[Omtose]

Eloth, on 30 April 2012 - 02:33 PM, said:

nightmare of a day, place got robbed over the weekend

extremely busy, I'm going to try to catch up in pieces as the day goes on

Wow, is everything alright? I mean, relatively speaking? Do you mean your work or your house got robbed?

[Osseric]

Sheltatha Lore, on 30 April 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

Tennes, on 30 April 2012 - 07:30 PM, said:

Emur shows up, two or three posts about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

Osseric shows up, chimes in a post against Lio, disappears.

Korvalain shows up, a post or two about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

...huh?

Osseric actually has a bit of content the last couple of pages. But I don't think that any of them are actually voting for anyone.

I am sorry for the need to bathe and get ready for work in the morning but it seems a bit ludicrous to suggest I am multi-alted because I found Lio's post objectionable, as did others. There was maybe something about it to object to.

Also, I didn't vote while I was still finishing up going over the thread and giving my thoughts, I will vote before I go to bed most likely. Ampelas cropped up for a moment there and said he wouldn't be around for a while, considering he was leading the votes I was hoping that he might say more.

[Tulas Shorn]

to add my two cents, i'm if the opinion that Serc is a non-important role trying to look important. not necessarily a zombie, just a low powered human. with that in mind, i'm tempted to pretty much ignore all his unsubstantiated claims, and decide further if he can actually back anything up.

Galain, I would love to know what you are on about. if you have ideas about me please share them.

I can kind if see the wonky logic behind Liosan's idea, the human factions will reach their vcs quicker by targeting each other, but I still think the bigger threat to humans at the moment is the zombie horde. so with that,

vote Ampelas

I'll be around on and off through the day to change my vote if we get something new or Ampelas looks likely to be mid killed.

This post has been edited by Tulas Shorn: 30 April 2012 - 10:08 PM

[Fener]

I'm back, ready to discuss after a read up

[Fener]

Meanas, on 30 April 2012 - 11:44 AM, said:

Fener, on 30 April 2012 - 11:32 AM, said:

Meanas, on 30 April 2012 - 10:47 AM, said:

SNIP

If you read the last few pages its quite obvious why I said that.

No actually Fener it isn't, please elaborate for me..

I'll quote the post for you if its that important to you. Just give me a moment.

[Omtose]

Tulas Shorn, on 30 April 2012 - 09:54 PM, said:

to add my two cents, i'm if the opinion that Serc is a non-important role trying to look important. not necessarily a zombie, just a low powered human. with that in mind, i'm tempted to pretty much ignore all his unsubstantiated claims, and decide further if he can actually back anything up.

Galain, I would love to know what you are on about. if you have ideas about me please share them.

I can kind if see the wonky logic behind Liosan's idea, the human factions will reach their vcs quicker by targeting each other, but I still think the bigger threat to humans at the moment is the zombie horde. so with that,

[b] vote Ampelas [b/]

I'll be around on and off through the day to change my vote if we get something new or Ampelas looks likely to be mid killed.

Ampelas has posted - once - recently, so he won't be mod killed today. And you need to bold your vote (put the slash on the other side of the b ) if you want it to count.

Myself, I'm torn. I'm not liking the look of Serc because of his "could be, might not be, hey look at me!" just distracts, if nothing else. It's not helping at the moment, and say Serc is lynched now and then he turns out to have just been a regular faction member, what a waste all that attention would have been when we could have been looking more closely at others.

This post has been edited by Omtose: 30 April 2012 - 10:04 PM

[Fener]

Fener, on 28 April 2012 - 11:50 AM, said:

Tellan, on 28 April 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:

I can't believe that Fener would be dumb enough to just come out and say, "hey lookie, I think I found the priest!" if he is in a faction. I think there were one of two possible motivations there:

1) He wants Serc dead through zombie NA.

2) He wants to keep Serc from being lynched. Aside from Sorrit, I think Serc had gathered the most votes yesterday, so would have been a likely lynch candidate today, and Fener wanted to stave that off.

