[Rashan]

And I you, Tiammy, and I you.

[Pran Chole]

Oh fuck, they're back

[Monok Ochem]

Korbas, on 07 July 2013 - 05:02 PM, said:

What questions do you want me to answer?

I'm confused by the votes on me. I'm confused by the posts being posted at theed moment. Are you voting me for more information?

Why do you think the great furies will be good for anyone? One of them makes 5 damage to everyone on that tile.

The Great Furies could possibly, if used right, be one of the best weapons/defenses against the Vord infestation, albeit near end-game scenarios come to mind most clearly. The Vord are the only faction that it makes the most sense for actually having to be at and remain at certain tiles to 'infest.' This could prove a huge weakness near the end, or maybe sooner. Activating certain furies when certain tiles are close to being infested, or half infested, etc, could make perfect sense to anyone actually thinking about the game and at least trying to figure out some tactics from what is mostly an unknown model, at least for now.

Fener, on 07 July 2013 - 06:36 PM, said:

Blend, on 13 June 2013 - 11:17 PM, said:

If the Great Fury under Kalare is activated, all players on the Kalare tile excluding the player who activated it, will die.


If the Great Furies are not activated before the Vord Queen can infest the tile on which they are located, the Vord will receive a bonus for infesting a tile with a Great Fury on it

The bad things that happen, happen only to a small number of people though. Potentially only to the Vord stood on the tile infesting in given that Kalare doesn't kill the activator. The potential bonuses the Vord get could be game changing and bring them well back into contention. All in all I'm glad they went for Antillus over Kalare but can't help wondering why.

I would guess that since one of the two blue paths connect the 2 closest starting points for the Vord(Shuar and Narash) to Elinarch, that the blue paths are possibly only usable by the Vord, although I haven't tried using either one, so it's just a theory. Therefore, they chose to goto Antillus instead of Kalare so they could move over to Phyrgia, which seems like a better line of attack if you ask me. From Kalare they can only hit Ceres next, whereas from Phyrgia they can hit either Alera Imperia or Riva. It would also open up more paths for them, so we have to guess at their next tile, whereas if they were to infest Elinarch then straight to Kalare, then Ceres would become a possible bottleneck and obvious tile to defend against or attack them.

My guess is that they try to get Phyrgia with the most effort, then keep us guessing as to their next line - Alera Imperia, Riva, or back up over to try for Kalare once they think we think they're focused at Phyrgia.

[Emurlahn]

Ultama, on 07 July 2013 - 09:30 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 07 July 2013 - 09:12 PM, said:

...snip...

Zzzz, you're trying way too hard, Ult. I know what I can do and am only casually familiar with what other people can do. There are quite a few powers =o

Too lazy to read the OP? And really? You're not even remotely interested in what can be done to you? And of course I'm trying hard. I like winning.

Let me rephrase... you're trying too hard to get me to say something that I have no interest in revealing, like my faction, or my abilities. I'm quite interested in what can be done "to me." But there are 6+ furies each with a passive and an active, plus the whole shenanigans about movement, the great furies, basic (non fire) attacks, recruitment, infestation, and I'm sure plenty else. So no, I don't have the list of abilities for every fury memorized. Why memorize something you can simply look up?

[Emurlahn]

Ultama, on 07 July 2013 - 09:35 PM, said:

I targeted Korbas with the Active Fire Fury. My response from PS indicated that my target was out of range.

Since the ability says "no matter which tile they are on" I call that a strange result.

Well that is pretty interesting.

[Emurlahn]

So Korbas attacked Ult with a "regular attack" and Ult attacked Korbas with a "fire attack." Aren't you two a couple of cutie pies?

The main reason I haven't yet voted for Korbas is that I recently received information about Fener from a secret message. I don't completely trust random messages with no source, and have no idea who sent it or why, but I was informed that Fener is not a member of the First Aleran and thus he almost certainly cannot remove infestation. It puts me at odds with his earlier reveal that he could do just that.

