with some malicious agenda.

Grasp, your choices are in. Any thoughts on two others that Meanas can lock in?

I think you're misunderstanding the election process here.

Tapper, on 14 August 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

5. Player Statuses
a. Mayor
Each day, players elect a Mayor. The only task of the Mayor is to nominate a Judge, but since the Judge determines who is lynched, the Mayor is quite important. The rules for Mayor are as follows:
1) at the latest, you must nominate your Judge during your first log-on after the mods call for the end of Wagers (This will be done by posting Rien ne va Plus on thread).
2) If you fail to do this, the player with the next most votes will become Mayor.
3) You may not elect yourself as Judge.
4) Nothing prevents you from publishing your choice for Judge on thread; nothing prevents you from lying about your nomination, either.
5) Other player's abilities can affect your choice.

b. Judge
Each day, the Mayor elects a Judge. The only task of the Judge is to decide which player will be lynched, so the Judge is quite important. The rules for the Judge are as follows:
1) at the latest, you must select your selected lynch target during your first log-on after the mods call for the end of Wagers (this will be done by posting Rien ne va Plus on thread).
2) If you fail to do this, there will be no lynch and the Judge on the next day gets to lynch 2 players.
3) Nothing prevents you from publishing your choice for the lynch on thread; nothing prevents you from lying about your choice, either.
4) Other player's abilities can affect your choice.

So, you have to defined a target for Judge/Lynch, not a couple of choices which you'll later clarify, were you able to clarify between two Judges at a later point there'd be no point to the RNVP mechanic. Your choices must be set in stone during your first log-on after RNVP is called.

This does of course present a potential tactic - go away and do not read thread, get elected, pick who you want in your first log-in 1 hour before Day times out. Potentially a more informed decision. Of course PS may object that if you're elected during Day progress then you had no choices in so it falls to the next candidate, but if you're held at L-1 it should work with you hammering yourself. There's also the chance they forget to log in in time so a backup would be needed with 1 vote on them and someone else to hammer to get the election past the post.

[1]

I follow this, and do see the misunderstanding of the mechanic. With my strategy, I was thinking that if I was elected mayor, I'd be able to choose either Grasp(thus Hanas and Demelain as lynchees) or another player with two different lynchees, and that I would be able to choose the judge most preferred by the thread. So I see what you were trying to tell me here. That in combination with PS saying I needed to go ahead and submit my choices changed things slightly.

This is what I've come up with. When I was going to choose grasp as judge, I received three votes. (liosan, grasp, lock) I wanted to try to choose a path that would let me keep these couple votes, and also have a chance at being agreeable with Meanas, Bek, Barghast, and Denul. (Who had been leaning towards voting me)

Grasp mentioned being alright with a judge that lynches Hentos and Nimander, as possible alternatives.
Nimander agreed with Hentos, Hanas, and Fanderay as lynchees.
Cast agreed with Hentos and Fanderay.
Demelain agreed with Hentos, Hanas, and Merrid.(although Meanas was against a Merrid choice)

Therefore, given the PS deadline, I submitted Cast as choice for Judge, as his saying he'd choose to lynch Fanderay and Hentos would please the most players. If I maintain the current votes, and gain Barghast, Cast, Nimander, Demelain, Bek, Meanas, and Denul, we would have enough support.

Thoughts? This is the most likely choice for getting the most votes, in my opinion. If this doesn't suffice, I'm out of ideas.

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[Cast]

I have already submitted Hentos and Fanderay as my lynch choices. So if you do vote Lock that is who will be lynched.

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[Meanas]

Lock, on 27 August 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

Barghast, on 27 August 2013 - 09:11 AM, said:

Lock, on 27 August 2013 - 04:36 AM, said:

Meanas, on 27 August 2013 - 04:17 AM, said:

ok, peeps, here's your half hour warning. Then i'm off to sleep, and my lynch choices will be locked in.

[2]

Well, if I'm mayor I can choose Grasp as judge and lynch Demelain and Hanas. I'm ok with this if we don't hear from Demelain, as he was one of my supporters yesterday. If he doesn't show, then it won't matter.

Hanas is just as good a choice as anyone else, in my opinion.

So maybe you can pick two different choices, lock them in, and that way we will still have some ability to make a choice. We could hopefully even say, at this point, if I'm elected, I'll go with either Meanas or Grasp, by letting popular vote decide after more time has passed. This gives EVERYONE the ability to decide from at least two sets of choices, and I'll submit to choosing one or the other for sure.

