[Pran Chole]

Blend, on 13 June 2013 - 11:17 PM, said:

If the Great Fury under Kalare is activated, all players on the Kalare tile excluding the player who activated it, will die.

If the Great Fury under Alera Imperia is activated, all players on the Alera Imperia tile, including the player who activated it, will die.

...

Once Thana's counter is full, she will push all players currently on the Calderon tile to a random tile (excluding Shuar and Narash).

Once Garados' counter is full, the mountain will come to life and move from tile to tile during each Dusk Phase, doing 5 damage to anyone on his current tile during the Dawn Phase.

As you can see Garados is the only one that's even remotely dangerous to anyone outside the tile itself.

[Fener]

Blend, on 13 June 2013 - 11:17 PM, said:

If the Great Fury under Kalare is activated, all players on the Kalare tile excluding the player who activated it, will die.


If the Great Furies are not activated before the Vord Queen can infest the tile on which they are located, the Vord will receive a bonus for infesting a tile with a Great Fury on it

The bad things that happen, happen only to a small number of people though. Potentially only to the Vord stood on the tile infesting in given that Kalare doesn't kill the activator. The potential bonuses the Vord get could be game changing and bring them well back into contention. All in all I'm glad they went for Antillus over Kalare but can't help wondering why.

[Emurlahn]

Also, Fener has admitted to attacking Alkend--which is good--but if Fener's claim days ago of "I'm a fire fury" is true, he can attack from anywhere on the map. Why on earth would we want to keep someone around who has a free attack?

[Fener]

It is true and it is what hit Alkend. Anyone who has Fire has an un-ranged attack. Same as anyone with Water has an infinite BP against it.

[Liosan]

Korbas, on 07 July 2013 - 05:06 PM, said:

The other furies kill all people on said tile. How, is, that helpful?

The people pushing for my lynch due to stupidity must know something I don't. I'm spry but Fener had been hiding behind the mask of Tavi but Tavi targeted him last night. Also Tavi is, the one who killed alkend, or he targeted him the night alkend died.

I.targeted Ultima last night with an attack however he wasn't in range. So I did no damage to him.

??????

Dude, the ONLY person to put "Fener" and "Tavi" in the same sentence was YOU

how the fuck can Fener be "hiding" behind Tavi, if he never confirmed/denied what you said?

On top of that, who the bloody fuck CARES what's goping on on the Greater Fury tiles? none of them are even close to where the Vord are (except Kalare, which is basically empty right now).

You kjeep claiming to be oh-so-very-useful. But NOTHING you've done actually helps anyone with what we are actually trying to do here.

I also repeat my previous question: when you though Fener was Tavi, WHY THE FUCK DID YOU THINK OUTING HIM WAS A GOOD IDEA?

[Liosan]

Emurlahn, on 07 July 2013 - 06:38 PM, said:

Also, Fener has admitted to attacking Alkend--which is good--but if Fener's claim days ago of "I'm a fire fury" is true, he can attack from anywhere on the map. Why on earth would we want to keep someone around who has a free attack?

Because tight now he can be useful to take out Vord?

and on top of that, we can always guard him.

[Ultama]

Emurlahn said:

1373222311[/url]' post='1068998']
Also, Fener has admitted to attacking Alkend--which is good--but if Fener's claim days ago of "I'm a fire fury" is true, he can attack from anywhere on the map. Why on earth would we want to keep someone around who has a free attack?

So which would be your choice for a lynch today Emur? Now that I know you're not an alt, I"ll listen to you a bit. [img]http://forum.malazanempire.com/public/style_emoticons/darkset/:thumbsup:.gif[/img]

[Emurlahn]

Liosan, on 07 July 2013 - 07:45 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 07 July 2013 - 06:38 PM, said:

Also, Fener has admitted to attacking Alkend--which is good--but if Fener's claim days ago of "I'm a fire fury" is true, he can attack from anywhere on the map. Why on earth would we want to keep someone around who has a free attack?

