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Also, i don't think Batman would be a low-poster because he'd know we'd think like that. If anything he's hiding in the top- or mid section.
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:26 PM
Ok I've caught up now. Seems to me that if Atrahal was a rl town to begin with that his vig of osseric means that he was recruited and thus given a weapon. Meanas basically told us that he got an ability upon being recruited (he also said that he targeted korb and he isnt dead, strange) so if we believe that then osseric probabyl got his vig when he was recruited as well.
I liked the idea that someone had earlier where BM can reflect vig attempts, that could explain why korb isnt dead and meanas is dead and no name was given as to who did it.
If when someone is killed by BM we arent told who did it, then that leaves Shelly and Meanas dead by batman, correct? Maybe he has tried other actions on the revealed CL's to no resultant kill and is just breaking through their (apparently) tough defenses.
I liked the idea that someone had earlier where BM can reflect vig attempts, that could explain why korb isnt dead and meanas is dead and no name was given as to who did it.
If when someone is killed by BM we arent told who did it, then that leaves Shelly and Meanas dead by batman, correct? Maybe he has tried other actions on the revealed CL's to no resultant kill and is just breaking through their (apparently) tough defenses.
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:30 PM
Morning. Apologize in advance for any posts that seem old while I catch up.
They match up to me. The first post just seems carefully worded. He says he has to be a part of the team with plurality with batman dead. That doesn't mean he can be recruited to a team. This lends credit to him being a hidden recruiter, imo.
Korvalain, on 07 June 2012 - 05:26 AM, said:
Osseric's posts don't seem to be lining up for me. Here he is stating that he is just like any other townie:
My VCs are the same as everyone. Be a part of the team with the most players when Batman is dead.
But here he is suggesting that he cannot be recruited:
Except if that were true he would be on the side of town. And yet in the post below he shows a remarkable lack of care for the potential townies that will be lynched off.
We will just have to risk spilling the blood of every non-recruit until Batman is dead, at least the first time. Those next couple times will be when it gets really tough.
These posts really do not ring true for me.
Osseric, on 07 June 2012 - 04:10 AM, said:
Telas, on 07 June 2012 - 03:54 AM, said:
On phone in cab to airport.
Osseric, if you are Hugo, do you have independent VCs?
Also, Emur cannot be the Bat. He is the reason Ment was forced to post the RI role PM.
Osseric, if you are Hugo, do you have independent VCs?
Also, Emur cannot be the Bat. He is the reason Ment was forced to post the RI role PM.
My VCs are the same as everyone. Be a part of the team with the most players when Batman is dead.
But here he is suggesting that he cannot be recruited:
Osseric, on 07 June 2012 - 04:05 AM, said:
Can I please ask for people to put their damn knives down, though. Various people wanted to see if I was Batman during the night. These knives are NOT helping. Kevlar can only withstand so much. A CL can easily try to recruit me to see if I am Batman. At least one did. I'm sure he would have outted be if I was the Bat.
Except if that were true he would be on the side of town. And yet in the post below he shows a remarkable lack of care for the potential townies that will be lynched off.
Osseric, on 07 June 2012 - 04:13 AM, said:
Telas, on 07 June 2012 - 04:11 AM, said:
If CLs cooperate, it will work up to a point. But no one is going to vouch for those who are still just townies. So time to put the thinking caps back on too.
We will just have to risk spilling the blood of every non-recruit until Batman is dead, at least the first time. Those next couple times will be when it gets really tough.
These posts really do not ring true for me.
They match up to me. The first post just seems carefully worded. He says he has to be a part of the team with plurality with batman dead. That doesn't mean he can be recruited to a team. This lends credit to him being a hidden recruiter, imo.
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:34 PM
Karosis, on 07 June 2012 - 10:04 AM, said:
Hmm, OK, so from this I think we can glean that Osseric is not the Batman. Let's take a look at some other people, shall we?
