[Denul]

You could have voted for the most likely lynch.

The lynch that is most likely is the one with the most votes.

Dumbass.

[Ruse]

Very very interesting end to the day. Leaning on spite being innocent, I wouldn't have self voted there at all because Kilava's urging looked proper scummy. Its our fault if scum win this game. We haven't discussed things through much, I think one of the main reason is because every post is replied to and shot down by Kilava. I will readoverthe end of day posts. We need a most likely lynch here, who does think most likely is scum, I will read thread and postthoughts on Monday

[Kilava]

Ruse, on 18 May 2013 - 08:17 AM, said:

We haven't discussed things through much, I think one of the main reason is because every post is replied to and shot down by Kilava.

"People haven't been discussing things much...I blame the guy discussing things because he's been discussing things"

This post has been edited by Kilava: 18 May 2013 - 03:29 PM

[Ruse]

Kalse, on 13 May 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:

Kilava, on 13 May 2013 - 03:11 AM, said:

Also, check my rockin' panther avatar.

Vote Kilava

Only scum would admire a silent stalker killer who is able to hide in the night.

I think kalse' could have been symp. This vote is a type of signal as no one will follow this through to a lynch.

[Ruse]

That may be why kalse didn't defend himself much.

[Ruse]

Kalse, on 14 May 2013 - 03:06 PM, said:

Oh also why are you so afraid of one joke vote? Clearly you have something to hide.

although he does ask a good question of Kilava

[Ruse]

Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 03:57 PM, said:

Mockra, on 14 May 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

Kilava, I wonder why you are voting Kalse when the suspicion was that he was signalling you. Destroying evidence?


I also find Pallid's response to my accusation over the top, OMGUS. It was the first vote on him, with no following train, so why the intentional misunderstanding of what I was getting at (that RE was signaling his master Pallid).

Meh, there are signalling accusations flying left right and centre atm, and those kinds of cases are usually pretty shaky to begin with. If I was scum, it seems a bit stupid to draw attention to Kalse if he had been signalling me. Also, if I was scum and thought he was signalling me, why would I try and get him lynched at this point? I mean, I'd have to be pretty worried about the connection to think it was worth ditching a symp over, and I haven't really seen much pressure for it at all, so why would I be?

To throw us off the scent. You seem to defend yourself all the time. Preempting cases against you.

[Ruse]

Eldat Pressen, on 14 May 2013 - 04:26 PM, said:

remove vote


Vote Kilava


So it wasn't as tough a catch up as I thought. I think you are all idiots in your reasoning for voting Thyr. I won't be a part of the train with 8 hours left that will make the lynch inevitable. If you need my vote at L-1 with an hour left, I'll vote to lynch, but I think the reasoning for voting him is ridiculous. Kiliva's play has been, to this point...wait for it....wait for it................almost there..... smooth. ahhhhhhhhh that felt good. So That's where I am placing my vote, though I don't think I'll get much support. I am still willing to vote Serc as well. Honestly, what scum is going to come on and continually post the shit Thyr is posting. Do you think his partner wouldn't be screaming at him off thread to shut the fuck up, telling him what to say to do damage control? But nope, we haven't seen that. It's just been Thyr bumbling around the thread. I don't buy it. This lynch is too easy, and Thyr is not playing like any killer I have seen. I'm not going to be a part of it. Serc and Kilava scum team. Mark it.

One reason we haven't voted Kilava is because we are trying to pair him with someone but haven't actually had a reason build on him to see who defends him and where votes lie. What I will find bad is that if we lynch him and he does turn out to be scum then his partner could be a multitude of people due to all his interactions. It literally could be any one of you.

[Ruse]

Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

This first one is fine, it's in the stage where people are mostly checking in.

Kalse, on 13 May 2013 - 05:40 AM, said:

Blah blah blah. Had a yada

This next post comes shortly after my Trake case/vote (and Trake's initial reaction). As in, it's literally right in the midst of that discussion. It comes about 15 minutes after Trakes reaction to my vote, about half an hour after my vote itself. It also comes after:

Trake's vote on Thyr (which Kalse apparently agrees with, though he didn't mention it at all at the time).
Ruse's vote on Trake (both the initial vote, and his attack on Trake for coming on and pointing fingers elsewhere immediately). Kalse apparently thought Ruse was deflecting from Thyr by voting Trake. Though again, he didn't deign to mention it at the time.

Kalse, on 13 May 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:

Kilava, on 13 May 2013 - 03:11 AM, said:

Also, check my rockin' panther avatar.

Vote Kilava

Only scum would admire a silent stalker killer who is able to hide in the night.

Trake is prompted to actually try and get some contribution.

Trake, on 13 May 2013 - 06:48 PM, said:

Kalse, on 13 May 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:

Kilava, on 13 May 2013 - 03:11 AM, said:

Also, check my rockin' panther avatar.

