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#181 User is offline   Omtose 

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 02:20 PM

Well, I'm off for now. I was fine with my vote when I placed it, and I'm still fine with it now. Here's hoping for a day 1 break.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 02:53 PM

We are losing a lynch guys, pls vote Somebody so we will get the lynch at least.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 02:57 PM

View PostAnthras, on 19 June 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

We are losing a lynch guys, pls vote Somebody so we will get the lynch at least.



I think we still have 3 hours but I agree. Obviously I'm not going to change my vote since I'm sure of myself and think Korbas is as decent a case as we'll get today.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 03:03 PM

View PostAnthras, on 19 June 2012 - 01:52 PM, said:

View PostKorvalain, on 19 June 2012 - 01:42 PM, said:

View PostAnthras, on 19 June 2012 - 12:41 PM, said:

There is 6 hours left in the day and we have not reached an
agreement,So now if i want to lynch someone i can do 2 things:
1.Vote Korvalain
2. Vote Meanas
because the only reason that 3 votes are on Meanas is jokes(2 votes where on him from joke period and the rest just voted cause of them),i will vote for Korvalain for now AND wait to see what will happen.


Vote Korvalain

Edit:spelling


You blatantly disregard the Korbas case or the fact that Ampelas has 2 votes on him.

When i posted,there were 3 votes on you and 3 on Meanas and i want a lynch so i wanted to vote the guys with most votes already.


Not all the votes had been tallied at that time. So I'm curious why you didn't re-evaluate when you saw there was another case. It sounds like you are another one to just pile onto a train for little reason.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 03:06 PM

View PostOmtose, on 19 June 2012 - 02:12 PM, said:

View PostEloth, on 19 June 2012 - 01:38 PM, said:

Well that isn't so much a fun read as several pages of useless vote hopping. I am surprised that as many people piled on to my meanas vote, some even calling it a case when it was just nothing. A couple of things that stuck out to me are the players who aren't vote hopping, making cases or defending themselves, or low posting :rolleyes:. Now this is day one so really there is no hard evidence to go off of. But in my little pea brain I thought scum aren't going to want to make waves but they are going to want to make sure that they are on enough to keep the lynch off of themselves and trying to appear helpful. These posts jumped out at me.

View PostOmtose, on 19 June 2012 - 04:03 AM, said:

It's a balancing act. If we wait too long, it becomes a speed lynch of someone (often for little reason).

I'm tempted to vote for someone who hasn't laid a vote down (waiting to see which way the wind blows first), but for now I'm going to leave my vote on Korvalistmaker.



View PostD, on 19 June 2012 - 04:08 AM, said:

You're right about the speed lynching, and it seems like more often recently we are missing out on lynches, which just sends us around the same tracks of thought we had the day before.



View PostOmtose, on 19 June 2012 - 12:24 PM, said:

I don't get a scum vibe from Korbas. Scum can be abrasive, but it tends to be a non-committal abrasive. Korbas actually threw his vote around. I could be wrong of course, but I think I'd need a little more to switch my vote at this juncture.

I would, however, be willing to vote Eloth. Karosis AKA Mac played a pretty low posting first couple of days in our last M&P, and that left me a little disinclined to ignore the lower posters.


Based purely on their reactions to the pressure that getting close to the lynch hump brings (lynch hump for those of you who don't know is over the 50% mark. The majority of the time if a player crosses the lynch hump then no amount of defense will keep them alive) I think that Meanas and Korv are town. So I don't really feel that lynching either one of them will give us good information. I think that a productive lynch would be Korbas. But I don't think that the votes are their for that. I know that with only 3 or so hours left this vote will be called useless. But I will be around for the remaining time.

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Vote Omtose


editted to clarify and to add the remove vote.



I'm not sure I understand why you're voting for me. You won't vote for Korbas because the votes aren't there, but you'll vote for me? Also, not make waves? I'm hardly the most obvious target for that either. I'm fine with you applying pressure to me, but it should make some sort of sense.... Not to mention, you remove and vote Korbas 3 minutes after voting for me, so it doesn't even count as "pressure".

Care to explain further?


