[Kilava]

Ruse, on 19 May 2013 - 05:11 PM, said:

I'm looking scummier and scummier yet he goes onto to build cases elsewhere. oh look in Ryadd who we know us innocent and spite whom I think will be innocent sure to Kilava pushing for him to self vote just like he did with Thyr

Please justify why being wrong is being scummy.

By that reasoning, anyone who voted Kalse or Thyr is scummy for it.

Slight defence of spite.

Do you disagree with the idea that it would have been best for him to hammer himself?

[Kilava]

It is also rather interesting to note that for all Ruse mentions the end of the day is interesting:

Ruse, on 18 May 2013 - 08:17 AM, said:

Very very interesting end to the day. Leaning on spite being innocent, I wouldn't have self voted there at all because Kilava's urging looked proper scummy. Its our fault if scum win this game. We haven't discussed things through much, I think one of the main reason is because every post is replied to and shot down by Kilava. I will readoverthe end of day posts. We need a most likely lynch here, who does think most likely is scum, I will read thread and postthoughts on Monday

He goes straight back to going for me. On a side note, he's defended Spite a couple of times today. Though he and Pallid were a part of why the Spite lynch was the main one, so not sure I'd call it sympy.

He goes straight back for me, even after he decided to leave me earlier and go for Trake instead. He did that even though I pointed out at the time that it made no sense for him to make that vote based on the idea of Trake being my partner. And then today he's decided to go straight back for me again, because he thinks we shouldn't be looking at partners before finding scum.

In my opinion, the failed lynch is the best actual evidence we have had all to start looking for scum on.

And yet he pretty much ignores it and goes straight back to me instead. And he keeps mentioning that I've not yet voted him...

When was I meant to?

Day one? He didn't seem as scummy.
Day two? Kalse was my main target.
Day three? I would've been happy to, but there were external constraints on whether or not it would've been possible.

And he seems to be keeping going for it. It seems almost like he wants to draw me into voting him. Maybe so he can go "Told you so" because he pre-emptively suggested I would, and use that to add to his case or something.

I do think Ruse's behaviour has been contradictory, and often scummy.

He isn't my main choice of vote for today, because I feel the failed vote is a stronger indication of scumminess.

Moreover, I feel it is possible he is a townie playing very inconsistently (though based mainly on meta reasoning, I'm slightly unwilling to commit to that). It also seems quite possible he is a symp. Stirring up a lot of interest and drawing attention, and in particular doing it on a day where we have the failed lynch information to consider when the day before he had dropped that focus...

Happy with my vote atm, thanks.

[Denul]

Where the hell is everyone else?

[Ruse]

Other than you Kilava, there are 6 other suspects. I feel quite narrow minded focusing solely on you. Now I am at a computer instead of a phone I will look through, write notes, and come back with a summary.

[Ruse]

First thing I will post is current post count for remaining players,


Kilava 152,

Ruse 80,

Trake 52,

Denul 36,

Monok 31,

Pallid 21,

Anthras 18,

Spite 15

[Ruse]

Can you honestly say any of the ones below 40 posts deserve a victory? Only if you are their partner Kilava because your average post count would be above 80 posts regardless.

[Ruse]

Trake day one, active. Since day one? Inactive. The count above shows us he is the third highest post playing the game but where is his content? Mostly day one.

I am not quoting all his posts, he does make some that have content in them but a lot of them..

Trake, on 14 May 2013 - 07:49 PM, said:

I think that we have too.

Trake, on 14 May 2013 - 07:50 PM, said:

You forgot to bold the vote.

Trake, on 14 May 2013 - 07:57 PM, said:

still didn't bold

Trake, on 14 May 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

Still didn't bold

Trake, on 14 May 2013 - 08:10 PM, said:

You have to remove vote first.

Trake, on 14 May 2013 - 08:14 PM, said:

I read the board and I know exactly how far to go. I did not step over the line in any way. Thanks for the thought though.

Trake, on 15 May 2013 - 04:13 PM, said:

Thyrllan has been lynched. He was town and Khellendros.

This almost makes up for the fact that he wasn't scum. It does take some of the shine off of lynching him with him having played the entire day as a newb who accidentally wandered into a mafia game. But still any Khell lynch is a good lynch.