What do you think? More choices would help fight any notions that the few of us are working together with some malicious agenda.

Grasp, your choices are in. Any thoughts on two others that Meanas can lock in?

I think you're misunderstanding the election process here.

Tapper, on 14 August 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

5. Player Statuses
a. Mayor
Each day, players elect a Mayor. The only task of the Mayor is to nominate a Judge, but since the Judge determines who is lynched, the Mayor is quite important. The rules for Mayor are as follows:
1) at the latest, you must nominate your Judge during your first log-on after the mods call for the end of Wagers (This will be done by posting Rien ne va Plus on thread).
2) If you fail to do this, the player with the next most votes will become Mayor.
3) You may not elect yourself as Judge.
4) Nothing prevents you from publishing your choice for Judge on thread; nothing prevents you from lying about your nomination, either.
5) Other player's abilities can affect your choice.

b. Judge
Each day, the Mayor elects a Judge. The only task of the Judge is to decide which player will be lynched, so the Judge is quite important. The rules for the Judge are as follows:
1) at the latest, you must select your selected lynch target during your first log-on after the mods call for the end of Wagers (this will be done by posting Rien ne va Plus on thread).
2) If you fail to do this, there will be no lynch and the Judge on the next day gets to lynch 2 players.
3) Nothing prevents you from publishing your choice for the lynch on thread; nothing prevents you from lying about your choice, either.
4) Other player's abilities can affect your choice.

So, you have to defined a target for Judge/Lynch, not a couple of choices which you'll later clarify, were you able to clarify between two Judges at a later point there'd be no point to the RNVP mechanic. Your choices must be set in stone during your first log-on after RNVP is called.

This does of course present a potential tactic - go away and do not read thread, get elected, pick who you want in your first log-in 1 hour before Day times out. Potentially a more informed decision. Of course PS may object that if you're elected during Day progress then you had no choices in so it falls to the next candidate, but if you're held at L-1 it should work with you hammering yourself. There's also the chance they forget to log in in time so a backup would be needed with 1 vote on them and someone else to hammer to get the election past the post.

[1]

I follow this, and do see the misunderstanding of the mechanic. With my strategy, I was thinking that if I was elected mayor, I'd be able to choose either Grasp(thus Hanas and Demelain as lynchees) or another player with two different lynchees, and that I would be able to choose the judge most preferred by the thread. So I see what you were trying to tell me here. That in combination with PS saying I needed to go ahead and submit my choices changed things slightly.

This is what I've come up with. When I was going to choose grasp as judge, I received three votes. (liosan, grasp, lock) I wanted to try to choose a path that would let me keep these couple votes, and also have a chance at being agreeable with Meanas, Bek, Barghast, and Denul. (Who had been leaning towards voting me)

Grasp mentioned being alright with a judge that lynches Hentos and Nimander, as possible alternatives.
Nimander agreed with Hentos, Hanas, and Fanderay as lynchees.
Cast agreed with Hentos and Fanderay.
Demelain agreed with Hentos, Hanas, and Merrid.(although Meanas was against a Merrid choice)

Therefore, given the PS deadline, I submitted Cast as choice for Judge, as his saying he'd choose to lynch Fanderay and Hentos would please the most players. If I maintain the current votes, and gain Barghast, Cast, Nimander, Demelain, Bek, Meanas, and Denul, we would have enough support.

Thoughts? This is the most likely choice for getting the most votes, in my opinion. If this doesn't suffice, I'm out of ideas.

(0)

you are putting Hentos on the chopping block after having talked to him? interesting...

[2]

[Jalan]

Lock, on 27 August 2013 - 06:04 AM, said:

Fanderay, on 27 August 2013 - 05:41 AM, said:

Is it just me or do people seem way cozy with each other andi very willing to work to get themselves elected mayor? Hmmmm seems like a very familiar senario as yesterday. Why did that make me look uber suspicious but noone else is batting an eye when others do it?

Kettle Pot Black anyone?

Frankly I think we need a lynch if for no otehr reason than to keep the total people lynchable by a Judge to a minimum. I'd be willing to throw my vote in if it means we can get a lynch and the Judge candidate is acceptable to me. I would really like to have some time to look at who was stating they were okay about letting the lynches build up every couple of days. I think one of those people should be lynched but alas I just don't ahve the time to dig back through the posts to find out who they were. According to Jalan it wasn't him.