Because tight now he can be useful to take out Vord?

and on top of that, we can always guard him.

You can guard him if you're w/in 2 tiles.. .and have access to Wood... and choose to guard him. He's only useful to take out Vord if he says, "I'm attacking X" and there is some consensus that X is Vord. And then only if we trust him.

[Emurlahn]

Ultama, on 07 July 2013 - 07:58 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 07 July 2013 - 06:38 PM, said:

Also, Fener has admitted to attacking Alkend--which is good--but if Fener's claim days ago of "I'm a fire fury" is true, he can attack from anywhere on the map. Why on earth would we want to keep someone around who has a free attack?

So which would be your choice for a lynch today Emur? Now that I know you're not an alt, I"ll listen to you a bit. />.gif" />

Between the two? I already voted Korbas once before, so I would gladly vote him again. But it's pretty close. 55-45. Tellan was my other case, but he's dead now and with the freeze, my mind has faded a bit as to the "suspect list."

[Emurlahn]

The real question becomes, if we are lynching Korbas and everyone seems to agree that he's not Vord, are taking a break from Vord hunting today?

[Pran Chole]

Emurlahn, on 07 July 2013 - 08:16 PM, said:

The real question becomes, if we are lynching Korbas and everyone seems to agree that he's not Vord, are taking a break from Vord hunting today?

I don't agree that he's not a Vord. As Lio pointed out he keeps claiming to have so many helpful abilities, but aside from being a stronger earthcrafter than many nothing he's claimed is actually useful. I am more inclined to think that he's a mid-low level vord who's sole purpose has been to draw everyone's attention to him. I don't think he's the queen, but I think he could easily be a warrior or taker.

[Fener]

Emurlahn, on 07 July 2013 - 08:16 PM, said:

The real question becomes, if we are lynching Korbas and everyone seems to agree that he's not Vord, are taking a break from Vord hunting today?

Let's face it, we have his claims to be being First. Now the real Tavi could come out and say "This is bollocks" but that'd be a bit stupid. So I'm going to say - no attack from Tavi landed on me last night.

Now, the real Tavi may well have attacked me and been out of range but again he can't really come on thread and say it.

I call bull on Korbas. He may well be the Vord Queen. He's certainly not acting like he's on any other side. He was also one of my 3 alts whose times synched well with Tiam and Rashan, before I let the cat out the bag that I was watching post times.

[Ultama]

Emurlahn said:

1373222311[/url]' post='1068998']
Also, Fener has admitted to attacking Alkend--which is good--but if Fener's claim days ago of "I'm a fire fury" is true, he can attack from anywhere on the map. Why on earth would we want to keep someone around who has a free attack?

Now that is an interesting question. I've not read the books but I've read most of the wiki. Besides boring me to tears with the sheer quantity of tropes per page. It did inform me of a central fact. The entire premise of the stories is that the protagonist Tavi is the only Aleran who cannot furycraft. At all. At some point his skills are unlocked and he becomes super badass or something.

Korbas is claiming that he has abilities that are locked but has admitted via accusation that he is not Tavi. Blend has used the locked powers thing before, so it is possible that Korbas is telling the truth. But pretty fucking unlikely. As others have pointed out he's been doing his damnedest to out Tavi.

Now we have Emurlahn. Emur, did you catch the part above about Tavi being the only Aleran who can't furycraft? Since this game is set up with 3 factions of Alerans and one of non-Alerans your questioning of Fener's fire crafting and ignorance of earth crafting (post 505) leads me to believe that you're not Aleran. If you're not one of the Alerans then...

[Pran Chole]

Fener, on 07 July 2013 - 08:26 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 07 July 2013 - 08:16 PM, said:

The real question becomes, if we are lynching Korbas and everyone seems to agree that he's not Vord, are taking a break from Vord hunting today?

Let's face it, we have his claims to be being First. Now the real Tavi could come out and say "This is bollocks" but that'd be a bit stupid. So I'm going to say - no attack from Tavi landed on me last night.

