[Galain]

Anomandaris, on 30 April 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

Mockra, on 30 April 2012 - 12:35 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 30 April 2012 - 12:26 PM, said:

Why do I get the feeling that once again we're going to lynch the only person willing to stick their neck out? I really don't know about Serc, but I would much rather lynch a non-participant at this early stage in the game than an entertainer like him.

Hey, Serc amuses me too - but I don't think that's really an excuse to let him go on. At least with a Serc lynch we'd be going off something - this Ampelas thing is literally going off nothing.

There are ancillary benefits to lynching Ampelas. The threat of lynching low posters will encourage other low posters to play more - look at Kalse popping up with some posts once the low post vote trains get kick started, for example. We're trading less information immediately for more information in the long run as the low posters are forced to contribute more.

You do make a lot of sense. Yet as Ampelas is an unknown and Korbas looks to be a Zombie i'd prefer to give Ampelas one more day and see Korbas' CF

[Galain]

No one notice how Tulas has been trying to duck back under the radar?

[Galain]

Unless there is a better case thrown forward i'm liking Korbas the most out of what's available.

[Eloth]

nightmare of a day, place got robbed over the weekend

extremely busy, I'm going to try to catch up in pieces as the day goes on

[Korvalain]

Back for a bit and doing a reread. This post caught my eye:

Emurlahn, on 26 April 2012 - 06:33 PM, said:

Wow this game looks to be some shit!! I can't wait to get my teeth into it, not much to sift through yet, i'm feeling horny but I don't see any dragon shecks anywhere. It's day one, why's no one pulled out the fricking beads and mat? I mean I know it can get messy but come on

I can't think of any kinky sex acts that would require beads and a mat, so I'm thinking this is signalling of some sort? Or is he insinuating he's a priest?

Anyways, I'm still reading, got several pages to go.

[Tennes]

Ugh... you guys actually played over the weekend? Booooooo

[Anomandaris]

Galain, on 30 April 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 30 April 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

Mockra, on 30 April 2012 - 12:35 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 30 April 2012 - 12:26 PM, said:

Why do I get the feeling that once again we're going to lynch the only person willing to stick their neck out? I really don't know about Serc, but I would much rather lynch a non-participant at this early stage in the game than an entertainer like him.

Hey, Serc amuses me too - but I don't think that's really an excuse to let him go on. At least with a Serc lynch we'd be going off something - this Ampelas thing is literally going off nothing.

There are ancillary benefits to lynching Ampelas. The threat of lynching low posters will encourage other low posters to play more - look at Kalse popping up with some posts once the low post vote trains get kick started, for example. We're trading less information immediately for more information in the long run as the low posters are forced to contribute more.

You do make a lot of sense. Yet as Ampelas is an unknown and Korbas looks to be a Zombie i'd prefer to give Ampelas one more day and see Korbas' CF

I'm not arguing against the Korbas case - I'm the one that brought it up, remember ? Just saying that I don't like the argument that lynching a low poster is worse because of the lack of connections you can draw from it.

I'm of the opinion that if there's a solid case, it's better than lynching a low poster, but if your argument is "The guy's being annoying, and he talks a lot so he's worth lynching for the connections", then it probably isn't. That's how I see the case on Serc at the moment - I've yet to be convinced that his posturing is actually indicative of him having a dangerous role.

Personally I put Korbas as my most likely suspect, but I'm willing to consider Ampelas as an alternative if people disagree (although it seems like I've got a few people agreeing with me at this point).

[Korvalain]

Serc, on 27 April 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:

Kaschan, on 27 April 2012 - 06:23 AM, said:

Serc, on 27 April 2012 - 06:20 AM, said:

Im guessing Ill be the first meal?

Look Mom, more WIFOM! This way if you don't die at night, you can say it is because you called me out. And if you do die at night, any team you might have can then claim I'm a zombie because you died. But what if you are recruited? Then we will never know!

Your confusing of the thread with bullshit and WIFOM is boring and poor play.

Of course this is all assuming you are not a Zombie.

The way Kaschan felt the need to finally add "assuming you are not a Zombie" after all his tirades against my thoughts felt forced. Didnt seem like he believed it one bit. In fact its as if he KNOWS in his mind I'm no Zombie because he would know. MAYBE.

But even if not, Kaschan is playing a very powerful role here. My guess is he's some type of Zombie leader the way he descibed the zombie threat. I fished for quite awhile, and he was the only one who stepped up.

Then again he could be one of the leaders of the three human factions for all I know, but more likely an independant.

My point is I think he's definately a major player, and I vote to take him out. I cant figure out Tulas, Sorrit, and crews game yet, but Kachan seems a bit too sure of himself.