If I wanted Serc dead I could have just pushed to lynch him and with that train seeming like a real possibility it would not be hard to do. Had I wanted him targeted by a zombie NA I wouldn't have announced who he was that obviously on thread because that would likely prompt a DR raise from a DR manipulator hoping for a Blessing.
So yeah, I believe it is in everyone but the zombies' interest to keep a priest alive, and, therefore serc should stay alive for now.
That said, we can't be sure he isnt just trying to appear like a priest so as to not die.

This is my response to all of the questions as asked by many people.

[Tulas Shorn]

Omtose, on 30 April 2012 - 10:04 PM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 30 April 2012 - 09:54 PM, said:

to add my two cents, i'm if the opinion that Serc is a non-important role trying to look important. not necessarily a zombie, just a low powered human. with that in mind, i'm tempted to pretty much ignore all his unsubstantiated claims, and decide further if he can actually back anything up.

Galain, I would love to know what you are on about. if you have ideas about me please share them.

I can kind if see the wonky logic behind Liosan's idea, the human factions will reach their vcs quicker by targeting each other, but I still think the bigger threat to humans at the moment is the zombie horde. so with that,

[b] vote Ampelas [b/]

I'll be around on and off through the day to change my vote if we get something new or Ampelas looks likely to be mid killed.

Ampelas has posted - once - recently, so he won't be mod killed today. And you need to bold your vote (put the slash on the other side of the b ) if you want it to count.

Myself, I'm torn. I'm not liking the look of Serc because of his "could be, might not be, hey look at me!" just distracts, if nothing else. It's not helping at the moment, and say Serc is lynched now and then he turns out to have just been a regular faction member, what a waste all that attention would have been when we could have been looking more closely at others.

ugh, posting from a phone is so slow. Ampelas hadn't posted when I started writing that.

in terms of Serc, we are going to have to decide pretty quickly. he is still a viable lynch option if we don't like his play, and if he continues as he is then he is going to continue being a distraction. I am more than happy to ignore her because I do think he is less important than he pretends to be, but if he will continue to be a distraction then maybe we need to lynch him off early.

[Atrahal]

Alright...I'm willing to vote for Ampelas on the off-chance that he is a zombie.

I was originally leaning towatds voting Serc, but despite his ridiculously erratic behavior, I am hesitating based on the fact that he opposes Liosan, whose views I definitely do not agree with. However, knowing Serc, it is entirely possible that he only opposed Lio to make himself seem better. So, IGMEOU, Serc, Lio.

Quote

Emur shows up, two or three posts about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

Osseric shows up, chimes in a post against Lio, disappears.

Korvalain shows up, a post or two about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

...huh?

I thought this quote was interesting and illuminating. I'm going to watch these closely also, see if they do it again. And gott-dammit, too many people to watch!

Ach. Let's get this show on the road.
Vote Ampelas

[Mockra]

Atrahal, on 30 April 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

Alright...I'm willing to vote for Ampelas on the off-chance that he is a zombie.

I was originally leaning towatds voting Serc, but despite his ridiculously erratic behavior, I am hesitating based on the fact that he opposes Liosan, whose views I definitely do not agree with. However, knowing Serc, it is entirely possible that he only opposed Lio to make himself seem better. So, IGMEOU, Serc, Lio.

Quote

Emur shows up, two or three posts about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

Osseric shows up, chimes in a post against Lio, disappears.

Korvalain shows up, a post or two about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

...huh?

I thought this quote was interesting and illuminating. I'm going to watch these closely also, see if they do it again. And gott-dammit, too many people to watch!

Ach. Let's get this show on the road.
Vote Ampelas

As, I think, Rashan noted, Liosan and Serc effectively switched arguments. Or rather, Serc (gently) expressed a desire to lynch Galain, then Liosan came on and far more bluntly said we might want to focus on non-zombie targets, and Serc, rather hypocritically, jumped all over it.

[Atrahal]

Mockra, on 30 April 2012 - 10:27 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 30 April 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

Alright...I'm willing to vote for Ampelas on the off-chance that he is a zombie.

I was originally leaning towatds voting Serc, but despite his ridiculously erratic behavior, I am hesitating based on the fact that he opposes Liosan, whose views I definitely do not agree with. However, knowing Serc, it is entirely possible that he only opposed Lio to make himself seem better. So, IGMEOU, Serc, Lio.

