[Barghast]

Tellan, on 08 August 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

Galain, on 08 August 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

Kansuke glanced towards the hut his overseer had withdrawn into, suddenly wary now the stream of fearful curses had stopped. He had prayed daily at the small shrine in the castle courtyard for guidance, perhaps it had been worth the beatings for not performing his duty upon the walls if it brought his master back into the fight. He looked back on the past week, grateful that the other samurai in the city had been so willing to overlook the constant curses and odd noises emerging from the overseers hut. Not to mention the occasional streaks of glaring blue lightning arcing through the windows and into the street beyond.

As Kansuke approached the portal he could hear a low voice muttering. It was coming from within, but the words made no sense. Something about changing the board of his mother? Replacing the central processesor? Surely his overseer wasn't behind the death of his own general? But that couldn't be, they had all seen the general fall, had all joined in the keening grief at the fall of such a hero to the treacherous Fujiwari hordes. There was something more - cursing a someone named Amazon - perhaps the housekeeper, Kansuke wasn't familiar with the details of the household. He drew nearer.

A cautious glace through the doorway revealed a bizarre scene, the overseer was crouched low over a metal box on the floor and seemed to be sewing together a collection of strange shaped objects with heavy threads, cackling as he did. Perhaps he had finally taken the final step into madness? Kansuke looked around, hopeful for some fellow soldiers to help him apprehend his leader. No-one was in sight, likely everyone had been drawn away by the latest attempt on the gates of the citadel. Offering a quick prayer to the local spirits Kansuke stepped into the room.

As his foot crossed the threshold, the overseer stood, placed a finger upon an ornate glyph painted on one side of the box and leapt back. The box began to make a low whirring noise, this apparently delighted the overseer who punched the air and screamed triumphantly at the walls. The scream cut short as the noises from the box stuttered, but only for a moment. Kansuke looked back at his overseer and jumped to find the man looking back at him. As he scrambled for an acceptable reason for intruding he realised he was being addressed.

"Go forth Kansuke and gather my squard, I shall review them in 5 hours," said the overseer, seemingly sane once more. "I've spent this last week cursing the fates that my greatest weapon failed me at a critical juncture, now, I have restored it to its fullest power. No longer shall I be crippled by the faults of this box. With the ability to view entire pages, and to hold open multiple tabs in my hand, once more shall great leaps of deductive reasoning win this battle for us. Now go!" As Kansuke ran to gather the rest of his squad he reflected to himself that maybe sanity had indeed slipped. Regardless, the overseer was active once more and he and his squad would take the fight to the enemy once again.

Wut?

Galain has a PC again.

[Alkend]

Barghast, on 08 August 2013 - 05:36 PM, said:

Alkend, on 08 August 2013 - 04:21 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 08 August 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

It is Day 8. 31 hours and 59 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Alkend, Barghast, Gait, Galain, Korbas, Mockra, Okaros, Tellan, Trake

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Alkend, Barghast, Gait, Galain, Korbas, Mockra, Okaros, Tellan, Trake

what
so
I have to ask
are there actually any killers

Fuck it. I think this is D-day. congrats, scum if you've been withholding. You've gotten me to blink first.

I am Captain Nagao Tamemasa. After my commanding officer came down with a mortal case of suicidal stupid, I believe i'm the CO of Edo castle.

I am also a guard. my guard also functions as a limited find, because I am told whether or not I successfully targeted my target (no word on whether the guard actually worked though, obv). I take this as a lkimited find, b/c it helps me to identify who's around Edo (since it would make no sense for me to be able to guard people in Arai).

Night 1 I guarded Alkend, b/c he escaped a lynch. I was told I failed, and next day he revealed to be in Arai

Night 2 I guarded Rashan. I successfully targetted him, but there were 2 deaths that night. since then I've been hinting thhat I think Rash is inno.

