[Kilava]

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 11:20 AM, said:

I have read right up until the end of day scene and if you got to look at the failed lynch then Anthras and Kilava are the main orchestrators.

I'm sorry but it's true. yes Kilava you were around to change your vote which you did but by then it was too late, Anthras not coming back online is indicitive of this.

So if you do want to focus on the failed lynch Kilava then look at Anthras. The other's said they wouldn't be around much

Hence the vote pretty much. I agree that Anthras makes the difference.

As for myself, in hindsight, had I voted Spite, it would perhaps have made it more obvious that Anthras' behaviour is very odd. Nonetheless, I had made it very clear that I was around to switch to Spite if we needed a lynch, and that people had to take the timer into account and shouldn't be risking a no lynch.

[Kilava]

Trake, on 20 May 2013 - 12:44 PM, said:

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 10:29 AM, said:

Denul, on 17 May 2013 - 11:25 PM, said:

Here, catching up...

Sorry guys, I'm really struggling to find time for Mafia at the moment, but I will be around for the rest of the day.

Denul let's us know he will be around. I am putting him on the town side as he has been around to vote for us, even though he has been hampered by RL.

This is a retarded reason to CI someone. Scum want town lynches as much as town want scum lynches. I would expect scum to have voted on every single train so far. So to CI someone because they have been around to vote is idiot. As bad as Anthras saying that if kalse gets lynched then Kilva is CI.

Meh, tbh I've been playing most of the game as if Denul is inno, just to give people to benefit of the doubt that someone wouldn't sign up and then play scum by giving RL reasons to excuse having no contribution whatsoever for pretty much the whole game.

[Ruse]

Trake spotting that is very interesting. Imagine a Pallid and Spite partnership. The horror. it does indicate that either scum are trying to make Kilava look like scum by killing off the people who accuse him or Kilava is deciding to do just that and will laugh at us after the game finishes.

Trake/Anthras partnership? Both low key, Trake now painting Anthras as possible symp instead of killer.

I want to hear what Pallid has to say. Also Anthras.

[Kilava]

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 10:33 AM, said:

Anthras addressing Kilava

Anthras, on 17 May 2013 - 11:35 PM, said:

You'll recall that I wasn't really convinced that Kalse was a symp for you. It was possible, and at the time just as likely as any of the other symp cases against you. I thought it more likely that you were a good town player, but the Kalse lynch was a way to check a potential symp case, while at the same time dealing with a possible scum hiding among the low posters. As is, I'm pretty sure you're town. You're cases are solid, and you dealt with Ruse in such a logical way that it serves to emphasize Ruse's strange desperation for your lynch earlier in the game.

edit: removed a 'the'

Now he is pointing at Kilava being town. Now if Kilava is town, which only Kilava will know at this point, this must set off alarm bells in his head. I'm sorry Anthras but the above post is scummy to me.

He had also posted a case on me just before this post. Around 3 hours to go, seemingly 3 people around and he wants to change our target??

Yeah, Anthras has been pretty agreeable towards me for most of the game. He didn't pots much at the start, but did look like engaging with the thread, and being less wishy washy than Spite. As I think I pointed out in my summary post though, he didn't add a huge deal in terms of new cases/thought, but was giving his opinions. Nonetheless, a lot of his opinions are relatively standard, he doesn't do anything controversial etc. He also does lapse into being wishy washy at points, his vote on Kalse for example:

Anthras, on 16 May 2013 - 02:46 AM, said:

I won't be around until tomorrow, so I'll drop a vote.

vote Kalse


I've been thinking on it, and though I may not be entirely convinced, Mockra's case is still intriguing, as is Pressen's reasoning for voting Kalse. We have the least to lose by Pressen's reasoning, and if Kalse turns up scum it adds to Mockra's case against Kilava.

edit: removed word

It's not a bad place for scum to be.

I'm not sure I'd be voting him for this stuff alone. He hasn't posted anything overtly scummy, just kind of middle of the road at times.

However, failed lynches are a good place to start looking for scum. I feel like it's the best solid piece of evidence we have. And to me, it suggests Anthras is scum.

As Trake points out though, it's possible Anthras is a symp trying to avoid getting his master lynched. Which leaves me unsure if voting Spite or Anthras is better. After all, it's also possible Anth is scum and Spite is his partner, or Anth is scum (killer or symp) and Spite is inno and Anth and just wanted the no lynch.

Not sure which I think is most likely. Dunno if Anth would put himself out there just for the no lynch (more likely if he was symp), if Spite isn't scum. If it's Anth as symp or Anth as paired with Spite, that would suggest voting Spite is the better move, statistically. Spite, if scum, seems much less likely to be the symp than Anthras. So it comes down to what I think the chances of Spite being inno are.

Would be happy voting either way really, atm leaning towards switching to spite but have plenty of time to think it over.

[Kilava]

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

it does indicate that either scum are trying to make Kilava look like scum by killing off the people who accuse him or Kilava is deciding to do just that and will laugh at us after the game finishes.