Now, the real Tavi may well have attacked me and been out of range but again he can't really come on thread and say it.

I call bull on Korbas. He may well be the Vord Queen. He's certainly not acting like he's on any other side. He was also one of my 3 alts whose times synched well with Tiam and Rashan, before I let the cat out the bag that I was watching post times.

Interesting you'd mention that. Thinking back I can't remember any instances of any of those 3 posting on thread at the same general time since your chart.

[Ultama]

Pran Chole, on 07 July 2013 - 08:19 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 07 July 2013 - 08:16 PM, said:

The real question becomes, if we are lynching Korbas and everyone seems to agree that he's not Vord, are taking a break from Vord hunting today?

I don't agree that he's not a Vord. As Lio pointed out he keeps claiming to have so many helpful abilities, but aside from being a stronger earthcrafter than many nothing he's claimed is actually useful. I am more inclined to think that he's a mid-low level vord who's sole purpose has been to draw everyone's attention to him. I don't think he's the queen, but I think he could easily be a warrior or taker.

I also do not agree that Korbas is Aleran. But I don't know about the mid-level thing. He's been screaming "kill me, kill me" the whole game. The only reason I can think for him still being alive is that the Vord don't want him dead.

And I think Emurlahn made a serious slip with the "why should we keep Fener around".

That gives me 2 Vord suspects. I think I prefer to lynch Korbas today and leave Emurlahn for tomorrow. or tonight

[Ultama]

Ultama, on 04 July 2013 - 03:50 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 04 July 2013 - 01:21 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 04 July 2013 - 10:57 AM, said:

As for other speculation, normally I'd poo-poo the idea that we are getting false CFs, but given that there appears to be differences in what PS is reporting for tiles and what people like Ultama have claimed their NA's revealed about their location, I raise it as being a higher possibility.

I'm not convinced there is an inconsistency here. As someone already pointed out, the earthcrafter ability to detect who is on their tile does not detect windcrafters. Was there anything raised about this that the earth-wind possibility couldn't explain?

The wind fury passive cancels out the earth fury passive. Makes sense once pointed out. doh.

So what could explain getting an out of range response for

Blend, on 13 June 2013 - 11:18 PM, said:

Fire Furies

Active Action: You may target another player. That player will take attack power + X damage, no matter which tile they are on.

Blend, on 13 June 2013 - 11:18 PM, said:

Order of resolution is as follows:

Special Movement Abilities > Find > Guard > Attack > Recruit > Fortifications > Infestation > Heal

Certain abilities will resolve outside this specific order of resolution, but this is a safe guideline for nearly all abilities available in this game.

The only explanations that I can think of for somebody being out of range from an attack that hits every tile are

• They're not on any of the tiles.
• They are on tiles that are only connected via blue lines. Shuar or Narash
• They have a "certain abilities" ability.

Seeing as how I missed the earth and wind cancellation, am I missing another obvious explanation?

This is why I prefer a Korbas lynch. I attacked him and got a strange result.

[Pran Chole]

Ultama, on 07 July 2013 - 08:38 PM, said:

Pran Chole, on 07 July 2013 - 08:19 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 07 July 2013 - 08:16 PM, said:

The real question becomes, if we are lynching Korbas and everyone seems to agree that he's not Vord, are taking a break from Vord hunting today?

I don't agree that he's not a Vord. As Lio pointed out he keeps claiming to have so many helpful abilities, but aside from being a stronger earthcrafter than many nothing he's claimed is actually useful. I am more inclined to think that he's a mid-low level vord who's sole purpose has been to draw everyone's attention to him. I don't think he's the queen, but I think he could easily be a warrior or taker.

I also do not agree that Korbas is Aleran. But I don't know about the mid-level thing. He's been screaming "kill me, kill me" the whole game. The only reason I can think for him still being alive is that the Vord don't want him dead.

And I think Emurlahn made a serious slip with the "why should we keep Fener around".