Hopefully someone can take a look at that for me. Hell I would seriously consider throwing my vote their way for mayor if they did.

For now I'm out for the night.

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I think you are perfectly right with this line of thought. There's no reason to trust me or anyone, but we do agree that we need a lynch this time, which does mean we need a mayor. That's why I have went about this entire scenario the best way I think possible. I spent resources voting myself, and opening a comm to ask for support. I put myself out there for scrutiny. I have to reveal much more than players only having to vote, and much much more than those not voting at all. I am forced to compromise with players who could be friend or for, and select a judge who doesn't even have to tell the truth about whom he chooses to lynch. Right now, I'm even having to lean towards Grasp, even though I'd prefer Demelain not be one of the lynchees, but as Mayor, I won't have my way entirely. I've tried to make it as clear as possible that I'll choose a judge that, so far, every single player agrees with. If I screw this up, I doubt I'll be able to be Mayor again, and even placed on some lists I'd rather not be on.

My gain? The XP. I want it, and think it is worth gaining, as I am limited in other ways to gain XP. If I conduct this well, and hold my word, maybe I garner trust for future Mayor or Judge candidate. Mostly, because we got nowhere yesterday, and if someone doesnt step up, I don't see us getting anywhere again.

Can you really find fault in my method so far? The only main fact is who ends up lynched, and I'm being as open as possible to all notions, while at the same time showing loyalty to those already vouching for me.

I like your input, but not the fact that you have posted and bailed. I have been as open-minded to nearly everyone this day, but I don't really like the tone of this post, Fanderay. You either skimmed over the last page, or are missing something. I think I've done about as well a job as possible so far. Who would you like as lynchees?

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You act as if you are the only one to push an election today when I spent the first third of the day doing just that. But hey, who cares right, nothing I have to say actually matters or is worth reading or paying attention to.

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Meanas, on 27 August 2013 - 12:38 PM, said:

Lock, on 27 August 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

Barghast, on 27 August 2013 - 09:11 AM, said:

Lock, on 27 August 2013 - 04:36 AM, said:

Meanas, on 27 August 2013 - 04:17 AM, said:

ok, peeps, here's your half hour warning. Then i'm off to sleep, and my lynch choices will be locked in.

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Well, if I'm mayor I can choose Grasp as judge and lynch Demelain and Hanas. I'm ok with this if we don't hear from Demelain, as he was one of my supporters yesterday. If he doesn't show, then it won't matter.

Hanas is just as good a choice as anyone else, in my opinion.

So maybe you can pick two different choices, lock them in, and that way we will still have some ability to make a choice. We could hopefully even say, at this point, if I'm elected, I'll go with either Meanas or Grasp, by letting popular vote decide after more time has passed. This gives EVERYONE the ability to decide from at least two sets of choices, and I'll submit to choosing one or the other for sure.

What do you think? More choices would help fight any notions that the few of us are working together with some malicious agenda.

Grasp, your choices are in. Any thoughts on two others that Meanas can lock in?

I think you're misunderstanding the election process here.

Tapper, on 14 August 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

5. Player Statuses
a. Mayor
Each day, players elect a Mayor. The only task of the Mayor is to nominate a Judge, but since the Judge determines who is lynched, the Mayor is quite important. The rules for Mayor are as follows:
1) at the latest, you must nominate your Judge during your first log-on after the mods call for the end of Wagers (This will be done by posting Rien ne va Plus on thread).
2) If you fail to do this, the player with the next most votes will become Mayor.
3) You may not elect yourself as Judge.
4) Nothing prevents you from publishing your choice for Judge on thread; nothing prevents you from lying about your nomination, either.
5) Other player's abilities can affect your choice.

b. Judge
Each day, the Mayor elects a Judge. The only task of the Judge is to decide which player will be lynched, so the Judge is quite important. The rules for the Judge are as follows:
1) at the latest, you must select your selected lynch target during your first log-on after the mods call for the end of Wagers (this will be done by posting Rien ne va Plus on thread).
2) If you fail to do this, there will be no lynch and the Judge on the next day gets to lynch 2 players.
3) Nothing prevents you from publishing your choice for the lynch on thread; nothing prevents you from lying about your choice, either.
4) Other player's abilities can affect your choice.