Worse case scenario is he is the leader of a human faction. If we lynch him tonight its only a one in three chance he's your leader if your human, and Id take that chance because he's more than likely Zombie or Independant.

Either way I cant see a better option for day one.

remove vote

vote Kaschan

Because the night is Dark and Full of Terrors

If I were going to take any of Twelve's hunches seriously it might be this one, but so far I'm not seeing anything solid on Kaschan.

Edit: OOPS that wasn't Twelve!... two many S names... then I take back that comment.

This post has been edited by Korvalain: 30 April 2012 - 03:15 PM

[Anthras]

Hey peoples, sorry Iwasn't on the entire weeknd, been quite busy.

i'm going through the entire thread, just finished Day 1. Honestly, I can't believe we didn't lynch Serc. My insides are screaming there was some serious derailment onto Sorrit there, since at one point both hem and Serc were sitting oon around 5 votes each.

anyhow, gonna catch up with what's been happening since the night scene

[Korvalain]

Ruse, on 27 April 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

So we have Kaschan's initial case and vote on Serc

Kaschan, on 27 April 2012 - 04:29 AM, said:

Serc, on 27 April 2012 - 03:39 AM, said:

Korbas, on 27 April 2012 - 03:03 AM, said:

@Serc- it is still unclear, though there were several mechanic related theories on thread earlier. Though I am of the opinion that one player controls a zombie block, with potential SH helpers to post in the several alts, but ultimately the player will choose the NA, not the mod. So if each Zom-boss (go with it, it's fun and easy!) controls 4 zombies, they would be able to overwhelm anyone with a DR of 3 now, and recruit anyone less than DR of 2 (ie. any independent or 4/6ths of the human factions). For the people saying they do not see the undead threat, it is there. This game is going to be a blood-bath...

I think you're onto something. These mechanics you're suggesting would help fill some holes in our theories and would enable the attacks to work in a defined way. But there's not enough zombies, seemingly, to do enough damage as is, so there must be some kind of system for them growing in numbers. I mean if we all chose not to Lynch anyone ever would that mean we need not fear zombies? But then no one would ever win.They're gonna get some of US somehow but I'm hoping we do have some chance in these attacks. Although I'm guessing the first couple attacks might be unavoidable.I suggest we keep the right people alive at least at first.

And who, pray tell, are the right people? Also, the zombies are most likely able to recruit right away, especially if they are hitting one of the lower DR roles. How would zombie attacks be 'unavoidable'? Why do you think there isn't enough Zombies to do 'damage'? Why are you trying to downplay the Zombies (which are cults)?

Kaschan, on 27 April 2012 - 04:30 AM, said:

Because I forgot to add it to the post above. Vote Serc

Then we have the retaliation vote from Serc

Serc, on 27 April 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:

Kaschan, on 27 April 2012 - 06:23 AM, said:

Serc, on 27 April 2012 - 06:20 AM, said:

Im guessing Ill be the first meal?

Look Mom, more WIFOM! This way if you don't die at night, you can say it is because you called me out. And if you do die at night, any team you might have can then claim I'm a zombie because you died. But what if you are recruited? Then we will never know!Your confusing of the thread with bullshit and WIFOM is boring and poor play.Of course this is all assuming you are not a Zombie.

The way Kaschan felt the need to finally add "assuming you are not a Zombie" after all his tirades against my thoughts felt forced. Didnt seem like he believed it one bit. In fact its as if he KNOWS in his mind I'm no Zombie because he would know. MAYBE.But even if not, Kaschan is playing a very powerful role here. My guess is he's some type of Zombie leader the way he descibed the zombie threat. I fished for quite awhile, and he was the only one who stepped up. Then again he could be one of the leaders of the three human factions for all I know, but more likely an independant. My point is I think he's definately a major player, and I vote to take him out. I cant figure out Tulas, Sorrit, and crews game yet, but Kachan seems a bit too sure of himself.Worse case scenario is he is the leader of a human faction. If we lynch him tonight its only a one in three chance he's your leader if your human, and Id take that chance because he's more than likely Zombie or Independant.Either way I cant see a better option for day one.remove votevote KaschanBecause the night is Dark and Full of Terrors

Followed fairly soon after by a vote from Thyr that's does seem to be engaging in what's happening, there's not much in the way of opinion or anything

Thyrllan, on 27 April 2012 - 09:46 AM, said:

[HEAVENLY MUSIC PLAYS - AAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!]Thyrllan, on a mission to make his alt the new Fener. Also, game-wise, I don't like Serc, but I like his style.Vote Kaschan

And then a hit and run by D'riss

D, on 27 April 2012 - 11:01 AM, said:

Vote KaschanI think I am up to date as can be. He does seem to be confused about what's going on in the OP and a bit jumpy towards people who point a finger his way. My brain hurts I will be around later hopefully to have more of a read through the thread

And voila! We have a train that's almost the size of the two leading trains. It's odd. I'm going to admit I could be missing posts from Thyr and D'riss, because I'm mostly tracking votes and I'm incredibly tired, but does anyone else think this looks odd? At first I thought he could be a faction leader with somewhat clumsy followers, but there's always the chance of zombies as well. Although I'm not sure that anyone would want to risk being connected together this way so early in the game.