I have no particular reason to believe he's lying... but I feel the same way about Korbas. I believe both of them, but I'm sure they are speaking in half-truths. The thing about Korbas is that he just speaks freely about everything. Fener has been a lot less forthcoming since his near lynch.

[Demelain]

Did we ever get proof about feners crochet burning abilities?

If he was lying about that then he's fair game for a lynch I'm thinking...

[Emurlahn]

Don't believe we have gotten any kind of proof. He said he attacked Alkend the night Alkend died, too.

[Korbas]

Just reading my role PM to see if there is anything there that may explain what you are on about Ultama and my last passive ability says that if I am attacked by a negative fury-aided attack the modifiers will not enhance the attack and then gives me an example about a metal crafter not gaining plus damage.

The thing is in a +10 TDMi game it could have been a number of reasons, you could have been guarded, I could have been healed etc. So it just looks like you are clutching at straws. In the early days of this game we were looking for Vord and actually found Vord, lately we are not looking for them and seem to be faction hunting. The difference in the early days as opposed to these days are that players like Ultama and Pran Chole have started to control the thread and the direction it is going with little add ons from players like Liosan who have had little snipes here and there. "scummy play" and "stupidity" being touted as reasons to vote rather than a looking for vord which was and should be a common cause.

So Mockra dies and Ultama pipes up and seems to be pushing a lynch train towards me, and claims that he has fire fury crafting abilities. Well if we are moving away from trying to find the Vord queen then how about go after Ultama who could be Mockra, or Ultama who could be a rebel.

I don't think I have the time to do this but can anyone see who was pushing the early lynches that turned up Vord and compare it to who is pushing lynches this day?

[Trake]

Fener, on 07 July 2013 - 04:22 PM, said:

Pran Chole, on 05 July 2013 - 10:07 PM, said:

Goddamn, bodies hitting floors. I guess the best thing about this is we now know that the CFs are probably all accurate. Also nice to see Mockra has not respawned. I think this lends credence to the theory that the number of unkillable alts at a time are related to the number of infested territories. I feel its extremely important therefore that anyone with earth fury access work very hard at fortifications.

Liosan, on 05 July 2013 - 08:18 PM, said:

So, any bets when we'll hear from Bargy again?

Possibly never?

Luckily this does seem to confirm we're just that good, alas for the lack of a Queen NA overnight. Agreed on respawning alts tied to number of infestations and I'm wondering at the slow rate at which fortifications are building up - only +8 in 4 whole Dawns? One of which was mine. So what has everyone else with Earth been doing?

I've fortified once (Phyrigia), but I've also been using other abilities. Mostly protecting myself from the asses who keep targeting me with attacks of varying shapes and forms.
And yes, I did say I don't have an earth fury. I actually only have one fury. I can fortify through other means.

Liosan, on 07 July 2013 - 07:45 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 07 July 2013 - 06:38 PM, said:

Also, Fener has admitted to attacking Alkend--which is good--but if Fener's claim days ago of "I'm a fire fury" is true, he can attack from anywhere on the map. Why on earth would we want to keep someone around who has a free attack?

Because tight now he can be useful to take out Vord?

and on top of that, we can always guard him.

If he can take out the creep and prove his worth, I can keep him alive until we're done with the Vord.

[Fener]

Demelain, on 08 July 2013 - 06:03 AM, said:

Did we ever get proof about feners crochet burning abilities?

If he was lying about that then he's fair game for a lynch I'm thinking...

That would require some numb-nuts not guarding me. As I see no sign of the results of my actions that is the only conclusion I can draw.

[Fener]

Korbas, on 08 July 2013 - 07:16 AM, said:

Just reading my role PM to see if there is anything there that may explain what you are on about Ultama and my last passive ability says that if I am attacked by a negative fury-aided attack the modifiers will not enhance the attack and then gives me an example about a metal crafter not gaining plus damage.

