[Tennes]

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 01:55 PM, said:

Liosan, on 31 July 2012 - 01:49 PM, said:

It seems like basic Mafia to me that Kalse is the obvious next lynch. She revealed as finder, and said SL was scum, but when we lynched Shelly, she came up town. It seems like a no-brainer to me, we lynch Kalse for fake revealing.

vote Kalse

I don't understand why everyone is so confused and distraught by this. Everyone's trying to make this a shit ton more complicated than it is. This is a M&P people, it's probably 2 killers and a symp, with the POSSIBILITY of a finder. I think it's likely there is NO finder. If Kalse isn't scum, then she's the symp, and though it's not exactly proper Mafia to lynch the symp, it at least gives town an extra day before D-Day.

I love you, my blonde bombshell. I've been surrounded by nincompoops. Make sweet mafia love to my text. Mmmmmm. Although Telas is talking since, I'm pissed at Tennes for betraying me, and atrahal for being very mean to me.

Glad a voice of reason doth shine. I wanted to lynch Kalse when he opened his mouth. But! I will say, the fact that SL didn't vote for what, if he was innocent, was a lying finder still boggles me noggin'.

Maybe there is a real finder. Guess what. You fuckers gonna fall for it again? What happens when another scum claims finder. I'm so angry.

Kalse claims SL is scum. If SL KNOWS he's not, why didn't he vote for Kalse? I can't puzzle it.

When did I betray you? I understood you but I didn't agree with you. Doesn't mean I betrayed you

[Atrahal]

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 01:50 PM, said:

Clearly Kalse blew his load for one of 4 reasons. Neither Rashan or Tellan was cooked, yet. But it was obvious that one of them was going to die. So would Kalse feel THEN was the time? If it was one or the other, he should have waited. I think it was both Rashan, and Tellan. Unless he's psycho.

Or a genius to know he could manipulate you ding-bats. I say its Rashan and Tellan.

If not, Tennes and Atrahal.

Generally reveals come to late to save the person they are designed to, nor to swing the lynch. However, based on the shoddiness of the reveal, I would say Kalse may have panicked and made an unnecessary reveal.

In terms of my own opinion, lynching a symp will only delay the inevitable and give the killers another day to kill another townie. If this makes me scum then you deserve to lose.

[Sorrit]

For atrahal, LOOKING for a symp is different than finding the fucker. Once found, killing his ass gives you an extra day to look for scum. I'll set it up nice and simple.

Down to 3 scum, 4 town. Go for a scum, and miss, its 3 scum, 2 town, and scum gives you the royal treatment.

Now if you ALREADY know the symp, lynch him, its then 2 scum, 3 town. Another day is MAGICALLY granted. Hard to follow, I know. But tis true. You were obviously thinking of early game, not being sure of symp. You wouldn't need the extra day, yet. Here, yes, go for killers, not symp. At our point, if you know the symp, grill his ass.

Hell, Kalse could cf finder for all we know. Wouldn't that be grand. It's SLIGHTLY POSSIBLE. He COULD of been told he found a killer, and the symp MAY have CFed scum from Mott. Would be odd. If this DID happen, it would explain why he didn't think the game was over. Which was odd. Could explain why SL didn't vote him.

[Tennes]

Atrahal, on 31 July 2012 - 01:58 PM, said:

I find very little believable about Kalse's reveal. Why was he not building a case on whoever he had found, even if he did decide to wait to reveal until he had both scum? What is the likelihood of finding two scum in two days? I also find it difficult to believe that Mott would tell him the symp was scum, and his response to that question seemed like scrambling.

If we assume that Kalse was a symp, then he must have been deflecting from someone, and his fake-reveal is obvious enough that it shouldn't be too difficult to figure out who it was. I had a look at what went on in between the times that Kalse posted about being at work and the reveal. Eloth, Sorrit, Liosan, Rashan and Tennes were the main ones active at that time.

Eloth: Suspicious of Rashan for low-posting.
Sorrit: Bounces around like an insane ping-pong ball. Begins with suspicions of Telas and one of the ducks. Suggests Tennes as a possible symp. Looks at Eloth and Sheltatha Lore. Votes Rashan, then Tennes, then back to Rashan. Lists his main suspects as Tennes, SL and Telas.
Liosan: a couple of posts with suspicions about me, and a vote.
Rashan: votes Tellan, and is suspicious of Liosan
Tennes: Considers Tellan, Rashan and Kaschan. Later lists his biggest suspects as Tellan, Kaschan and Kalse, but is also watching Rashan. Votes Rashan, and then switches to Tellan

It looks to me like the player getting the most heat at the time was Rashan. The case was basically that Rashan was a low poster, and little Rashan could say would convince either Sorrit or Tennes.

