[Atrahal]

My reasons were fairly simple.

1. If Osseric had been BM, killing him would either reveal useful info about his defences, or force him to jump to a successor
2. If Osseric were a CL, killing him would either reveal useful info about his defences, or kill him, rendering his recruits back to town
3. If Osseric were a cult recruit, killing him would prevent any useful action of his in defence of his CL. If the attempt hadn't succeeded, it might have revealed some info about the CLs' abilities wrt their recruits
4. If Osseric were town, it would have removed the focus on him as BM and allowed to start actually looking for plausible candidates rather than chasing after Joker's misinformation.

So, there you go.

[Telas]

Atrahal, on 07 June 2012 - 11:25 AM, said:

My reasons were fairly simple.

1. If Osseric had been BM, killing him would either reveal useful info about his defences, or force him to jump to a successor
2. If Osseric were a CL, killing him would either reveal useful info about his defences, or kill him, rendering his recruits back to town
3. If Osseric were a cult recruit, killing him would prevent any useful action of his in defence of his CL. If the attempt hadn't succeeded, it might have revealed some info about the CLs' abilities wrt their recruits
4. If Osseric were town, it would have removed the focus on him as BM and allowed to start actually looking for plausible candidates rather than chasing after Joker's misinformation.

So, there you go.

Dude, you can say it - he irritated you and you offed him. No worries, we understand

[Atrahal]

If I were going after people who irritated me, Osseric would have been far from the top of the list

[Omtose]

Telas, on 07 June 2012 - 11:17 AM, said:

Well well.

Atrahal, I don't know your reasons, but I'm going to thank you for doing that.

It looks like Osseric put up a complete load of shit on thread, and for what reason exactly? Brujah, I don't know what you were playing at, but talk about wasting everyone's time. When everyone else is trying to put their heads together to find Batman, you're there spreading a load of misinformation that would only hinder us from doing exactly that. Ridiculous.

And we can now see why the Joker named Osseric on day 1.

Um to try and stay alive for his team? He was trying to deflect off onto someone else when the focus went his way. I wish he had selected a better target than Tulas though, but at least we now know that one of our suspects wasn't batman. I'm just getting up so let me read this Fener case.

[Telas]

Omtose, on 07 June 2012 - 11:34 AM, said:

Telas, on 07 June 2012 - 11:17 AM, said:

Well well.

Atrahal, I don't know your reasons, but I'm going to thank you for doing that.

It looks like Osseric put up a complete load of shit on thread, and for what reason exactly? Brujah, I don't know what you were playing at, but talk about wasting everyone's time. When everyone else is trying to put their heads together to find Batman, you're there spreading a load of misinformation that would only hinder us from doing exactly that. Ridiculous.

And we can now see why the Joker named Osseric on day 1.

Um to try and stay alive for his team? He was trying to deflect off onto someone else when the focus went his way. I wish he had selected a better target than Tulas though, but at least we now know that one of our suspects wasn't batman. I'm just getting up so let me read this Fener case.

No, the very act of shooting Tulas Shorn meant he wasn't Batman - he didn't need to afterwards go and spread a load of crap all over the place. After Tulas' death, no one was interested in Osseric anymore.

I don't care if he wanted to invent a Hugo Strange persona for himself - but then don't use it to put up a whole pack of lies which does nothing except make it easier for Batman to hide.

[Telas]

Ok, if I labour under the completely unscientific assumption that Batman would be on both lynches thus far, then he would be one of:

Korbas
Ampelas
Rashan
Omtose
Fener
Anomandaris

Of those, I would say the bottom four are more likely to be Batman. Maybe.

[Telas]

I'm sure the cult leaders can together eliminate a whole load more names than I can. So, cult leaders, what are you going to do?

[Rashan]

Well, catching up was much easier than usual, but still so much has happened in the little while I was gone!! So, we're down two town and two Joker recruits. Poor Joker, keeps losing his minions!! Anyway, given that Osseric was obviously not Batman, I will go back to my case on Liosan.

Day 1 vig happened within 20 minutes of one of Liosan's very few posts. This stood out to me because everyone else that was posting around that time was the usual suspects, then Liosan popped up with some inconsequential bullshit then disappeared again. To this point he hasn't really participated in any consequential posting, hasn't really added to anything, but has always been happy to jump on a lynch train, so for that reason

vote Liosan

Couple of things that I think we should discuss - are we assuming that the Osseric kill was a BM vig again, or maybe another CL? If Osseric was only a Thug without a name, how did he kill Tulas Shorn?

Anyway, I'm going to go nap for a few hours, then will be doing the grad thing with my sister, but I will try to get on and read up before doing the grad thing with my sister.

[Rashan]

Rashan, on 07 June 2012 - 11:51 AM, said:

Well, catching up was much easier than usual, but still so much has happened in the little while I was gone!! So, we're down two town and two Joker recruits. Poor Joker, keeps losing his minions!! Anyway, given that Osseric was obviously not Batman, I will go back to my case on Liosan.

Day 1 vig happened within 20 minutes of one of Liosan's very few posts. This stood out to me because everyone else that was posting around that time was the usual suspects, then Liosan popped up with some inconsequential bullshit then disappeared again. To this point he hasn't really participated in any consequential posting, hasn't really added to anything, but has always been happy to jump on a lynch train, so for that reason

vote Liosan

Couple of things that I think we should discuss - are we assuming that the Osseric kill was a BM vig again, or maybe another CL? If Osseric was only a Thug without a name, how did he kill Tulas Shorn?

Anyway, I'm going to go nap for a few hours, then will be doing the grad thing with my sister, but I will try to get on and read up before doing the grad thing with my sister.