The thing is in a +10 TDMi game it could have been a number of reasons, you could have been guarded, I could have been healed etc. So it just looks like you are clutching at straws. In the early days of this game we were looking for Vord and actually found Vord, lately we are not looking for them and seem to be faction hunting. The difference in the early days as opposed to these days are that players like Ultama and Pran Chole have started to control the thread and the direction it is going with little add ons from players like Liosan who have had little snipes here and there. "scummy play" and "stupidity" being touted as reasons to vote rather than a looking for vord which was and should be a common cause.

So Mockra dies and Ultama pipes up and seems to be pushing a lynch train towards me, and claims that he has fire fury crafting abilities. Well if we are moving away from trying to find the Vord queen then how about go after Ultama who could be Mockra, or Ultama who could be a rebel.

I don't think I have the time to do this but can anyone see who was pushing the early lynches that turned up Vord and compare it to who is pushing lynches this day?

Just one point here - from the numbers the Rebels are the larger faction, larger faction is normally closest to town. So why hunt Rebels and not Loyalists Korbas?

[Fener]

Trake, on 08 July 2013 - 08:54 AM, said:

Fener, on 07 July 2013 - 04:22 PM, said:

Pran Chole, on 05 July 2013 - 10:07 PM, said:

Goddamn, bodies hitting floors. I guess the best thing about this is we now know that the CFs are probably all accurate. Also nice to see Mockra has not respawned. I think this lends credence to the theory that the number of unkillable alts at a time are related to the number of infested territories. I feel its extremely important therefore that anyone with earth fury access work very hard at fortifications.

Liosan, on 05 July 2013 - 08:18 PM, said:

So, any bets when we'll hear from Bargy again?

Possibly never?

Luckily this does seem to confirm we're just that good, alas for the lack of a Queen NA overnight. Agreed on respawning alts tied to number of infestations and I'm wondering at the slow rate at which fortifications are building up - only +8 in 4 whole Dawns? One of which was mine. So what has everyone else with Earth been doing?

I've fortified once (Phyrigia), but I've also been using other abilities. Mostly protecting myself from the asses who keep targeting me with attacks of varying shapes and forms.
And yes, I did say I don't have an earth fury. I actually only have one fury. I can fortify through other means.

Liosan, on 07 July 2013 - 07:45 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 07 July 2013 - 06:38 PM, said:

Also, Fener has admitted to attacking Alkend--which is good--but if Fener's claim days ago of "I'm a fire fury" is true, he can attack from anywhere on the map. Why on earth would we want to keep someone around who has a free attack?

Because tight now he can be useful to take out Vord?

and on top of that, we can always guard him.

If he can take out the creep and prove his worth, I can keep him alive until we're done with the Vord.

You can keep me alive? Whilst also keeping youself alive from all these Fury attacks you say you've been taking? Curious abilities for someone who says they have only 1 Fury. Does it provide a LP too? I do note you're one of those who we haven't proved has a vote that counts...

And Emurhlain, lets face it, you've got Fury envy. "He's got one I don't have, wah waaah waaaaa." Everyone else with Fire is no doubt finding it as useless as I indicated before - water is an inifinite BP. So non-Fire Fury attacks are really the only way to go, even if you have Fire.

[Korbas]

Fener, on 08 July 2013 - 09:36 AM, said:

Korbas, on 08 July 2013 - 07:16 AM, said:

Just reading my role PM to see if there is anything there that may explain what you are on about Ultama and my last passive ability says that if I am attacked by a negative fury-aided attack the modifiers will not enhance the attack and then gives me an example about a metal crafter not gaining plus damage.