Kilva I don't get either case. Ruse stands out to me as more suspicious but that just might be because his cases and comments don't make any sense. I am crazy busy in RL today but hopefully I will be able to get on and see if a case can be made.

First mention of RL stuff. Now if this is the case then fair enough. I won't vote Trake because of this.

Trake, on 15 May 2013 - 04:16 PM, said:

Everyone loves lists. They are fun to make. Show an orderly mind and what not. Perhaps you should make a list on why your such a tard. Of everyone here I am the only one being a good towny. You might qualify but since your an idiot it takes you out of the running.

Trake, on 15 May 2013 - 09:10 PM, said:

Cause he is Khell and it was funny.

Trake, on 16 May 2013 - 04:20 PM, said:

Sorry another crazy day at work. This could continue for a while.

Trake, on 17 May 2013 - 04:04 PM, said:

Still in a clusterfuck at work. I am not scum but I do not have the time to play this game till monday at the earliest. If you lynch me fine. At least another member of town won't go. Don't lynch me off of Ruse's bullshit logic though. The man is a moron.

He should have more time at the beginning of this week. Now after doing a recap and review over Trake I want to put him on the town side over scum side. Not because of his play but because of circumstance. He at least let us know he was going to be away from the thread and give us a reason why. If he was scum then that would be a shit tactic to avoid being lynched. He is not low posting on purpose, he is hampered by work and has not been able to participate.

Yes there are things there that would make me feel Trake was scum, ie building up his post count at the beginning of the game to avoid being accused of a low poster, post padding as you vets would call it. Also other things I have said about him throughout the game.


So 85% town. 15% scum.

[Ruse]

First off. Kilava I want to apologise. I have been so focused upon you I have not had a good look elsewhere. I would be willing to vote Spite, my thoughts below...

Spite hadn't posted until Serc mentioned him. HERE

Spite, on 14 May 2013 - 03:00 AM, said:

Not bad for first day postings. It looks like many would prefer to skip the normal first day rubbish. I didn't think there would be anything interesting posted so far.

He doesn't allaborate on this. he doesn't let us know what is "interesting" and he doesn't add his own comments to what he finds "interesting". YET

Spite, on 14 May 2013 - 12:07 PM, said:

I don't think any of the current cases are particularly strong in general, but looking at them as first day cases might be our only choice. As of right now, I guess I'd be most willing to vote for thyrllan. I don't really think he's actually pretending to be so uninformed, but you just can't ever know for sure. I'll hold off for a while longer.

He then says the cases are not strong and it is only day one. Thyrllan had the most votes on him and that is who Spite would most "prefer". This is a recurring theme throughout the game as I will prove. Is this a townie who just wants to vote along?

Spite, on 14 May 2013 - 12:19 PM, said:

I'm placing my vote for thyrllan for right now just in case. None of the cases are great, but of the only ones out there, I'm willing to test this one. I'll try to be on between now and time out.
vote thyr

No comment yet on any other player.

[Ruse]

What a Twat. Internet went down as I posted. Lost th fucking post.

[Ruse]

I quoted his posts on day two, pointed out his comments about the Serc night kill and the relation to Kalse. How he says that it has nothing to do with his vote but he does vote that way. He doesn't mention any other player and just follows along. He didn't vote until Kilava, Eldat and Anthras had voted.

[Ruse]

By the way Kilava, you had 3 votes on this day, as opposed to a whole nothing for no one else. The people voting for you were Mockra, Ryadd and myself, 2 confirmed innocents. Then the vote swings to Kalse, an unknown, with not much interaction. At this stage your death would have given town the most information. I know I am looking elsewhere but your partner could well be Anthras or Eldat.

Back to Spite. After the day one lynch.

Spite, on 15 May 2013 - 11:45 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 15 May 2013 - 12:13 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 1 hour remaining.

14 players still alive: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kalse, Kilava, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Serc, Spite, Ruse, Ryadd Eleis, Thyrllan, Trake

8 votes to lynch, 7 to go to night. 