Well lets see if I can word this so that you can understand it. I voted for you because you are making comments like

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View PostOmtose, on 19 June 2012 - 04:03 AM, said:

It's a balancing act. If we wait too long, it becomes a speed lynch of someone (often for little reason).

I'm tempted to vote for someone who hasn't laid a vote down (waiting to see which way the wind blows first), but for now I'm going to leave my vote on Korvalistmaker.
"

not making waves as in no cases or real accusations but a few directing votes or inquiring about directing votes which pads your vote count. With 4 hours left in the day I doubt that any pressure is going to be put on you other then my single vote which as we both know is no real pressure at all. Therefore I moved my vote to Korbas. Basically I think that you are posting in a way that is allowing you to steer clear of the lynch light while seeming to be helpful. I find that irritating and suspicious. Does that make more sense to you. I would like to lynch you. But I don't think that the votes are there now. So because I want to get a lynch and am pragmatic I will move on to Korbas.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 03:26 PM

It is Day 1. 2 hours and 58 minutes remaining

13 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Driss, Eloth, Fener, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Omtose

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Ampelas ( Fener, Liosan )
1 Vote for Anomandaris ( Ampelas )
5 Votes for Korvalain ( Atrahal, Omtose, Driss, Anthras, Karosis )
1 Vote for Meanas ( Korbas )
4 Votes for Korbas ( Anomandaris, Korvalain, Meanas, Eloth )

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 03:45 PM

Still about, just getting my work finished before i go, wont leave without making a decision though and i will be about another half hour anyway.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 03:45 PM

Right now it looks like the lynch is either Korvalain or Korbas. I am willing to vote for Korv in order to get a lynch but I don't think that he is scum. Is there anyone out their who is willing to change to Korbas?

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 03:47 PM

I was taking a second look, and I'm starting to think my vote needs better placement. Mainly I was looking to see if anyone would try to steer the vote away from Korv, trying to say "this is just a n00b mistake", or "it's only day 1 give the guy a break." I'm not seeing many necks stretched in support of Korv. I do, however, see some activitiy around Korbas


View PostOmtose, on 19 June 2012 - 12:24 PM, said:

I don't get a scum vibe from Korbas. Scum can be abrasive, but it tends to be a non-committal abrasive. Korbas actually threw his vote around. I could be wrong of course, but I think I'd need a little more to switch my vote at this juncture.

I would, however, be willing to vote Eloth. Karosis AKA Mac played a pretty low posting first couple of days in our last M&P, and that left me a little disinclined to ignore the lower posters.


Omtose seems to be gently redirecting. Not voting so as not to get the "WTF it's almost the end of the day" response. However, Omtose does put in enough of a threat in pointing out Mac's play in the last M&P to make the danger real enough to give pause. Realize, as well, Omtose's vote is sitting on Korv...

View PostLiosan, on 19 June 2012 - 12:54 PM, said:

I understand what your saying but from the outside that just looked like two people insulting each other.

Thats pushed us to 3 players with 3 votes, will be on for a while but out of the three I dont know which i find most suspicious, korbas has a feeling of scumminess and I like the case above, but meanas you have a few posts i didnt like and will quote the major one below, and korv ignored my question about his ampelas removal when faced with what i think wasnt a very good response. so would like to hear back from him about that.

View PostMeanas, on 19 June 2012 - 12:04 AM, said:

Ohio!

Yeah, so, I'm town.
...

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No, seriously. I'm pretty sure Fener's just upset because I said he didn't exist and Karo is trying to mimic the alt's last owner with the whole "wanna get a lynch" thing (while somehow simultaneously sounding like some kind of n00b...that sort of logic is about as sound as the logic that got Fener lynched endlessly, LOL!) and...I don't even know who else joined my first-ten-hours lynch train. :)

(Oh yeah, and whoever thought it was odd that I disappeared/hadn't responded....did you miss the part where I said I was going to bed in my last post? :D)
....

Right, have I covered all the bases? Does it sound "defensive" and "worried" enough? XD


The rest of your game I felt was unlucky given some odd random voting but saying 'i am town' is like saying 'oh i bet i get night killed' or voting for night. It just rings false for everybody and people should know better. Strangely korbas also did that, and his felt equally sarcastic.

