[Ruse]

yeah I didn't address that. Anthras suggest Kalse death PI's Kilava??? WTF!

Kilava, on 17 May 2013 - 11:07 PM, said:

Anthras, on 17 May 2013 - 10:49 PM, said:

Having read through the thread quickly, it seems that the case on Spite can just as easily be used against most of the low posters in the game, myself included. As for Monok getting some heat, it is possible he's just a coasting scum, but he's playing it cool and to be honest it doesn't come off as scummy. Also, in the 100 game (or was it 99?) where anomandaris alt was playing with a very similar style in order to piss off town to a limited degree, and win over scum, which allowed him/her to make night finds without being targeted. The style allowed the player to help town while appearing scummy. Not saying that Monok is a secret town player trying to look like scum, but rather that this laidback no-content approach was not intended as a scum tactic last game, nor is it particularly useful in this type of game. Scum would probably not use this approach as it is somewhat irritating. The unfortunate side effect of this is that it leaves Monok as a relatively useless town player in terms of content. I feel like he is likely town, but I suppose he could be scum if he really doesn't give a shit. If we need to push a low posting lynch just so we can get a lynch before the day's end, I suppose we can do it. But I figure we have about 8-10 hours left in the day (correct me if I'm wrong), so there's no need to push this quickly.

Now that I have some time on my hands, I'd like to take a closer look at Ruse. Several of his posts have come off as strange, especially those trying to push the idea that Kilava is scum (which I find doubtful at this point, since we semi-tested this with the Kalse lynch). I'll gather some of these posts in a bit after I get some food and read through the thread again.

Roled players tend to play somewhat similar to scum. Since this game is purely RI on the town side, there's not really the possible reasoning of when roles are involved. In that case, it is useful to town for the person to play that way, in a case where the player is RI it really isn't.

The case on Spite isn't just that he's low posting, but that he's also being tremendously middle of the road, though parts of it do apply to other people too.

Still not really sure why you think the Kalse lynch tested my scumminess (though it would've maybe shown me as unlikely scum if he'd CF'd scum, but he didn't). Not sure if any of the accusations against me liinked me and Kalse in a manner that would suggest I'm inno because he CF'd inno, since that would most likely mean people were looking at a me/Kalse partnership, which doesn't really make sense.

[Ruse]

Denul, on 17 May 2013 - 11:25 PM, said:

Here, catching up...

Sorry guys, I'm really struggling to find time for Mafia at the moment, but I will be around for the rest of the day.

Denul let's us know he will be around. I am putting him on the town side as he has been around to vote for us, even though he has been hampered by RL.

[Ruse]

Anthras addressing Kilava

Anthras, on 17 May 2013 - 11:35 PM, said:

You'll recall that I wasn't really convinced that Kalse was a symp for you. It was possible, and at the time just as likely as any of the other symp cases against you. I thought it more likely that you were a good town player, but the Kalse lynch was a way to check a potential symp case, while at the same time dealing with a possible scum hiding among the low posters. As is, I'm pretty sure you're town. You're cases are solid, and you dealt with Ruse in such a logical way that it serves to emphasize Ruse's strange desperation for your lynch earlier in the game.

edit: removed a 'the'

Now he is pointing at Kilava being town. Now if Kilava is town, which only Kilava will know at this point, this must set off alarm bells in his head. I'm sorry Anthras but the above post is scummy to me.

He had also posted a case on me just before this post. Around 3 hours to go, seemingly 3 people around and he wants to change our target??

[Ruse]

So just over 2 hours. Anthras votes for me. It baffles me. Kilava wonders why a lynch never went through. One of the main protagonists of this is Anthras. Again, Denul's post here is more town like and has me on his side.

Path-Shaper, on 17 May 2013 - 07:56 PM, said:

It is now day 3. 6 hours 36 minutes remaining.


9 players still alive: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kilava, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Trake

6 votes to lynch, 5 to go to night.

1 vote Trake: Ruse
1 vote Ryadd Eleis: Kilava
1 vote Spite: Eldat Pressen

Players not voted: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Trake

Anthras, on 17 May 2013 - 11:49 PM, said:

vote Ruse


I'll be around for a while yet if my vote is needed elsewhere, but I feel like Ruse is the best bet scum at this point

edit, clarified

Anthras, on 17 May 2013 - 11:57 PM, said:

You know, it might be that whereas Ruse is playing the leading scum, Eldat may be the lower posting, under the radar scum (based on Kilava's recent post).

