[Korbas]

He doesn't have 4 LPs, he has 4 lives.

[Ampelas]

Lol, and Osseric gets shot anyways... warn me next time Atrahal, I'll find somebody else!

[Ampelas]

Telas, on 07 June 2012 - 02:16 PM, said:

Ok, as long as we're all sharing.

The reason we're seeing so many day vigs - and specifically people being shot - is because those people (Osseric, Atrahal, Emurlahn) were given a choice of weapons in the night and they chose the Gun, which gives them a day vig but also identifies on thread who did the shooting.

Yes, I also got a choice of weapons. And no, I have not been recruited. It seems that us 'stumbling on a cache' can happen whether we're recruited or not.

Now, my guess is that this has been handed out to a LOT of RIs. Which makes it very interesting for me that people like Rashan, Korvalain, and Anomandaris appear to know nothing about it (look at their questioning how RIs have the ability to kill). Very interesting because presumably players who already had weapons were not given this choice.

Okay, cool and good to know. It seems like anyone who took and used the Gun get a pretty distinct reveal - it says "shot", not something generic and it gives up the Gun-user's name. So Atrahal, you saw Osseric use a Gun and would have known from the mod scene that it was the same ability you have... why would you then waste your Gun on someone you can tell is (was) an RI? Even if they were recruited, you should've saved it for BM or a CL.

[Ampelas]

Telas, on 07 June 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 07 June 2012 - 03:16 PM, said:

Osseric now claiming to have witnessed rooftop meetings or something like that? Is this another possible ability you can get from being recruited like what Meanas was claiming?

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Fuck you! I catch'up how I want!

[Ampelas]

Korbas, on 07 June 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

He doesn't have 4 LPs, he has 4 lives.

Only if lynched. Interpreting the OP directly, he has only one life if he dies by NAs/DAs. But either way, it takes 4 lynches to kill him, and only 2 to kill a CL, so by the logic you used that is severe discouragement of us trying to kill BM. But obviously we need to do that, so I don't agree that an LP necessarily means we are not "supposed" to remove CLs.

[Anomandaris]

So i was showering and just thought of something. When emhurlahn shot eloth PS told us that he was shot even though he didn't die (apparently). So thatwould mean that eloth used up a BP not dying from that gunshot. Korbas claims to have used up a BP when meanas targeted him, but not PS message telling us that hed been shot. Anyone have a possible reason for that? The only thing I can think of was that Emur was using the ability that he chose that revealed who shot and meanas was using a different vig ability, if that makes sense.

[Telas]

Ampelas, on 07 June 2012 - 03:49 PM, said:

Korbas, on 07 June 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

He doesn't have 4 LPs, he has 4 lives.

Only if lynched. Interpreting the OP directly, he has only one life if he dies by NAs/DAs. But either way, it takes 4 lynches to kill him, and only 2 to kill a CL, so by the logic you used that is severe discouragement of us trying to kill BM. But obviously we need to do that, so I don't agree that an LP necessarily means we are not "supposed" to remove CLs.

What? Batman has 4 lives. It doesn't matter how they are taken off him. Might be night kill, might be lynch. But once he's been murderised 4 times in some way, it's over.

What we've been speculating is that Batman is properly easier to lynch (i.e. only takes one lynch) than to kill directly (because of BPs or other abilities) - simply because clearly the CLs have lynch-proofs. If Batman did too, that would suck royally.

[Ampelas]

Anomandaris, on 07 June 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

So i was showering and just thought of something. When emhurlahn shot eloth PS told us that he was shot even though he didn't die (apparently). So thatwould mean that eloth used up a BP not dying from that gunshot. Korbas claims to have used up a BP when meanas targeted him, but not PS message telling us that hed been shot. Anyone have a possible reason for that? The only thing I can think of was that Emur was using the ability that he chose that revealed who shot and meanas was using a different vig ability, if that makes sense.

I'm going back over this to make sure I've got it straight, but yeah there wasn't any scene from Meanas afaik. Furthermore, Korbas says he lost it that night, but all the Guns so far have been used in the day, right? People with Guns, can you clarify if they are useable at night?

[Korbas]

Anomandaris, on 07 June 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

So i was showering and just thought of something. When emhurlahn shot eloth PS told us that he was shot even though he didn't die (apparently). So thatwould mean that eloth used up a BP not dying from that gunshot. Korbas claims to have used up a BP when meanas targeted him, but not PS message telling us that hed been shot. Anyone have a possible reason for that? The only thing I can think of was that Emur was using the ability that he chose that revealed who shot and meanas was using a different vig ability, if that makes sense.