That gives me 2 Vord suspects. I think I prefer to lynch Korbas today and leave Emurlahn for tomorrow. or tonight

I've already made myself quite clear about my thoughts on Korbas. I've had the sort of smooth vibe from Emu that reminds me of Khell's play from last game. I could support a vote on Emu. Then again, anyone who doesn't have access to furies should of course be worried about fire furies. I mean, 4 bodies in 2 nights, I'm a little anxious myself.

[Pran Chole]

Ultama, on 07 July 2013 - 08:44 PM, said:

Ultama, on 04 July 2013 - 03:50 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 04 July 2013 - 01:21 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 04 July 2013 - 10:57 AM, said:

As for other speculation, normally I'd poo-poo the idea that we are getting false CFs, but given that there appears to be differences in what PS is reporting for tiles and what people like Ultama have claimed their NA's revealed about their location, I raise it as being a higher possibility.

I'm not convinced there is an inconsistency here. As someone already pointed out, the earthcrafter ability to detect who is on their tile does not detect windcrafters. Was there anything raised about this that the earth-wind possibility couldn't explain?

The wind fury passive cancels out the earth fury passive. Makes sense once pointed out. doh.

So what could explain getting an out of range response for

Blend, on 13 June 2013 - 11:18 PM, said:

Fire Furies

Active Action: You may target another player. That player will take attack power + X damage, no matter which tile they are on.

Blend, on 13 June 2013 - 11:18 PM, said:

Order of resolution is as follows:

Special Movement Abilities > Find > Guard > Attack > Recruit > Fortifications > Infestation > Heal

Certain abilities will resolve outside this specific order of resolution, but this is a safe guideline for nearly all abilities available in this game.

The only explanations that I can think of for somebody being out of range from an attack that hits every tile are

• They're not on any of the tiles.
• They are on tiles that are only connected via blue lines. Shuar or Narash
• They have a "certain abilities" ability.

Seeing as how I missed the earth and wind cancellation, am I missing another obvious explanation?

This is why I prefer a Korbas lynch. I attacked him and got a strange result.

Are you allowed/willing to elaborate on that strange result?

[Ultama]

Pran Chole, on 07 July 2013 - 08:45 PM, said:

Ultama, on 07 July 2013 - 08:44 PM, said:

Ultama, on 04 July 2013 - 03:50 PM, said:

Nimander Golit, on 04 July 2013 - 01:21 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 04 July 2013 - 10:57 AM, said:

As for other speculation, normally I'd poo-poo the idea that we are getting false CFs, but given that there appears to be differences in what PS is reporting for tiles and what people like Ultama have claimed their NA's revealed about their location, I raise it as being a higher possibility.

I'm not convinced there is an inconsistency here. As someone already pointed out, the earthcrafter ability to detect who is on their tile does not detect windcrafters. Was there anything raised about this that the earth-wind possibility couldn't explain?

The wind fury passive cancels out the earth fury passive. Makes sense once pointed out. doh.

So what could explain getting an out of range response for

Blend, on 13 June 2013 - 11:18 PM, said:

Fire Furies

Active Action: You may target another player. That player will take attack power + X damage, no matter which tile they are on.

Blend, on 13 June 2013 - 11:18 PM, said:

Order of resolution is as follows:

Special Movement Abilities > Find > Guard > Attack > Recruit > Fortifications > Infestation > Heal

Certain abilities will resolve outside this specific order of resolution, but this is a safe guideline for nearly all abilities available in this game.

The only explanations that I can think of for somebody being out of range from an attack that hits every tile are

• They're not on any of the tiles.
• They are on tiles that are only connected via blue lines. Shuar or Narash
• They have a "certain abilities" ability.

Seeing as how I missed the earth and wind cancellation, am I missing another obvious explanation?

This is why I prefer a Korbas lynch. I attacked him and got a strange result.

Are you allowed/willing to elaborate on that strange result?

Red highlights

[Ultama]

I thought about the fire fury passive and asked PS about it in such a way that didn't allow for any weaseling on the answer. The steam cloud does not make a person invisible.