[Rashan]

OK, I am caught up. Pulled some quotes I found Interesting. One thing I will state. I am pretty sure Serc fucked up and admitted he saw himself in the scene. It just furthers my belief that he is of human origin. Likely the "innocent", that the killers left alone. My guess is he had a BP and knew it got used up. Let slip, and is now back pedaling. Moving on.


This post below has the smell of Zombie trying to steer us towards a human lynch. In fact, I have noticed quite a few posts where people voting Serc concede that he is likely a human, but then vote him anyway. Are you people frigging dense??? The Zombies are the tthreat. Not an independant with his own win condition. Not a dog, not any of the human faction. Zombies. They can Kill, they can recruit and they are 10 strong right now. Anyone on Serc's train that has admitted he may be independant is instantly suspect to me right now. This includes Mockra in the post below.

Mockra, on 30 April 2012 - 12:48 AM, said:

Serc, on 29 April 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

No, I agree completely to the importance of taking out Zombies. And if we can somehow be sure as to someone we think IS or at least have a pretty high suspicion, then we should take them out. But they seem to be laying low, in my opinion. So if by the end of day two if we can't isolate a zombie target I would suggest taking out another member of a faction who is already down two. Seems a safe kill to me. But I was also wondering if you are suggesting that we spend all our time taking out zombies until they are all dead before targeting anyone or anything else?

Human Faction VCs: To be the last faction standing.


I'm not saying this suggests that you're not part of a faction, or maybe you're just part of the BBs, I dont know. That's not where Im going with this. Im just wondering if it wouldnt be a quicker way to victory by taking out the other factions as quickly as possible. But to be honest, its hard to say at this point.


I suggest we go for what seems to be the most SURE target. If we are more sure weve found a zombie, we take it out. If not we can take down each others factions in the stead, especially if we have a really strong suspicion like Galain's seeming connection to Sorrit, who might also be a Faction Leader. Because you said it could be either Sergeant Daniel Jackson - Sergeant of the squad BurnBridgers OR Corporal Mike Horvath - second in command of the BurnBridgers that Sorrit knew as part of his faction. But seeing as he was a dog, a PET, to the Sergeant, I'd say odds are if he knew someone he'd HAVE to know his master, who is also the man who found him (Benny - a border-collie who Sergeant Jackson found after becoming stranded, and decided to bring with him because of his sense of smell.)

If Galain IS a Faction Leader for BBs, then everyone from both other factions, zombies, The Lone Avenger, Survivor, and even the Voodoo Master would all benefit from this.


But I'm more willing to see where everyone else stands before I commit to anything just yet.

I think we can safely conclude that Serc is NOT in the BurnBridgers....I really don't like the way he's trying to coax us towards a possible human faction lynch already. Serc knows full well that unless a finder comes out and reveals themselves to say that they've found a zombie, there is hardly any possible way we'll be "SURE" (capital letters SURE) of a zombie lynch. In effect, that 'suggestion' is pretty much unworkable from the beginning - which of course automatically leads us back to the thought of lynching Galain. Notice that we can't be SURE of Galain's affiliation either, and yet Serc is pretty much taking that for granted.

Here is one of those posts I was talking about. Liosan basically admits that Serc is human... but votes him anyway. absurd. Zombies are the threat. Human factions can't recruit and aren't 10 strong. Independants have their own VC's Let the killers and zombies take them out. We need to pare down the zombie numbers. The sooner, the better. I completely disagree with Lio's logic here.

Liosan, on 30 April 2012 - 08:59 AM, said:

JLV, on 18 April 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

Human Faction VCs: To be the last faction standing.

Zombies:

Killers and Recruiters.
No DR
Zombie faction VC: To remove all other factions from the game.

Independants:

Lone Avenger - A man with a serious grudge against all three human factions.
Defense Rating = 3
VC = be alive when all 3 faction leaders are dead. Kill at least one of them yourself.