Meanas' was at night.

[Anomandaris]

Another theory I just thought of. Eloth got shot, but was not confirmed dead. What are the chances that Eloth was BM, that shot killed the alt eloth but now BM role has been passed to his successor? I only say that because of the lack of PS message saying that Korbas was shot, and the fact that Eloth hasnt posted since he was shot. If he posts I guess that blows this theory all to shit, but I'm just thinking.

[Anomandaris]

Korbas, on 07 June 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 07 June 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

So i was showering and just thought of something. When emhurlahn shot eloth PS told us that he was shot even though he didn't die (apparently). So thatwould mean that eloth used up a BP not dying from that gunshot. Korbas claims to have used up a BP when meanas targeted him, but not PS message telling us that hed been shot. Anyone have a possible reason for that? The only thing I can think of was that Emur was using the ability that he chose that revealed who shot and meanas was using a different vig ability, if that makes sense.

Meanas' was at night.

So he was using a different ability than the gun ability that Rl's got a chance to pick from you think? Maybe the one that you get to chose when recruited (if he was telling the truth) is only usable and night and doesnt reveal the shooter.

[Telas]

Anomandaris, on 07 June 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

So i was showering and just thought of something. When emhurlahn shot eloth PS told us that he was shot even though he didn't die (apparently). So thatwould mean that eloth used up a BP not dying from that gunshot. Korbas claims to have used up a BP when meanas targeted him, but not PS message telling us that hed been shot. Anyone have a possible reason for that? The only thing I can think of was that Emur was using the ability that he chose that revealed who shot and meanas was using a different vig ability, if that makes sense.

I assume it was reported because it has had some kind of negative effect on Eloth. Notice we haven't seen him around since. Possibly it takes him out of the game for a day, or something like that.

[Ampelas]

Telas, on 07 June 2012 - 03:52 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 07 June 2012 - 03:49 PM, said:

Korbas, on 07 June 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

He doesn't have 4 LPs, he has 4 lives.

Only if lynched. Interpreting the OP directly, he has only one life if he dies by NAs/DAs. But either way, it takes 4 lynches to kill him, and only 2 to kill a CL, so by the logic you used that is severe discouragement of us trying to kill BM. But obviously we need to do that, so I don't agree that an LP necessarily means we are not "supposed" to remove CLs.

What? Batman has 4 lives. It doesn't matter how they are taken off him. Might be night kill, might be lynch. But once he's been murderised 4 times in some way, it's over.

What we've been speculating is that Batman is properly easier to lynch (i.e. only takes one lynch) than to kill directly (because of BPs or other abilities) - simply because clearly the CLs have lynch-proofs. If Batman did too, that would suck royally.

From the OP: "if he is lynched, the executives may meddle and use "Dramatic Twist" to prolong the life of the show. Batman can designate a sucessor, Big-Ben/Gozer style. anyone who is not a recruiter may be a successor."

"If he is lynched", not "if he is killed"

read the OP properly next time

[Korbas]

Idk, I suppose we'll have to wait for atrahal to come back and tell us if its usable at night

[Telas]

Oh yes, and Meanas' attack was at night. Which means that Meanas had chosen the Knife, rather than the Gun, for what it's worth

[Anomandaris]

Ampelas, on 07 June 2012 - 03:56 PM, said:

Telas, on 07 June 2012 - 03:52 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 07 June 2012 - 03:49 PM, said:

Korbas, on 07 June 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

He doesn't have 4 LPs, he has 4 lives.

Only if lynched. Interpreting the OP directly, he has only one life if he dies by NAs/DAs. But either way, it takes 4 lynches to kill him, and only 2 to kill a CL, so by the logic you used that is severe discouragement of us trying to kill BM. But obviously we need to do that, so I don't agree that an LP necessarily means we are not "supposed" to remove CLs.

What? Batman has 4 lives. It doesn't matter how they are taken off him. Might be night kill, might be lynch. But once he's been murderised 4 times in some way, it's over.

What we've been speculating is that Batman is properly easier to lynch (i.e. only takes one lynch) than to kill directly (because of BPs or other abilities) - simply because clearly the CLs have lynch-proofs. If Batman did too, that would suck royally.