This is a good point, I could see Serc as some kind of leader. When I saw this post yesterday, I thought he might be trying to detract away from Sorrit, now I'm thinking that D'riss and Thyrrlan may be on his team. I may be wrong, but I think Thyrrlan has agreed with him a couple of times. I'm going to go out on a limb and say my guess is they aren't zombies. While I don't have a read on D'riss, I feel like Thyrrlan and Serc's post styles are too different to be the same person.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 32 hours and 57 minutes remaining

30 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

16 votes to lynch, 15 votes to go to night.

4 Votes for Ampelas ( Emurlahn, Rashan, Serc, Thyrllan )
2 Votes for Fener ( Olar Ethil, Meanas )
1 Vote for Kalse ( Shelthata Lore )
2 Votes for Korbas ( Anomandaris, D'riss )
4 Votes for Serc ( Liosan, Mockra, Kaschan, Karosis )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Anthras, Atrahal, Eloth, Fener, Galain, Kalse, Korbas, Korvalain, Omtose, Osseric, Ruse, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tennes, Tulas Shorn

[Anthras]

Serc, on 29 April 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:

Tellan, on 29 April 2012 - 12:49 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 28 April 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:

I'll be around more after the weekend so for now I want to see if some people want to actually play the game, namely Ampelas and Kalse. If one player is playing with multiple alts then Ampelas and Kalse MUST be looked at. I agree we could use mafia reasons to ferret out the zombies, like what Ano has just said about Korbas, and Olar about Galain BUT we shouldn't let a person with one post after 40 odd hours of game play stay alive and become prominent later on using RL issues.

Vote Ampelas

I was just reading through the meagre offerings so far this weekend and, whilst I agree with the sentiment of pushing low posters out of their hole, your wording struck me as very funny. "We could use deductive reasoning, but nah, fuck that, let's just vote the low posters."


Also, I don't know how much I buy Fener's explanations. Struck me as someone getting slightly desperate to extricate themselves from a self-made mess. Even so, I'm leaning towards Fener being in one of the factions.

Sorrit said in an earlier post(I'll find it later) that he knew another person in his faction. Remember he mentioned blackmail ,.etc.
And he was telling the truth. As he turned out to be the Dog from BurnBridgers, I'm pretty sure he knew at least one other person and that would have to be his master, Faction Leader of the BurnBRIDGERS.
So this person would possibly also know who played his dog, but not definate. So whoever defended Sorrit the hardest might have been faction leader of the BBs.

That would be Galain, I presume.

[Anthras]

Spite, on 30 April 2012 - 03:24 AM, said:

Osseric, on 30 April 2012 - 02:55 AM, said:

Serc, on 30 April 2012 - 02:11 AM, said:

Osseric, on 30 April 2012 - 01:58 AM, said:

In a game like this putting pressure on low posters is crucial and I think there is merit in the idea that a low post count and posts with votes that don't seem to have any back up, or seem to be following other alts are possible hiding places for zombie alts and I agree that going after a weakened human faction as things stand seems too dangerous since we have not seen any zombie deaths.


Serc you make a strange point about the killers seeming to target humans, are you assuming the killers know that it is humans that they are targeting? It is always a risk to have killers alive in the game but the zombies are the most dangerous faction and I don't know why the killers would target people they thought were humans at this point, other faction or not, when the most important thing is to put the zombies at a disadvantage and make it harder for them to be able to recruit. In saying that having a weakened faction with another possible member already exposed is dangerous where that is concerned too, especially with the healer gone. Though we don't know for sure Galain is in that faction and to put too much faith in him being an inno at this point is foolish as well.



Edit - formatting, paragraphs weren't showing up.

No, that's what I'm wondering. And that's what I was asking. It seemed to me that the human killers were choosing humans and possibly knowing they were not of their own faction. But I'm asking if that's what everyone else thinks. And like I said I know its not a major issue. Just curious as to what others say.

I see. Well I get what you are driving at but if they somehow knew that seems to suggest they're a bit overpowered, since they're paired as it is. It's possible I suppose but not something i'd really thought on, I more assumed they'd just been shit at picking targets.

My bet is they know their team and that's all. It sucks the dog's gone, from his description I'm thinking he was a zombie finder(sense of smell thing).

I thought human teams are supposed to be identical. that'd mean we have 2 more finders, no?