Priest - A man of God, as such his duty is to fight the evil that is the zombie infection
Defense Rating = 3
Create Blessings that offer some amount of protection against zombies
VC = be alive when 10 zombies are dead,

Survivor - (Higher Time requirement, but very rewarding) - You only care about making it out of here alive. You hate all the bloody mess, and the whole situation is a complete nightmare for you. You just want to survive it and that is it.
Defense Rating = 3
Manipulate and coerce to victory
VC = Be alive when the game ends

Voodoo Master - (Somewhat complicated role) You are not a nice guy, not at all. Frankly, you don't really care about all the people or the zombies at all.
However, this is a good opportunity to complete the Ritual to summon the great Demon Hutzlaputzl. You win, if you manage to summon Hutzlaputzl. You will win and leave the game to reign over other puny mortals, while Hutzlaputzl will hold a bloody feast on the remaining players.
Defense Rating = 3
Kill and maim for the samples required to summon your demon.
VC - Summon Hutzlaputzl

Finally, a last thought to stack up all that I've had over the night. So VC's, people keep saying that zombies are scum kill them all. Looking back at the VCs, I get the impression that such sentiments are misleading (maybe not from human players).

Human factions have to be the last one standing to win. Therefore the most expedient path to victory is to target every human they can and hope to eliminate their rivals before the zombies consume them.

Zombies, on the other hand, benefit from the waiting game, especially if we are dealing with zombie bosses. Think about it. We lynch a zombie, so what? That's less chance they'll recruit/kill someone over night, but that doesn't mean they won't or their partner won't. It's like shooting zombies without a head shot. They'll keep coming, albeit slower. According to the VCs, zombies just need to get enough nights to probe every player still alive and either convert or kill them. The only reason I can think of to attack zombies is to hope that by lowering a zombie boss's vote count, it ups the chance that they will actually run into a DR-1 situation and lose one of their minions.

As for the independents, if we really want to eliminate someone other than human faction people, we need to get the voodoo priest. If he sticks around long enough, he wins. Another theory for DR = 0 is that a maim by the voodoo priest diminishes someone's DR. So Kasch could also be a BP who just lost his only night protection. The other independents are helpful (e.g. the priest) or annoying (e.g. the Lone Avenger who will just be hunting leaders with no other motivations).

So my conclusion is that we have it a little backwards. I mean, perhaps I've missed the point, and we are going for weakening the zombies enough so as to no longer have that threat when the human faction blood bath begins. But really, the longer we wait, the better odds there are for the zombies and the voodoo priest. Counterintuitive to the scum/town mindset, but this isn't a M&P game.

Remove Vote


Vote Serc

I agree with Meanas here. With 30 people, and 1/3 of them zombies, we need votes and we need them early. We shouldn't curb discussion, but we need votes out there because a no-lynch is a win for the zombies.

Meanas, on 30 April 2012 - 10:46 AM, said:

Korvalain, on 30 April 2012 - 10:30 AM, said:

I completely agree with this, only you say it much more eloquently. I haven't yet decided who I'll vote for today, but we should have oodles of time.

You may think that but day one went right down to the last minute. There are too many votes need at the moment for "oodles of time". We have lots of time to discuss things yes, but actually getting everyone to agree on a target is a different matter. Plus Ampelas could be modkilled if he doesn't arrive and that may be a waste of a lynch..

I agree with Korv here, this is definately a signaling post. I thought so as well when I first read it. very contrived. I don;t think Zombies would need to signal, so Emur is down on my list as a zombie suspect.

Korvalain, on 30 April 2012 - 02:43 PM, said:

Back for a bit and doing a reread. This post caught my eye:

Emurlahn, on 26 April 2012 - 06:33 PM, said:

Wow this game looks to be some shit!! I can't wait to get my teeth into it, not much to sift through yet, i'm feeling horny but I don't see any dragon shecks anywhere. It's day one, why's no one pulled out the fricking beads and mat? I mean I know it can get messy but come on

I can't think of any kinky sex acts that would require beads and a mat, so I'm thinking this is signalling of some sort? Or is he insinuating he's a priest?