Behaviour I would have expected from the Batman thus far:
- Trying to direct the thread to lynch cult (might be willing to be subtle about it though).
- Would not have blocked the lynch train of Eloth on the first day.
- Probably in favour of trying to lynch Eloth yesterday (since he would have been looking to continue on with Osseric the following day).
Here are the lynch trains from the first two days:
Day 1: (Karosis, Emurlahn, Anomandaris, Galain, Rashan, Liosan, Omtose, Korbas, Ampelas, Fener, Telas)
Day 2: (Omtose, Tulas Shorn, Osseric, Karosis, Emurlahn, Anomandaris, Ampelas, Fener, Korbas, Anthras, Rashan)
One player who I remember fitting those characteristics is Fener. He apologetically limped onto the train on Day 1:
I'm sure Batman would prefer the lynch here if he could help it. And since the accepted course of action in these situations is to try and get the lynch, it is unlikely that Batman would hold out like Atrahal did, IMO. But both Fener and Telas limped on in the last minutes, which felt more suspicious to me.
He had a bit of a flip out when Eloth suggested they focus solely on Batman, which reads as pretty put on to me. There was little point in getting angry at Eloth at that stage, but he did it anyway.
No, it is not "best for all involved" to lynch Batman only. If town sits around with dicks in hand talking and speculating about who Batman is and then can't agree and DAY TIMES OUT WITHOUT A LYNCH AGAIN (GOD HELP ME), town will lose. It will only benefit the CLs, who can recruit from a clueless, meandering pool of townies. Do both town and CLs need to kill Batman? Yes. Does it make a difference WHEN he dies? It certainly does. I want Batman to die when town has plurality, not when you and the other CLs have divided down amongst yourselves.
So don't tell me what to worry about. Condescension doesn't become you, Two-Face.
this is a good point
No it isn't.
Care to clarify? Regardless of whether town and Batman have similar interests at some point, Batman is never looking to help town as a faction. You don't agree with this?
I tend to disagree with this sentiment. I feel like Batman is likely to follow his interests until the point where his actions might cause a different faction to win instead of him. And if they coincide with town, then Yay! The reason I was concerned about leaving Eloth around yesterday is that when everyone knows who the target of an NK is going to be, it has a habit of being defended against, particularly in a high TMDI game with a lot of roles. I think the Batman certainly would have tried to take out a cult leader last night if he could have done.
Why have I included it? The way the statement if phrased piqued my interest a bit - "Batman is never looking to help" sounds like someone forcing themselves to use the third person rather than talking about themselves. And of course, I'm not sure that it's healthy to think that the Batman won't be trying to fulfill his VCs (though I say this with the benefit of hindsight, which makes it clear that going after the CLs ourselves will be a fruitless task).
Here's his vote on Day 2:
Why can't he be telling the truth?
Then he's a recruit, who is roled. So it was a win/win lynch. To me atleast, it doesn't seem people share this.
I definitely agree that Eloth doesn't have much protection. But why would we lynch someone who batman is going to take out anyway? Waste of a lynch, imo.
We don't know what happens to a Cult once the CL is dead though. If Meanas is a townie that was recruited, there is a chance that he may end up going back to town if we manage to lynch/kill off his CL, so wouldn't it make sense to leave a townie alone?
I agree with this because we don't know exactly what happens to recruits when their leader dies. We have a find on Eloth, we have him owning the find, and we have him expanding his powers and abilities considerably as time goes on (good post whoever made that case). There is no way that the cult leaders have LPs. That would break the game and make it very difficult for town to do anything, as we currently have a 1/21 chance of lynching Batman and a 4/21 chance of lynching a CL. Those are not good odds for town if CLs can't be lynched. I think Eloth is lying to save his own skin and dammit, we should have lynched him last night for sure. Meanas says that he is roled but we don't know what kind of role he has, and depending on what we learn from Eloth's lynch, we can always lynch Meanas the next day if we really want to.