Rashan got called out day one by Lio, moments later he starts to post content. He then goes quiet for a long time. Sorrit votes for him and he then pops up and starts to post again. Rashan did get a little heat but then I was pushing for the Tellan lynch. Once I mentioned that the three of us could start a train on Tellan, Kalse reveals.

One or both of these two are killers.

[Telas]

Telas, on 31 July 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

Tennes, on 31 July 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

Telas, on 31 July 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

1.) Why does Kaschan "HAVE" to CF as scum? Wtf people, unless the game's mechanics violate all mafia mechanics (finder gets scum ping from the symp), then Kalse had to have been lying, i.e. scum. He probably won't get NKed anyway even if he was inno since no one trusts him, and confusion == good for scum.

2.) Kalse was around at the beginning of day 3 and didn't reveal. He claimed work, disappeared, then showed up as a last-minute we-need-a-lynch train was building on Tellan. He had 3 votes when kalse made his reveal.

To me it goes whether or not you believe the reveal doesn't it?

I kind of do.

So if I believe Kalse and SL was the symp then Kaschan = killer. Killer will cf as scum. If any other cf then either Kalse is definitely scum or he is an insane finder/paranoid finder? That right?

If we discount what Kalse has said and back pedal then Tellan is a great shout for scum either way.

Tennes, on 31 July 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

Tennes, on 31 July 2012 - 09:54 AM, said:

The first train

8 Votes for Emurlahn ( Sorrit, Tellan, Kalse, Osseric, Kaschan, Rashan, Liosan, Sheltatha Lore )

it's the first few votes that makes it happen. You might have picked Emur first but Tellan then Kalse follow. One killer, one symp, then the last killer votes later on (Rashan, Lio or Shelly)

More and more i am not thinking it is Lio.

That second lynch is down to the swing. Shelly removes and Tellan removes and adds to Ozzy.

killer pair, shelly and tellan?

kalse as symp

I thought of Kalse as the symp minutes before he revealed as finder. Why am i believing him?

Tellan has been the constant most of the game but I could be so far wrong.

So, which one is it?

I'll repeat this for you, Tennes, since you appear to have ignored it.

[Atrahal]

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 02:05 PM, said:

For atrahal, LOOKING for a symp is different than finding the fucker. Once found, killing his ass gives you an extra day to look for scum. I'll set it up nice and simple.

Down to 3 scum, 4 town. Go for a scum, and miss, its 3 scum, 2 town, and scum gives you the royal treatment.

Now if you ALREADY know the symp, lynch him, its then 2 scum, 3 town. Another day is MAGICALLY granted. Hard to follow, I know. But tis true. You were obviously thinking of early game, not being sure of symp. You wouldn't need the extra day, yet. Here, yes, go for killers, not symp. At our point, if you know the symp, grill his ass.

Hell, Kalse could cf finder for all we know. Wouldn't that be grand. It's SLIGHTLY POSSIBLE. He COULD of been told he found a killer, and the symp MAY have CFed scum from Mott. Would be odd. If this DID happen, it would explain why he didn't think the game was over. Which was odd. Could explain why SL didn't vote him.

Another day MAGICALLY granted means another day for scum to kill. Not sure what you don't understand about this.

And your WIFOM about SL is not going to help until he returns to explain his actions.

It is currently 2am, and I need sleep. Will return when I awake.

[Sorrit]

Atrahal, on 31 July 2012 - 02:05 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 01:50 PM, said:

Clearly Kalse blew his load for one of 4 reasons. Neither Rashan or Tellan was cooked, yet. But it was obvious that one of them was going to die. So would Kalse feel THEN was the time? If it was one or the other, he should have waited. I think it was both Rashan, and Tellan. Unless he's psycho.

Or a genius to know he could manipulate you ding-bats. I say its Rashan and Tellan.

If not, Tennes and Atrahal.

Generally reveals come to late to save the person they are designed to, nor to swing the lynch. However, based on the shoddiness of the reveal, I would say Kalse may have panicked and made an unnecessary reveal.