View PostKorbas, on 18 June 2012 - 10:04 PM, said:

View PostAnthras, on 18 June 2012 - 09:39 PM, said:

You were late so no entrance,Period.:rolleyes:
and dude who says put pressure on the guy. I ask of you,Why shouldn't i vote you?see there is no answer worth the time it takes typing.At least until later.we have to just trust our luck.

Edit:Grammar


There's no good reason as far as you know that you shouldn't vote me. Im T-totally town though, its the truth.



An interesting connection pointed out here Liosan. I like what you are thinking. I would be curious why these two were so blatant in their statements of citizenship when there really wasn't much pressure on them at the time of declaration.

One more interesting note on Korb:

View PostKorbas, on 19 June 2012 - 01:44 AM, said:

View PostD, on 18 June 2012 - 11:36 PM, said:

If I'm reading it right, Amp has two votes, Meanas has three, and Omtose, Korvalain and Ano have one each.

Sure Korbas, do what you like, but don't expect to not get called on it when it looks dodgy. I personally would have preferred a bit more discussion before putting someone halfway to a lynch, especially with 20 hours of day to go.


If wanting to obtain some information with a day one lynch looks dodgy, then sue me for dodginess. Putting someone halfway to a lynch isn't like I'm dropping the hammer or anything. I have a busy night tonight and possibly day tomorrow. I wanted to lay down a vote in case I didn't get a chance to come back, which obviously wasnt the case thus far. I dont expect not to get called out on it, but if I do then I'll give the same reasoning for this vote each time. We needz some infoz.


The comment about needing info caught my eye. He said this right after trying to defend and push his vote on Meanas. Kind of an odd statement when you are clinging to a "joke" vote.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 03:47 PM

I have to leave now unfotunately. I'll see if I can make it back before the lynch, but I'm thinking very unlikely...

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 03:49 PM

While i didnt think korv answered my question about the pressure on ampelas very well, i still feel the case against them is weaker. I would be inclined to vote korbas rather than korvalain, but if i do so now it will leave both two short, whereas voting korv would consign them to the lynch without anyone else getting a say in things by putting them on L-1.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 03:53 PM

Ok I'm awake and caught up. For everyone who wanted reasoning for my vote I will say it one last time. I voted becasue at the time there was no info, I didn't know if I would be able to be back before a lynch, and I didn't want to not vote for the day. That being said, there are some interesting cases abound now.

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The D'riss case(not much of a case really just a muck up) really stuck out to me because a few games ago I did the exact same thing, only I was a killer. I was in the mindset that I knew who was town and didn't care who got lynched, forgot who I was voting for, and removed my vote then put it back on the same person. In that game people jumped all up on my shit about it, but it was also not day 1 so there should have been actual reasoning behind the first vote when there really wasn't that much. I don't think D'riss is scum because of this since it's day 1, it just caught my eye while reading (nostalgia).

I wouldn't feel right voting for Eloth as a super-low poster, especially now that he's become a bit more active.

The case that I currently think has the most merit is the Korv case. He's totally playing it smooth, his defenses were, indeed, rather vague and didn't really address the issue. I'll put him at L-1 with a few hours left and see what goes down.

Vote Korvalain

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 03:56 PM

View PostKorbas, on 19 June 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

Ok I'm awake and caught up. For everyone who wanted reasoning for my vote I will say it one last time. I voted becasue at the time there was no info, I didn't know if I would be able to be back before a lynch, and I didn't want to not vote for the day. That being said, there are some interesting cases abound now.

Remove Vote


The D'riss case(not much of a case really just a muck up) really stuck out to me because a few games ago I did the exact same thing, only I was a killer. I was in the mindset that I knew who was town and didn't care who got lynched, forgot who I was voting for, and removed my vote then put it back on the same person. In that game people jumped all up on my shit about it, but it was also not day 1 so there should have been actual reasoning behind the first vote when there really wasn't that much. I don't think D'riss is scum because of this since it's day 1, it just caught my eye while reading (nostalgia).

I wouldn't feel right voting for Eloth as a super-low poster, especially now that he's become a bit more active.

The case that I currently think has the most merit is the Korv case. He's totally playing it smooth, his defenses were, indeed, rather vague and didn't really address the issue. I'll put him at L-1 with a few hours left and see what goes down.