[Anthras]

Serc, on 30 April 2012 - 07:46 AM, said:

Speaking of "unknowable" knowledge: I believe that Kaschan's DR last night was 0.

did you de-buff it?

[Anthras]

Serc, on 30 April 2012 - 10:37 AM, said:

Meanas, on 30 April 2012 - 10:18 AM, said:

Fener, on 28 April 2012 - 01:04 AM, said:

*Lightbulb goes off above my head*

I know it now!

I think Serc is the priest. He said "Repent your sins" and he was accused of being independent. Sins (and the thing that preaches against them (religion)) have to do with priests (priests are not sinful etc etc) and the priest is independent, as was stated in the OP.

What were your motivations behind this post Fener? Are you saying we should lynch Serc? Protect him? Point him out for target practice?

Lynch good Serc!?

Appalled good Serc is!

Nothing but stick his neck out on the chopping block, hoping to help the glorious Mafia 87 group by trying to ascertain hidden affiliations of certain nefarious individuals he has!

Note no misdeed nor any intentions of malintent has noble Serc displayed, produced, organized, hydrogenized, theorized, nor discombobulated for the good patrons of magnanimous thread!

Stick with noble Serc. He shall not guide you into the shadows of doubt, but deliver thee to a sunny, grassy plain where even the very plants become your best of friends.

oh, noes, now he thinks he's Kruppe!

note: RPing Kruppe is one of the surest ways to hang in Malaz mafia

[Tennes]

I have no problem believing that there is a de-buffing role - but I don't think it would also be the team leader so the idea that Serc can de-buff and the idea that he is a leader are, IMO, conflicting. Personally I'm not convinced at all there's any reason to think he is a leader.

I don't see much merit in lynching Serc just because his play is a bit grating. He's putting his neck out quite a bit, which I don't think would be likely if he were an independent, unless he were some sort of multi-alt survivor. That leaves human or zombie, and as we've seen from Sorrit random human players are perfectly capable of being major thread personalities, as well as annoying. There's no reason for me to believe Serc is more likely one role or another between the human factions and zombies. That leaves very little reason to lynch him, and therefore very little information is gained from it.

Korbas, on the other hand, looks significantly more like one thing - a zombie - than anything else. Whether he CFs as that or not, his lynch would provide decipherable information. Furthermore, if he actually turns out to be a zombie, that's great!

So for now I'll add my weight to it and

Vote Korbas

[Anthras]

Kaschan, on 30 April 2012 - 11:49 AM, said:

Interesting. Serc is claiming that he was the person attacked by killers at night, AND that he claims knows my DR. And he has been claiming that he is the Independent Priest all game long.

Does anyone honestly think the Priest, who is listed as 'fighting against zombies' would have this knowledge? I certainly don't. I don't think the zombies would either. Or any of the Independents. Which puts Serc on a team. Leader? Killer? DR Manipulator? I don't know, but the way he has been spamming the thread and throwing up complete and utter bullshit all game long makes me want to vote for him. So I will.

Vote Serc

so, you don't think he's a zombie, but you'd prefer to lynch him off? interesting.

[Anthras]

Ok, caught up. I'll chime in towards the consensus that lynching Serc may not be the best idea today.

I'm getting funny feelings about Kaschan atm. will need to look into it more, but right now I gotta step out for a few hours.

[Osseric]

I'm still not as convinced where Serc is concerned, his play is erratic, he tends to semi-reveal, hint at knowing things that others don't without backing anything up and back it all up with making it sound like he is a role that we don't want to lose. The fishing was not very under the radar and awkwardly done and he seems to just jump on people that reply to him with differing opinions. That said, he does say a lot and is generating discussion and activity on thread. For the moment, I can't decide if he is a big threat, deflecting attention from someone we should want dead or just someone making a lot of noise.

Tennes, though, just because he is playing similar to Sorrit does not make it more likely that he is similarly roled and I think many people voting him are not doing so because he is annoying but because they see his behaviour as scummy.

Liosan's point seems strange to me, that we should now be going after other human factions instead of zombies, I think to do such a thing would be dangerous. The longer the zombie numbers are at full strength the more chance they have of successfully recruiting and directing the lynches.

I am going to look over the Korbas case again.

[Tennes]

Osseric, on 30 April 2012 - 05:20 PM, said:

Tennes, though, just because he is playing similar to Sorrit does not make it more likely that he is similarly roled and I think many people voting him are not doing so because he is annoying but because they see his behaviour as scummy.

I didn't say that (or didn't mean to say) that Serc was necessarily at all like Sorrit. I was just using Sorrit as a rebuttal to any idea that Serc must be some special role because of his playstyle. Since Sorrit was not, you can't say Serc for sure is. Doesn't mean that Serc is definitely not, too, just that all options are possible.