[Tennes]

Telas, on 31 July 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

1.) Why does Kaschan "HAVE" to CF as scum? Wtf people, unless the game's mechanics violate all mafia mechanics (finder gets scum ping from the symp), then Kalse had to have been lying, i.e. scum. He probably won't get NKed anyway even if he was inno since no one trusts him, and confusion == good for scum.

2.) Kalse was around at the beginning of day 3 and didn't reveal. He claimed work, disappeared, then showed up as a last-minute we-need-a-lynch train was building on Tellan. He had 3 votes when kalse made his reveal.

To me it goes whether or not you believe the reveal doesn't it?

I kind of do.

So if I believe Kalse and SL was the symp then Kaschan = killer. Killer will cf as scum. If any other cf then either Kalse is definitely scum or he is an insane finder/paranoid finder? That right?

If we discount what Kalse has said and back pedal then Tellan is a great shout for scum either way.

[Kaschan]

Eloth, on 31 July 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 11:29 AM, said:

Tellan, on 31 July 2012 - 11:24 AM, said:

AH, okay. So Shelly is L-1. Atrahal is here. I feel okay.




If Shelly comes up Inno, we lynch Kalse. Simple as that. There's no scum find of a symp. Either Mott told Kalse wrong, or kalse is lying. If it was a PSer screwup, then she needs to post it on thread, or we should lynch kalse.

If Kalse is lying, he sacced his symp ass to save the two killers. You suggesting SL possibly CFing Inno is proof you're who he's protecting. We lynch SL, bam one day closer to d day if Inno. If we lynch Kalse, then, two killers still kill that night. Boom. Close to d day. We lynch ONE killer, another NK . Boom. Game over.

Do what you want .

I think if Kalse was not finder , the real finder would have revealed by now.

disagree, he would keep his head down

[Tennes]

Kalse, on 31 July 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

Well done to tellen for switching us from kaschan to sl, its cost town the game...

that was me too, i fucking followed him.

[Telas]

Well...

This was supposed to be low-tmdi. Insane/paranoid finder wouldn't fit.

I suppose there's the possibility that Mott made a mistake and gave Kalse a scum find on the symp. But Mott can't confirm/deny that on thread without ruining the game, so I'm going to assume that he responded consistently with how the game has been run in the past. I think it's more likely that Kalse was lying to use in an attempt to deflect from Tellan/Rashan.

As for the 3 votes thing, it was this:

Tennes, on 31 July 2012 - 09:39 AM, said:

Remove Vote

Vote Tellan

With just our votes Sorrit it brings Tellan to 3.

That I didn't read quite clearly. If Sorrit had voted Tellan it would have been 3.

[Tellan]

Sorrit, on 31 July 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:

In case I die, kill Kalse, then Rashan. If Rashan is Inno, kill tellan. If Rashan is scum, kill tellan.

When Kalse did his obvious fake finder routine, I was voting Rashan. Tennes Was voting Rashan, but swapped to tellan.

So I die no matter what? You suck

They're not going to kill you. You're contributing, but also mucking up the thread.

Kalse, on 31 July 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

Well done to tellen for switching us from kaschan to sl, its cost town the game...

Assuming you are the symp, you're not doing a good job. You blew your load early, and now you're trying to implicate me as a symp, which could take away from other people thinking I'm scum, when in fact I'm one of the easiest to implicate as being deflected from. Conflicting there, aye.

[Tennes]

Tennes, on 31 July 2012 - 09:54 AM, said:

The first train

8 Votes for Emurlahn ( Sorrit, Tellan, Kalse, Osseric, Kaschan, Rashan, Liosan, Sheltatha Lore )

it's the first few votes that makes it happen. You might have picked Emur first but Tellan then Kalse follow. One killer, one symp, then the last killer votes later on (Rashan, Lio or Shelly)

More and more i am not thinking it is Lio.