The thing is in a +10 TDMi game it could have been a number of reasons, you could have been guarded, I could have been healed etc. So it just looks like you are clutching at straws. In the early days of this game we were looking for Vord and actually found Vord, lately we are not looking for them and seem to be faction hunting. The difference in the early days as opposed to these days are that players like Ultama and Pran Chole have started to control the thread and the direction it is going with little add ons from players like Liosan who have had little snipes here and there. "scummy play" and "stupidity" being touted as reasons to vote rather than a looking for vord which was and should be a common cause.

So Mockra dies and Ultama pipes up and seems to be pushing a lynch train towards me, and claims that he has fire fury crafting abilities. Well if we are moving away from trying to find the Vord queen then how about go after Ultama who could be Mockra, or Ultama who could be a rebel.

I don't think I have the time to do this but can anyone see who was pushing the early lynches that turned up Vord and compare it to who is pushing lynches this day?

Just one point here - from the numbers the Rebels are the larger faction, larger faction is normally closest to town. So why hunt Rebels and not Loyalists Korbas?

From what I understood that the rebels have the smaller but more powerful faction, just checking, and figuring out who is most likely to have the bigger firepower.

Quote

Rebels

Lead by Lord Kalarus Brencis, the Rebels seek to overthrow the current First Lord, Gaius Sextus, to place themselves on the throne. Though not as quick as the Loyalists, and working with considerably less information than the Loyalists, the Rebels are made up of many of the realm's strongest Furycrafters, making them a force to be reckoned with

Loyalists

Lead by Gaius Sextus, the Loyalists struggle to keep the rebels from attaining the throne of Alera Imperia. As the Rebels have more brute force, the Loyalists must rely on their quick movement abilities, better communications, and their furies to win.

Rebels look like they have more "power" where the Loyalists have more "information". Ultama says they craft fire which would be in the "power" bracket but I doubt him. I have doubted him since Mockra died. Then you have Pran Chole, going from quiet to accusatory. This day rubs me up the wrong way. They are making a play and I want to know why.

[Fener]

Korbas, on 08 July 2013 - 09:45 AM, said:

Fener, on 08 July 2013 - 09:36 AM, said:

Korbas, on 08 July 2013 - 07:16 AM, said:

Just reading my role PM to see if there is anything there that may explain what you are on about Ultama and my last passive ability says that if I am attacked by a negative fury-aided attack the modifiers will not enhance the attack and then gives me an example about a metal crafter not gaining plus damage.

The thing is in a +10 TDMi game it could have been a number of reasons, you could have been guarded, I could have been healed etc. So it just looks like you are clutching at straws. In the early days of this game we were looking for Vord and actually found Vord, lately we are not looking for them and seem to be faction hunting. The difference in the early days as opposed to these days are that players like Ultama and Pran Chole have started to control the thread and the direction it is going with little add ons from players like Liosan who have had little snipes here and there. "scummy play" and "stupidity" being touted as reasons to vote rather than a looking for vord which was and should be a common cause.

So Mockra dies and Ultama pipes up and seems to be pushing a lynch train towards me, and claims that he has fire fury crafting abilities. Well if we are moving away from trying to find the Vord queen then how about go after Ultama who could be Mockra, or Ultama who could be a rebel.

I don't think I have the time to do this but can anyone see who was pushing the early lynches that turned up Vord and compare it to who is pushing lynches this day?

Just one point here - from the numbers the Rebels are the larger faction, larger faction is normally closest to town. So why hunt Rebels and not Loyalists Korbas?

From what I understood that the rebels have the smaller but more powerful faction, just checking, and figuring out who is most likely to have the bigger firepower.

The lovely Day 4 information told us Rebels have the slight numerical advantage (due to the mod-kill) so I'm not expecting there to be any overly-powerful roles amongst either side - Loyalists and Rebels have the chance of different styles of play - Rebels, if they do indeed have significantly stronger firepower could simply blast away at random targets till someone drops dead and CFs as Vord, this is potentially what we're seeing with the last CFs. Loyalists are faster - if you expect movement to be making that much of a difference then I imagine you're thinking most Loyalists have Wood Furies, giving them a ranged basic attack. Loyalists are described as having better communication and "[..] furies to win" so I would expect more lovers and finders and a coherent guidance of thread towards the found targets based on that. Now if this is how it is working the guidance exerted currently seems to be taking your head off.