After night 3 onwards I've been guarding Tellan. Since then we've had no NKs in Edo except for Kalse kill (claimed by Rash)

So here it is. I got nothing else to play. if scum have been fucking with us, good job. but 4 nights in a row seems a longshot.

so.

vote Tellan

Holy crap. You've been saving everyone's ass.
Let's finish this up.

Vote Tellan.

[Barghast]

Alkend, on 08 August 2013 - 05:56 PM, said:

Barghast, on 08 August 2013 - 05:36 PM, said:

Alkend, on 08 August 2013 - 04:21 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 08 August 2013 - 04:19 PM, said:

It is Day 8. 31 hours and 59 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Alkend, Barghast, Gait, Galain, Korbas, Mockra, Okaros, Tellan, Trake

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Alkend, Barghast, Gait, Galain, Korbas, Mockra, Okaros, Tellan, Trake

what
so
I have to ask
are there actually any killers

Fuck it. I think this is D-day. congrats, scum if you've been withholding. You've gotten me to blink first.

I am Captain Nagao Tamemasa. After my commanding officer came down with a mortal case of suicidal stupid, I believe i'm the CO of Edo castle.

I am also a guard. my guard also functions as a limited find, because I am told whether or not I successfully targeted my target (no word on whether the guard actually worked though, obv). I take this as a lkimited find, b/c it helps me to identify who's around Edo (since it would make no sense for me to be able to guard people in Arai).

Night 1 I guarded Alkend, b/c he escaped a lynch. I was told I failed, and next day he revealed to be in Arai

Night 2 I guarded Rashan. I successfully targetted him, but there were 2 deaths that night. since then I've been hinting thhat I think Rash is inno.

After night 3 onwards I've been guarding Tellan. Since then we've had no NKs in Edo except for Kalse kill (claimed by Rash)

So here it is. I got nothing else to play. if scum have been fucking with us, good job. but 4 nights in a row seems a longshot.

so.

vote Tellan

Holy crap. You've been saving everyone's ass.
Let's finish this up.

Vote Tellan.

I don't think it will be that easy. There's still an Arai killer out there, since someone killed Vengeance.

But i'm pretty sure at this point that there are 2 killers--one the general besieging Arai, the other one Besieging Edo. And unless the latter's the most unlucky killer in the history of Mafia, it has to be Tellan.

[Trake]

Well then. That's an interesting turn of events. I suppose I'll
vote Tellan

[Tellan]

I'm Takeda Ishimitsu, the Takeda Spy. I'm an independent, and a survivor. I have a dual ability. I can redirect actions targetting me onto someone else, and I do a find on whoever I'm redirecting actions onto. I found Lio town night one, Barghast night 2, and Korbas scum night 3. Since then, I've been redirecting all actions on me onto Korbas since then, because no killer would kill himself or another killer. Since I'm an independent, and a survivor, I decided to try to lay low, and not draw too much attention to myself. I guess that's what made Barghy suspicious in the first place.

[Tellan]

Oh, and

Vote Korbas

[Barghast]

Tellan, on 08 August 2013 - 06:38 PM, said:

I'm Takeda Ishimitsu, the Takeda Spy. I'm an independent, and a survivor. I have a dual ability. I can redirect actions targetting me onto someone else, and I do a find on whoever I'm redirecting actions onto. I found Lio town night one, Barghast night 2, and Korbas scum night 3. Since then, I've been redirecting all actions on me onto Korbas since then, because no killer would kill himself or another killer. Since I'm an independent, and a survivor, I decided to try to lay low, and not draw too much attention to myself. I guess that's what made Barghy suspicious in the first place.

lying too low. Now I want to hear from Mockra, since he was mentioning Takeda spies.

[Barghast]

remove vote

so as to avoid a scum speedlynch

Tellan, are you free to move b/w castles?

