[Ultama]

Gait, on 07 July 2013 - 12:21 PM, said:

I remember someone saying something about their firecrafting active being answered with "not in range"
after thinking long and hard about it, I have at last found out that the guy probably had a "steam cloud" !

That was me. And I specifically asked PS if steam cloud would make me invisible if it was triggered. The answer was no. I can't know that the steam cloud would work the same for others with it, but I think it's a safe assumption.

So far the only mechanics mentioned in the OP or in thread that make somebody invisible is the wind passive and earth passive interaction.

[Ultama]

Monok Ochem, on 07 July 2013 - 02:35 PM, said:

Gait, on 07 July 2013 - 12:21 PM, said:

I remember someone saying something about their firecrafting active being answered with "not in range"
after thinking long and hard about it, I have at last found out that the guy probably had a "steam cloud" !

Path-Shaper, on 27 June 2013 - 03:57 AM, said:

MOD NOTE: YOU WILL ALWAYS BE TOLD IF THE TARGET OF YOUR DAWN ACTION IS WITHIN RANGE, BUT THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN YOUR ACTION HAS HAD ANY EFFECT, AKA, YOU WILL NOT BE TOLD IF YOUR ACTION WAS SUCCESSFUL.

Good point. So do you have any idea as to what would cause an out of range situation?

[Ultama]

Liosan, on 06 July 2013 - 01:46 AM, said:

in fact

vote Korbas

because he's been throwing himself in the spotlight, and trying to paint powerful non-vord players since Day 2. Why the fuck would you announce on thread who you thought Tavi was?

You are being disruptive, and I see litle point to anything you've done so far.

I'd like to hear some answers from him myself.

If only for the stupid fake sitrep thing he did. (I will caveat this by saying I'll remove if this starts to take on a speed lynch appearance. I want to get well into Monday so we know everyone has at least looked in.)

Remove Vote
Vote Korbas

[Gait]

I wouldn't like a Korbas lynch, mostly because I find him amusing.

[Pran Chole]

Ultama, on 07 July 2013 - 03:18 PM, said:

Liosan, on 06 July 2013 - 01:46 AM, said:

in fact

vote Korbas

because he's been throwing himself in the spotlight, and trying to paint powerful non-vord players since Day 2. Why the fuck would you announce on thread who you thought Tavi was?

You are being disruptive, and I see litle point to anything you've done so far.

I'd like to hear some answers from him myself.

If only for the stupid fake sitrep thing he did. (I will caveat this by saying I'll remove if this starts to take on a speed lynch appearance. I want to get well into Monday so we know everyone has at least looked in.)

Remove Vote
Vote Korbas

I know what you mean, but after 3 days can he really still qualify as a speed lynch? I think you're the third vote on him and I started it on Friday.

[Ultama]

Pran Chole, on 07 July 2013 - 03:56 PM, said:

Ultama, on 07 July 2013 - 03:18 PM, said:

Liosan, on 06 July 2013 - 01:46 AM, said:

in fact

vote Korbas

because he's been throwing himself in the spotlight, and trying to paint powerful non-vord players since Day 2. Why the fuck would you announce on thread who you thought Tavi was?

You are being disruptive, and I see litle point to anything you've done so far.

I'd like to hear some answers from him myself.

If only for the stupid fake sitrep thing he did. (I will caveat this by saying I'll remove if this starts to take on a speed lynch appearance. I want to get well into Monday so we know everyone has at least looked in.)

Remove Vote
Vote Korbas

I know what you mean, but after 3 days can he really still qualify as a speed lynch? I think you're the third vote on him and I started it on Friday.

OK, I'll clarify. I don't want to lynch anyone during a freeze. Especially when it's frozen at the start of day.

At best we've got 16 people to get 10 votes. That ratio is just going to get worse.


Edit: But we have to lynch. Because NAs will also make that ratio worse.

This post has been edited by Ultama: 07 July 2013 - 04:08 PM

[Fener]

Path-Shaper, on 05 July 2013 - 08:11 PM, said:

Tellan has been killed. He was Fidelias, a member of the Rebels faction.

Nimander Golit has been killed. She was Amara, a member of the Loyalists faction.

I'm catching up here, going to be posting as I do so.

So we're down to factions of:

First Aleran: 5
Loyalists: 5
Rebels: 6
Vord: 3+

We have a potential recruit mechanic still in place with the Queen so these numbers should be taken with a pinch of salt. Whoever managed the extra Day start information, please do it again - I imagine the start of Day 7 is the soonest, given a likely 3 turn cool-down.