Quote

Emur shows up, two or three posts about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

Osseric shows up, chimes in a post against Lio, disappears.

Korvalain shows up, a post or two about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

...huh?

I thought this quote was interesting and illuminating. I'm going to watch these closely also, see if they do it again. And gott-dammit, too many people to watch!

Ach. Let's get this show on the road.
Vote Ampelas

As, I think, Rashan noted, Liosan and Serc effectively switched arguments. Or rather, Serc (gently) expressed a desire to lynch Galain, then Liosan came on and far more bluntly said we might want to focus on non-zombie targets, and Serc, rather hypocritically, jumped all over it.

Yep. I don't like either of them. And btw, Fener, you really should explain yourself better in the future.

[Tulas Shorn]

Atrahal, on 30 April 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

Alright...I'm willing to vote for Ampelas on the off-chance that he is a zombie.

I was originally leaning towatds voting Serc, but despite his ridiculously erratic behavior, I am hesitating based on the fact that he opposes Liosan, whose views I definitely do not agree with. However, knowing Serc, it is entirely possible that he only opposed Lio to make himself seem better. So, IGMEOU, Serc, Lio.

Quote

Emur shows up, two or three posts about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

Osseric shows up, chimes in a post against Lio, disappears.

Korvalain shows up, a post or two about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

...huh?

I thought this quote was interesting and illuminating. I'm going to watch these closely also, see if they do it again. And gott-dammit, too many people to watch!

Ach. Let's get this show on the road.
Vote Ampelas

mm,interesting. those three were all indicated by Sorrit too. as I have said before, Osseric has rather a different style to the others. doesn't mean he is not connected to them though. definitely something to be watching out for.

[Tulas Shorn]

Mockra, on 30 April 2012 - 10:27 PM, said:

(snip)


As, I think, Rashan noted, Liosan and Serc effectively switched arguments. Or rather, Serc (gently) expressed a desire to lynch Galain, then Liosan came on and far more bluntly said we might want to focus on non-zombie targets, and Serc, rather hypocritically, jumped all over it.

it's also interesting that Galain made no response to Serc's accusations before he disappeared. I might need to go back and have a look at that.

also,a plea from someone playing from a phone. snipping quotes is not hard, all you have to do is make sure there are the same number of beginning quotes as end quotes, and it makes it easier for everyone to understand exactly what you are responding to. as well as reducing the amount of scrolling, which is particularly noticeable on a phone

[Tellan]

As I've said, I'm against lynching the very lowest poster. Sure, their non-contribution is annoying, but I don't see a zombie player being that lax. So instead,

Vote Korbas

As this has actual proper reasoning behind it.

[Anthras]

K, back briefly, But i'm doing other stuff, not gonna be refreshing the thread too often.

Rashan, I'd actually disagree with you. The Voodoo Priest strikes me as the biggest unknown, and a major threat. All that we know about him is that h'es trying to summon some demon (who sounds incredibly MesoAmerican, and not at all Afro-Carribean tribal, I might add. THe mods didn't really research the topic it would seem), who will then destroy us all.
Given that we have no clue how he acts (whereas we can make some educated guesses to all the other Independants), I'd say he may be just as much a threat as the zombies.
Not to mention that Houngans (voodoo priests) are generally the ones who MAKE zombies. So yeah.

We still have plenty of time and I'd like to hear what Amp has to say before we hit the point of no return with his lynch. I need more time to look into Kaschan, will hopefully get to do that later tonight

[Osseric]

Atrahal, on 30 April 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

Alright...I'm willing to vote for Ampelas on the off-chance that he is a zombie.

I was originally leaning towatds voting Serc, but despite his ridiculously erratic behavior, I am hesitating based on the fact that he opposes Liosan, whose views I definitely do not agree with. However, knowing Serc, it is entirely possible that he only opposed Lio to make himself seem better. So, IGMEOU, Serc, Lio.

Quote

Emur shows up, two or three posts about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

Osseric shows up, chimes in a post against Lio, disappears.

Korvalain shows up, a post or two about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

...huh?

I thought this quote was interesting and illuminating. I'm going to watch these closely also, see if they do it again. And gott-dammit, too many people to watch!