[Gnaw]

It is Day 8. 29 hours and 26 minutes remaining

9 Players still alive: Alkend, Barghast, Gait, Galain, Korbas, Mockra, Okaros, Tellan, Trake

5 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Korbas ( Tellan )
2 Votes for Tellan ( Alkend, Trake )

Players not voted: Barghast, Gait, Galain, Korbas, Mockra, Okaros

[Tellan]

Barghast, on 08 August 2013 - 06:51 PM, said:

remove vote

so as to avoid a scum speedlynch

Tellan, are you free to move b/w castles?

I believe so. My actions have been succeeding every night, so I assume it's because unlike the defenders (who probably can only affect those in their castle or the killers) or the killers themselves (who probably can only attack the castle they're attacking), I'm just a lowly spy, and can go between places (IE sneaking into castles, into the Fuji army camps).

Shin never explicitly stated it, but he never stated we could only affect those in the same castle either, so I assume the answer is yes.

[Barghast]

Tellan, on 08 August 2013 - 06:56 PM, said:

Barghast, on 08 August 2013 - 06:51 PM, said:

remove vote

so as to avoid a scum speedlynch

Tellan, are you free to move b/w castles?

I believe so. My actions have been succeeding every night, so I assume it's because unlike the defenders (who probably can only affect those in their castle or the killers) or the killers themselves (who probably can only attack the castle they're attacking), I'm just a lowly spy, and can go between places (IE sneaking into castles, into the Fuji army camps).

Shin never explicitly stated it, but he never stated we could only affect those in the same castle either, so I assume the answer is yes.

hmm
either that or you can affect both, but be affected by both. My action on you has been successful all game.

I'm leaning towards testing your reveal, though I can't help but wonder why you haven't tried making a Korbas case all this time.

[Tellan]

Had I made a case on Korbas, in all honesty it really wouldn't have picked up much steam imo, because he's played a pretty good game. The only possible slip I noticed was swinging the train onto someone who CFed town, and even that does not a worthy case make. So I kept laying low, and didn't make a case on Korbas so I wouldn't be noticed as someone making a case on someone who has been playing a game where he seems very non-scummy, and was likely to be believed over me, who both you and eloth shown suspicion on earlier on in the game, from actually about the same time I found Korbas to be scum. Plus, as you began to focus more and more on me, any case on someone who no-one else saw as suspicious would just seem like a desperate deflection. Instead, I went after someone who both acted scummily, and who I genuinely thought, and still think, is at least a symp, if not a killer tasting victory.

[Barghast]

Tellan, on 08 August 2013 - 07:27 PM, said:

Had I made a case on Korbas, in all honesty it really wouldn't have picked up much steam imo, because he's played a pretty good game. The only possible slip I noticed was swinging the train onto someone who CFed town, and even that does not a worthy case make. So I kept laying low, and didn't make a case on Korbas so I wouldn't be noticed as someone making a case on someone who has been playing a game where he seems very non-scummy, and was likely to be believed over me, who both you and eloth shown suspicion on earlier on in the game, from actually about the same time I found Korbas to be scum. Plus, as you began to focus more and more on me, any case on someone who no-one else saw as suspicious would just seem like a desperate deflection. Instead, I went after someone who both acted scummily, and who I genuinely thought, and still think, is at least a symp, if not a killer tasting victory.

only having 50 posts in a 1100+ post game must help him seem legit, too.

matter of fact my WCS was having Korbas and Okaros as scum. I'd be at a loss what to do then.

Looks like now we're waiting on input from others.

given you're a survivor, you realize I have to question your motives, ofc. AFAIK, Survivor can with with either town or scum.