8 votes Thyrllan: Trake, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Serc, Ryadd Eleis, Monok Ochem, Thyrllan
1 vote Kalse: Kilava 
2 votes Kilava: Eldat Pressen, Kalse, Mockra

Players not voted: Anthras, Denul

Thyrllan has been lynched. He was town and Khellendros.

Serc has been killed. He was town and Messremb.

It is now Day 2. 36 hours remaining.

12 players still alive: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kalse, Kilava, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Ryadd Eleis, Trake

7 votes to lynch, 6 to go to night. 

Players not voted: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kalse, Kilava, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Ryadd Eleis, Trake

I know many have discussed this already, but I just wanted to say "WHAT THE HECK?" I don't want to say, "I knew it!" but I was very sure something was entirely odd about Thyr. I was nearly sure that we'd had scum fall into our laps with the way Thyr was behaving on thread. Though, I didn't know it was that great an act. I was thinking it was actually a somewhat new player who felt like milking it to stay alive as a killer. This is extremely odd.

Like a couple people pointed out, Thyr must have been the symp. If not then it doesn't make any sense at all. Though we shouldn't assume the symp is dead for WCS purposes.

The death for Serc could be attributed to anything. The only interactions that seem vital are with Kalse, and someone has already posted the relevant quotes. I'm catching up and will move on to the current cases next, after another quick read.

[Ruse]

Then after the Kalse lynch.

Spite, on 17 May 2013 - 05:04 AM, said:

So the Kalse lynch went through, although it looks like it almost stalled out. I have to wonder if it was anyone's intent that it almost did exactly that. It could have stalled as a close tie between Kilava and Kalse.

Mockra was killed during the night. I don't see that we can get much from that.

There hasn't been much action today, so I think I'll wait and post more in depth later on in the day. In brief, I am interested in what Ruse is suggesting about it being either Kilava and Trake or Kilava and Pallid as the pair of killers, although I'm not necessarily agreeing here. This does sort of relate to that first day "thing" between Ryadd and Pallid about that "fellow critter" post. I was still interested in looking back at this, and mainly because we haven't really had much for super solid cases to go on. I was starting to view Pallid as a helpful townie to a certain extent, although this is mafia so that isn't very much. I guess I could potentially get behind a Ryadd vote, as it would shine a light in a totally new direction, as our latest roads haven't paid off.

I will hold off for now though. I'd like to hear from nearly everyone before I make my choice this time. Ruse spoke of us and our need to choose better this time, and I have to agree. We need to get one right. I'm also fairly interested in what Pallid would think about a Ryadd vote, as that particular case involved him with Ryadd.

[Ruse]

See a pattern here? He comments on the lynch and night kill but this time Mockra's night kill does not give us any information?

[Ruse]

I vote him but not because I wanted to, more like I thought we needed a lynch and time was running out.

Ruse, on 17 May 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

remove vote

Vote spite

We need a lynch and no one seems to want to follow me In voting whatsoever

Pallid, on 17 May 2013 - 09:31 PM, said:

Just read thru the couple of pages. No time today ugh. On phone. Agree with whoevers read on Spite. MO annoying, would scum be that useless? Pressen needs more closely examined.

Need lynch for sure, spite middle of road consistently, want to hear what Trake thinks

Vote Spite

So does Pallid.

Spite, on 17 May 2013 - 09:32 PM, said:

Ruse, on 17 May 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

remove vote

Vote spite

We need a lynch and no one seems to want to follow me In voting whatsoever

Thanks. I know that there are 4 of us low posters, but at least I have been trying. I don't really feel a Monok vote, but it's better than dying because not enough of us can get our shit together.

vote Monok

In my eyes neither of these lynches at this time would yield us much information. The underlined is what Spite says. This is what makes me feel he is town. A lot of subsequent posts are in a similar vein. This makes me not want to lynch Spite.

Monok Ochem, on 17 May 2013 - 10:03 PM, said:

Eldat Pressen, on 17 May 2013 - 04:37 PM, said:

Spite, on 17 May 2013 - 05:04 AM, said:

So the Kalse lynch went through, although it looks like it almost stalled out. I have to wonder if it was anyone's intent that it almost did exactly that. It could have stalled as a close tie between Kilava and Kalse.