But I do not think it serves our purposes today to lynch a recruit who revealed when we have CLs out in the open that are going to cut town to shreds during recruitment tonight. There is WAY more information out there now than there was on Day 1. Many targets have been eliminated and so the CLs are going to be more tightly focused on who they choose. I say eliminating one of them is the best possible thing town can do right now.
As for the "Let the Batman do his work" argument, who's to say Batman will go after Eloth at all? Or if Eloth is even half telling the truth about how hard he is to kill, why should we assume that Batman will succeed in killing him? As town we should focus on not only maintaining plurality by not being recruited, but by killing Batman while we have plurality. We don't have a good consensus or enough info on the Bat to lynch him, so we lynch Eloth. Lynching a recruit makes no sense at all.
Vote Eloth
I don't really have much to say about this - I feel like his arguments are decent with the exception of the stuff about the Batman not looking to pursue Eloth. They run similar to what I was thinking at the time, anyway. But this is the sort of position I would expect that Batman to take.
The main thrust of this is that I didn't really like his limping on on Day 1. I've tried to find a few bits and pieces that I think indicate further cause for suspicion. Unfortunately I don't have time to elaborate further at the minute. But I will garnish this case with a vote.
Vote Fener
If you disagree with this case in particular, it would be good to know your thoughts about my musings about Batman's behaviour. I'm sure there are several other players that fit the same criteria, perhaps you could look into them as well? There were good reasons to be suspicious of Telas after Day 1 that have fallen by the wayside a bit, for example. As I mentioned above, he was in a similar position to Fener at the end of that first day. Might be worth an examination...
Must dash, will be back later with more.
Behaviour I would have expected from the Batman thus far:
- Trying to direct the thread to lynch cult (might be willing to be subtle about it though).
- Would not have blocked the lynch train of Eloth on the first day.
- Probably in favour of trying to lynch Eloth yesterday (since he would have been looking to continue on with Osseric the following day).
Here are the lynch trains from the first two days:
Day 1: (Karosis, Emurlahn, Anomandaris, Galain, Rashan, Liosan, Omtose, Korbas, Ampelas, Fener, Telas)
Day 2: (Omtose, Tulas Shorn, Osseric, Karosis, Emurlahn, Anomandaris, Ampelas, Fener, Korbas, Anthras, Rashan)
One player who I remember fitting those characteristics is Fener. He apologetically limped onto the train on Day 1:
Fener, on 05 June 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:
20 minutes left. I don't see this swinging around to anyone else, and honestly, not sure if that would be wise anyway. Even if the case on Ano or Amp is decent, and I myself prefer lynching Meanas over Eloth, we've fucked ourselves with time constraints.
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I'm sure Batman would prefer the lynch here if he could help it. And since the accepted course of action in these situations is to try and get the lynch, it is unlikely that Batman would hold out like Atrahal did, IMO. But both Fener and Telas limped on in the last minutes, which felt more suspicious to me.
He had a bit of a flip out when Eloth suggested they focus solely on Batman, which reads as pretty put on to me. There was little point in getting angry at Eloth at that stage, but he did it anyway.
Fener, on 06 June 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:
Eloth, on 06 June 2012 - 05:29 PM, said:
Batman is going to kill me anyway, you guys can't kill me unless aided by Batman or by the other CL. I already told you that. The fact is you don't believe me, but it is for me about 87% true and the 13% hesitation is only because I don't know what town roles Ment put in.
I don't want you fuckers to win. If I can't win, then I hope another Super Villain wins. I threw The Joker out for vengeance, but with him and me gone, we will make a nice speedbump as well as making the game very exciting to watch from SH. For PI or The Penguin to win, the Batman needs to die 4 times, and I think the best way to take him out, is lynching. Which means that I don't want lynches wasted on myself or Ampelas. Leave us to the Batman. Make him work for his victory while you work towards yours.
He can off two of the super villains who are outed now. That should give town more days to work with. Your own contribution to killing us is neglible and you're on a tight clock schedule to lynch BM 4 times while you have plurality.