Denul, on 18 May 2013 - 12:04 AM, said:

Why are you voting Ruse with less than three hours left of the game?

It's highly likely that your vote will be needed elsewhere...

Anthras, on 18 May 2013 - 12:05 AM, said:

I feel Ruse is scum. And I've said that I'm around to shift my vote. That's why.

Path-Shaper, on 18 May 2013 - 12:12 AM, said:

It is now day 3. 2 hours 20 minutes remaining.


9 players still alive: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kilava, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Trake

6 votes to lynch, 5 to go to night.

3 votes Spite: Eldat Pressen, Ruse, Pallid
2 votes Monok Ochem: Spite, Kilava
1 vote Ruse: Anthras

Players not voted: Denul, Monok Ochem, Trake  

[Ruse]

Spite, on 18 May 2013 - 12:36 AM, said:

Denul, on 18 May 2013 - 12:25 AM, said:

I'm not prepared to vote for Ruse today. Speed lynching never ends well.

I will vote Spite to get a lynch, just reading through a couple of things still and making notes (bleh). If you guys want day to end I can vote now, otherwise I'll still be around.

I've contributed the most, but I'll understand you voting either way. At least read over his and my posts again. If you're town, I'm hoping you see that I've tried to help town the most, although I also don't feel that Monok is one of the killers. I just think between us, I've helped more, and will continue to be the one helping the most.

I get town vibes from Spite but I disagree with him "helping"

[Ruse]

Anthras, on 18 May 2013 - 12:37 AM, said:

I'd vote either way if we need to. Might be best to go for Monok seeing as he doesn't have any substance to his posts, so will leave no evidence for scummy activity. Spite hasn't done anything too suspect, but at least adds something to the game with his posts, which might actually provide some evidence if scum, or insight if town.

remove vote

vote Monok


just in case something comes up. I'll be here for another half an hour.

edit removed vote

Now with little to no time left Anthras votes for Monok. He says Spite hasn't done anything suspect and that he adds to the game. I disagree. Both Spite and Monok are the same in terms of play this game and he should have added to the larger train. you could say he has upped his activity whilst Spite has had heat and that would make Spite stand a litte more circumspect but Anthras really stands out towards the end of day.

[Ruse]

Denul, on 18 May 2013 - 12:53 AM, said:

Right, I'm going to

Vote Spite

To be honest, in the next game day I want to go after Trake. Lynching Thyr based on a joke vote on the 9th post of the game has been bothering me all game, and I haven't really had enough of a chance to look at what Trake's been doing since then. Now that I do, I find the fact that Trake has disappeared after all his declarations that he'd not be letting things get past him this game. It was also pointed out (by Ruse) that Trake rocked up just after he was mentioned. That's on the first page. Then it happens again.

Ruse, on 16 May 2013 - 01:47 PM, said:

Right now you have the thread right where you want them, eating out the palm of your hands. They think keeping you around is for the good of town. I disagree. You are yet to come up with something that I agree with in terms of a case. Fine, people say you are smooth? I disagree, you just seem to be ever present and ready to answer everyone's posts. Who takes as much attention to the thread as you have other than scum? If we cannot lynch you then I'd like to put some pressure on Trake because since day one he hasn't been very dominant or present much. In fact that is where i'll lay a vote at the moment just to get him to participate.

Vote Trake

I think you should actually create something of worth today Kilava because your Kalse case was not very good. Nor was town lynching Thyr. Easy lynches because people are away and can only post once or twice. I step aside from trying to fit in. No more lynching without a good case guys.

Trake, on 16 May 2013 - 04:20 PM, said:

Sorry another crazy day at work. This could continue for a while.

Thread lurking? Kinda looks like it.

edit: line spacing

This could be possible. I think we have to give Trake the benefit of the doubt. Today's lynch is too important and he hasn't been here to point fingers at.

[Ruse]

I have read right up until the end of day scene and if you got to look at the failed lynch then Anthras and Kilava are the main orchestrators.

I'm sorry but it's true. yes Kilava you were around to change your vote which you did but by then it was too late, Anthras not coming back online is indicitive of this.

So if you do want to focus on the failed lynch Kilava then look at Anthras. The other's said they wouldn't be around much

[Ruse]

I haven't done a read through of solely Pallid's, Anthras', Eldat's posts yet. After reading up on Spite and his failed lynch I think Anthras seems suspicious, Monok and Denul look less suspicious.