[Tellan]

Barghast, on 08 August 2013 - 07:43 PM, said:

Tellan, on 08 August 2013 - 07:27 PM, said:

Had I made a case on Korbas, in all honesty it really wouldn't have picked up much steam imo, because he's played a pretty good game. The only possible slip I noticed was swinging the train onto someone who CFed town, and even that does not a worthy case make. So I kept laying low, and didn't make a case on Korbas so I wouldn't be noticed as someone making a case on someone who has been playing a game where he seems very non-scummy, and was likely to be believed over me, who both you and eloth shown suspicion on earlier on in the game, from actually about the same time I found Korbas to be scum. Plus, as you began to focus more and more on me, any case on someone who no-one else saw as suspicious would just seem like a desperate deflection. Instead, I went after someone who both acted scummily, and who I genuinely thought, and still think, is at least a symp, if not a killer tasting victory.

only having 50 posts in a 1100+ post game must help him seem legit, too.

matter of fact my WCS was having Korbas and Okaros as scum. I'd be at a loss what to do then.

Looks like now we're waiting on input from others.

given you're a survivor, you realize I have to question your motives, ofc. AFAIK, Survivor can with with either town or scum.

I understand. My motives for revealing are twofold:

1. I was going to be lynched (and as a survivor, I can't have that)

2. I found one of the killers (I assume, like you, there are 2). With only one killer left, and with any connections we can drag up from Korbas' posts, town can win.

And my motive for siding with town, also, is twofold:

1. It makes sense historically. The Fujiwari are the most powerful people, and they're all out conquering Japan. The Uesugi and Miura are defending. The more weakened the Fuji are, the better it is for the Takeda in future games.

2. I found one of the killers. Trying to hide Korbas, or defending him if he ever got pressure would link me to him, make my reveal be less believed (and more likely to not stop my lynch) and therefore less beneficial to my VC. But helping the majority keeps me less likely to be lynched, and therefore, more likely to survive and win.

[Korbas]

I find it somewhat suspicious that Barghast made his case on Tellan, then so quickly changes his mind, on the flimsiest of defences. We've had no mention all game of any independent roles, which is something Shin should have put in the OP. A redirect ability plus find every night seems overpowered in this game, particularly as it's TDMI 3. Also, Barghast, how does your theory that you have been preventing NKs hold up against this reveal? Because surely if you weren't guarding scum there should have been at least another NK since you started guarding Tellan.

I'm RI. Any other time, I would have said sure, test the reveal, being lynched to help get more information is part of what I'm here for. But this close to the end of the game, it's a wasted lynch, and potentially end game. We can't lynch simply to test a reveal. You guys should only vote me if you actually think I'm scum.

Swinging a lynch train isn't scummy in and of itself. I don't know who is inno and who is scum. I have no information other than what castle I belong to. Eloth seemed like the best choice to me, and at the time I left Eloth and Tellan had three votes each, which I would argue is not me swinging the lynch at all. If anything, that would be Gait, who removed from Tellan and voted Eloth. Then again, we've been pointing to him as a symp all game, so that is maybe something that the players voting after Gait should have considered.

[Barghast]

Tellan, on 08 August 2013 - 07:56 PM, said:

Barghast, on 08 August 2013 - 07:43 PM, said:

Tellan, on 08 August 2013 - 07:27 PM, said:

Had I made a case on Korbas, in all honesty it really wouldn't have picked up much steam imo, because he's played a pretty good game. The only possible slip I noticed was swinging the train onto someone who CFed town, and even that does not a worthy case make. So I kept laying low, and didn't make a case on Korbas so I wouldn't be noticed as someone making a case on someone who has been playing a game where he seems very non-scummy, and was likely to be believed over me, who both you and eloth shown suspicion on earlier on in the game, from actually about the same time I found Korbas to be scum. Plus, as you began to focus more and more on me, any case on someone who no-one else saw as suspicious would just seem like a desperate deflection. Instead, I went after someone who both acted scummily, and who I genuinely thought, and still think, is at least a symp, if not a killer tasting victory.

only having 50 posts in a 1100+ post game must help him seem legit, too.

matter of fact my WCS was having Korbas and Okaros as scum. I'd be at a loss what to do then.

Looks like now we're waiting on input from others.

given you're a survivor, you realize I have to question your motives, ofc. AFAIK, Survivor can with with either town or scum.