Korbas, on 08 July 2013 - 09:45 AM, said:

Quote

Rebels

Lead by Lord Kalarus Brencis, the Rebels seek to overthrow the current First Lord, Gaius Sextus, to place themselves on the throne. Though not as quick as the Loyalists, and working with considerably less information than the Loyalists, the Rebels are made up of many of the realm's strongest Furycrafters, making them a force to be reckoned with

Loyalists

Lead by Gaius Sextus, the Loyalists struggle to keep the rebels from attaining the throne of Alera Imperia. As the Rebels have more brute force, the Loyalists must rely on their quick movement abilities, better communications, and their furies to win.

Rebels look like they have more "power" where the Loyalists have more "information". Ultama says they craft fire which would be in the "power" bracket but I doubt him. I have doubted him since Mockra died. Then you have Pran Chole, going from quiet to accusatory. This day rubs me up the wrong way. They are making a play and I want to know why.

Again, you're assuming it is the Rebels making a play here, rather than informed Loyalists who have some dirt on you.

[Trake]

Fener, on 08 July 2013 - 09:43 AM, said:

You can keep me alive? Whilst also keeping youself alive from all these Fury attacks you say you've been taking? Curious abilities for someone who says they have only 1 Fury. Does it provide a LP too? I do note you're one of those who we haven't proved has a vote that counts...

And Emurhlain, lets face it, you've got Fury envy. "He's got one I don't have, wah waaah waaaaa." Everyone else with Fire is no doubt finding it as useless as I indicated before - water is an inifinite BP. So non-Fire Fury attacks are really the only way to go, even if you have Fire.

Like I said earlier, I have no offensive abilities. To make up for it, my one fury makes me pretty damn hard to kill. No lynch proof, though.
And fine.
Vote Korbas

[Korbas]

Okay I'll have a look at Fener, this post

Fener, on 24 June 2013 - 01:27 PM, said:

Korbas, on 24 June 2013 - 01:24 PM, said:

Looks to be 22 alts, yet only 17 signed up, there were some late additions. PS can you update the sign up list? If someone wants to remain anonymous then you can just add that to the list.

There was enough later additions to take it to 20 so not quite so bad

Plays down the fact that we have 2 extra alts.

early on in day one when we had no information

Fener, on 25 June 2013 - 04:11 PM, said:

Game started at Day 1 so their was no Night phase for Dawn actions to be submitted in.

Some actions may be passive - simply by a player being in a location at the start of day an affect is had.

So for instance the Vord Queen may cause instant complete infestation by performing an action on a spot whereas a Keeper cause +5 per Day phase.

Not only mentions Vord Queen with familiarity but then throws out keeper knowledge early on.

Says that there is more than one Vord in this next post. Debates mechanics with Tellan.

Fener, on 25 June 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

Erm, because one* would assume the Queen starts in the infested tile? Being Queen and all? Keeper seemed the most likely of the 4 on the wiki for subsidiary role(s)** names given that the Vord aim is to spread creep, not to take out people. +5 pre day phase because.. let me see, we have started day phase and we have a mysterious +5 infestation on a tile already. It's that simple.

Brains on people.


*Okay, I
**The modification made when 20 people rather than 17 were in makes it quite clear we have more than one Vord if anyone was in any doubt before.

Fener says here that Rebels have less in their faction but now he is saying they have more

Fener, on 25 June 2013 - 04:34 PM, said:

Tellan, on 25 June 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

Okaaayy.. so some of those questions are rhetorical, but I do want to hear Fener out, and I didn't mean to shut the thread up, haha.

Also, anyone else wondering about faction numbers? Based on the faction descriptions, I'm skeptical it's an even split between 20 players.

