[Anomandaris]

You dont think that BM could have had a day 1 vig and used it on SL?

[Korbas]

Emurlahn, on 07 June 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

Guys I'm in and out again, hopefully have more time after the weekend but for now i'm getting limited posting times. I have just put in a Vig for Eloth. I'll explain when I'm next on. I got a choice of some powers after day one but I'm not recruited. I picked the Vig which I immediately put on Atrahal for not voting on day one but PS said I couldn't use it until after night 2. I'm gone now as I have no time.

Not recruited? I don't get it.

[Karosis]

Emurlahn, on 07 June 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

Guys I'm in and out again, hopefully have more time after the weekend but for now i'm getting limited posting times. I have just put in a Vig for Eloth. I'll explain when I'm next on. I got a choice of some powers after day one but I'm not recruited. I picked the Vig which I immediately put on Atrahal for not voting on day one but PS said I couldn't use it until after night 2. I'm gone now as I have no time.

Hmm, well I guess if this works it will reduce the number of recruiters slightly...might buy us an extra day, which is a good thing. IMO it would be better to save these vigs for when we have more knowledge of the situation though. They are tools we have to use wisely, and by definition we have less information now than we will in the future. Plus, they can give us a lot of information as well when wielded properly. But we're not really using them for that at the moment...

[Korbas]

Anomandaris, on 07 June 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

Korbas, on 07 June 2012 - 01:38 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 07 June 2012 - 11:34 AM, said:

If I were going after people who irritated me, Osseric would have been far from the top of the list

Oooooh pick me, pick me.

That said, I like your reasoning. Seems sound to me.

Maybe so it can reflect again and kill someone? Not saying I'm positive thats what happened, just speculating.

No, I've just been annoying him all game.Might as well taunt some more.

[Korbas]

Path-Shaper, on 07 June 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

no tim for a scene, quick post from wrk

Eloth has been shot by Emurlahn

Day 3, I think 17 of you still alive.


i'll check back in a few hours during lunch

-ment

Goddammit. Are we even trying to find the b man at this point?

[Korbas]

Anomandaris, on 07 June 2012 - 01:46 PM, said:

Emurlahn going for the Eloth vig makes me think that maybe hes BM trying to off a CL, but then if he was would it have given us his name?

Just looks like another day vig to me. At least proving his non-batmanness.

[Korbas]

Anomandaris, on 07 June 2012 - 01:50 PM, said:

You dont think that BM could have had a day 1 vig and used it on SL?

Actually, I think that's likely. Since that was different than the others. If you're asking me. I'm getting lost in the xpostage

[Omtose]

Anomandaris, on 07 June 2012 - 01:26 PM, said:

Ok I've caught up now. Seems to me that if Atrahal was a rl town to begin with that his vig of osseric means that he was recruited and thus given a weapon. Meanas basically told us that he got an ability upon being recruited (he also said that he targeted korb and he isnt dead, strange) so if we believe that then osseric probabyl got his vig when he was recruited as well.

I liked the idea that someone had earlier where BM can reflect vig attempts, that could explain why korb isnt dead and meanas is dead and no name was given as to who did it.

If when someone is killed by BM we arent told who did it, then that leaves Shelly and Meanas dead by batman, correct? Maybe he has tried other actions on the revealed CL's to no resultant kill and is just breaking through their (apparently) tough defenses.

I kind of like that thought. The batman has always moved in the shadows and his identity is hidden. Fits with the persona.

[Korbas]

Karosis, on 07 June 2012 - 01:51 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 07 June 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

Guys I'm in and out again, hopefully have more time after the weekend but for now i'm getting limited posting times. I have just put in a Vig for Eloth. I'll explain when I'm next on. I got a choice of some powers after day one but I'm not recruited. I picked the Vig which I immediately put on Atrahal for not voting on day one but PS said I couldn't use it until after night 2. I'm gone now as I have no time.

Hmm, well I guess if this works it will reduce the number of recruiters slightly...might buy us an extra day, which is a good thing. IMO it would be better to save these vigs for when we have more knowledge of the situation though. They are tools we have to use wisely, and by definition we have less information now than we will in the future. Plus, they can give us a lot of information as well when wielded properly. But we're not really using them for that at the moment...

Another plus side is the presence of *shot* in the wording means he;s not batman.