So More likely town

Denul, Monok, Spite, Trake

unsure ie not read through yet

Pallid, Eldat,

Erring on the Scum side

Anthras, Kilava

[Ruse]

Argh, Eldat was night killed. Stuck in my mind because I was reading up yesterday.

[Ruse]

My number one choice for a lynch and scum today is Kilava. number two is Anthras. I know Kilava will respond to my posts above so for now I will vote Anthras based on his actions at the end of day 3.

Vote Anthras

I want to provoke discussion here. If we don't then we'll lose this fucking game.

[Trake]

Ruse, on 18 May 2013 - 05:17 PM, said:

Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 08:15 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 14 May 2013 - 08:04 PM, said:

Kilava, on 14 May 2013 - 08:00 PM, said:

Sorry dude, but the killers already know each other. They get off thread communications.

M&P mafia usually works as a small group of scum who know each other (symp knows killers, killers almost never know symp), vs a large group of town who don't know anything about peoples alignment.

Also, your method is going to be biased towards people with more/longer posts.

Oh right. So you think that Ruse and Serc are not the killers then? But if killers don't know the symp then Trake could still be the symp, right? So I think then that we should lynch Trake because he would still be scum.

Vote Trake

I'm pretty unsure on Ruse. His initial vote on Trake was kind of weird, as was some of the logic following it.
Serc has been very low key, which is probably the most suspicious thing about him.
Trake could be the symp. He came on and played pretty aggressively, drew attention. Ruse earlier accused him of immediately coming on pointing fingers, which could fit with symp. But since symps show up as inno, there's not that much point voting him for it. Also he has been drawing people into the game and getting reactions, which is usually good for the town. The most suspicious thing about him remains some of his earlier over-reactions. Seems to have quieted down somewhat, which could be because he got some pressure for being obnoxious, or could just be because he doesn't have anything he feels like arguing about atm.

Currently I'm more inclined to go for the people who seem to be trying to keep their heads down. Since day one can have pretty shaky or random lynches, and often the more vocal people are targets just because there is info on them, scum often do keep their heads down, more than on other days even. Of the people you listed, Serc would probably fit that profile closest.

It's why I'm voting Kalse. He's been keeping his head down, and doing it in a manner that seems artificial to me.

Paints Trake as a possible symp here not worth lynching according to him. Points fingers at Serc and kalse.wants to also go after low lying people. This is similar to what Trake said earlier. Trake wanted to get rid of low lying people.

I don't want to paint partners because we haven't got the first killer yet. Each read through yields Kilava as the killer

Just starting to read through and this jumped out at me. Can you be a dear and quote the post that either said or indicated that I wanted to get rid of low lying people. Otherwise that smacks of stawmaning and a attempt at a set up which is scummy.

[Path-Shaper]

Do you know what time it is? IT'S TIMER UNFROZEN TIME! GAME. ON.


It is now day 4. 36 hours remaining


8 players still alive: Anthras, Denul, Kilava, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Trake

5 votes to lynch, 4 to go to night.

2 votes Anthras: Kilava, Ruse
1 vote Spite: Monok Ochem

Players not voted: Anthras, Denul, Pallid, Spite, Trake

[Trake]

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 10:29 AM, said:

Denul, on 17 May 2013 - 11:25 PM, said:

Here, catching up...

Sorry guys, I'm really struggling to find time for Mafia at the moment, but I will be around for the rest of the day.

Denul let's us know he will be around. I am putting him on the town side as he has been around to vote for us, even though he has been hampered by RL.

This is a retarded reason to CI someone. Scum want town lynches as much as town want scum lynches. I would expect scum to have voted on every single train so far. So to CI someone because they have been around to vote is idiot. As bad as Anthras saying that if kalse gets lynched then Kilva is CI.

[Trake]

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 11:00 AM, said:

Anthras, on 18 May 2013 - 12:37 AM, said:

I'd vote either way if we need to. Might be best to go for Monok seeing as he doesn't have any substance to his posts, so will leave no evidence for scummy activity. Spite hasn't done anything too suspect, but at least adds something to the game with his posts, which might actually provide some evidence if scum, or insight if town.

remove vote

vote Monok


just in case something comes up. I'll be here for another half an hour.

edit removed vote

Now with little to no time left Anthras votes for Monok. He says Spite hasn't done anything suspect and that he adds to the game. I disagree. Both Spite and Monok are the same in terms of play this game and he should have added to the larger train. you could say he has upped his activity whilst Spite has had heat and that would make Spite stand a litte more circumspect but Anthras really stands out towards the end of day.