Just my speculation based on what we've seen. Someone with a better knowledge of the books could guess at role names for people likely to be defense orientated and guess their Loyal/Rebel alignment from that I'm sure.

Factions? First maybe 3, Vord 2-3, Loyalist 8-10, Rebel 4-6. Rebel roles are more action, Loyalist more Info/close to RI.


Out for a few hours now.

[Korbas]

With another vote, I'm going to fuck off. Good luck. Can't be arsed.

[Fener]

Korbas, on 08 July 2013 - 10:06 AM, said:

Okay I'll have a look at Fener, this post

Fener, on 24 June 2013 - 01:27 PM, said:

Korbas, on 24 June 2013 - 01:24 PM, said:

Looks to be 22 alts, yet only 17 signed up, there were some late additions. PS can you update the sign up list? If someone wants to remain anonymous then you can just add that to the list.

There was enough later additions to take it to 20 so not quite so bad

Plays down the fact that we have 2 extra alts.

My point was yes, we have 2 extra. Not the 5 extra that some had been thinking.

early on in day one when we had no information

Fener, on 25 June 2013 - 04:11 PM, said:

Game started at Day 1 so their was no Night phase for Dawn actions to be submitted in.

Some actions may be passive - simply by a player being in a location at the start of day an affect is had.

So for instance the Vord Queen may cause instant complete infestation by performing an action on a spot whereas a Keeper cause +5 per Day phase.

Not only mentions Vord Queen with familiarity but then throws out keeper knowledge early on.

Speculating on mechanics counts as familiarity? And the Keeper - we've done this already. Nimander was the first to name a Taker, oh wait he CF'd as Loyalist. Maybe he'd read the books too do you think?

Says that there is more than one Vord in this next post. Debates mechanics with Tellan.

Fener, on 25 June 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

Erm, because one* would assume the Queen starts in the infested tile? Being Queen and all? Keeper seemed the most likely of the 4 on the wiki for subsidiary role(s)** names given that the Vord aim is to spread creep, not to take out people. +5 pre day phase because.. let me see, we have started day phase and we have a mysterious +5 infestation on a tile already. It's that simple.

Brains on people.


*Okay, I
**The modification made when 20 people rather than 17 were in makes it quite clear we have more than one Vord if anyone was in any doubt before.

There were changes to the VC of the First - note they say *all* Vord. Therefore more than just the Queen.

Fener says here that Rebels have less in their faction but now he is saying they have more

Fener, on 25 June 2013 - 04:34 PM, said:

Tellan, on 25 June 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

Okaaayy.. so some of those questions are rhetorical, but I do want to hear Fener out, and I didn't mean to shut the thread up, haha.

Also, anyone else wondering about faction numbers? Based on the faction descriptions, I'm skeptical it's an even split between 20 players.

Just my speculation based on what we've seen. Someone with a better knowledge of the books could guess at role names for people likely to be defense orientated and guess their Loyal/Rebel alignment from that I'm sure.

Factions? First maybe 3, Vord 2-3, Loyalist 8-10, Rebel 4-6. Rebel roles are more action, Loyalist more Info/close to RI.


Out for a few hours now.

<le sigh>

Based on OP I was speculating as to likely balance of numbers. The Day 4 information rendered all such speculation null and void as it *told us how many of each team⁽¹⁾ there were*

⁽¹⁾ Except for the one alts not shown of course - Tiam, Rashan and one unknown other. For the avoidance of doubt, it showed me. It confirmed what my Earth Fury told me. (Shock! Admitting to two Furies?! Well, actually, I did that some Days ago)

[Fener]

Korbas, on 08 July 2013 - 10:08 AM, said:

With another vote, I'm going to fuck off. Good luck. Can't be arsed.

To be clear, are you requesting a mod-kill?

Not really in favor of it because you've been stirring up some discussion, I'd rather a clean lynch so we can clear up any remaining non-voting alts.