[Anomandaris]

Korbas, on 07 June 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

Karosis, on 07 June 2012 - 01:51 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 07 June 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

Guys I'm in and out again, hopefully have more time after the weekend but for now i'm getting limited posting times. I have just put in a Vig for Eloth. I'll explain when I'm next on. I got a choice of some powers after day one but I'm not recruited. I picked the Vig which I immediately put on Atrahal for not voting on day one but PS said I couldn't use it until after night 2. I'm gone now as I have no time.

Hmm, well I guess if this works it will reduce the number of recruiters slightly...might buy us an extra day, which is a good thing. IMO it would be better to save these vigs for when we have more knowledge of the situation though. They are tools we have to use wisely, and by definition we have less information now than we will in the future. Plus, they can give us a lot of information as well when wielded properly. But we're not really using them for that at the moment...

Another plus side is the presence of *shot* in the wording means he;s not batman.

I wouldn't call that a plus, just means that someone who isnt BM wasted a vig on someone who...isnt BM

[Omtose]

Path-Shaper, on 07 June 2012 - 01:44 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 07 June 2012 - 01:42 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 07 June 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

no tim for a scene, quick post from wrk

Eloth has been shot by Emurlahn

Day 3, I think 17 of you still alive.


i'll check back in a few hours during lunch

-ment

No CF on eloth?!?

I never said he died.

You're kidding right?

I'm in and out of meetings myself.

[Karosis]

Huh, so Eloth STILL isn't dead? *sigh*.

[Karosis]

Anomandaris, on 07 June 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

Korbas, on 07 June 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

Karosis, on 07 June 2012 - 01:51 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 07 June 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

Guys I'm in and out again, hopefully have more time after the weekend but for now i'm getting limited posting times. I have just put in a Vig for Eloth. I'll explain when I'm next on. I got a choice of some powers after day one but I'm not recruited. I picked the Vig which I immediately put on Atrahal for not voting on day one but PS said I couldn't use it until after night 2. I'm gone now as I have no time.

Hmm, well I guess if this works it will reduce the number of recruiters slightly...might buy us an extra day, which is a good thing. IMO it would be better to save these vigs for when we have more knowledge of the situation though. They are tools we have to use wisely, and by definition we have less information now than we will in the future. Plus, they can give us a lot of information as well when wielded properly. But we're not really using them for that at the moment...

Another plus side is the presence of *shot* in the wording means he;s not batman.

I wouldn't call that a plus, just means that someone who isnt BM wasted a vig on someone who...isnt BM

It doesn't outweight the 'minus' that another vig has been wasted, but it is a 'plus' in that it narrows our search for the BM slightly.

[Liosan]

So, someone fired a gun on Eloth and he survived. Interdasting. Veeery interesting.

[Korbas]

Fair enough, fair enough.

[Telas]

Ok, as long as we're all sharing.

The reason we're seeing so many day vigs - and specifically people being shot - is because those people (Osseric, Atrahal, Emurlahn) were given a choice of weapons in the night and they chose the Gun, which gives them a day vig but also identifies on thread who did the shooting.

Yes, I also got a choice of weapons. And no, I have not been recruited. It seems that us 'stumbling on a cache' can happen whether we're recruited or not.

Now, my guess is that this has been handed out to a LOT of RIs. Which makes it very interesting for me that people like Rashan, Korvalain, and Anomandaris appear to know nothing about it (look at their questioning how RIs have the ability to kill). Very interesting because presumably players who already had weapons were not given this choice.

[Telas]

Korbas is another who doesn't seem to have known about it.

[Omtose]

OK, so Eloth can't be totally invulnerable. Do we try and finish him off or just go for batman? I'm still looking at the low posters.

[Korbas]

Telas, on 07 June 2012 - 02:16 PM, said:

Ok, as long as we're all sharing.

The reason we're seeing so many day vigs - and specifically people being shot - is because those people (Osseric, Atrahal, Emurlahn) were given a choice of weapons in the night and they chose the Gun, which gives them a day vig but also identifies on thread who did the shooting.

Yes, I also got a choice of weapons. And no, I have not been recruited. It seems that us 'stumbling on a cache' can happen whether we're recruited or not.