Ach. Let's get this show on the road.
Vote Ampelas

He actually was agreeing with Liosan at one point and was one of the first to suggest that we go after the weakened BB faction. Well, he agreed on going after human players but they both were still opposed to each other. It is what is making me hesitate actually, because I find the both of them suspicious, Serc made the suggestion first before the majority of his strange behaviour and unsubtle attempts at fishing and fake-revealing and Liosan seemed to completely change his position.

Serc, on 30 April 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

Liosan, on 30 April 2012 - 08:59 AM, said:

JLV, on 18 April 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

Human Faction VCs: To be the last faction standing.

Zombies:

Killers and Recruiters.
No DR
Zombie faction VC: To remove all other factions from the game.

Independants:

Lone Avenger - A man with a serious grudge against all three human factions.
Defense Rating = 3
VC = be alive when all 3 faction leaders are dead. Kill at least one of them yourself.

Priest - A man of God, as such his duty is to fight the evil that is the zombie infection
Defense Rating = 3
Create Blessings that offer some amount of protection against zombies
VC = be alive when 10 zombies are dead,

Survivor - (Higher Time requirement, but very rewarding) - You only care about making it out of here alive. You hate all the bloody mess, and the whole situation is a complete nightmare for you. You just want to survive it and that is it.
Defense Rating = 3
Manipulate and coerce to victory
VC = Be alive when the game ends

Voodoo Master - (Somewhat complicated role) You are not a nice guy, not at all. Frankly, you don't really care about all the people or the zombies at all.
However, this is a good opportunity to complete the Ritual to summon the great Demon Hutzlaputzl. You win, if you manage to summon Hutzlaputzl. You will win and leave the game to reign over other puny mortals, while Hutzlaputzl will hold a bloody feast on the remaining players.
Defense Rating = 3
Kill and maim for the samples required to summon your demon.
VC - Summon Hutzlaputzl

Finally, a last thought to stack up all that I've had over the night. So VC's, people keep saying that zombies are scum kill them all. Looking back at the VCs, I get the impression that such sentiments are misleading (maybe not from human players).

Human factions have to be the last one standing to win. Therefore the most expedient path to victory is to target every human they can and hope to eliminate their rivals before the zombies consume them.

Zombies, on the other hand, benefit from the waiting game, especially if we are dealing with zombie bosses. Think about it. We lynch a zombie, so what? That's less chance they'll recruit/kill someone over night, but that doesn't mean they won't or their partner won't. It's like shooting zombies without a head shot. They'll keep coming, albeit slower. According to the VCs, zombies just need to get enough nights to probe every player still alive and either convert or kill them. The only reason I can think of to attack zombies is to hope that by lowering a zombie boss's vote count, it ups the chance that they will actually run into a DR-1 situation and lose one of their minions.

As for the independents, if we really want to eliminate someone other than human faction people, we need to get the voodoo priest. If he sticks around long enough, he wins. Another theory for DR = 0 is that a maim by the voodoo priest diminishes someone's DR. So Kasch could also be a BP who just lost his only night protection. The other independents are helpful (e.g. the priest) or annoying (e.g. the Lone Avenger who will just be hunting leaders with no other motivations).

So my conclusion is that we have it a little backwards. I mean, perhaps I've missed the point, and we are going for weakening the zombies enough so as to no longer have that threat when the human faction blood bath begins. But really, the longer we wait, the better odds there are for the zombies and the voodoo priest. Counterintuitive to the scum/town mindset, but this isn't a M&P game.

Remove Vote


Vote Serc

So you're voting for me because you think I'm trying to get people to go after zombies instead of factions? Did you just totally not read my post that basically has already said EXACTLY what you just said?

Serc, on 29 April 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

D, on 29 April 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

Serc, on 29 April 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:

Tellan, on 29 April 2012 - 12:49 AM, said:

snip

snip

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Sorrit said in an earlier post(I'll find it later) that he knew another person in his faction. Remember he mentioned blackmail ,.etc.
And he was telling the truth. As he turned out to be the Dog from BurnBridgers, I'm pretty sure he knew at least one other person and that would have to be his master, Faction Leader of the BurnBRIDGERS.
So this person would possibly also know who played his dog, but not definate. So whoever defended Sorrit the hardest might have been faction leader of the BBs.