Nimander has been displaying book knowledge, possibly someone with a boner for anyone who knows anything about the series took him down but I think he made some good points at times. Tellan was more of a meh loss for me, didn't feel he'd put much into it. However, we need to look at the NAs that are not there - the FA signally failed to take down Tiam and Rashan overnight in what may prove to be a big miss-step. Can someone who (may potentially have) targeted one of our singing duo comment on why they were unable to kill them again? More HP? Range? As a gesture of openness and honesty (yes, even in Mafia) I'll admit to having dealt Alkend damage on the night they were taken out although I don't know enough about their HP to be sure I was the only one hitting them.

So, we have potential issues from our known Vord surviving. They may be able to spread croach, recruit or may be (partially or fully) behind the NAs. I think it is clear that we need to put them down and keep them there every night, can we get some agreement on this on thread?

The Vord have VCs that mean we need to kill them all - not just the FA need them all dead, we all do - they can spread croach potentially without the Queen (via Keepers, like Tiam) which is a loss for everyone else and have implied NAs (Warriors and their VCs of eliminate all) and possibly still a recruit mechanic personified in the Queen (or our dead Taker may have been the only one). We all need them dead. The FA need them all dead too but have no motive beyond that, once they have their VCs they don't need to care about Loyalist/Rebels, they've won, it just remains to be seen which non-Vord faction they win with.

[Ultama]

I'm a bit annoyed with NG. He asked a lot of questions and seemed to be forming some conclusions. But the fucktard died before sharing.

[Fener]

Pran Chole, on 05 July 2013 - 10:07 PM, said:

Goddamn, bodies hitting floors. I guess the best thing about this is we now know that the CFs are probably all accurate. Also nice to see Mockra has not respawned. I think this lends credence to the theory that the number of unkillable alts at a time are related to the number of infested territories. I feel its extremely important therefore that anyone with earth fury access work very hard at fortifications.

Liosan, on 05 July 2013 - 08:18 PM, said:

So, any bets when we'll hear from Bargy again?

Possibly never?

Luckily this does seem to confirm we're just that good, alas for the lack of a Queen NA overnight. Agreed on respawning alts tied to number of infestations and I'm wondering at the slow rate at which fortifications are building up - only +8 in 4 whole Dawns? One of which was mine. So what has everyone else with Earth been doing?

[Fener]

Pran Chole, on 05 July 2013 - 11:13 PM, said:

Liosan, on 05 July 2013 - 11:07 PM, said:

Pran Chole, on 05 July 2013 - 10:24 PM, said:

Also, to add to my last post, I'm still ticked off that there's been no adequate explanation of the whole whiskey delta incident. That was a massive display of collective, willful ignorance.

No we justhad bugs to quash.

As for Korbas' babbling, he keeps saying that this was a signal to FAs.

I am wholeheartedly in favor of the bug squashing. But to largely ignore it altogether, which all but 2 or 3 people did, pissed me off.

Most people probably figured it was signalling, it wasn't exactly subtle was it. However since it is Korbas, is anyone going to take the chance his play improves should they respond to his signalling...?

Perhaps he's expecting a sneaky rear attack, hence claiming to be hiding as far from the Vord as he can get.

[Fener]

Korbas, on 05 July 2013 - 11:34 PM, said:

Fener, on 05 July 2013 - 10:58 PM, said:

Ultama, on 05 July 2013 - 10:08 PM, said:

Korbas, on 05 July 2013 - 08:54 PM, said:

Fact. Fener goes along with this giving tiam credibility.

I seem to recall you doing the same thing.

Korbas, on 05 July 2013 - 08:54 PM, said:

Fact. I know now Fener is not Octavian.

Fact: That's only a fact if you're right. And only relevant if you can prove it.



You spend a lot of time and effort asking us to take you on faith. And you sound a lot like Tiam.

Oh FFS Korbas. You claimed I was Tavi, not me. So you now know you were wrong.

There are 17 alts still. 15 of which are neither the Queen or Tavi. Deal with it.

I've not liked what you're coming up with for a long time, as my repeated votes on you indicate.

I'm out now till close to the end of the weekend.

So fener here has confirmed I am right that he is not Octavian. In my head I had him as either that or high ranking vord. Now I know he isn't Tavi then he's fair game in my books.

can any of you Fuck heads deny I have fortification? Well then, let's concentrate on riding ourselves if more vord. I move to Phrygia, you can see no fortification on Calderon and one if those on Phrygia is me.

No, you said I was Tavi. Now you say I'm not Tavi. Well, to yourself, yes, you were right. You thought I was, now you think I'm not.

