[Asharak]

"I have been looking forward to it and while SE is clearly getting in early stating it is not a book about Rake, I still think he going to be a major part of the story but not a POV character."



Since the Kharkanas books will apparently be the tale called "Anomadaris", I think he will without a doubt play a big part in the series. I think the prelude is probably playing on Erikson and Esslemonts point that in reality no single individual is solely responsible for what happens. For an example, Napoleon didn't build an empire on his own, he did it with the aid of his generals and his men. Anomander Rake is the tip of the ice-berg, but there is probably a ton of characters lifting him up. Maybe he will be the "Tavore" character of this trilogy.

This post has been edited by Asharak: 06 July 2012 - 05:08 PM

[WhiskeyJackDaniels]

I'm trying to figure out if it is possible that Gallan just had some sort of prophecy that someone named Fisher Tel Kath would in the future become a kindred soul of his and sort of his poetic inheritor and he just writes this book for him knowing that it will survive to reach him at some point. There hasn't been a lot of prophecy in this series but theres been plenty of meeting people from different times in dreams and fragments of realms that exist outside of time, so its definitely possible.


Edit: And we know from GotM that Anomandaris was written by Fisher, don't we?

This post has been edited by WhiskeyJackDaniels: 07 July 2012 - 09:35 PM

[Illuyankas]

I like how we're all assuming Fisher simply isn't just there to be told Gallan's tale directly, to his face. We don't really know how old he is, do we?

[AnomanderRakeSoD]

Maybe 'Fisher Tel Kath' is Gallan's pseudonym?

[Kanese S's]

Fisher isn't blind.

[Kanese S's]

Illuyankas, on 07 July 2012 - 10:05 PM, said:

I like how we're all assuming Fisher simply isn't just there to be told Gallan's tale directly, to his face. We don't really know how old he is, do we?

Indeed not. For all we know, he's as old as Edgewalker or older. He could even be an elder god who just decided "You know what, screw this godhood thing, I'm going to go travel around being a bard and storyteller. That sounds like more fun." We have no idea really where he's been and what he's done in his life, except for a couple little snippets, or where and when it began. For all we know, he could have hung out with Gallan at some point.

[Baaljagg]

Kanese S, on 07 July 2012 - 10:25 PM, said:

Fisher isn't blind.

Nor is he Tiste Andii. But who's to say that Gallan's soul isn't residing within the entity known as Fisher? After all we know so very little about Fisher, other than that he is quite surprising in his capabilities and past companions.

This post has been edited by Baaljagg: 08 July 2012 - 11:40 PM

[worry]

Me. I'm to say that.

[Baaljagg]

You don't count

[Sinisdar Toste]

since the first line is "... so you have found me and would know the tale," i'm thinking that fisher has tracked down gallan himself, whether that be his ghost or his body, though the talk of sacrifice makes me think gallan might still be alive, whenever this conversation takes place. we don't know if fisher uses a warren, but since he's been alive for longer than a natural human being, we can assume he has some kind of power. he might be able to hunt down gallan.

[iixiong]

My theory: 1-Gallan made a rip/road to get the original Shakes to Wu 2-He then seals the rip/road with himself 3-Yon Tovis kicks him out of the rip/road in order to use it to get back 4-And everybody knows "Poets draws other Poets" 5-An epic convergence ensues

[Gnaw]

Baaljagg, on 08 July 2012 - 11:34 PM, said:

Kanese S, on 07 July 2012 - 10:25 PM, said:

Fisher isn't blind.

Nor is he Tiste Andii. But who's to say that Gallan's soul isn't residing within the entity known as Fisher? .

Gallan is one the souls in Quick Ben! Who is in Daru at the Phoenix Inn letting Kruppe know what happened in Kolanse. And Fisher is walking around and 'senses' an Andii soul.

The good news: we now know what quick meant with the 'mother' 'father' lines.

The bad news: every fourth paragraph of the entire trilogy will be Kruppe commenting on the tale, ordering more wine, or burping.

