[Karosis]

Korbas, on 06 June 2012 - 12:30 AM, said:

You know too, right? I seem to remember that being how it works.

My first thought is that we shouldn't lynch them, since they have no recruits... but maybe its too much of an optomistic idea to believe we can find one of the other 3 bad guys today.

Unfortunately I don't know who tried to recruit me, just that there were two attempts.

Korbas, on 06 June 2012 - 12:30 AM, said:

Also, why you?

Well, I like to think it's because I was talking rationally and people tended to agree with me a lot. But then again, maybe not. There was that message from one of the cultists saying that they had 'claimed' me as one of their recruitment pool. Maybe one of the others didn't believe them?

[Karosis]

Anyway, I'm off to bed now. I will have more thoughts in the morning.

[Anomandaris]

Path-Shaper, on 06 June 2012 - 12:28 AM, said:

your revereis are interrupted by teh sexy Morning Announcement on GreenPeace FM:

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Joker, darling, I propose we go on a date. My little honeybees have been whispering while they polinate my babies. I would just love the chance to tell you what they've told me!

Could this portion perhaps hint that PI has recruited someone? I could also see this meaning they both went for Karo.

[Korbas]

Telas, on 06 June 2012 - 12:32 AM, said:

Korbas, on 06 June 2012 - 12:25 AM, said:

Analyzing vigs is the same as analyzing nks... wifom to high heaven.

And sucj a bag of dicks. I am not self righteous. I'm jsut completely confused how the standard of play has dropped so much? I'm not any good at this game. At all. But I understand the basics. They're being fucked. You're fucking the basics.

Suckadick.

I really hope you're not judging a drop in the standard of play based on the fact that there wasn't a lynch. If anything, you should be judging it on the fact that no case was good enough to convince just over 50% of voters.

And I have always before, and always will, fuck the basics of a mafia game

There have been several recent games with no-lynches. The only time a no lynch is acceptable is after a weekend freeze with little time on the clock. I've seen it happen a few times, and it's best avoided, but sometimes it just happens. This could easily have been a lynch, but people chose to not let that happen.

It's day 1. Usually we don't even have a case. This was a fantastic day 1, other than the no lynch. The majority of players are doing well so far, as far as I can tell. Just a few people who can't recognize basic mafia strategy for town.

[Korbas]

Telas, on 06 June 2012 - 12:34 AM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 06 June 2012 - 12:28 AM, said:

your revereis are interrupted by teh sexy Morning Announcement on GreenPeace FM:

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Joker, darling, I propose we go on a date. My little honeybees have been whispering while they polinate my babies. I would just love the chance to tell you what they've told me!

Does this perhaps mean it was the Joker and Poison Ivy who both tried to recruit Karosis? Could be about something else though.

You know, I'm having flashbacks to the last Sengoku game, where faction leaders could form alliances....anyone else with me on this?

I'm thinking (if this means anything) it means that Poison Ivy was the one who tried to recruit Karosis, and is attempting to tell Joker. Maybe through alliance of some kind.

[Anomandaris]

What advantage would an alliance between CL's even pose for them? Only one can win, correct? Unless you mean an unoffical alliance so as not to target the same townfolk.

[Telas]

Anomandaris, on 06 June 2012 - 12:44 AM, said:

What advantage would an alliance between CL's even pose for them? Only one can win, correct? Unless you mean an unoffical alliance so as not to target the same townfolk.

If we think back to the last Sengoku game, it meant that they couldn't harm each other's recruits. Basically, it assures them of keeping their current recruits while leaving them free to gang up on another non-allied cult leader.

[Telas]

However, you could also backstab your allies by forming another alliance with a different faction.

[D'riss]

Karosis, on 06 June 2012 - 12:26 AM, said:

Good news everyone! Apparently two different factions tried to recruit me last night, and as a result both failed. So we know that at least two of the cults are still at size 1 .

Interesting.

Also means we have two CL's who think alike. Break out the meta!

[Telas]

But as I said, that's from the Sengoku game - how it works here (if it works at all) could be very different. But I'm just saying what it suddenly reminded me of.

[Spite]

I apologize in advance for the wall of quotes soon to come. I will try to eliminate as many as possible.

Atrahal, on 04 June 2012 - 02:43 PM, said:

A McFlurry of votes in the early stages! But gadzooks! No consensus, and parties divided against one another! Can the house stand? Are four walls enough? What about a door? Maybe it's ajar -- but who left it ajar? Tune in tomorrow, spandex-fans!

Atrahal's first post, which, IMO, vaguely reminds me of the style of the first Two-Face message, giving me a small gut feeling that Atrahal is not so innocent.

Atrahal, on 04 June 2012 - 05:53 PM, said:

Korbas, on 04 June 2012 - 05:49 PM, said:

The whole point is that the slip up couldn't come from anyone other than a recruiter or the batman.

What makes you so sure that it couldn't have come from town? You don't know what information recruiters or B-man have got, unless you are one of their number. This brings up a good point. Korbas would only be able to definitively say that Korvy couldn't have slipped unless he was a recruiter or batman himself Hence, drawing conclusions about fragmentary information is premature, IMO.

ATTENTION:SNIPPING HAS OCCURRED IN THIS QUOTE




I was going to try to analyze whether Atrahal wrote the ciphered Joker message or just deciphered it, but it's total WIFOM...

Atrahal, on 05 June 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

D, on 05 June 2012 - 02:24 AM, said:

Huh.It is not like "playing to be recruited" has not been done in the past.But, I don't like the attitude. At all. In fact, it is against my interests.As of now, you are where my vote is going, but I do wonder about bored town syndrome.