For some reason I thought he had jumped on the Eloth train on Day 2 as well... Anyway, regardless, he had a vote on Meanas, and that was not a good vote. I still think there's something there, and will leave my vote where it is unless someone gives me a good reason not to!

[Korvalain]

Damn, I just remembered half way through a beautiful post detailing why I thought Emur was Batman, before remembering that he is, at worst, a recruit And now I don't have time to look at Korbas...

I'm happy with Atrahal's vig. Osseric was annoying as all hell, and it was worth testing the information we were given, even if we didn't want to waste the time lynching him.

I'm wondering why we didn't get told who knocked off Sheltatha. All the other day vigs had in the CF who killed them, but Sheltatha didn't. Probably doesn't have much significance, but I thought it was worth pointing out.

Anyway, I am now heading home from work. See you all in the morning.

[Rashan]

Wow, and apparently I need to read closer, guess I'm more tired than I thought... I didn't notice that Atrahal was responsible for the Osseric death... So does that mean that Atrahal is one of the CLs' recruits? Would PS have told us if it was Batman? I assume that a BM vig would just not have the name of the person doing the vig, right? Hmmmm, so then the question still remains, how did Osseric (and now Atrahal, maybe) kill someone?

[Omtose]

OK, I've read up. Here are my thoughts. The only people that has killed anyone has been players with vigs or recruits. Nothing from Batman. Considering that all he has to do is stay alive till all the CLs are gone, and he has 4 lives to hop, I'm thinking he's lying low and trying not to make waves. He may not even be voting. Fener isn't great, but he's visible enough that I don't see him fitting this profile. Liosan isn't a bad choice. Let me look at the other low/contentless posters. D'riss, Anomandaris and Thyr come to mind.

[Atrahal]

Rashan, on 07 June 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

Wow, and apparently I need to read closer, guess I'm more tired than I thought... I didn't notice that Atrahal was responsible for the Osseric death... So does that mean that Atrahal is one of the CLs' recruits? Would PS have told us if it was Batman? I assume that a BM vig would just not have the name of the person doing the vig, right? Hmmmm, so then the question still remains, how did Osseric (and now Atrahal, maybe) kill someone?

Like, forex, the very first hit on Sheltatha Lore (#491 on page 13). I've been assuming that was BM from the off.
My one-shot kill was acquired a the start of Day 2, and I knew that using it would reveal me to the masses. I judged it a reasonable risk to take, based on the arguments in my post above. I assume other RIs have acquired similar abilities.

[Liosan]

Good morning all, i hopefully have some more time today. Rashan, the only real argument you have against me is the argument that i didn't do a lot of posting, and i think i've told this thread often enough WHY that is. I voted on Meanas because i wanted to get a lynch, and i haven't voted after that.

[Karosis]

Atrahal, on 07 June 2012 - 11:25 AM, said:

My reasons were fairly simple.

1. If Osseric had been BM, killing him would either reveal useful info about his defences, or force him to jump to a successor
2. If Osseric were a CL, killing him would either reveal useful info about his defences, or kill him, rendering his recruits back to town
3. If Osseric were a cult recruit, killing him would prevent any useful action of his in defence of his CL. If the attempt hadn't succeeded, it might have revealed some info about the CLs' abilities wrt their recruits
4. If Osseric were town, it would have removed the focus on him as BM and allowed to start actually looking for plausible candidates rather than chasing after Joker's misinformation.

So, there you go.

But did you not see his vig of TS? That basically proved that he wasn't the Batman! We needed to be looking at actual suspects, and he had basically cleared himself with what he did. And you of all people should have been especially cognisant of that, since you had exactly the same role.

As for the reasons you give, 1-3 are true of every single player in the game. They do not at all validate your decision. And as for reason 4, the focus was firmly off him already. Surely it would have been better to have targetted someone who actually could have been Batman? At least Osseric's vig took out a player we had no read on...yours? No such benefit.

The only saving grace is that we hit a recruit...but it wasn't even a recruit from the biggest Cult faction (and really, that's the key - since to get plurality we just have to be bigger than that one).

Ah well, what's done is done, and it shows that you are not the Batman, so that's something at least.

[Karosis]

Liosan, on 07 June 2012 - 12:25 PM, said:

Good morning all, i hopefully have some more time today. Rashan, the only real argument you have against me is the argument that i didn't do a lot of posting, and i think i've told this thread often enough WHY that is. I voted on Meanas because i wanted to get a lynch, and i haven't voted after that.

If you don't have big posting windows, it's your responsibility to provide enough content that we can understand your point of view in the limited time that you have. So far you haven't done this. So start talking.

- Who are your principle suspects for the Batman?
- Do you have any useful information/abilities that it would make sense to reveal to the thread?
- What is your view on how Town strategy as the game goes on?

[Liosan]

I have two useful powers, but i won't reveal them just yet, they're my last resorts, i am sure you can understand this. I will answer your other questions in a bit, as i am still reading back.

[Omtose]

OK Post Count:

Korbas 174
Eloth 155
Telas 125
Ampelas 85
Atrahal 81
Rashan 76
Galain 71
Omtose 70
Karosis 57
Fener 53
D'riss 51
Emurlahn 49
Spite 39
Anomandaris 33
Thyrllan 28
Korvalain 24
Anthras 20
Liosan 10

It always amazes me how many posts the high posters are able to get in. Korbas is mainly all of his arguments with various players, and Eloth in his scrambling defense. I am betting that Batman and at least a couple of the CLs are hiding in the lowest of the posters, since all they need to do is stay alive. That's where I'll be looking.

[Eloth]

Well guys, going from one meeting to another, gone for about 6 hours. I'll be my usual helpful self again after that.

[Liosan]

Heh, usually I"M the first poster. Ah well.