That second lynch is down to the swing. Shelly removes and Tellan removes and adds to Ozzy.

killer pair, shelly and tellan?

kalse as symp

I thought of Kalse as the symp minutes before he revealed as finder. Why am i believing him?

Tellan has been the constant most of the game but I could be so far wrong.

[Tellan]

Telas, on 31 July 2012 - 01:25 PM, said:

Well...

This was supposed to be low-tmdi. Insane/paranoid finder wouldn't fit.

I suppose there's the possibility that Mott made a mistake and gave Kalse a scum find on the symp. But Mott can't confirm/deny that on thread without ruining the game, so I'm going to assume that he responded consistently with how the game has been run in the past. I think it's more likely that Kalse was lying to use in an attempt to deflect from Tellan/Rashan.

As for the 3 votes thing, it was this:

Tennes, on 31 July 2012 - 09:39 AM, said:

Remove Vote

Vote Tellan

With just our votes Sorrit it brings Tellan to 3.

That I didn't read quite clearly. If Sorrit had voted Tellan it would have been 3.

If Mott messed up she should tell us because it would ruin the game if she didn't. But I doubt that's the case.

[Telas]

I'd say it would ruin the game if mott told us, since it would confirm kalse's finder reveal.

[Telas]

Tennes, on 31 July 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

Telas, on 31 July 2012 - 01:11 PM, said:

1.) Why does Kaschan "HAVE" to CF as scum? Wtf people, unless the game's mechanics violate all mafia mechanics (finder gets scum ping from the symp), then Kalse had to have been lying, i.e. scum. He probably won't get NKed anyway even if he was inno since no one trusts him, and confusion == good for scum.

2.) Kalse was around at the beginning of day 3 and didn't reveal. He claimed work, disappeared, then showed up as a last-minute we-need-a-lynch train was building on Tellan. He had 3 votes when kalse made his reveal.

To me it goes whether or not you believe the reveal doesn't it?

I kind of do.

So if I believe Kalse and SL was the symp then Kaschan = killer. Killer will cf as scum. If any other cf then either Kalse is definitely scum or he is an insane finder/paranoid finder? That right?

If we discount what Kalse has said and back pedal then Tellan is a great shout for scum either way.

Tennes, on 31 July 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

Tennes, on 31 July 2012 - 09:54 AM, said:

The first train

8 Votes for Emurlahn ( Sorrit, Tellan, Kalse, Osseric, Kaschan, Rashan, Liosan, Sheltatha Lore )

it's the first few votes that makes it happen. You might have picked Emur first but Tellan then Kalse follow. One killer, one symp, then the last killer votes later on (Rashan, Lio or Shelly)

More and more i am not thinking it is Lio.

That second lynch is down to the swing. Shelly removes and Tellan removes and adds to Ozzy.

killer pair, shelly and tellan?

kalse as symp

I thought of Kalse as the symp minutes before he revealed as finder. Why am i believing him?

Tellan has been the constant most of the game but I could be so far wrong.

So, which one is it?

[Kaschan]

ok, I have to focus on work now, this back & forth is just screwing my brain up

[Telas]

Kaschan, conveniently doesn't weigh in on what's going on at all. Awesome, thanks for muddying up the waters more if you are inno.

[Tennes]

His reveal has messed up my game to be honest. I'm going to think of him as the symp. Trying so hard to save Tellan.

[Tennes]

Kaschan, on 31 July 2012 - 01:31 PM, said:

ok, I have to focus on work now, this back & forth is just screwing my brain up

who is your top choice for killers?

[Tennes]

are*

[Tellan]

Telas, on 31 July 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

I'd say it would ruin the game if mott told us, since it would confirm kalse's finder reveal.

This makes me think that you're scum, lol.

But his finder reveal should have been confirmable by his own words, but it wasn't because of the PS screwup (in this hypothetical situation).

Whatever, it doesn't matter.