You know that would be Galain right? Why not come out and say that is what you mean? This rubs me up the wrong way, I think we should be looking for the zombie horde/leader etc before trying to take out each other. I mean if Sorrit knew one other person he may of knew either the person above or below him

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Sergeant Daniel Jackson - Sergeant of the squad BurnBridgers, cut off from command in this post apocalyptic world, just trying to survive and make it back to the rest of the army.
Defense Rating = 4
Finder

Benny - a border-collie who Sergeant Jackson found after becoming stranded, and decided to bring with him because of his sense of smell.
Defense Rating = 1
Limited BP

Corporal Mike Horvath - second in command of the BurnBridgers, classic tough guy and disciplinarian of the squad.
Defense Rating = 3
As long as he remains alive, his faction (including himself) gets +1 DR
DR manipulator

This means that Galain may be one of these two people but that does not mean he is the biggest threat to everyone. That is if you believe him to be one of the Burnbridges. I think we should look at what Sorrit said, after all Twelve is usually good at guessing right early on even if he doesn't survive, as we know he was of a human faction and therefore was actively trying to find anomolies within the pattern of the game and peoples play. I've heard a few people mention low posters but that does derive from one person controlling multiple alts rather than other options that could be on the table.

No, I agree completely to the importance of taking out Zombies. And if we can somehow be sure as to someone we think IS or at least have a pretty high suspicion, then we should take them out. But they seem to be laying low, in my opinion. So if by the end of day two if we can't isolate a zombie target I would suggest taking out another member of a faction who is already down two. Seems a safe kill to me. But I was also wondering if you are suggesting that we spend all our time taking out zombies until they are all dead before targeting anyone or anything else?

Human Faction VCs: To be the last faction standing.

I'm not saying this suggests that you're not part of a faction, or maybe you're just part of the BBs, I dont know. That's not where Im going with this. Im just wondering if it wouldnt be a quicker way to victory by taking out the other factions as quickly as possible. But to be honest, its hard to say at this point.

I suggest we go for what seems to be the most SURE target. If we are more sure weve found a zombie, we take it out. If not we can take down each others factions in the stead, especially if we have a really strong suspicion like Galain's seeming connection to Sorrit, who might also be a Faction Leader. Because you said it could be either Sergeant Daniel Jackson - Sergeant of the squad BurnBridgers OR Corporal Mike Horvath - second in command of the BurnBridgers that Sorrit knew as part of his faction. But seeing as he was a dog, a PET, to the Sergeant, I'd say odds are if he knew someone he'd HAVE to know his master, who is also the man who found him (Benny - a border-collie who Sergeant Jackson found after becoming stranded, and decided to bring with him because of his sense of smell.)

If Galain IS a Faction Leader for BBs, then everyone from both other factions, zombies, The Lone Avenger, Survivor, and even the Voodoo Master would all benefit from this.

But I'm more willing to see where everyone else stands before I commit to anything just yet.

Serc, on 30 April 2012 - 09:47 AM, said:

When I first suggested that perhaps Galain was a BurnBridger, and maybe we should continue to hit an already weakened faction, Liosan was one of the first to defend this with this post:

Liosan, on 29 April 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

To be coldly analytic, if Galain is a leader, his fate is sealed. The VC for the Lone Avenger stipulates he must kill at least one leader. Without that team having a medic, that leader is toast.

What I would say is if Galain is a leader, either someone protect him to let him keep finding or at least have him give us his find from last night (only if it was a zombie or the voodoo priest, I wouldn't really want the other human characters to be revealed creating targets for the zombies) so that we can have a target for today's lynch. He does still have some teammates left after all.

Right now, Eloth is making my gut itch. He expressed strong reservations over voting for Sorrit. However, he drops a vote with the line I won't be back before time out. Nothing else. No justification, no "sorry but this is the only lynch that will get the numbers," etc. Also I figure, since someone else mentioned Twelve's personal ability to "sniff" out roles early on, we should test at least one of his picks for zombies, and Eloth seems like a good choice to me.