Mockra was killed during the night. I don't see that we can get much from that.

There hasn't been much action today, so I think I'll wait and post more in depth later on in the day. In brief, I am interested in what Ruse is suggesting about it being either Kilava and Trake or Kilava and Pallid as the pair of killers, although I'm not necessarily agreeing here. This does sort of relate to that first day "thing" between Ryadd and Pallid about that "fellow critter" post. I was still interested in looking back at this, and mainly because we haven't really had much for super solid cases to go on. I was starting to view Pallid as a helpful townie to a certain extent, although this is mafia so that isn't very much. I guess I could potentially get behind a Ryadd vote, as it would shine a light in a totally new direction, as our latest roads haven't paid off.

I will hold off for now though. I'd like to hear from nearly everyone before I make my choice this time. Ruse spoke of us and our need to choose better this time, and I have to agree. We need to get one right. I'm also fairly interested in what Pallid would think about a Ryadd vote, as that particular case involved him with Ryadd.

Boom.

vote Spite




The Ryadd modkill actually helped us. It puts us in the right number for the odd/even at the end. This post by spite is quite wishy washy. It basically boils down to waiting for others to post so he can respond. This combined with his low posting and his willingness to go after Ryadd ( though, admittedly thats very minor) makes him a good option in my opinion.

I sense genuine frustration in Ruse and I get the same vibe from him that I did from Mockra. So I don't think I'd be willing to vote Ruse.

Right now I can see a Spite/Trake pairing. Though Monok's continued insistence on not having any opinion outside of finding me scummy is annoying and not helpful at all. Still can't tell if he's a bored inno or scum.

not sure what the case really is although this is it I assume, seems a bland post to explain a uncertain vote "Boom"

I am going to go insane. Things make Spite seem scummy. Same with others. Kilava/Eldat Kilava/Anthras Kilava/Trake Kilava/Spite Kiava/Denul Kilava/Pallid my head will explode. I cannot get you out of my head Kilava you sonofabitch

[Ruse]

Okay so the Spite lynch failed. Why?

We should have the numbers to lynch. Kilava stated that a no lynch benefitted scum through the odd/even rule. We have had 30 hours of absolute minimal posting. Then Pallid and I vote for Spite, so the train and lynch is underway. Not the best lynch but A lynch nonetheless. So what happens?

Path-Shaper, on 17 May 2013 - 07:56 PM, said:

It is now day 3. 6 hours 36 minutes remaining.


9 players still alive: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kilava, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Trake

6 votes to lynch, 5 to go to night.

1 vote Trake: Ruse
1 vote Ryadd Eleis: Kilava
1 vote Spite: Eldat Pressen

Players not voted: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Trake

Ruse, on 17 May 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

remove vote

Vote spite

We need a lynch and no one seems to want to follow me In voting whatsoever

Pallid, on 17 May 2013 - 09:31 PM, said:

Just read thru the couple of pages. No time today ugh. On phone. Agree with whoevers read on Spite. MO annoying, would scum be that useless? Pressen needs more closely examined.

Need lynch for sure, spite middle of road consistently, want to hear what Trake thinks

Vote Spite

Spite decides to vote Monok because "even though he is following along and not really contributing" Monok's lynch will help us more than a Spite lynch. Really? So what you are telling me here Spite is that come end game you are going to single handedly find us scum and create a case that will help us nail them? Bullshit. I do think you are town but I don't think you should think "better them than me".

Spite, on 17 May 2013 - 09:32 PM, said:

Ruse, on 17 May 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

remove vote

Vote spite

We need a lynch and no one seems to want to follow me In voting whatsoever

Thanks. I know that there are 4 of us low posters, but at least I have been trying. I don't really feel a Monok vote, but it's better than dying because not enough of us can get our shit together.

vote Monok

[Ruse]

Monok Ochem, on 17 May 2013 - 09:18 PM, said:

this sucks, I kind of feel like nobody is into the game, but I guess everybody could be getting RL reamed at once - btw Kilava, I would never pretend to be super busy as you suggest

I am having a special time at work


I can't shake my crazy theory that Kilava & Trake are partners, I should never have let that foolishness into my head. The only thing that gives it strength is that they are both still alive

I feel posts like this make me believe in Monok and Spite being innocent.