As a result, it is for all involved best if you lynch Batman and focus on that. He will kill us. Don't worry about that.
I don't want you fuckers to win. If I can't win, then I hope another Super Villain wins. I threw The Joker out for vengeance, but with him and me gone, we will make a nice speedbump as well as making the game very exciting to watch from SH. For PI or The Penguin to win, the Batman needs to die 4 times, and I think the best way to take him out, is lynching. Which means that I don't want lynches wasted on myself or Ampelas. Leave us to the Batman. Make him work for his victory while you work towards yours.
He can off two of the super villains who are outed now. That should give town more days to work with. Your own contribution to killing us is neglible and you're on a tight clock schedule to lynch BM 4 times while you have plurality.
As a result, it is for all involved best if you lynch Batman and focus on that. He will kill us. Don't worry about that.
No, it is not "best for all involved" to lynch Batman only. If town sits around with dicks in hand talking and speculating about who Batman is and then can't agree and DAY TIMES OUT WITHOUT A LYNCH AGAIN (GOD HELP ME), town will lose. It will only benefit the CLs, who can recruit from a clueless, meandering pool of townies. Do both town and CLs need to kill Batman? Yes. Does it make a difference WHEN he dies? It certainly does. I want Batman to die when town has plurality, not when you and the other CLs have divided down amongst yourselves.
So don't tell me what to worry about. Condescension doesn't become you, Two-Face.
Fener, on 06 June 2012 - 05:46 PM, said:
Korbas, on 06 June 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:
Tulas Shorn, on 06 June 2012 - 05:32 PM, said:
Fener, on 06 June 2012 - 05:04 PM, said:
Oh yes, my last comment - as town, our only power is the lynch. Let's fucking use it. We cannot rely on BATMAN, who is NOT A TOWN MEMBER, to help us.
this is a good point
No it isn't.
Care to clarify? Regardless of whether town and Batman have similar interests at some point, Batman is never looking to help town as a faction. You don't agree with this?
I tend to disagree with this sentiment. I feel like Batman is likely to follow his interests until the point where his actions might cause a different faction to win instead of him. And if they coincide with town, then Yay! The reason I was concerned about leaving Eloth around yesterday is that when everyone knows who the target of an NK is going to be, it has a habit of being defended against, particularly in a high TMDI game with a lot of roles. I think the Batman certainly would have tried to take out a cult leader last night if he could have done.
Why have I included it? The way the statement if phrased piqued my interest a bit - "Batman is never looking to help" sounds like someone forcing themselves to use the third person rather than talking about themselves. And of course, I'm not sure that it's healthy to think that the Batman won't be trying to fulfill his VCs (though I say this with the benefit of hindsight, which makes it clear that going after the CLs ourselves will be a fruitless task).
Here's his vote on Day 2:
Fener, on 06 June 2012 - 05:01 PM, said:
Rashan, on 06 June 2012 - 04:51 PM, said:
Korbas, on 06 June 2012 - 04:47 PM, said:
Rashan, on 06 June 2012 - 04:40 PM, said:
Korbas, on 06 June 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:
My point was that Meanas is EITHER a recruit or a liar, which makes him a bad guy (and I guessed the bat).
Why can't he be telling the truth?
Then he's a recruit, who is roled. So it was a win/win lynch. To me atleast, it doesn't seem people share this.
I definitely agree that Eloth doesn't have much protection. But why would we lynch someone who batman is going to take out anyway? Waste of a lynch, imo.
We don't know what happens to a Cult once the CL is dead though. If Meanas is a townie that was recruited, there is a chance that he may end up going back to town if we manage to lynch/kill off his CL, so wouldn't it make sense to leave a townie alone?