Vote Eloth

Now he's changing his tune saying we should go for HUMAN FACTIONS just not BurnBridgers? Its not definate Galain was the Faction Lead like someone already pointed out, but its VERY LIKELY he is at least a BurnBridger.

Then you're saying to vote for me, whom you presume is a RANDOM human faction, but you're SURE im not in yours? How do you know? Your defense of wanting us to lynch a highly likely BurnBridger, but at the same time saying we need to take out Human Factions, and the voting for me whom you someone know is NOT in your faction. You are almost guaranteed to ALSO be a BurnBridger, if not Zombie. There could be no other reason.

You have two different stances it seems. Typical of someone with alts with different thinking? You either have alts thats confusing you or DEF a BurnBridger.

If the lynch of Ampelas fails Liosan would make an absolute BEST lynch. For if Galain is BB Faction Lead, then he's(LIOSAN) more than likely one of their killers. And if he's trying to get us to NOT vote for zombies all of a sudden, then that is also odd.

At this point its Liosan if not Ampelas. Easy.

EDIT: Added (Liosan) to make it more clear.

[Anthras]

went back and re-read the Voodoo master VCs--he will win when the demon is summoned. he will leave, while the demon will stay and keep killing us.
Also.in order to summon the demon, he needs to "kill and maim for the parts you need".

Deffo somehting to look out for.

[Tulas Shorn]

Anthras, on 30 April 2012 - 10:58 PM, said:

went back and re-read the Voodoo master VCs--he will win when the demon is summoned. he will leave, while the demon will stay and keep killing us.
Also.in order to summon the demon, he needs to "kill and maim for the parts you need".

Deffo somehting to look out for.

the problem is that the voodoo priest is such a big unknown. what happens when he targets a zombie? what happens when he encounters someone with a higher dr than he has? is he even constrained by dr? how often can he attack? why did he not attack last night?

however, from what I can tell, humans don't lose the game even if the voodoo priest wins. it will just make it a whole lot more difficult for the factions. and then again, when the big nasty guy comes out, how does it choose it's victims? can it only target humans? so many questions!

[Telas]

And i'm back from the weekend break!



I'll be catching up tomorrow, got a ton of pages to read.

[Spite]

Osseric, on 30 April 2012 - 10:56 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 30 April 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

Alright...I'm willing to vote for Ampelas on the off-chance that he is a zombie.

I was originally leaning towatds voting Serc, but despite his ridiculously erratic behavior, I am hesitating based on the fact that he opposes Liosan, whose views I definitely do not agree with. However, knowing Serc, it is entirely possible that he only opposed Lio to make himself seem better. So, IGMEOU, Serc, Lio.

Quote

Emur shows up, two or three posts about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

Osseric shows up, chimes in a post against Lio, disappears.

Korvalain shows up, a post or two about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

...huh?

I thought this quote was interesting and illuminating. I'm going to watch these closely also, see if they do it again. And gott-dammit, too many people to watch!

Ach. Let's get this show on the road.
Vote Ampelas

He actually was agreeing with Liosan at one point and was one of the first to suggest that we go after the weakened BB faction. Well, he agreed on going after human players but they both were still opposed to each other. It is what is making me hesitate actually, because I find the both of them suspicious, Serc made the suggestion first before the majority of his strange behaviour and unsubtle attempts at fishing and fake-revealing and Liosan seemed to completely change his position.

Serc, on 30 April 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

Liosan, on 30 April 2012 - 08:59 AM, said:

JLV, on 18 April 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

Human Faction VCs: To be the last faction standing.

Zombies:

Killers and Recruiters.
No DR
Zombie faction VC: To remove all other factions from the game.

Independants:

Lone Avenger - A man with a serious grudge against all three human factions.
Defense Rating = 3
VC = be alive when all 3 faction leaders are dead. Kill at least one of them yourself.