Vote Kilava

Only scum would admire a silent stalker killer who is able to hide in the night.

Kalse do you have any opinion on Denul and Thy? Or for that matter Ruse?

Since apparently Kalse does have an opinion on these guys, you'd think his next post might address it.

Nope. The next post comes after me and Trake have our argument/discussion, with lots of discussion about the likelihood of Thyr being symped etc. The Thyr train has grown a little.There has also been a good deal of discussion about Ruse's odd vote. Kalse does not mention any of this, just drops in with this:

Kalse, on 13 May 2013 - 10:09 PM, said:

What is wrong with you people? Path-Shaper hasn't been lynched yet? He is clearly spysat117 and has been recruited by Big Ben.

We need to kill him before he kills us.

And then this. Shortly after some discussion about Ruse's motives that he decides not to get in on. Also just after Thyr starts playing the noob card. Again unmentioned.

Kalse, on 14 May 2013 - 03:01 AM, said:

Professor Plum did it in the Billard room with the horseshoe.

When does he actually give us any content? When he starts getting pressure. He comes on and attacks me and Ruse (which is kind of OMGUS really). Apparently he'd had suspicions all along. Oh, and Ruse's vote was totally deflecting from Thyr.

He then hops onto the most likely train...

This is scummy play. He is coasting tremendously. And there is no way it is just oblivious. He is on when stuff is happening, people have called for contribution for numerous times, and he continues to post without meaning, until more pressure is applied. That is when he comes on, and implies that earlier he did have suspicions.

I absolutely don't buy it. He's coasting, staying below radar, and only contributing under pressure. He's playing it safe by regurgitating safe opinions after the dust has settled, even though apparently we're to believe that he had an opinion on Thyr and Ruse's vote.

Edit for clarity.

I think anyone in this game has done scummy play. Kilava doesn't Shit right with me because his long posts and high and mighty attitude makes him hard to engage and get a read on. The people he has built cases on and pointed suspicions at have died and have been innocent, its easy for him to point fingers cause he knows who scum is. Say scum turn out to be Paulus and Trake then out wouldn't surprise me if Kilava was the symp because he had been the most dominant figure of this game.

I'm not the cleverest player but I can see when we are being played.

[Ruse]

Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 08:15 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 14 May 2013 - 08:04 PM, said:

Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 08:00 PM, said:

Sorry dude, but the killers already know each other. They get off thread communications.

M&P mafia usually works as a small group of scum who know each other (symp knows killers, killers almost never know symp), vs a large group of town who don't know anything about peoples alignment.

Also, your method is going to be biased towards people with more/longer posts.

Oh right. So you think that Ruse and Serc are not the killers then? But if killers don't know the symp then Trake could still be the symp, right? So I think then that we should lynch Trake because he would still be scum.

Vote Trake

I'm pretty unsure on Ruse. His initial vote on Trake was kind of weird, as was some of the logic following it.
Serc has been very low key, which is probably the most suspicious thing about him.
Trake could be the symp. He came on and played pretty aggressively, drew attention. Ruse earlier accused him of immediately coming on pointing fingers, which could fit with symp. But since symps show up as inno, there's not that much point voting him for it. Also he has been drawing people into the game and getting reactions, which is usually good for the town. The most suspicious thing about him remains some of his earlier over-reactions. Seems to have quieted down somewhat, which could be because he got some pressure for being obnoxious, or could just be because he doesn't have anything he feels like arguing about atm.

Currently I'm more inclined to go for the people who seem to be trying to keep their heads down. Since day one can have pretty shaky or random lynches, and often the more vocal people are targets just because there is info on them, scum often do keep their heads down, more than on other days even. Of the people you listed, Serc would probably fit that profile closest.

It's why I'm voting Kalse. He's been keeping his head down, and doing it in a manner that seems artificial to me.

Paints Trake as a possible symp here not worth lynching according to him. Points fingers at Serc and kalse.wants to also go after low lying people. This is similar to what Trake said earlier. Trake wanted to get rid of low lying people.

I don't want to paint partners because we haven't got the first killer yet. Each read through yields Kilava as the killer

[Ruse]

Eldat Pressen, on 14 May 2013 - 10:01 PM, said:

Serc, on 14 May 2013 - 09:46 PM, said:

Eldat Pressen, on 14 May 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 14 May 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

But why are there only 2 votes required to lynch me? Shouldn't there be 8 as with everyone else? I guess there's probably a good reason behind that, but I just don't see it, so sorry for the likely stupid question.

I mean really guys? You are going to lynch this? Really? You think his partner is just going to let him keep shooting himself in the foot? Ugh.

Just out of interest - were you a paired killer with Thyrllan here, how would you have tried to salvage the hopeless situation he found himself in? Distance, distance distance.