I have made no claims as to who I am. That's your doing. So you disproved your own theory, all by yourself. With information you claim to have. Well done, have a gold star.

[Fener]

Korbas, on 06 July 2013 - 07:26 AM, said:

Liosan, on 06 July 2013 - 01:43 AM, said:

Am I the only one who sees not a single ounce of sense in fortifying Calderon which is on the

OPPOSITE FUCKING SIDE OF THE MAP FROM WHERE THE VORD ARE?????????

I moved to Calderon to calm the great fury. They would be on plus 9 now I think otherwise, I can only use that ability once every three dawns. one of those furies does 5 damage to everyone and I am not sure what other peoples HP us like. Plus the vord were slowed right down. I have no access to my furies yet only Tavi will know that.

The Vord were "slowed right down" by you calming the Great Fury at Calderon? Please explain. As otherwise your actions look stupid.

Pretty much everyone else has seen how the Great Furys are a potentially huge advantage should the croach be spread significantly, but not you.

[Fener]

Korbas, on 06 July 2013 - 07:28 AM, said:

Ultama, on 06 July 2013 - 04:22 AM, said:

Pran Chole, on 06 July 2013 - 01:44 AM, said:

Ultama, on 06 July 2013 - 01:11 AM, said:

Korbas, on 05 July 2013 - 11:34 PM, said:

So fener here has confirmed I am right that he is not Octavian. In my head I had him as either that or high ranking vord. Now I know he isn't Tavi then he's fair game in my books.

So Korbas has confirmed that he is not Tavi. In my head I had him as either Octavian or a stupid bastard. Now that I know he isn't Tavi he's ..


So far this game the only type of communication from PS has been answers to questions or 'noted' to orders. With two exceptions. One of the two was a mild rebuke for a post I made. As for the other one:

@Korbas: tell me when I received that exception.

Wait, what? Korbas sent you a message through PS?

I'll spill before the weekend is over. I'd say more now but I don't want him figuring out what it might be and gamble. Regardless of sender, I have little faith that he will be able to tell me the time I received it. And even then he has to answer the next question.
And I have no idea who sent it.

I don't know, or I can make a good guess? Either alkend or this dawn?

So, you don't know. Ultama, any thoughts now he's said he doesn't know or shall we get him to say it again?

[Fener]

Ultama, on 06 July 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 24 June 2013 - 01:03 PM, said:

It is Day 1. Timer is frozen with 32 hours remaining.

Players alive: Alkend, Barghast, Demelain, Emurlahn, Fener, Gait, Galain, Hood's Path, Kedeviss, Korbas, Liosan, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Nimander Golit, Okaros, Pran Chole, Ryllandaras, Sheltatha Lore, Tellan, Trake, Ultama, Venesara

12 votes to lynch, 11 votes to go to night

22 alts. 20 players on signup sheet.

Path-Shaper, on 05 July 2013 - 08:13 PM, said:

It is now Day 5. Timer is frozen with 32 hours remaining.

Players alive: Barghast, Demelain, Emurlahn, Fener, Gait, Galain, Hood's Path, Kedeviss, Korbas, Liosan, Monok Ochem, Okaros, Pran Chole, Rashan, Ryllandaras, Sheltatha Lore, Tiamatha, Trake, Ultama

10 votes to lynch, 10 votes for night.

17 + Tia & Rashan.

Venesara, Alkend, Mockra, Tellan, Nimander Golit



10 votes for a lynch. Tia & Rashan say they're not allowed to vote. Barghast is in the wind. It is possible that both Alkend and Mockra were the initial 2 extras. But that's not a safe bet to make right now.

So we have at best 15 players to get 10 to vote for the same person. That's 66% not 50%. And that's the bad thought I had Wednesday afternoon. I'm glad that the Mockra lynch worked out. But my rationale for pulling my vote has been proven. We've got to be very careful with our lynches from now on. imo. ymmv.

And, to get all the paranoia out of the way: Tia has lied about everything so why should we believe that she can't vote?

Let's try a Gamakarmachameleon vote as an example. We need to pile on votes because one of the 17 could very well be an alt whose vote does not count. But if GKC is not a Vord, then when he hits 8 votes we could see Tia and Rashan jump on for the lynch.

So while we are far from WCS, we are in a semi WCS when it comes to lynching. Am I wrong?