[Ruse]

4 hours to go. Not much thread activity. This suggests it will be hard for us to get a lynch. It is okay for Kilava to vote Monok here as at least Kilava has stated he WILL be around to switch. This should show as two votes for Monok I think.

Path-Shaper, on 17 May 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

It is now day 3. 4 hours 11 minutes remaining.


9 players still alive: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kilava, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Trake

6 votes to lynch, 5 to go to night.

3 votes Spite: Eldat Pressen, Ruse, Pallid
1 vote Monok Ochem: Spite

Players not voted: Anthras, Denul, Kilava, Monok Ochem, Trake

[Ruse]

Kilava, on 17 May 2013 - 10:39 PM, said:

Ruse, on 17 May 2013 - 10:19 PM, said:

battery will die, I like monok I think. I only voted spite to try get numbers got lynch, anyone want to partake in clearing up Trake?

If you're not going to be around to switch, bear time in mind.

Kilava makes the point here. I meant my post as I like Monok. Not as a lynch but as on town side of the fence.

[Ruse]

What is the point of Anthras playing in this game? Just reading this post pisses me off. 4. First off he is ignorant of the time left in the day. It is important for town to know this, to know when their vote is needed.

Anthras, on 17 May 2013 - 10:49 PM, said:

1. Having read through the thread quickly, it seems that the case on Spite can just as easily be used against most of the low posters in the game, myself included.


2. As for Monok getting some heat, it is possible he's just a coasting scum, but he's playing it cool and to be honest it doesn't come off as scummy.

3. I feel like he is likely town, but I suppose he could be scum if he really doesn't give a shit. If we need to push a low posting lynch just so we can get a lynch before the day's end, I suppose we can do it.

4. But I figure we have about 8-10 hours left in the day (correct me if I'm wrong), so there's no need to push this quickly.

5. Now that I have some time on my hands, I'd like to take a closer look at Ruse. Several of his posts have come off as strange, especially those trying to push the idea that Kilava is scum (which I find doubtful at this point, since we semi-tested this with the Kalse lynch). I'll gather some of these posts in a bit after I get some food and read through the thread again.

So point 1. The chosen ones for the day could be made about everyone in this game so far barring Kilava and myself. just cause some players have less posts than others. 15 posts or 36 posts after a week in real time and 3 game days is not enough. Not nearly enough. Town are fucking themselves over by doing this.

Point 2. He doesn't see Monok as scummy.

point 3. Again likely town but will vote to get a lynch. IF THIS IS THE CASE THEN WHY NOT VOTE SPITE WHO HAD THE MOST VOTES ON HIM?

Mentioned already about the ignorance of the time..

Point 5. So we have 4 hours or less, and he wants to build a case on a new candidate. All that would do is stall this lynch. I do not think it is good town play at all, and he hasn't had much of a "presence" to actually get people to vote his way.


Going back and reading Kilava's summary I could definitely see Anthras as a Kilava partner OR one part of a scum team that doesn't include Kilava. Ie Anthras and Eldat/Pallid/Denul.

[Ruse]

3 hours and 40 left. Time running out. Here is how the votes stand.

Path-Shaper, on 17 May 2013 - 10:52 PM, said:

Kilava, on 17 May 2013 - 10:38 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 17 May 2013 - 10:21 PM, said:

It is now day 3. 4 hours 11 minutes remaining.


9 players still alive: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kilava, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Trake

6 votes to lynch, 5 to go to night.

3 votes Spite: Eldat Pressen, Ruse, Pallid
1 vote Monok Ochem: Spite

Players not voted: Anthras, Denul, Kilava, Monok Ochem, Trake

I voted Monok.

Remove vote

Vote Monok

In case you weren't counting it for w/e reason.

Sorry, my bad...

It is now day 3. 3 hours 40 minutes remaining.


9 players still alive: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kilava, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Trake

6 votes to lynch, 5 to go to night.

3 votes Spite: Eldat Pressen, Ruse, Pallid
2 votes Monok Ochem: Spite, Kilava

Players not voted: Anthras, Denul, Monok Ochem, Trake