Vote Korvalain


Your count is off. You and I are both at L2.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 03:57 PM

View PostHath-Daper, on 19 June 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 2 hours and 58 minutes remaining

13 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Driss, Eloth, Fener, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Omtose

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Ampelas ( Fener, Liosan )
1 Vote for Anomandaris ( Ampelas )
5 Votes for Korvalain ( Atrahal, Omtose, Driss, Anthras, Karosis )
1 Vote for Meanas ( Korbas )
4 Votes for Korbas ( Anomandaris, Korvalain, Meanas, Eloth )

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Plus my vote puts you at L-1

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 03:59 PM

View PostLiosan, on 19 June 2012 - 03:49 PM, said:

While i didnt think korv answered my question about the pressure on ampelas very well, i still feel the case against them is weaker. I would be inclined to vote korbas rather than korvalain, but if i do so now it will leave both two short, whereas voting korv would consign them to the lynch without anyone else getting a say in things by putting them on L-1.



I'm not quite sure how much more I can give you regarding Ampelas. I haven't called him PI or anything. My initial vote was based on his "Here" then "Here again" posts, and when he started to contribute a little more, I removed so I can get a better feel for him. At the moment, I like the Korbas case best, tomorrow may be a diffferent story.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 04:01 PM

View PostAtrahal, on 19 June 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:

I was taking a second look, and I'm starting to think my vote needs better placement. Mainly I was looking to see if anyone would try to steer the vote away from Korv, trying to say "this is just a n00b mistake", or "it's only day 1 give the guy a break." I'm not seeing many necks stretched in support of Korv. I do, however, see some activitiy around Korbas


View PostOmtose, on 19 June 2012 - 12:24 PM, said:

I don't get a scum vibe from Korbas. Scum can be abrasive, but it tends to be a non-committal abrasive. Korbas actually threw his vote around. I could be wrong of course, but I think I'd need a little more to switch my vote at this juncture.

I would, however, be willing to vote Eloth. Karosis AKA Mac played a pretty low posting first couple of days in our last M&P, and that left me a little disinclined to ignore the lower posters.


Omtose seems to be gently redirecting. Not voting so as not to get the "WTF it's almost the end of the day" response. However, Omtose does put in enough of a threat in pointing out Mac's play in the last M&P to make the danger real enough to give pause. Realize, as well, Omtose's vote is sitting on Korv...

View PostLiosan, on 19 June 2012 - 12:54 PM, said:

I understand what your saying but from the outside that just looked like two people insulting each other.

Thats pushed us to 3 players with 3 votes, will be on for a while but out of the three I dont know which i find most suspicious, korbas has a feeling of scumminess and I like the case above, but meanas you have a few posts i didnt like and will quote the major one below, and korv ignored my question about his ampelas removal when faced with what i think wasnt a very good response. so would like to hear back from him about that.

View PostMeanas, on 19 June 2012 - 12:04 AM, said:

Ohio!

Yeah, so, I'm town.
...

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No, seriously. I'm pretty sure Fener's just upset because I said he didn't exist and Karo is trying to mimic the alt's last owner with the whole "wanna get a lynch" thing (while somehow simultaneously sounding like some kind of n00b...that sort of logic is about as sound as the logic that got Fener lynched endlessly, LOL!) and...I don't even know who else joined my first-ten-hours lynch train. :)

(Oh yeah, and whoever thought it was odd that I disappeared/hadn't responded....did you miss the part where I said I was going to bed in my last post? :D)
....

Right, have I covered all the bases? Does it sound "defensive" and "worried" enough? XD


The rest of your game I felt was unlucky given some odd random voting but saying 'i am town' is like saying 'oh i bet i get night killed' or voting for night. It just rings false for everybody and people should know better. Strangely korbas also did that, and his felt equally sarcastic.

View PostKorbas, on 18 June 2012 - 10:04 PM, said:

View PostAnthras, on 18 June 2012 - 09:39 PM, said:

You were late so no entrance,Period.:rolleyes:
and dude who says put pressure on the guy. I ask of you,Why shouldn't i vote you?see there is no answer worth the time it takes typing.At least until later.we have to just trust our luck.

