[Fener]

Eloth was called an 'agent', not an assassin. Mockra is labeled 'assassin.' Perhaps Eloth was an independent, or part of one of the three factions.

[Path-Shaper]

Night 2 is over.

No one died.

It is Day 3, Timer is Frozen.

14 players are left alive.


D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Sorrit, Spite, Tellan

[Sorrit]

Are there going to be any NKs in this game?

[Sorrit]

 Fener, on 22 September 2012 - 04:48 AM, said:

Eloth was called an 'agent', not an assassin. Mockra is labeled 'assassin.' Perhaps Eloth was an independent, or part of one of the three factions.

this looks like its pretty much on the ball. Either the shogun had a recruiter thrown in as a fourth hidden faction, or he was part of a faction

[Korbas]

So i'm thinking assassins might take an extra vote? And i can't decide between the options orrit listed. Was eloth a hidden faction, or a member of one of the factions.

I actually get the feeling he was a hidden faction more. I don't think Shin would put a member in of a faction that doesn't cf as the faction he's in. That would be unfair to the other factions (unless they have something similar).

Also, in the scene, didnt it say something about eloth not fulfilling what his master had sent him to do? Feels like a hidden faction/independent.

[Tellan]

Sorry for my absence everyone, between my internet at wok imploding and a super busy weekend I haven't been able to get on nearly as much as I should have.

I think we got some great info from the Mockra lynch. I had thought that Eloth could have been an assasin, from the description of him as an agent, but that theory has been blown out of the water. It would also suggest that assasins might take an extra vote to lynch, either that or there was someone on the train who's vote didn't count.

For now I'm going to take advantage of the weekend break to spend some time outside. I'll be back later to share further thoughts.

[Fener]

Eloth only needed the normal required votes, but Mockra needed one extra. I think it's safe to say that assassins will need one extra vote. This could be tricky end game.

If we assume Mockra was an independent, how many independents could we have. If we had 3 each faction, and 3 assassins, then we could have 3 independents. Each one could have a vc linked to the three factions, but I think 3 per faction seems weak. We have to consider each faction having an 'agent'.

Anyone around this weekend?

[Fener]

Cross post with Tellan.

[Sorrit]

 Fener, on 23 September 2012 - 04:08 AM, said:

Eloth only needed the normal required votes, but Mockra needed one extra. I think it's safe to say that assassins will need one extra vote. This could be tricky end game.

If we assume Mockra was an independent, how many independents could we have. If we had 3 each faction, and 3 assassins, then we could have 3 independents. Each one could have a vc linked to the three factions, but I think 3 per faction seems weak. We have to consider each faction having an 'agent'.

Anyone around this weekend?

it wont be tricky end game unless you are an assassin

[Tellan]

So I'm finding Galain's play rather odd. He has spent pretty much the whole game throwing around accusations that people are assasins, while at the same time saying that the people who want to get rid of assasins are the other assasins.

 Galain, on 21 September 2012 - 01:44 PM, said:

 Tellan, on 21 September 2012 - 01:13 PM, said:

If I'm reading it right, Mockra wants to lynch Karosis because he's smart. Which is a dumb way to play any Mafia game, but particularly a faction game where no one knows their whole team. So either Mockra knows something about Karosis, or Mockra is an independent. Neither of these gives me a lot of confidence in his push for the lynch.

Maybe, but it's true that Karosis basically put the nails on Eloth's coffin. Where you guys are getting this 'smart' player thing from, I don't know, Karosis basically just regurgitated a bunch of stuff that Korv had already said (albeit more eloquently), but that regurgitation certainly seemed to garner the necessary votes to lynch Eloth. I think Karosis saw an opportunity to get rid of an assassin and jumped on it, and I think that an assassin is more likely to do this, though on Day 1 I think anyone would have been willing to get rid of an assassin.

Here, Karosis could be an assasin, because he pushed for the lynch of an assasin.

 Galain, on 21 September 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

 Spite, on 21 September 2012 - 02:30 PM, said:

 Galain, on 21 September 2012 - 02:18 PM, said:

 Korbas, on 21 September 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

I was getting pretty damn annoyed at Mockra and now Meanas trying to downplay themselves so as to not appear a threat.

I think this is pretty rich coming from you. It seems that everone forgot that you were the first one to cry assassin about Eloth. It seems to me that you've been downplaying yourself and trying to throw suspicion out there in order to keep the spotlight away from you. I would still be interested in seeing whether you CF assassin or not.

At this point, I would be willing to vote Karosis or Korbas.

This looks an awful lot like you are trying to pull attention away from Mockra.

So what, because I agreed with Mockra about something, and because I brought up something I spent a good part of yesterday mentioning, I MUST be defending Mockra? That's just silly. Is it my fault the guy makes sense? I think that you're just trying to pull attention away from Korbas in the same way that you are accusing me of pulling attention away from Mockra.

vote Korbas

And here Korbas must be an assasin because he was the first to suggest that Eloth could be an assasin.