I agree with this because we don't know exactly what happens to recruits when their leader dies. We have a find on Eloth, we have him owning the find, and we have him expanding his powers and abilities considerably as time goes on (good post whoever made that case). There is no way that the cult leaders have LPs. That would break the game and make it very difficult for town to do anything, as we currently have a 1/21 chance of lynching Batman and a 4/21 chance of lynching a CL. Those are not good odds for town if CLs can't be lynched. I think Eloth is lying to save his own skin and dammit, we should have lynched him last night for sure. Meanas says that he is roled but we don't know what kind of role he has, and depending on what we learn from Eloth's lynch, we can always lynch Meanas the next day if we really want to.
But I do not think it serves our purposes today to lynch a recruit who revealed when we have CLs out in the open that are going to cut town to shreds during recruitment tonight. There is WAY more information out there now than there was on Day 1. Many targets have been eliminated and so the CLs are going to be more tightly focused on who they choose. I say eliminating one of them is the best possible thing town can do right now.
As for the "Let the Batman do his work" argument, who's to say Batman will go after Eloth at all? Or if Eloth is even half telling the truth about how hard he is to kill, why should we assume that Batman will succeed in killing him? As town we should focus on not only maintaining plurality by not being recruited, but by killing Batman while we have plurality. We don't have a good consensus or enough info on the Bat to lynch him, so we lynch Eloth. Lynching a recruit makes no sense at all.
Vote Eloth
I don't really have much to say about this - I feel like his arguments are decent with the exception of the stuff about the Batman not looking to pursue Eloth. They run similar to what I was thinking at the time, anyway. But this is the sort of position I would expect that Batman to take.
The main thrust of this is that I didn't really like his limping on on Day 1. I've tried to find a few bits and pieces that I think indicate further cause for suspicion. Unfortunately I don't have time to elaborate further at the minute. But I will garnish this case with a vote.
Vote Fener
If you disagree with this case in particular, it would be good to know your thoughts about my musings about Batman's behaviour. I'm sure there are several other players that fit the same criteria, perhaps you could look into them as well? There were good reasons to be suspicious of Telas after Day 1 that have fallen by the wayside a bit, for example. As I mentioned above, he was in a similar position to Fener at the end of that first day. Might be worth an examination...
Must dash, will be back later with more.
Hmm, I don't see problems with this at first glance. I thought his position on the bat was weird at the time.
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:35 PM
Korbas, on 07 June 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:
*snippity*
They match up to me. The first post just seems carefully worded. He says he has to be a part of the team with plurality with batman dead. That doesn't mean he can be recruited to a team. This lends credit to him being a hidden recruiter, imo.
Do you not think that putting a hidden recruiter in this already complex game would make it neigh impossible for town to win? Up to 5 people being recruited per night (possibly ten one night if everyone had a one time double like eloth suggested). Just doesn't seem like something that would work out.
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:35 PM
Path-Shaper, on 07 June 2012 - 11:12 AM, said:
Suddenly voices are getting loud and a shot falls. You all run to look what happened.
Osseric(Brujah) was shot to death by Atrahal. He was a Thug and recruited by the Joker
It is Day 3. 21 hours and 50 minutes remaining
18 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Omtose, Rashan, Spite, Telas, Thyrlann
10 votes to lynch, 9 votes to go to night.
1 Vote for Fener ( Karosis )
Players not voted: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Omtose, Spite, Telas, Thyrlann
-Liz
Osseric(Brujah) was shot to death by Atrahal. He was a Thug and recruited by the Joker
It is Day 3. 21 hours and 50 minutes remaining
18 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Omtose, Rashan, Spite, Telas, Thyrlann
10 votes to lynch, 9 votes to go to night.
1 Vote for Fener ( Karosis )
Players not voted: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Omtose, Spite, Telas, Thyrlann
-Liz
Hey I have an idea, let's post misleading information for absolutely no reason, just to fuck up the town and my own faction.!