I understand. My motives for revealing are twofold:

1. I was going to be lynched (and as a survivor, I can't have that)

2. I found one of the killers (I assume, like you, there are 2). With only one killer left, and with any connections we can drag up from Korbas' posts, town can win.

And my motive for siding with town, also, is twofold:

1. It makes sense historically. The Fujiwari are the most powerful people, and they're all out conquering Japan. The Uesugi and Miura are defending. The more weakened the Fuji are, the better it is for the Takeda in future games.

2. I found one of the killers. Trying to hide Korbas, or defending him if he ever got pressure would link me to him, make my reveal be less believed (and more likely to not stop my lynch) and therefore less beneficial to my VC. But helping the majority keeps me less likely to be lynched, and therefore, more likely to survive and win.

because i'm a suspicious mofo, i can also see the motivation in giving us a town to lynch, hoping that I get taken out at night now that i've revealed, and you'd wiin with Fujis. We're still only guessing as to how many Fujis are out there. Because of that I'm reluctant to lynch you right now, since you may be that 1 body we need to prevent Fuji from achieving parity. If we were still 10 strong I'd lynch you in a heartbeat.

And, once again, I wanna hear from Mockra about the Takeda spy.

[Barghast]

Korbas, on 08 August 2013 - 07:58 PM, said:

I find it somewhat suspicious that Barghast made his case on Tellan, then so quickly changes his mind, on the flimsiest of defences. We've had no mention all game of any independent roles, which is something Shin should have put in the OP. A redirect ability plus find every night seems overpowered in this game, particularly as it's TDMI 3. Also, Barghast, how does your theory that you have been preventing NKs hold up against this reveal? Because surely if you weren't guarding scum there should have been at least another NK since you started guarding Tellan.

I'm RI. Any other time, I would have said sure, test the reveal, being lynched to help get more information is part of what I'm here for. But this close to the end of the game, it's a wasted lynch, and potentially end game. We can't lynch simply to test a reveal. You guys should only vote me if you actually think I'm scum.

Swinging a lynch train isn't scummy in and of itself. I don't know who is inno and who is scum. I have no information other than what castle I belong to. Eloth seemed like the best choice to me, and at the time I left Eloth and Tellan had three votes each, which I would argue is not me swinging the lynch at all. If anything, that would be Gait, who removed from Tellan and voted Eloth. Then again, we've been pointing to him as a symp all game, so that is maybe something that the players voting after Gait should have considered.

I haven't fully changed my mind. I removed my vote to avoid a quick lynch, so that we have more time to examine this info. in particular, because the Takeda spy was mentioned yesterday. If there's nothing better, I may still vote Tellan. I am undecided atm.

[Korbas]

Tellan, on 08 August 2013 - 07:56 PM, said:

Barghast, on 08 August 2013 - 07:43 PM, said:

Tellan, on 08 August 2013 - 07:27 PM, said:

Had I made a case on Korbas, in all honesty it really wouldn't have picked up much steam imo, because he's played a pretty good game. The only possible slip I noticed was swinging the train onto someone who CFed town, and even that does not a worthy case make. So I kept laying low, and didn't make a case on Korbas so I wouldn't be noticed as someone making a case on someone who has been playing a game where he seems very non-scummy, and was likely to be believed over me, who both you and eloth shown suspicion on earlier on in the game, from actually about the same time I found Korbas to be scum. Plus, as you began to focus more and more on me, any case on someone who no-one else saw as suspicious would just seem like a desperate deflection. Instead, I went after someone who both acted scummily, and who I genuinely thought, and still think, is at least a symp, if not a killer tasting victory.

only having 50 posts in a 1100+ post game must help him seem legit, too.

matter of fact my WCS was having Korbas and Okaros as scum. I'd be at a loss what to do then.

Looks like now we're waiting on input from others.

given you're a survivor, you realize I have to question your motives, ofc. AFAIK, Survivor can with with either town or scum.

