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#1021 User is offline   Karatallid 

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 02:36 AM

It certainly looks like it. We've all been doing that during this lovely Day 4 (or is 5?).

Anyway, I'm going to bed now. I'm comfortable with where my vote is, so I will leave it there. G'night all, hoping to see a more interesting thread tomorrow!

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 02:40 AM

Korlat said:

1371003818[/url]' post='1062260']
This might be a bit more interesting in terms of contradiction. Look at the bolded part here below, and then contrast with the following post...

Hanas said:

1370899004[/url]' post='1061801']

Desra said:

1370885451[/url]' post='1061710']

Path-Shaper said:

1370885116[/url]' post='1061705']
It is Day 4. 2 hours and 57 minutes remaining
10 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Tholen

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Gamelon ( Hood's Path )
1 Vote for Hanas ( Desra )
5 Votes for Hood's Path ( Atrahal, Shadow, Cast, Korlat, Tholen )
1 Vote for Shadow ( Karatallid )

Players not voted: Gamelon, Hanas


So the scum killer is probably either Korlat, Tholen or Cast and Hansa is the symp.


I don't think Desra was a symp. But he thought I was. So if I give weight to his suspicions and look at those:
I don't think Korlat is scummy.
Cast has been on everyone's list at one time or another and still around. The quick vote drop on Shadow right after the lynch is shady.
Tholen. Meh. Thinks me hammering HP is scummy but his hammer of the healer is ok.
Of those 3 I have to go with Cast if pushed. She's more likely based upon previous looks at her. (And yeah, that's pretty much saying I think she's suspicious because others think she has been suspicious; not really an accusation that enables a defense.)

Kara has had the hots for Shadow all game; that level of obstinence is simply unscummy to me.
Shadow has been all over the place all game. My weekend read dropped him down my list. But...
Atrahal. Maybe. His spat with Kara on Day 3 about the advisability of discussing possible killer mechanisms had me thinking that either one or the other was scummy. But that was a lot of posts ago.

At the moment, my list is Cast/Tholen, Cast/Shadow, or 1 of those with Atrahal.
I feel like shit so I'm going to go take a nap.
Vote Cast



...in this post below. Love it, exact same reasoning, but different conclusion! So does Kara's obsession with Shadow make him unscummy or a killer, Hanas? How does this potentially fit in with them being on the same team? Well, you could posit that Hanas is attempting to inform Kara that he knows he's a killer, but that is as slight as an anorexic...something or other.

Hanas said:

1370976416[/url]' post='1062162']

Atrahal said:

1370972577[/url]' post='1062138']

Karatallid said:

1370971612[/url]' post='1062133']
vote Shadow

day times out at half 6 in the morning GMT, is this right? So I need to vote in 3 hours.

I'm torn and have no time now. I ask people the merit of voting who I think is scum, who others think is scum or who may be scum. Its tough.

The only reason I'm not voting Hanas is because he'll cf ri.

That leaves one of cast, Kara and tholen as scum in my opinion. If I think that, which I do, then how can I vote shadow.

Kara what do you think of cast and tholen?
Tholen why are you voting for hanas today but argued against it with desra yesterday?
cast why did you follow Kara so quick today? Why not take your time and read up?


Assume, just as a hypothetical, that I'm not lying. Give it 15 minutes.

Path-Shaper said:

1370885500[/url]' post='1061711']
On the gallows, there hangs a string and on the string I swing and swing.
It is Day 4. 2 hours and 53 minutes remaining
10 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Tholen
6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.
1 Vote for Gamelon ( Hood's Path )
6 Votes for Hood's Path ( Atrahal, Shadow, Cast, Korlat, Tholen, Hanas )
1 Vote for Shadow ( Karatallid )
1 Vote for Hanas ( Desra )

Players not voted: Gamelon
Hood's Path is dead. He was HO and RI.
Gamelon was modkilled for inactivity. He was EM and RI.

Once more, I hammered because, in my opinion, there was no way that the vote could swing to another player. Even with Veng pushing it. The only likely outcome would be that no one would get lynched. (Remember, for the next 14 minutes you're assuming I'm RI.)
Kara has had a massive hard on for Shadow all game. That, IMO, is not the action of a symp. Killer, maybe.
I thought Shadow was scum until I read up over the weekend. Now I'm not so certain. He strikes me more as the the throw shit against the wall and see what sticks type. His disappearance today is a bit shady though.