Now, my guess is that this has been handed out to a LOT of RIs. Which makes it very interesting for me that people like Rashan, Korvalain, and Anomandaris appear to know nothing about it (look at their questioning how RIs have the ability to kill). Very interesting because presumably players who already had weapons were not given this choice.

Quote their posts, please, if you have time.

If Korvalain turns out to be batman, I'm going to be simultaneously happy and annoyed.

I'll be back in a bit. Breakfast & whatnot.

[Telas]

Rashan, on 07 June 2012 - 11:51 AM, said:

Well, catching up was much easier than usual, but still so much has happened in the little while I was gone!! So, we're down two town and two Joker recruits. Poor Joker, keeps losing his minions!! Anyway, given that Osseric was obviously not Batman, I will go back to my case on Liosan.

Day 1 vig happened within 20 minutes of one of Liosan's very few posts. This stood out to me because everyone else that was posting around that time was the usual suspects, then Liosan popped up with some inconsequential bullshit then disappeared again. To this point he hasn't really participated in any consequential posting, hasn't really added to anything, but has always been happy to jump on a lynch train, so for that reason

vote Liosan

Couple of things that I think we should discuss - are we assuming that the Osseric kill was a BM vig again, or maybe another CL? If Osseric was only a Thug without a name, how did he kill Tulas Shorn? Obvious here he doesn't know about the Gun weapon ability.

Anyway, I'm going to go nap for a few hours, then will be doing the grad thing with my sister, but I will try to get on and read up before doing the grad thing with my sister.

Korvalain, on 07 June 2012 - 12:04 PM, said:

Damn, I just remembered half way through a beautiful post detailing why I thought Emur was Batman, before remembering that he is, at worst, a recruit And now I don't have time to look at Korbas...

I'm happy with Atrahal's vig. Osseric was annoying as all hell, and it was worth testing the information we were given, even if we didn't want to waste the time lynching him.

I'm wondering why we didn't get told who knocked off Sheltatha. All the other day vigs had in the CF who killed them, but Sheltatha didn't. Probably doesn't have much significance, but I thought it was worth pointing out. Sheltatha was before night 1, when a choice of weapons - including the Gun - first started being handed out.

Anyway, I am now heading home from work. See you all in the morning.

Rashan, on 07 June 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

Wow, and apparently I need to read closer, guess I'm more tired than I thought... I didn't notice that Atrahal was responsible for the Osseric death... So does that mean that Atrahal is one of the CLs' recruits? Would PS have told us if it was Batman? I assume that a BM vig would just not have the name of the person doing the vig, right? Hmmmm, so then the question still remains, how did Osseric (and now Atrahal, maybe) kill someone? Here Rashan is assuming that weapons being handed out is tied to recruitment, which in my experience anyway it is not.

And now for you, Korbas

Korbas, on 07 June 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

Osseric was a joker recruit, which lends credit to the idea that Joker's guys get some weapons. Which makes me think Atrahal is a Joker recruit as well... Not at all necessarily true, as I explained.


As for your case.. it feels dirty. There's nothing I can argue, but it just feels wrong to do the time - based pseudo meta business.

And here's both Anomandaris and Korbas in one:

Korbas, on 07 June 2012 - 01:48 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 07 June 2012 - 01:26 PM, said:

Ok I've caught up now. Seems to me that if Atrahal was a rl town to begin with that his vig of osseric means that he was recruited and thus given a weapon. Meanas basically told us that he got an ability upon being recruited (he also said that he targeted korb and he isnt dead, strange) so if we believe that then osseric probabyl got his vig when he was recruited as well.

I liked the idea that someone had earlier where BM can reflect vig attempts, that could explain why korb isnt dead and meanas is dead and no name was given as to who did it.

If when someone is killed by BM we arent told who did it, then that leaves Shelly and Meanas dead by batman, correct? Maybe he has tried other actions on the revealed CL's to no resultant kill and is just breaking through their (apparently) tough defenses. This is not necessarily true, just means they weren't killed by the Gun weapon which identifies the attacker.

The idea is okay, but Shelly was day vigged day 1. So he couldn't have had a vig, unless he started with one. We've seen 2 vigs so far other than that, both from supposed recruits. I feel ment wouldn't give town a vig role, with all these other kills possible. I suppose I could be wrong, but that's how I feel.