This post has been edited by Gnaw: 09 July 2012 - 03:57 AM

[kcf]

OK, I've got my copy, I've read nothing (yet) beyond the foreward above. But I did glance through the dramatis personae:

Spoiler

Gallan is not listed in the dramatis personae, but he may go by another name in this book. Also, lots of others in the dramatis personae that make me wonder quite a bit and get me very excited

[waylander001]

kcf, on 09 July 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

OK, I've got my copy, I've read nothing (yet) beyond the foreward above. But I did glance through the dramatis personae:

Spoiler

Gallan is not listed in the dramatis personae, but he may go by another name in this book. Also, lots of others in the dramatis personae that make me wonder quite a bit and get me very excited

you big tease

[Urizen]

kcf, on 09 July 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

OK, I've got my copy, I've read nothing (yet) beyond the foreward above. But I did glance through the dramatis personae:

Spoiler

Gallan is not listed in the dramatis personae, but he may go by another name in this book. Also, lots of others in the dramatis personae that make me wonder quite a bit and get me very excited

Spoiler

Like who? Mother Dark's long lost uncle?

[tiam]

Regarding the age of Fisher (though SE could quite easily shoe-horn him in anywhere given the paucity of information)-

In TTH Duikers says 'the Bards immortal' though its not explained whether its a metaphorical statement or directed at Fishers longevity. The main factor that makes me think Fisher isnt incredibly old is that Picker is questioning Fisher on his Anomandaris. It goes along the lines of
'So you wrote the Anomandaris'
'I did'
'Some of those verses are over 100 years old'
'I was a child prodigy'

Now that might mean nothing at all and clearly Fisher is more than what he seems yet I think hes a more recent phenomenon than some others do here.

This post has been edited by Jean-Claude Van tiam: 10 July 2012 - 10:27 AM

[Baaljagg]

Firstly Fisher's comment about being a child prodigy reeks of sarcasm and makes me think he is MUCH older than those 100 years. That or he's lying about writing them in the first place.

Secondly how is he capable of sensing hidden souls if he is just an old bard? I remember no mention of him being elderly, from the few descriptions given I imagine him to be in his middle years.

I guess he could be an avowed mage or the like, but i think he is likely to be much more. I suspect he has a place in one of the Houses.

[Aptorian]

The cut off point regarding the question of Fishers age is simple. Do we believe he is an ascendant human being or do we believe he is something masquerading as a human being?

If Fisher is an ascendant human being and not an elder being or the manifestation of poetry or something similarly confusing, then Fisher can not be older than the human race which, as far as we understand, is not much more than 1-200,000 years old depending upon how much time you think it took for us to go from Imass to Human. There is no indication that there were humans around before the Tiste Andii Exodus. Ergo, Fisher can not have met Gallan, because Gallan never left KG (as far as we know) and he died before the human race emerged. EDIT: Maybe human beings did already exist as mutant offshoots of Imass 3-400,000 years ago but if they did, they were living in caves and smearing shit on the walls. I do not think Fisher just so happens to be the worlds most refined caveman who went on an expedition to Kurald Galain just to have a chat with an Andii.

From the way Envy speaks to him, I believe she calls him "just a man", and the way Fisher generally acts, I think Fisher is not any older than The First Human Empire, probably much younger. He's just very well read and he's travelled a lot and seen some shit. The rest is probably down to the nature of his aspect.

This post has been edited by Aptorius: 10 July 2012 - 03:44 PM

[kcf]

Urizen, on 10 July 2012 - 10:04 AM, said:

kcf, on 09 July 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

OK, I've got my copy, I've read nothing (yet) beyond the foreward above. But I did glance through the dramatis personae:

Spoiler

Gallan is not listed in the dramatis personae, but he may go by another name in this book. Also, lots of others in the dramatis personae that make me wonder quite a bit and get me very excited

Spoiler

Like who? Mother Dark's long lost uncle?

More like:

Spoiler

The Azathanai, Jaghut and Others. Some of the distributions of the Houses and Holds, such as Dracons Hold, are interesting as well - but the others are what really got me excited

[waylander001]

kcf, on 10 July 2012 - 06:41 PM, said:

More like:

Spoiler

The Azathanai, Jaghut and Others. Some of the distributions of the Houses and Holds, such as Dracons Hold, are interesting as well - but the others are what really got me excited

- goddamn it - I didn't think I could get anymore excited about this book, looks like it's going to be even more interesting than i thought though!

This post has been edited by waylander001: 10 July 2012 - 11:08 PM