We only have Tiams claims for mod-kill on voting which were then proved to be BS when she voted. I'm inclined to believe they carry no weight for a lynch, like the multiple alts, but till we get them in the middle of a successful train we won't know for sure. Of course if they're voting on a successful train it may be one they want, or want to make it look like they want it in the hope of derailing it. I'm not too worried about them jumping on at l-2 - if we've got that far a lynch is almost certainly better than a failed lynch.

[Fener]

Ultama, on 06 July 2013 - 07:25 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 06 July 2013 - 06:27 PM, said:

MOD NOTE: I made a mistake on the infestation counter for the Antillus tile. It should have read 2/11 instead of 1/11. I have updated the Start of Day Status Update.

Poor Veng. Is anyone keeping track of his screwups this game? Has to be a couple dozen or better by now. And that's just the ones we know of.

I've started a whole new row for them

[Fener]

Emurlahn, on 06 July 2013 - 11:47 PM, said:

Back and caught up. A few deaths and they are one Loyalist and one Rebel. Well, at least we have something other than Vord for the first time since Vene's modkill. Speaking of Modkills, why on earth hasn't Barghast been modkilled? I realize that the modkill timer is "back on," and it's meta, but maybe Barghast is the Vord Queen or a faction leader which explains why he wasn't modkilled (could upset the game balance)...

As to the Vord objective, they seem to have lost a lot of their punch once we started the lynching. Elinarch is barely ticked to 3 today... although we do see two in Antillus. Why would the Vord suddenly split their infestation?

At a guess each tile may generate a different type of Vord. Antillius may breed Takers, in which case we're boned.

[Ultama]

Fener said:

1373213923[/url]' post='1068954']

Path-Shaper said:

1373055060[/url]' post='1068776']
Tellan has been killed. He was Fidelias, a member of the Rebels faction.

Nimander Golit has been killed. She was Amara, a member of the Loyalists faction.

I'm catching up here, going to be posting as I do so.

So we're down to factions of:

First Aleran: 5
Loyalists: 5
Rebels: 6
Vord: 3+

And how do you arrive at those numbers?

We have a potential recruit mechanic still in place with the Queen so these numbers should be taken with a pinch of salt. Whoever managed the extra Day start information, please do it again - I imagine the start of Day 7 is the soonest, given a likely 3 turn cool-down.

And how do you arrive at those numbers? Recruiting on that schedule means dawn 6 and dawn 3. Why do you assume that the initial recruit mechanism had to wait before use? Isn't more likely to be "ability recruit: once used you must wait three days before using again"?


Nimander has been displaying book knowledge, possibly someone with a boner for anyone who knows anything about the series took him down but I think he made some good points at times. Tellan was more of a meh loss for me, didn't feel he'd put much into it. However, we need to look at the NAs that are not there - the FA signally failed to take down Tiam and Rashan overnight in what may prove to be a big miss-step. Can someone who (may potentially have) targeted one of our singing duo comment on why they were unable to kill them again? More HP? Range? As a gesture of openness and honesty (yes, even in Mafia) I'll admit to having dealt Alkend damage on the night they were taken out although I don't know enough about their HP to be sure I was the only one hitting them.

So, we have potential issues from our known Vord surviving. They may be able to spread croach, recruit or may be (partially or fully) behind the NAs. I think it is clear that we need to put them down and keep them there every night, can we get some agreement on this on thread?

You attacked Alkend rather than Rashan. And apparently you didn't target Tia or Rashan last night. But you want everyone else to do so?

The Vord have VCs that mean we need to kill them all - not just the FA need them all dead, we all do - they can spread croach potentially without the Queen (via Keepers, like Tiam) which is a loss for everyone else and have implied NAs (Warriors and their VCs of eliminate all) and possibly still a recruit mechanic personified in the Queen (or our dead Taker may have been the only one). We all need them dead. The FA need them all dead too but have no motive beyond that, once they have their VCs they don't need to care about Loyalist/Rebels, they've won, it just remains to be seen which non-Vord faction they win with.

[Ultama]

Fener said:

1373214541[/url]' post='1068961']

Korbas said:

1373095689[/url]' post='1068839']

Ultama said:

1373084539[/url]' post='1068832']

Pran Chole said:

1373075087[/url]' post='1068820']

Ultama said:

1373073082[/url]' post='1068816']

Korbas said:

1373067250[/url]' post='1068808']
So fener here has confirmed I am right that he is not Octavian. In my head I had him as either that or high ranking vord. Now I know he isn't Tavi then he's fair game in my books.

So Korbas has confirmed that he is not Tavi. In my head I had him as either Octavian or a stupid bastard. Now that I know he isn't Tavi he's ..