I understand. My motives for revealing are twofold:

1. I was going to be lynched (and as a survivor, I can't have that)

2. I found one of the killers (I assume, like you, there are 2). With only one killer left, and with any connections we can drag up from Korbas' posts, town can win.

And my motive for siding with town, also, is twofold:

1. It makes sense historically. The Fujiwari are the most powerful people, and they're all out conquering Japan. The Uesugi and Miura are defending. The more weakened the Fuji are, the better it is for the Takeda in future games.

2. I found one of the killers. Trying to hide Korbas, or defending him if he ever got pressure would link me to him, make my reveal be less believed (and more likely to not stop my lynch) and therefore less beneficial to my VC. But helping the majority keeps me less likely to be lynched, and therefore, more likely to survive and win.

This is rubbish. It makes sense historically? Who on earth cares about historical accuracy when we're playing mafia?

For the second point, there is absolutely no reason why he couldn't have revealed earlier in the game. Had he revealed as survivor, and pointed to me, I would have been lynched, because that is what we do with reveals. After that point, town would have had a PI-ed player, and one that we knew had finds. Town would have had a vested interest in keeping him alive, and if he can redirect actions onto other players then he couldn't have been NKed.

[Korbas]

In fact, as the survivor, had he revealed and been correct, he would have been protected from both town and scum, and would have cruised to victory.

That is a broken role.

[Barghast]

Korbas, on 08 August 2013 - 08:04 PM, said:

Tellan, on 08 August 2013 - 07:56 PM, said:

Barghast, on 08 August 2013 - 07:43 PM, said:

Tellan, on 08 August 2013 - 07:27 PM, said:

Had I made a case on Korbas, in all honesty it really wouldn't have picked up much steam imo, because he's played a pretty good game. The only possible slip I noticed was swinging the train onto someone who CFed town, and even that does not a worthy case make. So I kept laying low, and didn't make a case on Korbas so I wouldn't be noticed as someone making a case on someone who has been playing a game where he seems very non-scummy, and was likely to be believed over me, who both you and eloth shown suspicion on earlier on in the game, from actually about the same time I found Korbas to be scum. Plus, as you began to focus more and more on me, any case on someone who no-one else saw as suspicious would just seem like a desperate deflection. Instead, I went after someone who both acted scummily, and who I genuinely thought, and still think, is at least a symp, if not a killer tasting victory.

only having 50 posts in a 1100+ post game must help him seem legit, too.

matter of fact my WCS was having Korbas and Okaros as scum. I'd be at a loss what to do then.

Looks like now we're waiting on input from others.

given you're a survivor, you realize I have to question your motives, ofc. AFAIK, Survivor can with with either town or scum.

I understand. My motives for revealing are twofold:

1. I was going to be lynched (and as a survivor, I can't have that)

2. I found one of the killers (I assume, like you, there are 2). With only one killer left, and with any connections we can drag up from Korbas' posts, town can win.

And my motive for siding with town, also, is twofold:

1. It makes sense historically. The Fujiwari are the most powerful people, and they're all out conquering Japan. The Uesugi and Miura are defending. The more weakened the Fuji are, the better it is for the Takeda in future games.

2. I found one of the killers. Trying to hide Korbas, or defending him if he ever got pressure would link me to him, make my reveal be less believed (and more likely to not stop my lynch) and therefore less beneficial to my VC. But helping the majority keeps me less likely to be lynched, and therefore, more likely to survive and win.

This is rubbish. It makes sense historically? Who on earth cares about historical accuracy when we're playing mafia?

For the second point, there is absolutely no reason why he couldn't have revealed earlier in the game. Had he revealed as survivor, and pointed to me, I would have been lynched, because that is what we do with reveals. After that point, town would have had a PI-ed player, and one that we knew had finds. Town would have had a vested interest in keeping him alive, and if he can redirect actions onto other players then he couldn't have been NKed.

this makes sense, actually. I was just thinking that I'm having a hard time believing Shin would put an unkillable role into a town v scum game.