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:36 PM
Not that it matters i guess since he is dead and was just a recruit
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:37 PM
Guys I'm in and out again, hopefully have more time after the weekend but for now i'm getting limited posting times. I have just put in a Vig for Eloth. I'll explain when I'm next on. I got a choice of some powers after day one but I'm not recruited. I picked the Vig which I immediately put on Atrahal for not voting on day one but PS said I couldn't use it until after night 2. I'm gone now as I have no time.
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:38 PM
Atrahal, on 07 June 2012 - 11:34 AM, said:
If I were going after people who irritated me, Osseric would have been far from the top of the list 
Oooooh pick me, pick me.
That said, I like your reasoning. Seems sound to me.
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:40 PM
Korbas, on 07 June 2012 - 01:38 PM, said:
Atrahal, on 07 June 2012 - 11:34 AM, said:
If I were going after people who irritated me, Osseric would have been far from the top of the list
Oooooh pick me, pick me.
That said, I like your reasoning. Seems sound to me.
Maybe so it can reflect again and kill someone? Not saying I'm positive thats what happened, just speculating.
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:41 PM
no tim for a scene, quick post from wrk
Eloth has been shot by Emurlahn
Day 3, I think 17 of you still alive.
i'll check back in a few hours during lunch
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Eloth has been shot by Emurlahn
Day 3, I think 17 of you still alive.
i'll check back in a few hours during lunch
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Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:42 PM
Path-Shaper, on 07 June 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:
no tim for a scene, quick post from wrk
Eloth has been shot by Emurlahn
Day 3, I think 17 of you still alive.
i'll check back in a few hours during lunch
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Eloth has been shot by Emurlahn
Day 3, I think 17 of you still alive.
i'll check back in a few hours during lunch
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No CF on eloth?!?
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:43 PM
Rashan, on 07 June 2012 - 11:51 AM, said:
Well, catching up was much easier than usual, but still so much has happened in the little while I was gone!! So, we're down two town and two Joker recruits. Poor Joker, keeps losing his minions!! Anyway, given that Osseric was obviously not Batman, I will go back to my case on Liosan.
Day 1 vig happened within 20 minutes of one of Liosan's very few posts. This stood out to me because everyone else that was posting around that time was the usual suspects, then Liosan popped up with some inconsequential bullshit then disappeared again. To this point he hasn't really participated in any consequential posting, hasn't really added to anything, but has always been happy to jump on a lynch train, so for that reason
vote Liosan
Couple of things that I think we should discuss - are we assuming that the Osseric kill was a BM vig again, or maybe another CL? If Osseric was only a Thug without a name, how did he kill Tulas Shorn?
Anyway, I'm going to go nap for a few hours, then will be doing the grad thing with my sister, but I will try to get on and read up before doing the grad thing with my sister.
Day 1 vig happened within 20 minutes of one of Liosan's very few posts. This stood out to me because everyone else that was posting around that time was the usual suspects, then Liosan popped up with some inconsequential bullshit then disappeared again. To this point he hasn't really participated in any consequential posting, hasn't really added to anything, but has always been happy to jump on a lynch train, so for that reason
vote Liosan
Couple of things that I think we should discuss - are we assuming that the Osseric kill was a BM vig again, or maybe another CL? If Osseric was only a Thug without a name, how did he kill Tulas Shorn?
Anyway, I'm going to go nap for a few hours, then will be doing the grad thing with my sister, but I will try to get on and read up before doing the grad thing with my sister.
Osseric was a joker recruit, which lends credit to the idea that Joker's guys get some weapons. Which makes me think Atrahal is a Joker recruit as well...
As for your case.. it feels dirty. There's nothing I can argue, but it just feels wrong to do the time - based pseudo meta business.
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:44 PM
Anomandaris, on 07 June 2012 - 01:42 PM, said:
Path-Shaper, on 07 June 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:
no tim for a scene, quick post from wrk
Eloth has been shot by Emurlahn
Day 3, I think 17 of you still alive.
i'll check back in a few hours during lunch
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Eloth has been shot by Emurlahn
Day 3, I think 17 of you still alive.
i'll check back in a few hours during lunch
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No CF on eloth?!?