On thread, yes. I'd actually be doing what I am right now... but off thread I would be walking him through exactly what to say. After reading more of his posts though, he's laying it on pretty thick. It might be all an act, especially after seeing the inability to vote crap. I still don't think there is any way he's a killer. At worst he's a distracting symp.


Kilava made some good points on a Kalse/Ruse Pair.

One reason we keep lynching town us because of Kilava making good points that in hindsight were wrong

[Ruse]

Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 10:35 PM, said:

Serc, on 14 May 2013 - 10:13 PM, said:

I'd noted that too - although I also see that she has me down as keeping my head down, hence scummy.

Meh, personally you're not currently that high on my suspects list, and are floating around the same level as a lot of people. I don't feel like I've got much of a read on you. For number of posts you've drawn very little heat though. The earlier accusation on being middle of the road didn't seem totally unjustified either.

In terms of keeping your head down, you haven't seemed to be doing it so determinedly as Kalse. Monok Ochem is another that I noticed. There are also still a bunch of people who really haven't posted much at all.

Adding monok to his kalse, Serc, ruse list.

[Ruse]

Like a future set up

[Ruse]

Monok Ochem, on 14 May 2013 - 11:07 PM, said:

If Thyr is into some RP, I'm going to punch him for acting like that

You have crapped up the thread, and lately would have us think you well intentioned

I have to leave and won't return until tomorrow

vote Thyr

I will leave it to the others to decide your fate

genuine concern from monok over Thyr damaging town

[Ruse]

Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 11:10 PM, said:

Monok Ochem, on 14 May 2013 - 11:07 PM, said:

If Thyr is into some RP, I'm going to punch him for acting like that

You have crapped up the thread, and lately would have us think you well intentioned

Haha, will be a bit annoyed if I've been explaining stuff for the benefit of a vet.

Ha ha yeah.

Sarcasm.

[Ruse]

Mockra, on 14 May 2013 - 11:30 PM, said:

Interesting that Kilava has declined to hammer. Leader of the thread but doesn't want to lead the lynch.

Your dead. You make a good point though.

[Ruse]

Mockra, on 14 May 2013 - 11:37 PM, said:

Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 11:34 PM, said:

For that matter, you could've hammered just then if you think there's a particular reason to?

Well first of all, Thyr just self hammered, but more relevantly, I doubt he's our killer. Seems more like a townie who was caught being stupid and tried to overcompensate. There are others who seem to be adept at shifting interest where they want it, and that I associate with scum more than stupidity.

You. You are shifting focus. Directing town. Who made you leader and why should we keep following you?

[Ruse]

Mockra, on 14 May 2013 - 11:41 PM, said:

What really tickled my interest was the way you voted Kalse and Kalse voted you. Seems like an abrupt attempt at distancing. However, both of you were a little goofy about it (particulary Kalse) as if it was Day 1 shenanigans. Makes me wonder you know.

Kalse as Kilava symp fits this scenario

[Ruse]

Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 11:44 PM, said:

Mockra, on 14 May 2013 - 11:41 PM, said:

What really tickled my interest was the way you voted Kalse and Kalse voted you. Seems like an abrupt attempt at distancing. However, both of you were a little goofy about it (particulary Kalse) as if it was Day 1 shenanigans. Makes me wonder you know.

My vote on Kalse is perfectly serious. At this point in time I think he's the most likely scum. He perfectly fits the profile of a killer trying to remain under the radar, to the extent of actively avoiding engaging in discussion.

Kalses vote on me seemed OMGUS, and his justification verges on making no sense.

How can this be a stood vote when 4 other players were playing the same way?

[Ruse]

Mockra, on 14 May 2013 - 11:47 PM, said:

Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 11:41 PM, said:

Mockra, on 14 May 2013 - 11:37 PM, said:

Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 11:34 PM, said:

For that matter, you could've hammered just then if you think there's a particular reason to?

Well first of all, Thyr just self hammered, but more relevantly, I doubt he's our killer. Seems more like a townie who was caught being stupid and tried to overcompensate. There are others who seem to be adept at shifting interest where they want it, and that I associate with scum more than stupidity.

Hmm, why do you think there was much reason for me to hammer then?

I've not been the strongest proponent of the lynch either.

Also would've been nice to hear from some of the people who haven't been around/chipped in much.

It's all about commitment. I don't get the impression you would have ever hammered. You are too busy proposing all different directions of thought, asking people's opinions and rattling Thyr's chains on the side. Guiding the thread.

I've come to find that the smooth player is one with something to hide, and that how people act on Day 1 is telling given the vulnerability of no one knowing who each other are and not wanting to be the victim of a hit and run lynch.

I guess the best way to sum it up is you are acting the townie role too well, and that my friend is truly scummy.

I agree. Nothing has changed all game. You have led people have followed, you have tried to be a model town player. Mockra says what I want to, more elegantly.