I think I pointed out earlier that the pattern with the kills has been to make someone getting pressure look like scum.

Serc dying points at Kalse.
Mockra dying points at me.
Eldat dying points at Spite (he started the train).

[Kilava]

Also that is pretty interesting about Pallid, who has been pretty middle of the road, ad pretty hard to get much of a read on.

[Trake]

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

Trake spotting that is very interesting. Imagine a Pallid and Spite partnership. The horror. it does indicate that either scum are trying to make Kilava look like scum by killing off the people who accuse him or Kilava is deciding to do just that and will laugh at us after the game finishes.

Trake/Anthras partnership? Both low key, Trake now painting Anthras as possible symp instead of killer.

I want to hear what Pallid has to say. Also Anthras.

When you say now painting you make it seem like I had previously painted him as scum. Which I am pretty sure that I have not done. I have noticed that most of the game you have twisted peoples words just slightly. It is something that I would expect a symp to do.

[Kilava]

Pallid also did leave off voting on his own case. He gave reasons (didn't want to be tunnel visioned, wanted to wait) but it's still non really typical behaviour. Likewise posted a huge number of vote counts then didn't really make much of them.

Hasn't been around much recently.

[Ruse]

Trake, on 20 May 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

Trake spotting that is very interesting. Imagine a Pallid and Spite partnership. The horror. it does indicate that either scum are trying to make Kilava look like scum by killing off the people who accuse him or Kilava is deciding to do just that and will laugh at us after the game finishes.

Trake/Anthras partnership? Both low key, Trake now painting Anthras as possible symp instead of killer.

I want to hear what Pallid has to say. Also Anthras.

When you say now painting you make it seem like I had previously painted him as scum. Which I am pretty sure that I have not done. I have noticed that most of the game you have twisted peoples words just slightly. It is something that I would expect a symp to do.

yeah I am not a symp. I said "now" because I was painting him as a killer and now he is toned down to symp. you feel me?

[Ruse]

Kilava, on 20 May 2013 - 02:24 PM, said:

Pallid also did leave off voting on his own case. He gave reasons (didn't want to be tunnel visioned, wanted to wait) but it's still non really typical behaviour. Likewise posted a huge number of vote counts then didn't really make much of them.

Hasn't been around much recently.

The thing with Pallid, wouldn't that just disappoint you? It would me. Is it just the draw. Scum cannot play like that, win and then feel anything good about it. Both Pallid and Spite made similar comments. Along the lines of, "I play when I can. I am doing my best for town."

It pushes them towards being more townie in my minds eye.

Yet this is a potential D day. Where are they?

[Ruse]

I'm not ruling it out because both you and Trake make very good points.

[Kilava]

Trake, on 20 May 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

Trake spotting that is very interesting. Imagine a Pallid and Spite partnership. The horror. it does indicate that either scum are trying to make Kilava look like scum by killing off the people who accuse him or Kilava is deciding to do just that and will laugh at us after the game finishes.

Trake/Anthras partnership? Both low key, Trake now painting Anthras as possible symp instead of killer.

I want to hear what Pallid has to say. Also Anthras.

When you say now painting you make it seem like I had previously painted him as scum. Which I am pretty sure that I have not done. I have noticed that most of the game you have twisted peoples words just slightly. It is something that I would expect a symp to do.

I've been considering this possibility too, but then, whose symp is he?

Monok maybe fits, possibly Pallid (who, for all they've gone for each other, have never followed it up).

Votes Spite yesterday (making him more likely than MO btw, though he says he wouldn't mind either, along with Pallid's vote making Spite the most likely target).

Votes Anthras early today.

Looking at voting patterns, Ruse tends to be in pretty important positions every time.

He put Thyr 4-2 (when he felt 2 was enough pressure for Kalse a little earlier), and Kalse then voted to make it 5-2, with Thyr as most likely lynch by a wide margin.
He was part of a pretty early jump onto me at the start of day two. This one didn't ultimately take off though, but I got to 3 votes remarkably quickly, enough so that Kalse decided not to vote there.
He put Spite out in front. Ok, not by much, but it was a slow day, and it did put the momentum towards Spite.
Is now early on Anthras, and has put him out in front too.

[Path-Shaper]

It is day 4. 34 hours remaining.


8 players still alive: Anthras, Denul, Kilava, Monok Ochem, Pallid, Spite, Ruse, Trake

5 votes to lynch, 4 to go to night.

2 votes Anthras: Kilava, Ruse
1 vote Spite: Monok Ochem
1 vote Pallid: Trake

Players not voted: Anthras, Denul, Pallid, Spite

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 20 May 2013 - 02:41 PM

[Kilava]

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

Kilava, on 20 May 2013 - 02:24 PM, said:

Pallid also did leave off voting on his own case. He gave reasons (didn't want to be tunnel visioned, wanted to wait) but it's still non really typical behaviour. Likewise posted a huge number of vote counts then didn't really make much of them.

Hasn't been around much recently.