In terms of my own opinion, lynching a symp will only delay the inevitable and give the killers another day to kill another townie. If this makes me scum then you deserve to lose.

Gosh darn it Atrahal, leave me alone ! I know who I THINK your alt is and I love you, and highly respect your opinions, and yes you know far more mafia than I. But I'm fucking trying, here. Cut me some slack. The symp math does add up, though. Argue it with Telas for a bit, instead of me please, hun. My brain is hurting. You guys gave me a headache.

[Tennes]

@Telas

Tennes, on 31 July 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

His reveal has messed up my game to be honest. I'm going to think of him as the symp. Trying so hard to save Tellan.

you miss this or something?

[Tellan]

I actually agree with Sorrit. We will have to kill Kalse at some point, to guarantee us a day. It's a tradeoff, Atrahal, and you're ignoring that. I understand that it can be frustrating to talk to Sorrit sometimes, but you have to see the benifit in lynching a confirmed symp at the end of the game to guarantee us a day we would not otherwise have and lowering the pool of players to pick scum out of.

That said, if Kalse truly was protecting Rashan, I'm willing to lynch there. I think he's supsicious, but I'm not completely confident in him coming up scum. So we must weigh if we should risk our single day or mis-lynch now or later.

[Telas]

Tennes, on 31 July 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

To me it goes whether or not you believe the reveal doesn't it?

I kind of do.

Except you contradicted yourself just before.

[Tennes]

Telas, on 31 July 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

Tennes, on 31 July 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

To me it goes whether or not you believe the reveal doesn't it?

I kind of do.

Except you contradicted yourself just before.

Rephrase that to kind of did. Then after this post I said I actually didn't. I trusted him up to the point of the lynch and once we got the cf that was it for me.

[Telas]

Tennes, on 31 July 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

Telas, on 31 July 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

Tennes, on 31 July 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

To me it goes whether or not you believe the reveal doesn't it?

I kind of do.

Except you contradicted yourself just before.

Rephrase that to kind of did. Then after this post I said I actually didn't. I trusted him up to the point of the lynch and once we got the cf that was it for me.

The quote in question, as well as the preceeding conversation, was over an hour after the lynch.

[Sorrit]

Telas, on 31 July 2012 - 02:23 PM, said:

Tennes, on 31 July 2012 - 02:21 PM, said:

Telas, on 31 July 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

Tennes, on 31 July 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

To me it goes whether or not you believe the reveal doesn't it?

I kind of do.

Except you contradicted yourself just before.

Rephrase that to kind of did. Then after this post I said I actually didn't. I trusted him up to the point of the lynch and once we got the cf that was it for me.

The quote in question, as well as the preceeding conversation, was over an hour after the lynch.

Could be Tennes in the library with a candlestick, after all.
Tennes and Rashan. Nothing should of really pulled you from our Rashan track. You just up and switched to Tellan. I felt you were worried to lynch Rashan right then.

Then you betrayed me. Stuck me in the back. I <3ed you, Tennes. You was to be the robin to my Batman, the siskel to my ebert, the baskins to my robbins. Now you're just another scum suspect, drinking 40s of ol' English in the gutter, pouring a little bit out for your dead homies, and what-not.

Bet you bucks we're waiting on Rashan.

[Eloth]

I'm not gonna be here for a couple of hours.
but later I'm gonna give my opinions about things.

[Sorrit]

Someone entertain me. I'm deliriously tired. I should be asleep, but mafia has my soul, atm. I want to see who Rashan kills. Bet his partner don't like the current NA Rashan has in. He's waiting for him to return.

God help it. I'm giving it half hour, then falling over.

[Tennes]

Well attitudes and thoughts change. I was believing Kalse but then back pedalled and have said as much. Those two posts are fairly close to each other. It's kind of confusing on thread or has been since the reveal. We are still waiting on night to resolve are we not.

[Sorrit]

Eloth, on 31 July 2012 - 02:32 PM, said:

I'm not gonna be here for a couple of hours.
but later I'm gonna give my opinions about things.

I bet I know what you're gonna say!

[Tellan]

I'm gonna go make an early lunch since I somehow skipped breakfast.

[Sorrit]

You guys know how it's hard being friends with me, because I'm so awesome? Well, you guys are mean, sometimes. Dayum. Cut a cracker some slack. I love all you mean bastards. Seriously. You a-holes grew on me.

[Telas]

Rashan was around about an hour before lynch, idk. That's very meta too.