Anyways, I'm still reading, got several pages to go.

I know I am coming off as defending Serc here. Thats fine. But I can't see many scenarios where his play indicates that he is a zombie in anyway. Hence he is not a lynch option for me. He's playing like a retard, sure. But at least he's probably human. Especially with his slip-up about how he was the target of a NK last night.

I think we need to go after non entitiy low posters, or people that give some inkling that they are nto human. I could go With Korbas, he did seem to slip with his zombie lingo, but I am liking my amp vote until he shows up and contributes. Even if he is human, with no participation he is prime zombie fodder and a very viable recruit possibility. Come end game, those non posters we didn't lynch will come back to bite us in the ass. And in this game.. thats fatal. (see what I did there )

[Rashan]

Osseric, on 30 April 2012 - 05:20 PM, said:

I'm still not as convinced where Serc is concerned, his play is erratic, he tends to semi-reveal, hint at knowing things that others don't without backing anything up and back it all up with making it sound like he is a role that we don't want to lose. The fishing was not very under the radar and awkwardly done and he seems to just jump on people that reply to him with differing opinions. That said, he does say a lot and is generating discussion and activity on thread. For the moment, I can't decide if he is a big threat, deflecting attention from someone we should want dead or just someone making a lot of noise.

Tennes, though, just because he is playing similar to Sorrit does not make it more likely that he is similarly roled and I think many people voting him are not doing so because he is annoying but because they see his behaviour as scummy.

Liosan's point seems strange to me, that we should now be going after other human factions instead of zombies, I think to do such a thing would be dangerous. The longer the zombie numbers are at full strength the more chance they have of successfully recruiting and directing the lynches.

I am going to look over the Korbas case again.

heh, great minds think alike. I saw the same thing when I read his post. It has the ring of zombie/independant trying to make the humans kill eachother off.

[Osseric]

Anomandaris, on 30 April 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:

I notice Korbas made an attempt to defend against the allegations I leveled against him. I didn't find those defenses particularly satisfying:

Korbas, on 28 April 2012 - 08:13 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 28 April 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:

Korbas, on 28 April 2012 - 01:47 AM, said:

On the zombie front, the death of a medic (DR-2+1) means that for a kill, not a recruit, Shin had to have been hit by at least 4 zombies. Given that I still believe it a group of 4 alt zombies, controlled by 1 zom-boss, it is likely that Shin also had another +1DR buff that would have prevented recruitment. So that ultimately the zombies of 5, killed the medic with DR of 4.

This is a very strange post. He says there are 4 alt-zombies controlled by 1 zom-boss. That can be read in two ways:

(a) One player controls 4 alts.

(b ) Zombies come in packs of 5, and there is one 'boss' alt for that set.




Now initially I read this as being (a), which looks plausible enough. But then he says he reckons that Shin must have had a DR of 4 (what? Shin quite clearly has a DR of 2 + 1 from his teammate's buff). If that's the case, then he must have meant (b ) rather than (a). And (b ) is something that I haven't seen anyone else even mention as a possibility. I think there was some inside knowledge on display here. Korbas knows how the Zombie teams work, and has let the slip on thread. In order for that to have happened, he must be a Zombie himself.

Vote Korbas

EDIT: Fixing the (b)s.

You've got it wrong. Here is my train of logic, I believe that the zombies present the biggest current threat, so understanding their mechanics is an important element to figure out early. If there are 22 named roles, and 24 sign-ups, that means 2 of the sign-ups had to be roled zombie. That said, there are 8 additional alts beyond the 24 sign-ups. You following so far? If we assume WCS, then those 8 are all zombie alts, and I'd imagine 4 go to each rolled zombie. Given that it is unlikely that the one roled played would be forced to post in each of the alts, someone in probably helping with that, but to avoid interfering in the game, they would have no say in the NA. So with that train of logic, I end up with a zombie faction of 5, the 1 roled player and the extra 4 alts. At this point, which I think we can all agree on (I think the survivor having alts idea is silly), the question is whether the roled player counts in the group. If so, zombies kill DR 4 and recruit DR 3. If not, zombies kill DR 3 and recruit DR 2.