Then he replies to Spite's accusation by throwing around accusations of his own. This is blatant OMGUS, and I'm surprised he got away with it. Spite's accusation seemed more tied to the fact that Galain made a very obvious attack on Korbas, rather than anything to do with Galain defending Mockra or agreeing with Mockra's arguments.

So I'm not really sure what is up with Galain. He seems to be focussing on assasins, while arguing that the people focussing on assasins are probably assasins themselves. He looked like he was attempting to distract from Mockra's train, and admitted to agreeing with Mockra, and Mockra was an assasin. He repsonds badly to pressure put on him, flinging OMGUS accusations back.

I'd say he probably has a high-powered role, judging from his reaction to the pressure. He's using the accusation of assasin as a convenient excuse to attack the people he finds suspect, because it is something that all the factions can get behind, but he doesn't seem to realise that he is contradicting himself.

[Tellan]

 Korbas, on 22 September 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

So i'm thinking assassins might take an extra vote? And i can't decide between the options orrit listed. Was eloth a hidden faction, or a member of one of the factions.

I actually get the feeling he was a hidden faction more. I don't think Shin would put a member in of a faction that doesn't cf as the faction he's in. That would be unfair to the other factions (unless they have something similar).

Also, in the scene, didnt it say something about eloth not fulfilling what his master had sent him to do? Feels like a hidden faction/independent.

I'm inclined to agree with this. There is no reason why Eloth would CF as Ashikaga if he was in the Hosokawa faction. Plus, his comment about revealing the identity of one person if he wasn't lynched is pretty telling. If he was in a faction, that isn't something he would reveal, because the only identity he would know would be someone else in his faction, and he wouldn't want to reveal them, in that situation.

[Spite]

Sorry, I've been pretty busy all weekend... and now football is on! Let me read up on what I've missed.

[Spite]

I guess I haven't missed much! Looks like the thread has been pretty dead over the weekend.

I've been wondering who Eloth was going to sell out, since it wouldn't make sense to sell out a team member. I'm thinking he might have been bullshitting, unless he was a finder and was meaning that he'd reveal someone AFTER night.

[Fener]

 Sorrit, on 23 September 2012 - 10:16 AM, said:

 Fener, on 23 September 2012 - 04:08 AM, said:

Eloth only needed the normal required votes, but Mockra needed one extra. I think it's safe to say that assassins will need one extra vote. This could be tricky end game.

If we assume Mockra was an independent, how many independents could we have. If we had 3 each faction, and 3 assassins, then we could have 3 independents. Each one could have a vc linked to the three factions, but I think 3 per faction seems weak. We have to consider each faction having an 'agent'.

Anyone around this weekend?

it wont be tricky end game unless you are an assassin

It looks like it's the assassins that need extra votes, plus they can kill I'm assuming, so they wouldnt have to worry as much about lynch votes. How do you figure the assassins are the ones it will be tricky for. I was just remembering the end of the Dresden game, where people needed extra votes, and once you get low on people, it's quite significant.

[Tellan]

 Fener, on 23 September 2012 - 11:56 PM, said:

 Sorrit, on 23 September 2012 - 10:16 AM, said:

 Fener, on 23 September 2012 - 04:08 AM, said:

Eloth only needed the normal required votes, but Mockra needed one extra. I think it's safe to say that assassins will need one extra vote. This could be tricky end game.

If we assume Mockra was an independent, how many independents could we have. If we had 3 each faction, and 3 assassins, then we could have 3 independents. Each one could have a vc linked to the three factions, but I think 3 per faction seems weak. We have to consider each faction having an 'agent'.

Anyone around this weekend?

it wont be tricky end game unless you are an assassin

It looks like it's the assassins that need extra votes, plus they can kill I'm assuming, so they wouldnt have to worry as much about lynch votes. How do you figure the assassins are the ones it will be tricky for. I was just remembering the end of the Dresden game, where people needed extra votes, and once you get low on people, it's quite significant.

Because unless you're an assasin, lynching assasins is not getting your team any closer to their victory conditions. The assasins have so far not killed anyone, so it makes me wonder if they are rather more underpowered than traditional assasins, plus we've already lynched one of them. I'm not saying we should just ignore the assasins, but I think we are better off looking into factions at this stage.

[Fener]

 Tellan, on 24 September 2012 - 12:42 AM, said:

 Fener, on 23 September 2012 - 11:56 PM, said:

 Sorrit, on 23 September 2012 - 10:16 AM, said:

 Fener, on 23 September 2012 - 04:08 AM, said:

Eloth only needed the normal required votes, but Mockra needed one extra. I think it's safe to say that assassins will need one extra vote. This could be tricky end game.

If we assume Mockra was an independent, how many independents could we have. If we had 3 each faction, and 3 assassins, then we could have 3 independents. Each one could have a vc linked to the three factions, but I think 3 per faction seems weak. We have to consider each faction having an 'agent'.