Your missing the obvious clue here. A symp will usually avoid voting for either one of his masters if he can. Anthras basic refusal to vote for either Monok or Spite at that time is suspect.

[Trake]

Ruse, on 17 May 2013 - 10:19 PM, said:

battery will die, I like monok I think. I only voted spite to try get numbers got lynch, anyone want to partake in clearing up Trake?

Here you sound like you are willing to vote for anyone at random.

[Ruse]

I applaud your efforts Trake. Keep going.

I had thought Kilava had voted Spite today so it is a bit daunting to see that I have ended up voting the same way. Maybe we both see something in Anthras. let's see where Trake is going with his "thoughts".

[Monok Ochem]

seems like you're playing alone Ruse, well done

I'm going to try to get back in as the day progresses

[Trake]

The final lynch or end of day trains. There are two things that jump out at me. Everyone who has ended the day with a vote on Kilava is dead, and that Pallid has been on every single train and in the middle of every single train which is a perfect position for scum to be.

Path-Shaper, on 15 May 2013 - 12:13 AM, said:

It is Day 1. 1 hour remaining.

14 players still alive: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kalse, Kilava, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Serc, Spite, Ruse, Ryadd Eleis, Thyrllan, Trake

8 votes to lynch, 7 to go to night.

8 votes Thyrllan: Trake, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Serc, Ryadd Eleis, Monok Ochem, Thyrllan
1 vote Kalse: Kilava
2 votes Kilava: Eldat Pressen, Kalse, Mockra

Players not voted: Anthras, Denul

Thyrllan has been lynched. He was town and Khellendros.

Serc has been killed. He was town and Messremb.

It is now Day 2. 36 hours remaining.

12 players still alive: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kalse, Kilava, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Ryadd Eleis, Trake

7 votes to lynch, 6 to go to night.

Players not voted: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kalse, Kilava, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Ryadd Eleis, Trake

Path-Shaper, on 16 May 2013 - 12:10 PM, said:

It is Day 2.

12 players still alive: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kalse, Kilava, Mockra, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Ryadd Eleis, Trake

7 votes to lynch, 6 to go to night.

7 votes Kalse: Kilava, Eldat Pressen, Anthras, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Denul
2 votes Kilava: Mockra, Ryadd Eleis


Players not voted: Kalse, Monok Ochem, Trake


"Ok, i've got it. If he's the symp than that guy's the killer and therefore that guy's got to be town."

"Don't you mean that if that guy's the killer, then he has to be the symp, and that girl over there is therefore innocent?"

"Oh yeah, maybe. Or possibly those two are both the symp, making that group of chipmunks over there the town, and the killers are figments of our imagination."

"Hmm, it all sounds so equally plausible and well thought out to me. We need another opinion. What do you think, Kalse?"

"I think that your sister was a demon in the sack, second only to your wife. Good, good times."

"YOU MOTHERF...!!!!"


Crash, bang, wallop, splat.


Kalse has been lynched. He was innocent, and Twelve.

Path-Shaper, on 18 May 2013 - 02:35 AM, said:

It is now day 3. 0 minutes remaining.


9 players still alive: Anthras, Denul, Eldat Pressen, Kilava, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Trake

6 votes to lynch, 5 to go to night.

5 votes Spite: Eldat Pressen, Ruse, Pallid, Denul, Kilava
1 vote Monok Ochem: Anthras

Players not voted: Monok Ochem, Spite, Trake

There has been no lynch.

Strictly looking at the finishing trains. Pallid is never the first vote and never the last. He adds just enough to the game to look like he is contributing. He hasn't really been under any kind of heat.

Vote Pallid

[Trake]

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 01:00 PM, said:

I applaud your efforts Trake. Keep going.

I had thought Kilava had voted Spite today so it is a bit daunting to see that I have ended up voting the same way. Maybe we both see something in Anthras. let's see where Trake is going with his "thoughts".

I could see Anthras as a possible symp. Which is difficult accusation to prove and impossible to verify. His actions in refusing to vote for either spite or monok could be sympage or could be a dislike of there cases and a refusal to vote for someone who he thinks is town. I am hesitant to read to much into his actions. I do feel that scum is most likely a middle of the road and a low poster.