Earlier yesterday, I wasn't thinking WCS. After the NK I was, which is why my numbers changed slightly. I was already thinking that the Priest could add DR (which is why I jumped on Fener mentioning who he thought the priest was on thread), and if the recent speculation regarding the DR manipulator is also valid there would be at least 4 people able to increase DR. I guess I'm just slightly confusd on the numbers, cause it could go either way, and remains to be seen.

Once again, Korbas is making the assumption that there is a 'controller alt', that the other zombies are slaved to. I don't know where this idea comes from or why he is treating it as the most likely option. He's the only person to have brought it up as a possibility. I think there's a good chance that this is a slip by a zombie player about how the zombie role works, so I'm going to keep my vote where it is for the time being.

The part that would make me wary about Korbas in this is when he assumes that Sorrits DR was higher than we thought it to be from what we knew. As for the idea that there is one main boss zombie controlling other alts I don't think that is the first time such a thing was pointed out as being a possibility, unless I am reading this wrong. On day 1 there were a couple of speculations that there were two groups of zombies and that there was a main player that made the decision for the other alts and some debate as to whether the other alts were all handled by one person or if they were getting help.

[Ampelas]

Um so I'm back again. Things have not been going as planned. Best I can do is catch up later tonight. Rage, rage against the dying of the light....

[Anomandaris]

Ampelas, on 30 April 2012 - 05:48 PM, said:

Um so I'm back again. Things have not been going as planned. Best I can do is catch up later tonight. Rage, rage against the dying of the light....

He's here!

Oh wait, now he's gone again...

[Osseric]

Rashan, on 30 April 2012 - 05:43 PM, said:

Osseric, on 30 April 2012 - 05:20 PM, said:

I'm still not as convinced where Serc is concerned, his play is erratic, he tends to semi-reveal, hint at knowing things that others don't without backing anything up and back it all up with making it sound like he is a role that we don't want to lose. The fishing was not very under the radar and awkwardly done and he seems to just jump on people that reply to him with differing opinions. That said, he does say a lot and is generating discussion and activity on thread. For the moment, I can't decide if he is a big threat, deflecting attention from someone we should want dead or just someone making a lot of noise.

Tennes, though, just because he is playing similar to Sorrit does not make it more likely that he is similarly roled and I think many people voting him are not doing so because he is annoying but because they see his behaviour as scummy.

Liosan's point seems strange to me, that we should now be going after other human factions instead of zombies, I think to do such a thing would be dangerous. The longer the zombie numbers are at full strength the more chance they have of successfully recruiting and directing the lynches.

I am going to look over the Korbas case again.

heh, great minds think alike. I saw the same thing when I read his post. It has the ring of zombie/independant trying to make the humans kill eachother off.

It was a very clumsy attempt if so, especially since Liosan only a few posts before said that we should be focusing on the zombies and that though Galain was likely to be a leader of the BB's someone would likely sort him out unless one of the guards protected him. I really don't know what to make of it but it does not sit well with me at all.

In saying that, Serc also seemed to ponder the idea of trying to go after the BB's:

Serc, on 30 April 2012 - 09:47 AM, said:

When I first suggested that perhaps Galain was a BurnBridger, and maybe we should continue to hit an already weakened faction, Liosan was one of the first to defend this with this post:

Liosan, on 29 April 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

To be coldly analytic, if Galain is a leader, his fate is sealed. The VC for the Lone Avenger stipulates he must kill at least one leader. Without that team having a medic, that leader is toast.

What I would say is if Galain is a leader, either someone protect him to let him keep finding or at least have him give us his find from last night (only if it was a zombie or the voodoo priest, I wouldn't really want the other human characters to be revealed creating targets for the zombies) so that we can have a target for today's lynch. He does still have some teammates left after all.