Priest - A man of God, as such his duty is to fight the evil that is the zombie infection
Defense Rating = 3
Create Blessings that offer some amount of protection against zombies
VC = be alive when 10 zombies are dead,

Survivor - (Higher Time requirement, but very rewarding) - You only care about making it out of here alive. You hate all the bloody mess, and the whole situation is a complete nightmare for you. You just want to survive it and that is it.
Defense Rating = 3
Manipulate and coerce to victory
VC = Be alive when the game ends

Voodoo Master - (Somewhat complicated role) You are not a nice guy, not at all. Frankly, you don't really care about all the people or the zombies at all.
However, this is a good opportunity to complete the Ritual to summon the great Demon Hutzlaputzl. You win, if you manage to summon Hutzlaputzl. You will win and leave the game to reign over other puny mortals, while Hutzlaputzl will hold a bloody feast on the remaining players.
Defense Rating = 3
Kill and maim for the samples required to summon your demon.
VC - Summon Hutzlaputzl

Finally, a last thought to stack up all that I've had over the night. So VC's, people keep saying that zombies are scum kill them all. Looking back at the VCs, I get the impression that such sentiments are misleading (maybe not from human players).

Human factions have to be the last one standing to win. Therefore the most expedient path to victory is to target every human they can and hope to eliminate their rivals before the zombies consume them.

Zombies, on the other hand, benefit from the waiting game, especially if we are dealing with zombie bosses. Think about it. We lynch a zombie, so what? That's less chance they'll recruit/kill someone over night, but that doesn't mean they won't or their partner won't. It's like shooting zombies without a head shot. They'll keep coming, albeit slower. According to the VCs, zombies just need to get enough nights to probe every player still alive and either convert or kill them. The only reason I can think of to attack zombies is to hope that by lowering a zombie boss's vote count, it ups the chance that they will actually run into a DR-1 situation and lose one of their minions.

As for the independents, if we really want to eliminate someone other than human faction people, we need to get the voodoo priest. If he sticks around long enough, he wins. Another theory for DR = 0 is that a maim by the voodoo priest diminishes someone's DR. So Kasch could also be a BP who just lost his only night protection. The other independents are helpful (e.g. the priest) or annoying (e.g. the Lone Avenger who will just be hunting leaders with no other motivations).

So my conclusion is that we have it a little backwards. I mean, perhaps I've missed the point, and we are going for weakening the zombies enough so as to no longer have that threat when the human faction blood bath begins. But really, the longer we wait, the better odds there are for the zombies and the voodoo priest. Counterintuitive to the scum/town mindset, but this isn't a M&P game.

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Vote Serc

So you're voting for me because you think I'm trying to get people to go after zombies instead of factions? Did you just totally not read my post that basically has already said EXACTLY what you just said?

Serc, on 29 April 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

D, on 29 April 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

Serc, on 29 April 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:

Tellan, on 29 April 2012 - 12:49 AM, said:

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Sorrit said in an earlier post(I'll find it later) that he knew another person in his faction. Remember he mentioned blackmail ,.etc.
And he was telling the truth. As he turned out to be the Dog from BurnBridgers, I'm pretty sure he knew at least one other person and that would have to be his master, Faction Leader of the BurnBRIDGERS.
So this person would possibly also know who played his dog, but not definate. So whoever defended Sorrit the hardest might have been faction leader of the BBs.

You know that would be Galain right? Why not come out and say that is what you mean? This rubs me up the wrong way, I think we should be looking for the zombie horde/leader etc before trying to take out each other. I mean if Sorrit knew one other person he may of knew either the person above or below him

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Sergeant Daniel Jackson - Sergeant of the squad BurnBridgers, cut off from command in this post apocalyptic world, just trying to survive and make it back to the rest of the army.
Defense Rating = 4
Finder

Benny - a border-collie who Sergeant Jackson found after becoming stranded, and decided to bring with him because of his sense of smell.
Defense Rating = 1
Limited BP

Corporal Mike Horvath - second in command of the BurnBridgers, classic tough guy and disciplinarian of the squad.
Defense Rating = 3
As long as he remains alive, his faction (including himself) gets +1 DR
DR manipulator

This means that Galain may be one of these two people but that does not mean he is the biggest threat to everyone. That is if you believe him to be one of the Burnbridges. I think we should look at what Sorrit said, after all Twelve is usually good at guessing right early on even if he doesn't survive, as we know he was of a human faction and therefore was actively trying to find anomolies within the pattern of the game and peoples play. I've heard a few people mention low posters but that does derive from one person controlling multiple alts rather than other options that could be on the table.