[Telas]

Hahaha, just thinking objectively, not in my own best interests

[Liosan]

It seems like basic Mafia to me that Kalse is the obvious next lynch. She revealed as finder, and said SL was scum, but when we lynched Shelly, she came up town. It seems like a no-brainer to me, we lynch Kalse for fake revealing.

vote Kalse

I don't understand why everyone is so confused and distraught by this. Everyone's trying to make this a shit ton more complicated than it is. This is a M&P people, it's probably 2 killers and a symp, with the POSSIBILITY of a finder. I think it's likely there is NO finder. If Kalse isn't scum, then she's the symp, and though it's not exactly proper Mafia to lynch the symp, it at least gives town an extra day before D-Day.

[Sorrit]

Clearly Kalse blew his load for one of 4 reasons. Neither Rashan or Tellan was cooked, yet. But it was obvious that one of them was going to die. So would Kalse feel THEN was the time? If it was one or the other, he should have waited. I think it was both Rashan, and Tellan. Unless he's psycho.

Or a genius to know he could manipulate you ding-bats. I say its Rashan and Tellan.

If not, Tennes and Atrahal.

[Sorrit]

Liosan, on 31 July 2012 - 01:49 PM, said:

It seems like basic Mafia to me that Kalse is the obvious next lynch. She revealed as finder, and said SL was scum, but when we lynched Shelly, she came up town. It seems like a no-brainer to me, we lynch Kalse for fake revealing.

vote Kalse

I don't understand why everyone is so confused and distraught by this. Everyone's trying to make this a shit ton more complicated than it is. This is a M&P people, it's probably 2 killers and a symp, with the POSSIBILITY of a finder. I think it's likely there is NO finder. If Kalse isn't scum, then she's the symp, and though it's not exactly proper Mafia to lynch the symp, it at least gives town an extra day before D-Day.

I love you, my blonde bombshell. I've been surrounded by nincompoops. Make sweet mafia love to my text. Mmmmmm. Although Telas is talking since, I'm pissed at Tennes for betraying me, and atrahal for being very mean to me.

Glad a voice of reason doth shine. I wanted to lynch Kalse when he opened his mouth. But! I will say, the fact that SL didn't vote for what, if he was innocent, was a lying finder still boggles me noggin'.

Maybe there is a real finder. Guess what. You fuckers gonna fall for it again? What happens when another scum claims finder. I'm so angry.

Kalse claims SL is scum. If SL KNOWS he's not, why didn't he vote for Kalse? I can't puzzle it.

[Atrahal]

I find very little believable about Kalse's reveal. Why was he not building a case on whoever he had found, even if he did decide to wait to reveal until he had both scum? What is the likelihood of finding two scum in two days? I also find it difficult to believe that Mott would tell him the symp was scum, and his response to that question seemed like scrambling.

If we assume that Kalse was a symp, then he must have been deflecting from someone, and his fake-reveal is obvious enough that it shouldn't be too difficult to figure out who it was. I had a look at what went on in between the times that Kalse posted about being at work and the reveal. Eloth, Sorrit, Liosan, Rashan and Tennes were the main ones active at that time.

Eloth: Suspicious of Rashan for low-posting.
Sorrit: Bounces around like an insane ping-pong ball. Begins with suspicions of Telas and one of the ducks. Suggests Tennes as a possible symp. Looks at Eloth and Sheltatha Lore. Votes Rashan, then Tennes, then back to Rashan. Lists his main suspects as Tennes, SL and Telas.
Liosan: a couple of posts with suspicions about me, and a vote.
Rashan: votes Tellan, and is suspicious of Liosan
Tennes: Considers Tellan, Rashan and Kaschan. Later lists his biggest suspects as Tellan, Kaschan and Kalse, but is also watching Rashan. Votes Rashan, and then switches to Tellan

It looks to me like the player getting the most heat at the time was Rashan. The case was basically that Rashan was a low poster, and little Rashan could say would convince either Sorrit or Tennes.