Anyone around this weekend?

it wont be tricky end game unless you are an assassin

It looks like it's the assassins that need extra votes, plus they can kill I'm assuming, so they wouldnt have to worry as much about lynch votes. How do you figure the assassins are the ones it will be tricky for. I was just remembering the end of the Dresden game, where people needed extra votes, and once you get low on people, it's quite significant.

Because unless you're an assasin, lynching assasins is not getting your team any closer to their victory conditions. The assasins have so far not killed anyone, so it makes me wonder if they are rather more underpowered than traditional assasins, plus we've already lynched one of them. I'm not saying we should just ignore the assasins, but I think we are better off looking into factions at this stage.

Yeah, I guess this makes sense. I was imagining an end game scenario where we were down to say 5 or less people, and we had 1 or 2 assassins left. I guess at this point we could just not worry about them, because if it was only one, it wouldn't matter, and if it's 2 they can worry about each other. If there's more than 2, we suck, and deserve our fate.

[Fener]

Im around for awhile. Anyone know when the game will restart, since Shin is Japan time.

[Fener]

 Tellan, on 23 September 2012 - 03:10 PM, said:

So I'm finding Galain's play rather odd. He has spent pretty much the whole game throwing around accusations that people are assasins, while at the same time saying that the people who want to get rid of assasins are the other assasins.

 Galain, on 21 September 2012 - 01:44 PM, said:

 Tellan, on 21 September 2012 - 01:13 PM, said:

If I'm reading it right, Mockra wants to lynch Karosis because he's smart. Which is a dumb way to play any Mafia game, but particularly a faction game where no one knows their whole team. So either Mockra knows something about Karosis, or Mockra is an independent. Neither of these gives me a lot of confidence in his push for the lynch.

Maybe, but it's true that Karosis basically put the nails on Eloth's coffin. Where you guys are getting this 'smart' player thing from, I don't know, Karosis basically just regurgitated a bunch of stuff that Korv had already said (albeit more eloquently), but that regurgitation certainly seemed to garner the necessary votes to lynch Eloth. I think Karosis saw an opportunity to get rid of an assassin and jumped on it, and I think that an assassin is more likely to do this, though on Day 1 I think anyone would have been willing to get rid of an assassin.

Here, Karosis could be an assasin, because he pushed for the lynch of an assasin.

 Galain, on 21 September 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

 Spite, on 21 September 2012 - 02:30 PM, said:

 Galain, on 21 September 2012 - 02:18 PM, said:

 Korbas, on 21 September 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

I was getting pretty damn annoyed at Mockra and now Meanas trying to downplay themselves so as to not appear a threat.

I think this is pretty rich coming from you. It seems that everone forgot that you were the first one to cry assassin about Eloth. It seems to me that you've been downplaying yourself and trying to throw suspicion out there in order to keep the spotlight away from you. I would still be interested in seeing whether you CF assassin or not.

At this point, I would be willing to vote Karosis or Korbas.

This looks an awful lot like you are trying to pull attention away from Mockra.

So what, because I agreed with Mockra about something, and because I brought up something I spent a good part of yesterday mentioning, I MUST be defending Mockra? That's just silly. Is it my fault the guy makes sense? I think that you're just trying to pull attention away from Korbas in the same way that you are accusing me of pulling attention away from Mockra.

vote Korbas

And here Korbas must be an assasin because he was the first to suggest that Eloth could be an assasin.

Then he replies to Spite's accusation by throwing around accusations of his own. This is blatant OMGUS, and I'm surprised he got away with it. Spite's accusation seemed more tied to the fact that Galain made a very obvious attack on Korbas, rather than anything to do with Galain defending Mockra or agreeing with Mockra's arguments.

So I'm not really sure what is up with Galain. He seems to be focussing on assasins, while arguing that the people focussing on assasins are probably assasins themselves. He looked like he was attempting to distract from Mockra's train, and admitted to agreeing with Mockra, and Mockra was an assasin. He repsonds badly to pressure put on him, flinging OMGUS accusations back.

I'd say he probably has a high-powered role, judging from his reaction to the pressure. He's using the accusation of assasin as a convenient excuse to attack the people he finds suspect, because it is something that all the factions can get behind, but he doesn't seem to realise that he is contradicting himself.

So out of Korbas, Galain, and Karosis, who would you be most willing to vote for, if any.

[Fener]

5 anons and no one is posting. I guess everyone is waiting for day to start.

[Galain]

 Korvalain, on 22 September 2012 - 03:20 AM, said:

So like Fener said someone's vote doesn't count or Mockra is actually someone important enough that he requires another vote. Maybe Galain was really (poorly) trying to symp someone important who requires an extra vote. Hoping someone else adds a vote just so we see what happens, but regardless of that, all kinds of questions now.

I feel like Galain hasn't been around for a while, is he maybe refraining from voting intentionally? Like hasn't it been pretty obvious for a while now that Mockra was the lynch choice?

Sorry, got pulled away from the game unexpectedly. I would have put my vote on Mockra if I had been around. Mockra ended up being an assassin, I feel kind of silly considering how much I listened to him.