So far this game the only type of communication from PS has been answers to questions or 'noted' to orders. With two exceptions. One of the two was a mild rebuke for a post I made. As for the other one:

@Korbas: tell me when I received that exception.

Wait, what? Korbas sent you a message through PS?

I'll spill before the weekend is over. I'd say more now but I don't want him figuring out what it might be and gamble. Regardless of sender, I have little faith that he will be able to tell me the time I received it. And even then he has to answer the next question.
And I have no idea who sent it.

I don't know, or I can make a good guess? Either alkend or this dawn?

So, you don't know. Ultama, any thoughts now he's said he doesn't know or shall we get him to say it again?

Well, I muddied up the water with my reply to Pran Chole. It allows Korbas to claim he didn't know which question he was supposed to answer. That's why I repeated it in its own post. Which Korbas has yet to respond to.

[Fener]

Ultama, on 07 July 2013 - 04:38 PM, said:

Fener, on 07 July 2013 - 04:18 PM, said:

I'm catching up here, going to be posting as I do so.

So we're down to factions of:

First Aleran: 5
Loyalists: 5
Rebels: 6
Vord: 3+

And how do you arrive at those numbers?

The tile info dump at the start of Day 4, with the CF'd ones subtracted from the count.

We have a potential recruit mechanic still in place with the Queen so these numbers should be taken with a pinch of salt. Whoever managed the extra Day start information, please do it again - I imagine the start of Day 7 is the soonest, given a likely 3 turn cool-down.

And how do you arrive at those numbers? Recruiting on that schedule means dawn 6 and dawn 3. Why do you assume that the initial recruit mechanism had to wait before use? Isn't more likely to be "ability recruit: once used you must wait three days before using again"?

I'm not talking about the recruit mechanism but the Day start information. Ability first used at the start of Day 4. Action went in for use Dawn 4 therefore. Why hadn't it been used before when it gives us so much information? Because it has a cooldown. Dawn 3 = 3 days. Dawn 6 = 6 days. After Dawn 6 comes Day 7.


Nimander has been displaying book knowledge, possibly someone with a boner for anyone who knows anything about the series took him down but I think he made some good points at times. Tellan was more of a meh loss for me, didn't feel he'd put much into it. However, we need to look at the NAs that are not there - the FA signally failed to take down Tiam and Rashan overnight in what may prove to be a big miss-step. Can someone who (may potentially have) targeted one of our singing duo comment on why they were unable to kill them again? More HP? Range? As a gesture of openness and honesty (yes, even in Mafia) I'll admit to having dealt Alkend damage on the night they were taken out although I don't know enough about their HP to be sure I was the only one hitting them.

So, we have potential issues from our known Vord surviving. They may be able to spread croach, recruit or may be (partially or fully) behind the NAs. I think it is clear that we need to put them down and keep them there every night, can we get some agreement on this on thread?

You attacked Alkend rather than Rashan. And apparently you didn't target Tia or Rashan last night. But you want everyone else to do so?

Rashan was new enough that they were likely taking an action anyway. Alkend gave me vibes. Therefore, hit Alkend. No, only the FA have VCs to eliminate them all, but it may help to do so. Given how no-one scored a kill on them, I'm asking that we agree they be taken out given how they slipped by last night. I made no claims as to my actions last night

The Vord have VCs that mean we need to kill them all - not just the FA need them all dead, we all do - they can spread croach potentially without the Queen (via Keepers, like Tiam) which is a loss for everyone else and have implied NAs (Warriors and their VCs of eliminate all) and possibly still a recruit mechanic personified in the Queen (or our dead Taker may have been the only one). We all need them dead. The FA need them all dead too but have no motive beyond that, once they have their VCs they don't need to care about Loyalist/Rebels, they've won, it just remains to be seen which non-Vord faction they win with.

[Fener]

Ultama, on 07 July 2013 - 03:18 PM, said:

Liosan, on 06 July 2013 - 01:46 AM, said:

in fact

vote Korbas

because he's been throwing himself in the spotlight, and trying to paint powerful non-vord players since Day 2. Why the fuck would you announce on thread who you thought Tavi was?

You are being disruptive, and I see litle point to anything you've done so far.

I'd like to hear some answers from him myself.

If only for the stupid fake sitrep thing he did. (I will caveat this by saying I'll remove if this starts to take on a speed lynch appearance. I want to get well into Monday so we know everyone has at least looked in.)

Remove Vote
Vote Korbas

I'll hold my vote off for a while too, last thing I want to end up doing is explaining the case every time someone shows up when we're at l-4 or closer, let them read the thread properly without any pressure on needing a snap decision.