Why would playing to be recruited be against D'riss's interests?* Clearly, it would be against their interests if they were town and wished to win as town* Also, it would be against their interests if they were Batman, and wished town to maintain a divide and conquer front against the cults!Thus, for me this is the first real, even-close-to-substantial indication that anyone is Batman, and so:Vote D'riss

This does not seem substantial at all if you are looking only for batman. Not even close to substantial it you are looking for only batman. He says "In my interests" yes, but during day 1, all the cult leaders and batman are alone, and so saying "my interests" could also constitute a cult leader. That is substantial if you are looking to not lynch townies, but that's not what is said. If you completely ignored cult leaders as 1 man teams on day 1, you are either a townie who slipped or a cult leader.

Then he switches to vote for Emurlahn just because of the joker's post when we are still running out of time for the lynch, while he could have stayed on Eloth.

Atrahal, on 05 June 2012 - 08:17 PM, said:

Korbas, on 05 June 2012 - 08:15 PM, said:

You voted for D'riss... when Eloth was the only option to actually get a lynch. Fucko.

I'm not going to vote for someone just because everyone else is doing so. That way lies chaos and popularity contests.

We lynch for information yes. But the information is used to make connections. Those connections build up. When connections build up, they reveal... Thats right! More information! And that is a strategy casi siempre seen in Malazan Mafia (the game of information)

So yeah... There are my unorganized, most likely incoherent thoughts and reactions to the posts by Atrahal I wanted to respond/ post thoughts on.

I personally think he is a recruiter who always posts a lot. Or I'm wrong and he's a townie...

[Spite]

Telas, on 06 June 2012 - 12:49 AM, said:

But as I said, that's from the Sengoku game - how it works here (if it works at all) could be very different. But I'm just saying what it suddenly reminded me of.

I see how it could ring a bell. I think PI and Joker both tried to recruit Karo and PI is signalling to Joker that she knows who he is.

[Spite]

I guess my wall of quotes was more like a little shelf

[Thyrllan]

Hey I'm back, I'm SO sorry I missed the end of day, I've been horribly busy, but I should be able to get into the game properly soon. Not getting a lynch is gutting. No night deaths is good, I guess? Operating on the assumption the the batman is the only killer and that he's much more likely to hit town at this stage of the game.

I'll be catching up and commenting later, hopefully with less fail than yesterday.

[Ampelas]

Posting from my phone, will be on properly later, but wanted to tell you I switched my find to eloth last night after he wasn't lynched. Eloth is two-face.

[Omtose]

Ampelas, on 06 June 2012 - 01:36 AM, said:

Posting from my phone, will be on properly later, but wanted to tell you I switched my find to eloth last night after he wasn't lynched. Eloth is two-face.

I could believe this... you see... after doing several hours of combing through posts I came up with one stupid little thing....

[Korvalain]

Christ, sorry guys, my internet at home is down and I'm only able to post from work, which is not ideal. I'll be in and out all day, and hopefully work won't be too busy so I can contbute more than I did yesterday.

I like the case so far on Telas. I'll be going back to look at the wording of his posts in a bit more depth, but his calmness at the end of the day could certainly indicate CL. The majority of town was going mental trying to get a lynch. But CLs would be happy with a larger pool of townies, because it gives them a greater number to recruit from, as well as reducing the probability that their recruits could be poached.

I'm also wondering about the people advocating ignoring the broadcasts from the CLs. Town's biggest problem is that we are lacking in information that the other players, be they scum or independents, have. We need to be taking any opportunities to get more information, because that is how we make logical cases and lynch the right targets. Ignoring the broadcasts just gives the CLs an easy way to communicate with each other.

I've seen players with Atrahal's opinion on lynches before, and unfrtunately they tend to be town. Scum are unlikely to put their opinions like that so blatantly, because it runs against the grain of general town play, which is exactly what scum avoid. Telas, however, has avoided the general pissing match, and only stated after the lynch, when he was questioned on it, why he didn't vote for Eloth.

[Meanas]

Liosan, on 05 June 2012 - 03:45 PM, said:

After an extensive reread i can see why people would vote for him, especially on Day 1. So,

Vote Eloth

Meanas doesn't strike me as a Recruiter, if anything he's a new player, and Eloth appears to be the current favourite for a lynch, so i'll just tag along. 'tis Day 1 after all.

bout sums up Liosan. Tagging along. not really the most active player, but does vote. A candidate for BM in my opinion, however, I can't get a read on him with this few posts. Maybe a little extra encouragement

Vote Liosan

As for Omtose, I read through his posts, and basically don't think he's batman. he doesn't stick to any case in particular, even if there is a train, however, he does still make cases and argues, which make him a fairly visible player. and he has some of Korby's self-righteousness fever, another thing that in my mind is not consistent with a Predator. Asshole, yes, Predator... not very subtle

[D'riss]

Do we test?

I'd say I'm in favor, if it really was the Joker and PI who failed to get Karosis (which is possible, but that message could be read other ways), that'd take it down to 3 Cults with just 1 player. It'd also do 25% of Batman's work for him.

Edit: Sudden massive x-post.

This post has been edited by D'riss: 06 June 2012 - 01:42 AM

[Meanas]

Ampelas, on 06 June 2012 - 01:36 AM, said:

Posting from my phone, will be on properly later, but wanted to tell you I switched my find to eloth last night after he wasn't lynched. Eloth is two-face.

Wait, what?