Right now, Eloth is making my gut itch. He expressed strong reservations over voting for Sorrit. However, he drops a vote with the line I won't be back before time out. Nothing else. No justification, no "sorry but this is the only lynch that will get the numbers," etc. Also I figure, since someone else mentioned Twelve's personal ability to "sniff" out roles early on, we should test at least one of his picks for zombies, and Eloth seems like a good choice to me.

Vote Eloth

Now he's changing his tune saying we should go for HUMAN FACTIONS just not BurnBridgers? Its not definate Galain was the Faction Lead like someone already pointed out, but its VERY LIKELY he is at least a BurnBridger.


Then you're saying to vote for me, whom you presume is a RANDOM human faction, but you're SURE im not in yours? How do you know? Your defense of wanting us to lynch a highly likely BurnBridger, but at the same time saying we need to take out Human Factions, and the voting for me whom you someone know is NOT in your faction. You are almost guaranteed to ALSO be a BurnBridger, if not Zombie. There could be no other reason.

You have two different stances it seems. Typical of someone with alts with different thinking? You either have alts thats confusing you or DEF a BurnBridger.

If the lynch of Ampelas fails Liosan would make an absolute BEST lynch. For if Galain is BB Faction Lead, then he's(LIOSAN) more than likely one of their killers. And if he's trying to get us to NOT vote for zombies all of a sudden, then that is also odd.

At this point its Liosan if not Ampelas. Easy.


EDIT: Added (Liosan) to make it more clear.

There seems to be a bit of a change around where they're both concerned actually.

[Korvalain]

Ok, done with my reread. When I first read this, I agreed with Liosan, but I clearly didn't read it correctly. I was disagreeing with Serc on wanting to go after Galain, and wanted to concentrate on zombies or the priest. Now that I reread this, I see that he wants to hold off on zombies? That makes no sense unless you're a zombie!

Liosan said:

1335776357[/url]' post='956045']


Finally, a last thought to stack up all that I've had over the night. So VC's, people keep saying that zombies are scum kill them all. Looking back at the VCs, I get the impression that such sentiments are misleading (maybe not from human players).

Human factions have to be the last one standing to win. Therefore the most expedient path to victory is to target every human they can and hope to eliminate their rivals before the zombies consume them.

Zombies, on the other hand, benefit from the waiting game, especially if we are dealing with zombie bosses. Think about it. We lynch a zombie, so what? That's less chance they'll recruit/kill someone over night, but that doesn't mean they won't or their partner won't. It's like shooting zombies without a head shot. They'll keep coming, albeit slower. According to the VCs, zombies just need to get enough nights to probe every player still alive and either convert or kill them. The only reason I can think of to attack zombies is to hope that by lowering a zombie boss's vote count, it ups the chance that they will actually run into a DR-1 situation and lose one of their minions.

As for the independents, if we really want to eliminate someone other than human faction people, we need to get the voodoo priest. If he sticks around long enough, he wins. Another theory for DR = 0 is that a maim by the voodoo priest diminishes someone's DR. So Kasch could also be a BP who just lost his only night protection. The other independents are helpful (e.g. the priest) or annoying (e.g. the Lone Avenger who will just be hunting leaders with no other motivations).

So my conclusion is that we have it a little backwards. I mean, perhaps I've missed the point, and we are going for weakening the zombies enough so as to no longer have that threat when the human faction blood bath begins. But really, the longer we wait, the better odds there are for the zombies and the voodoo priest. Counterintuitive to the scum/town mindset, but this isn't a M&P game.

Remove Vote


Vote Serc

I thought the timing on liosan's sign out and Kalse and Meanas sign ins worth looking at:

Liosan said:

1335780833[/url]' post='956074']
Ok, gotta go. See you all around later.

Kalse said:

1335780933[/url]' post='956076']
I'm here, I'm here, don't modkill me!

In fairness, in my one other post, I did say I wouldn't be able to play till next week, and now next week is this week, and so now I'm here. I'm sure you've all made great strides in my absence, so I'm off to read up on it.