Edit:Grammar


There's no good reason as far as you know that you shouldn't vote me. Im T-totally town though, its the truth.



An interesting connection pointed out here Liosan. I like what you are thinking. I would be curious why these two were so blatant in their statements of citizenship when there really wasn't much pressure on them at the time of declaration.

One more interesting note on Korb:

View PostKorbas, on 19 June 2012 - 01:44 AM, said:

View PostD, on 18 June 2012 - 11:36 PM, said:

If I'm reading it right, Amp has two votes, Meanas has three, and Omtose, Korvalain and Ano have one each.

Sure Korbas, do what you like, but don't expect to not get called on it when it looks dodgy. I personally would have preferred a bit more discussion before putting someone halfway to a lynch, especially with 20 hours of day to go.


If wanting to obtain some information with a day one lynch looks dodgy, then sue me for dodginess. Putting someone halfway to a lynch isn't like I'm dropping the hammer or anything. I have a busy night tonight and possibly day tomorrow. I wanted to lay down a vote in case I didn't get a chance to come back, which obviously wasnt the case thus far. I dont expect not to get called out on it, but if I do then I'll give the same reasoning for this vote each time. We needz some infoz.


The comment about needing info caught my eye. He said this right after trying to defend and push his vote on Meanas. Kind of an odd statement when you are clinging to a "joke" vote.

Remove Vote
Vote Korbas




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View PostHath-Daper, on 19 June 2012 - 03:26 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 2 hours and 58 minutes remaining

13 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Driss, Eloth, Fener, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Omtose

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Ampelas ( Fener, Liosan )
1 Vote for Anomandaris ( Ampelas )
5 Votes for Korvalain ( Atrahal, Omtose, Driss, Anthras, Karosis )
1 Vote for Meanas ( Korbas )
4 Votes for Korbas ( Anomandaris, Korvalain, Meanas, Eloth )

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Plus my vote puts you at L-1


Read the thread... Atrahal removed and moved to you.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 04:01 PM

It is Day 1. 2 hours and 23 minutes remaining

13 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Driss, Eloth, Fener, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Omtose

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Ampelas ( Fener, Liosan )
1 Vote for Anomandaris ( Ampelas )
5 Votes for Korvalain ( Atrahal, Omtose, Driss, Karosis, Korbas )
5 Votes for Korbas ( Anomandaris, Korvalain, Meanas, Eloth, Anthras )

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 04:03 PM

View PostHath-Daper, on 19 June 2012 - 04:01 PM, said:

It is Day 1. 2 hours and 23 minutes remaining

13 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Driss, Eloth, Fener, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Omtose

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Ampelas ( Fener, Liosan )
1 Vote for Anomandaris ( Ampelas )
5 Votes for Korvalain ( Atrahal, Omtose, Driss, Karosis, Korbas )
5 Votes for Korbas ( Anomandaris, Korvalain, Meanas, Eloth, Anthras )

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Votes are wrong. Should be Anthras on me and Atrahal on Korbas.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 04:05 PM

Yes ok I concede, you have much higher reading comprehension than lil ole me.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 04:09 PM

View PostKorvalain, on 19 June 2012 - 03:59 PM, said:

View PostLiosan, on 19 June 2012 - 03:49 PM, said:

While i didnt think korv answered my question about the pressure on ampelas very well, i still feel the case against them is weaker. I would be inclined to vote korbas rather than korvalain, but if i do so now it will leave both two short, whereas voting korv would consign them to the lynch without anyone else getting a say in things by putting them on L-1.



I'm not quite sure how much more I can give you regarding Ampelas. I haven't called him PI or anything. My initial vote was based on his "Here" then "Here again" posts, and when he started to contribute a little more, I removed so I can get a better feel for him. At the moment, I like the Korbas case best, tomorrow may be a diffferent story.


Its just different to how i would have responded to what i felt was a cheeky response rather than a genuine effort to contribute.

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Sorry korbas, out of the two I just feel korvalain is the less suspicious. No one seems to be defending him, while anthras seemed desperate to speed lynch them earlier. Added to the fact that both you and meanas made that weird "i am town" statement which i didnt like. If you come back guilty they will be the next person I would look at.

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