No, I agree completely to the importance of taking out Zombies. And if we can somehow be sure as to someone we think IS or at least have a pretty high suspicion, then we should take them out. But they seem to be laying low, in my opinion. So if by the end of day two if we can't isolate a zombie target I would suggest taking out another member of a faction who is already down two. Seems a safe kill to me. But I was also wondering if you are suggesting that we spend all our time taking out zombies until they are all dead before targeting anyone or anything else?

Human Faction VCs: To be the last faction standing.

I'm not saying this suggests that you're not part of a faction, or maybe you're just part of the BBs, I dont know. That's not where Im going with this. Im just wondering if it wouldnt be a quicker way to victory by taking out the other factions as quickly as possible. But to be honest, its hard to say at this point.

I suggest we go for what seems to be the most SURE target. If we are more sure weve found a zombie, we take it out. If not we can take down each others factions in the stead, especially if we have a really strong suspicion like Galain's seeming connection to Sorrit, who might also be a Faction Leader. Because you said it could be either Sergeant Daniel Jackson - Sergeant of the squad BurnBridgers OR Corporal Mike Horvath - second in command of the BurnBridgers that Sorrit knew as part of his faction. But seeing as he was a dog, a PET, to the Sergeant, I'd say odds are if he knew someone he'd HAVE to know his master, who is also the man who found him (Benny - a border-collie who Sergeant Jackson found after becoming stranded, and decided to bring with him because of his sense of smell.)

If Galain IS a Faction Leader for BBs, then everyone from both other factions, zombies, The Lone Avenger, Survivor, and even the Voodoo Master would all benefit from this.

But I'm more willing to see where everyone else stands before I commit to anything just yet.

Serc, on 30 April 2012 - 09:47 AM, said:

When I first suggested that perhaps Galain was a BurnBridger, and maybe we should continue to hit an already weakened faction, Liosan was one of the first to defend this with this post:

Liosan, on 29 April 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

To be coldly analytic, if Galain is a leader, his fate is sealed. The VC for the Lone Avenger stipulates he must kill at least one leader. Without that team having a medic, that leader is toast.

What I would say is if Galain is a leader, either someone protect him to let him keep finding or at least have him give us his find from last night (only if it was a zombie or the voodoo priest, I wouldn't really want the other human characters to be revealed creating targets for the zombies) so that we can have a target for today's lynch. He does still have some teammates left after all.

Right now, Eloth is making my gut itch. He expressed strong reservations over voting for Sorrit. However, he drops a vote with the line I won't be back before time out. Nothing else. No justification, no "sorry but this is the only lynch that will get the numbers," etc. Also I figure, since someone else mentioned Twelve's personal ability to "sniff" out roles early on, we should test at least one of his picks for zombies, and Eloth seems like a good choice to me.

Vote Eloth

Now he's changing his tune saying we should go for HUMAN FACTIONS just not BurnBridgers? Its not definate Galain was the Faction Lead like someone already pointed out, but its VERY LIKELY he is at least a BurnBridger.

Then you're saying to vote for me, whom you presume is a RANDOM human faction, but you're SURE im not in yours? How do you know? Your defense of wanting us to lynch a highly likely BurnBridger, but at the same time saying we need to take out Human Factions, and the voting for me whom you someone know is NOT in your faction. You are almost guaranteed to ALSO be a BurnBridger, if not Zombie. There could be no other reason.

You have two different stances it seems. Typical of someone with alts with different thinking? You either have alts thats confusing you or DEF a BurnBridger.

If the lynch of Ampelas fails Liosan would make an absolute BEST lynch. For if Galain is BB Faction Lead, then he's(LIOSAN) more than likely one of their killers. And if he's trying to get us to NOT vote for zombies all of a sudden, then that is also odd.

At this point its Liosan if not Ampelas. Easy.

EDIT: Added (Liosan) to make it more clear.

I'm thinking he slipped somewhere earlier, and rest of his rants are to cast doubts on all he has said. I'm sorry but I don't have the time to go look at all his posts right now, or anytime in the foreseeable future. Someone who sits at a desk all day will have to check it. I'm thinking he is a human faction though. sorry I cant add more. there is still a shit load of time left so I will hold off on voting just yet.