I never said he died.
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:44 PM
Path-Shaper, on 07 June 2012 - 01:44 PM, said:
Anomandaris, on 07 June 2012 - 01:42 PM, said:
Path-Shaper, on 07 June 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:
no tim for a scene, quick post from wrk
Eloth has been shot by Emurlahn
Day 3, I think 17 of you still alive.
i'll check back in a few hours during lunch
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Eloth has been shot by Emurlahn
Day 3, I think 17 of you still alive.
i'll check back in a few hours during lunch
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No CF on eloth?!?
I never said he died.
You sneaky bitch, you
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Korbas
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:44 PM
Atrahal, on 07 June 2012 - 12:23 PM, said:
Rashan, on 07 June 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:
Wow, and apparently I need to read closer, guess I'm more tired than I thought... I didn't notice that Atrahal was responsible for the Osseric death... So does that mean that Atrahal is one of the CLs' recruits? Would PS have told us if it was Batman? I assume that a BM vig would just not have the name of the person doing the vig, right? Hmmmm, so then the question still remains, how did Osseric (and now Atrahal, maybe) kill someone?
Like, forex, the very first hit on Sheltatha Lore (#491 on page 13). I've been assuming that was BM from the off.
My one-shot kill was acquired a the start of Day 2, and I knew that using it would reveal me to the masses. I judged it a reasonable risk to take, based on the arguments in my post above. I assume other RIs have acquired similar abilities.
Ah. So you're Joker's, then?
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:46 PM
Emurlahn going for the Eloth vig makes me think that maybe hes BM trying to off a CL, but then if he was would it have given us his name?
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:48 PM
Anomandaris, on 07 June 2012 - 01:26 PM, said:
Ok I've caught up now. Seems to me that if Atrahal was a rl town to begin with that his vig of osseric means that he was recruited and thus given a weapon. Meanas basically told us that he got an ability upon being recruited (he also said that he targeted korb and he isnt dead, strange) so if we believe that then osseric probabyl got his vig when he was recruited as well.
I liked the idea that someone had earlier where BM can reflect vig attempts, that could explain why korb isnt dead and meanas is dead and no name was given as to who did it.
If when someone is killed by BM we arent told who did it, then that leaves Shelly and Meanas dead by batman, correct? Maybe he has tried other actions on the revealed CL's to no resultant kill and is just breaking through their (apparently) tough defenses.
I liked the idea that someone had earlier where BM can reflect vig attempts, that could explain why korb isnt dead and meanas is dead and no name was given as to who did it.
If when someone is killed by BM we arent told who did it, then that leaves Shelly and Meanas dead by batman, correct? Maybe he has tried other actions on the revealed CL's to no resultant kill and is just breaking through their (apparently) tough defenses.
The idea is okay, but Shelly was day vigged day 1. So he couldn't have had a vig, unless he started with one. We've seen 2 vigs so far other than that, both from supposed recruits. I feel ment wouldn't give town a vig role, with all these other kills possible. I suppose I could be wrong, but that's how I feel.
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Posted 07 June 2012 - 01:49 PM
Anomandaris, on 07 June 2012 - 01:35 PM, said:
Korbas, on 07 June 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:
*snippity*
They match up to me. The first post just seems carefully worded. He says he has to be a part of the team with plurality with batman dead. That doesn't mean he can be recruited to a team. This lends credit to him being a hidden recruiter, imo.
They match up to me. The first post just seems carefully worded. He says he has to be a part of the team with plurality with batman dead. That doesn't mean he can be recruited to a team. This lends credit to him being a hidden recruiter, imo.
Do you not think that putting a hidden recruiter in this already complex game would make it neigh impossible for town to win? Up to 5 people being recruited per night (possibly ten one night if everyone had a one time double like eloth suggested). Just doesn't seem like something that would work out.
Yeah, in hindsight it doesn't make sense.