Cast is a good,candidate for scum. The quick jump onto Kara's Shadow vote at start of day is shady. And not been around since.
Korlat is IMO almost certainly town.
Tholen would make an excellent candidate for killer.
Atrahal was one of my suspects early on. But his analyses today, for me, move him into town.
The scum only need to make it to night. They're very confident that I'll be the lynch target tomorrow. (11 more minutes).
I'm thinking it is in descending order Cast/Tholen, Cast/Shadow, or Shadow/Tholen.

(5 more minutes. Re-run scenarios with me as not scum.)
If you cannot divorce yourself from the idea of me being the symp, then lynch me today. Do it tomorrow and scum win.



Hanas trying to warn Kara to play better perhaps? Again, nothing solid.




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Posted 12 June 2013 - 02:43 AM

I'll be asleep at timeout. I'll vote Karatallid because it's the closest I've seen to potential killer. There's no hugely strong connection with the two main suspects for symp, but then there could be myriad reasons for that. And in any case, there's nothing to definitely suggest no connection either. Moreover, the other current votes are on Shadow, and I've already outlined why I don't think Shadow would be a killer (unless he's an extremely nefarious, long-game playing one. And if so, kudos!).

Vote Karatallid

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 02:48 AM

Hanas said:

1371004848[/url]' post='1062263']

Korlat said:

1371003818[/url]' post='1062260']
This might be a bit more interesting in terms of contradiction. Look at the bolded part here below, and then contrast with the following post...

Hanas said:

1370899004[/url]' post='1061801']

Desra said:

1370885451[/url]' post='1061710']

Path-Shaper said:

1370885116[/url]' post='1061705']
It is Day 4. 2 hours and 57 minutes remaining
10 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Tholen

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Gamelon ( Hood's Path )
1 Vote for Hanas ( Desra )
5 Votes for Hood's Path ( Atrahal, Shadow, Cast, Korlat, Tholen )
1 Vote for Shadow ( Karatallid )

Players not voted: Gamelon, Hanas


So the scum killer is probably either Korlat, Tholen or Cast and Hansa is the symp.


I don't think Desra was a symp. But he thought I was. So if I give weight to his suspicions and look at those:
I don't think Korlat is scummy.
Cast has been on everyone's list at one time or another and still around. The quick vote drop on Shadow right after the lynch is shady.
Tholen. Meh. Thinks me hammering HP is scummy but his hammer of the healer is ok.
Of those 3 I have to go with Cast if pushed. She's more likely based upon previous looks at her. (And yeah, that's pretty much saying I think she's suspicious because others think she has been suspicious; not really an accusation that enables a defense.)

Kara has had the hots for Shadow all game; that level of obstinence is simply unscummy to me.
Shadow has been all over the place all game. My weekend read dropped him down my list. But...
Atrahal. Maybe. His spat with Kara on Day 3 about the advisability of discussing possible killer mechanisms had me thinking that either one or the other was scummy. But that was a lot of posts ago.

At the moment, my list is Cast/Tholen, Cast/Shadow, or 1 of those with Atrahal.
I feel like shit so I'm going to go take a nap.
Vote Cast



...in this post below. Love it, exact same reasoning, but different conclusion! So does Kara's obsession with Shadow make him unscummy or a killer, Hanas? How does this potentially fit in with them being on the same team? Well, you could posit that Hanas is attempting to inform Kara that he knows he's a killer, but that is as slight as an anorexic...something or other.

Hanas said:

1370976416[/url]' post='1062162']

Atrahal said:

1370972577[/url]' post='1062138']

Karatallid said:

1370971612[/url]' post='1062133']
vote Shadow

day times out at half 6 in the morning GMT, is this right? So I need to vote in 3 hours.

I'm torn and have no time now. I ask people the merit of voting who I think is scum, who others think is scum or who may be scum. Its tough.

The only reason I'm not voting Hanas is because he'll cf ri.

That leaves one of cast, Kara and tholen as scum in my opinion. If I think that, which I do, then how can I vote shadow.

Kara what do you think of cast and tholen?
Tholen why are you voting for hanas today but argued against it with desra yesterday?
cast why did you follow Kara so quick today? Why not take your time and read up?