So, you have to defined a target for Judge/Lynch, not a couple of choices which you'll later clarify, were you able to clarify between two Judges at a later point there'd be no point to the RNVP mechanic. Your choices must be set in stone during your first log-on after RNVP is called.

This does of course present a potential tactic - go away and do not read thread, get elected, pick who you want in your first log-in 1 hour before Day times out. Potentially a more informed decision. Of course PS may object that if you're elected during Day progress then you had no choices in so it falls to the next candidate, but if you're held at L-1 it should work with you hammering yourself. There's also the chance they forget to log in in time so a backup would be needed with 1 vote on them and someone else to hammer to get the election past the post.

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I follow this, and do see the misunderstanding of the mechanic. With my strategy, I was thinking that if I was elected mayor, I'd be able to choose either Grasp(thus Hanas and Demelain as lynchees) or another player with two different lynchees, and that I would be able to choose the judge most preferred by the thread. So I see what you were trying to tell me here. That in combination with PS saying I needed to go ahead and submit my choices changed things slightly.

This is what I've come up with. When I was going to choose grasp as judge, I received three votes. (liosan, grasp, lock) I wanted to try to choose a path that would let me keep these couple votes, and also have a chance at being agreeable with Meanas, Bek, Barghast, and Denul. (Who had been leaning towards voting me)

Grasp mentioned being alright with a judge that lynches Hentos and Nimander, as possible alternatives.
Nimander agreed with Hentos, Hanas, and Fanderay as lynchees.
Cast agreed with Hentos and Fanderay.
Demelain agreed with Hentos, Hanas, and Merrid.(although Meanas was against a Merrid choice)

Therefore, given the PS deadline, I submitted Cast as choice for Judge, as his saying he'd choose to lynch Fanderay and Hentos would please the most players. If I maintain the current votes, and gain Barghast, Cast, Nimander, Demelain, Bek, Meanas, and Denul, we would have enough support.

Thoughts? This is the most likely choice for getting the most votes, in my opinion. If this doesn't suffice, I'm out of ideas.

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you are putting Hentos on the chopping block after having talked to him? interesting...

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It's not a situation I'd prefer to be in, but I'm really trying to compromise with many different players. Hentos was a very popular choice for lynchee. I could either refuse to place him on the docket, and still be trying to find the best choice for judge, or make the tough decision and try to please the highest number of players. I was hoping to be able to keep your support, and kept in mind your saying you wouldn't want Merrid on the docket, thus no Demelain. I wasn't left with many other options as only a handful of players had made it public knowledge their choices for lynchees.

Is this not acceptable? I stayed as close to the desires made by you, grasp, and anyone else being vocal as possible.

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Lock, on 27 August 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

I follow this, and do see the misunderstanding of the mechanic. With my strategy, I was thinking that if I was elected mayor, I'd be able to choose either Grasp(thus Hanas and Demelain as lynchees) or another player with two different lynchees, and that I would be able to choose the judge most preferred by the thread. So I see what you were trying to tell me here. That in combination with PS saying I needed to go ahead and submit my choices changed things slightly.

This is what I've come up with. When I was going to choose grasp as judge, I received three votes. (liosan, grasp, lock) I wanted to try to choose a path that would let me keep these couple votes, and also have a chance at being agreeable with Meanas, Bek, Barghast, and Denul. (Who had been leaning towards voting me)

Grasp mentioned being alright with a judge that lynches Hentos and Nimander, as possible alternatives.
Nimander agreed with Hentos, Hanas, and Fanderay as lynchees.
Cast agreed with Hentos and Fanderay.
Demelain agreed with Hentos, Hanas, and Merrid.(although Meanas was against a Merrid choice)

Therefore, given the PS deadline, I submitted Cast as choice for Judge, as his saying he'd choose to lynch Fanderay and Hentos would please the most players. If I maintain the current votes, and gain Barghast, Cast, Nimander, Demelain, Bek, Meanas, and Denul, we would have enough support.

Thoughts? This is the most likely choice for getting the most votes, in my opinion. If this doesn't suffice, I'm out of ideas.

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I don't like lynching Fanderay alone, he has done nothing wrong and if we are going to lynch him , we should lynch Merrid at the same time to compare CFs.


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This post has been edited by Demelain: 27 August 2013 - 01:01 PM