From the OP: "if he is lynched, the executives may meddle and use "Dramatic Twist" to prolong the life of the show. Batman can designate a sucessor, Big-Ben/Gozer style. anyone who is not a recruiter may be a successor."

"If he is lynched", not "if he is killed"

read the OP properly next time

Guess that ruins my last theory with the successor. Still curious as to what the effect on Eloth was.

[Korbas]

Telas, on 07 June 2012 - 03:56 PM, said:

Oh yes, and Meanas' attack was at night. Which means that Meanas had chosen the Knife, rather than the Gun, for what it's worth

Ah. There ya go.

[Omtose]

Telas, on 07 June 2012 - 03:55 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 07 June 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

So i was showering and just thought of something. When emhurlahn shot eloth PS told us that he was shot even though he didn't die (apparently). So thatwould mean that eloth used up a BP not dying from that gunshot. Korbas claims to have used up a BP when meanas targeted him, but not PS message telling us that hed been shot. Anyone have a possible reason for that? The only thing I can think of was that Emur was using the ability that he chose that revealed who shot and meanas was using a different vig ability, if that makes sense.

I assume it was reported because it has had some kind of negative effect on Eloth. Notice we haven't seen him around since. Possibly it takes him out of the game for a day, or something like that.

He posted that he would be in meetings for several hours.

[Fener]

Ampelas, on 07 June 2012 - 03:44 PM, said:

Telas, on 07 June 2012 - 02:16 PM, said:

Ok, as long as we're all sharing.

The reason we're seeing so many day vigs - and specifically people being shot - is because those people (Osseric, Atrahal, Emurlahn) were given a choice of weapons in the night and they chose the Gun, which gives them a day vig but also identifies on thread who did the shooting.

Yes, I also got a choice of weapons. And no, I have not been recruited. It seems that us 'stumbling on a cache' can happen whether we're recruited or not.

Now, my guess is that this has been handed out to a LOT of RIs. Which makes it very interesting for me that people like Rashan, Korvalain, and Anomandaris appear to know nothing about it (look at their questioning how RIs have the ability to kill). Very interesting because presumably players who already had weapons were not given this choice.

Okay, cool and good to know. It seems like anyone who took and used the Gun get a pretty distinct reveal - it says "shot", not something generic and it gives up the Gun-user's name. So Atrahal, you saw Osseric use a Gun and would have known from the mod scene that it was the same ability you have... why would you then waste your Gun on someone you can tell is (was) an RI? Even if they were recruited, you should've saved it for BM or a CL.

Yes, this was a mistake by Atrahal, we already had confirmation of Osseric not being Batman because he shot someone, so the day vig was wasted.

Fucking 10 pages to slog through now that I'm back.

The case for me being Batman seems to rely solely on the fact that I didn't think Batman would go after Eloth at night - and what the fuck do you know, Eloth is still alive! And even after a day vig attempt - still alive! So either had 2 BPs and an LP, or Batman didn't try to kill him last night.

If every CL has at least one LP and 2 BPs, how the fuck can Batman win this game? Town can't lynch CLs and Batman can only take so many NAs. There' s just no way he went after Eloth; my guess is his protection is gone now.

Karosis, on 07 June 2012 - 10:39 AM, said:

Hmm, OK something else just popped into my head. Maybe the Batman can reflect NKs? If Korbas were the Batman, that would explain why Meanas is dead today. No time to do analysis right now, but maybe something someone with time could have a look into...

Actually, this is giving me vibes that Korbas is Batman. I don't have a lot of evidence to back this up right now but that is my gut instinct right now. He claims roled town - nice cover after we've seen others go down - but he's been actively involved and doing a lot of leading on thread, as well as provoking. I can't explain it fully but I think Korbas is Batman. So for now:

Vote Korbas

[Fener]

Anomandaris, on 07 June 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

Another theory I just thought of. Eloth got shot, but was not confirmed dead. What are the chances that Eloth was BM, that shot killed the alt eloth but now BM role has been passed to his successor? I only say that because of the lack of PS message saying that Korbas was shot, and the fact that Eloth hasnt posted since he was shot. If he posts I guess that blows this theory all to shit, but I'm just thinking.

I think Batman's alt actually has to die in order for the "succession" mechanic to come into play. I think otherwise it would be completely confusing and stupid. All of a sudden Eloth would just be town or something and have no more powers? Makes no sense. Dismiss. Eloth didn't die from the vig because he had a BP.