Assume, just as a hypothetical, that I'm not lying. Give it 15 minutes.

Path-Shaper said:

1370885500[/url]' post='1061711']
On the gallows, there hangs a string and on the string I swing and swing.
It is Day 4. 2 hours and 53 minutes remaining
10 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Desra, Gamelon, Hanas, Hood's Path, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Tholen
6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.
1 Vote for Gamelon ( Hood's Path )
6 Votes for Hood's Path ( Atrahal, Shadow, Cast, Korlat, Tholen, Hanas )
1 Vote for Shadow ( Karatallid )
1 Vote for Hanas ( Desra )

Players not voted: Gamelon
Hood's Path is dead. He was HO and RI.
Gamelon was modkilled for inactivity. He was EM and RI.

Once more, I hammered because, in my opinion, there was no way that the vote could swing to another player. Even with Veng pushing it. The only likely outcome would be that no one would get lynched. (Remember, for the next 14 minutes you're assuming I'm RI.)
Kara has had a massive hard on for Shadow all game. That, IMO, is not the action of a symp. Killer, maybe.
I thought Shadow was scum until I read up over the weekend. Now I'm not so certain. He strikes me more as the the throw shit against the wall and see what sticks type. His disappearance today is a bit shady though.

Cast is a good,candidate for scum. The quick jump onto Kara's Shadow vote at start of day is shady. And not been around since.
Korlat is IMO almost certainly town.
Tholen would make an excellent candidate for killer.
Atrahal was one of my suspects early on. But his analyses today, for me, move him into town.
The scum only need to make it to night. They're very confident that I'll be the lynch target tomorrow. (11 more minutes).
I'm thinking it is in descending order Cast/Tholen, Cast/Shadow, or Shadow/Tholen.

(5 more minutes. Re-run scenarios with me as not scum.)
If you cannot divorce yourself from the idea of me being the symp, then lynch me today. Do it tomorrow and scum win.



Hanas trying to warn Kara to play better perhaps? Again, nothing solid.





Dammit. Hit add reply instead of preview.
Any contradiction you see in those two comments you bolded is only contradictory if you don't read the part I put in red.
As for me telling the French Canadian that his play needs to be better is rather ludicrous.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 03:23 AM

Korlat said:

<br>I'm going to use that dreaded word 'signalling' again as a possibility. Hanas pointing out the similarities between himself and Karatallid. <br><br>

Hanas said:

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Karatallid said:

<br>Well, Silchas is pretty close to a low poster.&nbsp;&nbsp;He's got 9 posts, only 5 of which actually have content.&nbsp;&nbsp;The rest are just condemning me for being French Canadian.<br>
<br><br>Yes, I know this is day 1 shit.&nbsp;&nbsp;But I have an odd sense of humor and this amuses me.<br>You think it's bad that you're being targeted because you're French Canadian?&nbsp;&nbsp;I've got people targeting me because Liz is German.<br>
<br><br><br><br>
<br>Seriously?&nbsp;&nbsp;You're a fucking retard.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 03:41 AM

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 03:44 AM

I'm off to sleep shortly.

Vote Kara

I don't like his defensiveness, and think Korlat makes several good points, particularly about the convenient switch of who was symping me. I'm not hugely convinced on the theories as to his symp, but think his own play merits a lynch, and certainly beats voting myself.

Kind of interesting to notice Korlat's commitment on Cast as symp but not killer. Almost makes me want to vote Cast, and if people are around I'd possibly rather vote that way, but don't want a no lynch, so will hang around for a few minutes to see.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 04:15 AM

Shadow said:

1371008664[/url]' post='1062282']
I'm off to sleep shortly.

Vote Kara

I don't like his defensiveness, and think Korlat makes several good points, particularly about the convenient switch of who was symping me. I'm not hugely convinced on the theories as to his symp, but think his own play merits a lynch, and certainly beats voting myself.

Kind of interesting to notice Korlat's commitment on Cast as symp but not killer. Almost makes me want to vote Cast, and if people are around I'd possibly rather vote that way, but don't want a no lynch, so will hang around for a few minutes to see.