The thing with Pallid, wouldn't that just disappoint you? It would me. Is it just the draw. Scum cannot play like that, win and then feel anything good about it. Both Pallid and Spite made similar comments. Along the lines of, "I play when I can. I am doing my best for town."

It pushes them towards being more townie in my minds eye.

Yet this is a potential D day. Where are they?

Personally I agree with you that a victory is kind of hollow below a certain level of participation. But then, that's my opinion, not everyone shares it, and it wouldn't be the first time scum have coasted along playing very little and won. Town pretty consistently makes it easy to do.

If we're going just by contribution, there really aren't that many people worth lynching...Most of the game probably would've been modkilled if we were on a 24 hour timer instead of 36.

If scum are low posting (and if we currently have 3 scum alive, since I know I'm inno, I don't think I can actually pick three people without including at least one one who has coasted considerably - through at least one day), town have made it very easy for them to do so by giving them vast amounts of camouflage.

It's very frustrating. It always has been, but this game has seemed particularly notable for it.

[Ruse]

Yep, good townie behaviour. Someone has to get you fuckers to lynch. oitherwise we'd just sit here playing with our balls. Seriously. We have had 3 lynches and one failed lynch. Number 3 was almost a failed lynch. Day one was looking bad as well. As you have pointed out I have had to hop off the train I started, away from the person I wanted to vote just to actually get a lynch. The ones I wanted lynched, Kilava, Trake, Pallid, Anthras (albeit today other than any other day) are all still alive and contenders for scum. The ones you wanted lynched or even the ones everyone else wanted lynched are mostly dead and innocent. Maybe I am a rambler, maybe I don't have the best logic or most leading voice but maybe, just maybe I was right at some stage. You all still being alive confuses the thread. Two of you are scum and I am going bald.

[Kilava]

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 02:48 PM, said:

You all still being alive confuses the thread.

I could easily say the same of you, particularly given the irrationality of some of your arguments.

Nonetheless, it would only take a couple of lynches on the vocal people for there to barely be a thread to confuse...

[Ruse]

I am voting Anthras so that he gets his ass online and gives us some content but I think the main person who should be lynched today is Kilava. 100%.

[Trake]

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 02:24 PM, said:

Trake, on 20 May 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

Trake spotting that is very interesting. Imagine a Pallid and Spite partnership. The horror. it does indicate that either scum are trying to make Kilava look like scum by killing off the people who accuse him or Kilava is deciding to do just that and will laugh at us after the game finishes.

Trake/Anthras partnership? Both low key, Trake now painting Anthras as possible symp instead of killer.

I want to hear what Pallid has to say. Also Anthras.

When you say now painting you make it seem like I had previously painted him as scum. Which I am pretty sure that I have not done. I have noticed that most of the game you have twisted peoples words just slightly. It is something that I would expect a symp to do.

yeah I am not a symp. I said "now" because I was painting him as a killer and now he is toned down to symp. you feel me?

Ahh but you didn't indicate that it was you who where painting him as a killer and not me. Reading that post would indicate that you where pointing out that I had referred to Anthras as scum earlier and was now revising my sentiment. Not that you earlier you had him pegged as scum while I was thinking that he might be a symp. Can you see the difference in the sentence structure and how it may convey a different implied meaning then the one that you are NOW saying it should have conveyed.

[Ruse]

Trake, on 20 May 2013 - 03:05 PM, said:

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 02:24 PM, said:

Trake, on 20 May 2013 - 02:20 PM, said:

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

Trake spotting that is very interesting. Imagine a Pallid and Spite partnership. The horror. it does indicate that either scum are trying to make Kilava look like scum by killing off the people who accuse him or Kilava is deciding to do just that and will laugh at us after the game finishes.

Trake/Anthras partnership? Both low key, Trake now painting Anthras as possible symp instead of killer.

I want to hear what Pallid has to say. Also Anthras.

When you say now painting you make it seem like I had previously painted him as scum. Which I am pretty sure that I have not done. I have noticed that most of the game you have twisted peoples words just slightly. It is something that I would expect a symp to do.

yeah I am not a symp. I said "now" because I was painting him as a killer and now he is toned down to symp. you feel me?

Ahh but you didn't indicate that it was you who where painting him as a killer and not me. Reading that post would indicate that you where pointing out that I had referred to Anthras as scum earlier and was now revising my sentiment. Not that you earlier you had him pegged as scum while I was thinking that he might be a symp. Can you see the difference in the sentence structure and how it may convey a different implied meaning then the one that you are NOW saying it should have conveyed.

I do, but when asked it was easily answered.

Do you think Kilava is town? He has not been lynched, there was a swing away from him, and it would vindicate his low posting partner somewhat.

[Kilava]

Ruse, on 20 May 2013 - 02:58 PM, said:

I am voting Anthras so that he gets his ass online and gives us some content but I think the main person who should be lynched today is Kilava. 100%.

This is the second time in a row you've said that you think we should definitely be voting me, that I'm definite scum etc, and then voted elsewhere.