Nice to see that you "don't want a no lynch". So if it gets closer to timing out, you will self-vote to make certain that we do get a lynch.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 04:41 AM

Just got back. How long till time out... anyone have a vote count? I think there are around 20 min remaining but not sure.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 04:44 AM

View PostPath-Shaper, on 11 June 2013 - 07:58 PM, said:

It is Day 5. 9 hours and 40 minutes remaining

7 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Hanas, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Tholen

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Shadow ( Cast, Karatallid )
2 Votes for Hanas ( Tholen, Hanas )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Korlat, Shadow


SO I think there are around 40 minutes left and it's 3 votes Karatallid and 3 votes shadow? Is anyone around? PS, a vote count would help a ton.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 04:45 AM

Starling... I see you! Go jump into PS and update me!!

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 04:47 AM

Gonna wait around till 10:30 PST and see if any mod has checked in... I feel under the gun here with the 3 votes (I think) on each player... Did scum split their vote? Are there 2 scum on 1 train? Hanas is on Shadow, which makes me not want to vote Shadow... But this Karatallid vote kinda came out of nowhere...gonna go shower and think about it. Back in a bit.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 04:51 AM

It is Day 5. 50 minutes remaining.

7 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Hanas, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Tholen

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

3 Votes for Shadow ( Cast, Karatallid, Hanas )
1 Vote for Hanas ( Tholen )
3 Votes for Karatallid ( Atrahal, Korlat, Shadow )

Players not voted:

-Starling
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 12 June 2013 - 04:57 AM

Tholen said:

1371012468[/url]' post='1062293']
Gonna wait around till 10:30 PST and see if any mod has checked in... I feel under the gun here with the 3 votes (I think) on each player... Did scum split their vote? Are there 2 scum on 1 train? Hanas is on Shadow, which makes me not want to vote Shadow... But this Karatallid vote kinda came out of nowhere...gonna go shower and think about it. Back in a bit.


Well, if I was scum I'd vote Kara for the lynch. But Korlat straw manned me a lot. So I switched back to Shadow.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 05:22 AM

View PostHanas, on 12 June 2013 - 04:57 AM, said:

View PostTholen, on 12 June 2013 - 04:47 AM, said:

Gonna wait around till 10:30 PST and see if any mod has checked in... I feel under the gun here with the 3 votes (I think) on each player... Did scum split their vote? Are there 2 scum on 1 train? Hanas is on Shadow, which makes me not want to vote Shadow... But this Karatallid vote kinda came out of nowhere...gonna go shower and think about it. Back in a bit.


Well, if I was scum I'd vote Kara for the lynch. But Korlat straw manned me a lot. So I switched back to Shadow.




You know I'm here. Easy to sit back. I don't put much stock in that.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 05:23 AM

View PostPath-Shaper, on 12 June 2013 - 04:51 AM, said:

It is Day 5. 50 minutes remaining.

7 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Hanas, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Tholen

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

3 Votes for Shadow ( Cast, Karatallid, Hanas )
1 Vote for Hanas ( Tholen )
3 Votes for Karatallid ( Atrahal, Korlat, Shadow )

Players not voted:

-Starling


Thanks Starling!

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 05:24 AM

remove vote

Gonna go read up on the Karatallid case and be back for my vote.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 05:32 AM

It is Day 5. 6 minutes remaining

7 Players still alive: Atrahal, Cast, Hanas, Karatallid, Korlat, Shadow, Tholen

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

3 Votes for Shadow ( Cast, Karatallid, Hanas )
3 Votes for Karatallid ( Atrahal, Korlat, Shadow )

Players not voted: Tholen
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 12 June 2013 - 05:35 AM

Well I have read up.

Things Going for the Karatallid case are the fact that Hanas isn't on the train... which isnt to say he wouldn't jump on in the next ten minutes, but I cant chance that. Things against the Kara case is that it came out of nowhere and got 3 votes bam bam bam. That is fishy.

Things going for the shadow case are that it's pretty 100% that he isn't a symp, so he could be a killer, as well as his distancing behavior and continued insistence that his day one play would never be used by scum. Things against the shadow case are the fact that Hanas is on the train, as well as a few of the things that Atrahal and Korlat have mentioned.

My head says Kara, my gut says Shadow.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 05:36 AM

vote Shadow

my gut has been right a lot lately. Gonna follow it. Plus I just don't feel Kara has played like scum the past day.

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