Anything urgent I should know about?

Meanas said:

1335781046[/url]' post='956077']

Tulas Shorn said:

1335569024[/url]' post='955741']
just checking back in to see how the lynch went, and my gosh that was a tense few minutes!

I'll be back in a few hours to see what happened during the night.

Nothing on the outcome? Just that it was a tense few moments?

Ok, so I agree with whoever said that Serc sees himself in the night actions. From his play I'm thinking he's a leader with Thyrllan on his team. I think Sheltatha's vote on Kalse ignoring Ampelas suggests he may be on her team, so maybe just a low posting human. But Liosan's strategy is just off.
Vote Liosan

[Sheltatha Lore]

Fener, on 29 April 2012 - 09:33 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 29 April 2012 - 08:43 PM, said:

Rashan, on 29 April 2012 - 06:50 PM, said:

So Ampleas and Kalse only have 1 post. I know I don't have many either, but come tomorrow i'll be around a lot more so should be fine.

vote Ampleas

low low posting is a good place for zombies to hide.

I agree that low posting is probably a really good place for the zombies to hide. In a game like this it seems that a low poster hunt is a decent strategy.


Vote Kalse

I find this odd. Someone suggests a low poster hunt and shows who they'd rather vote by voting, then you go and vote for someone else, yet still on the premise of low-posting? That seems counter productive, as neither has done anything more suspicious than the other, this just splits up the votes, making it less likely that either lynch will happen, because as i've found, 2 votes are more convincing than 1 to a potential voter when it comes to the beginning of what could become a train.

Their are two serious low poster. One had votes on the other one didn't. Are you saying that it is better to be a lemming and to just follow along and to vote for someone who already has votes on then to try to put pressure on another low poster. It was still early in the day. I don't see very many more posts from either one. I am fine with moving my vote over to Amp.

Remove Vote

Vote Amp

[Tennes]

Emur shows up, two or three posts about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

Osseric shows up, chimes in a post against Lio, disappears.

Korvalain shows up, a post or two about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

...huh?

[Sheltatha Lore]

Tennes, on 30 April 2012 - 07:30 PM, said:

Emur shows up, two or three posts about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

Osseric shows up, chimes in a post against Lio, disappears.

Korvalain shows up, a post or two about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

...huh?

Osseric actually has a bit of content the last couple of pages. But I don't think that any of them are actually voting for anyone.

[Meanas]

Tennes, on 30 April 2012 - 07:30 PM, said:

Emur shows up, two or three posts about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

Osseric shows up, chimes in a post against Lio, disappears.

Korvalain shows up, a post or two about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

...huh?

Interesting you should say that

This post has been edited by Meanas: 30 April 2012 - 08:03 PM

[Meanas]

Half my post got lost then for some reason, i'm streaming the football at the same time you see

[Tennes]

Sheltatha Lore, on 30 April 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

Tennes, on 30 April 2012 - 07:30 PM, said:

Emur shows up, two or three posts about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

Osseric shows up, chimes in a post against Lio, disappears.

Korvalain shows up, a post or two about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

...huh?

Osseric actually has a bit of content the last couple of pages. But I don't think that any of them are actually voting for anyone.

Yup. It's a wild theory, but I could see it happening. Osseric is the main alt the zombie player is using, doesn't want to start accusations from it, so brings in Emur for a few posts, then follows it up with Osseric, making things different, then poorly brings in Korv in an almost complete copy of Emur.

[Korvalain]

Tennes, on 30 April 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 30 April 2012 - 07:37 PM, said:

Tennes, on 30 April 2012 - 07:30 PM, said:

Emur shows up, two or three posts about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

Osseric shows up, chimes in a post against Lio, disappears.

Korvalain shows up, a post or two about Lio being stupid and we should be going for the zombies, not humans. Disappears.

...huh?

Osseric actually has a bit of content the last couple of pages. But I don't think that any of them are actually voting for anyone.

Yup. It's a wild theory, but I could see it happening. Osseric is the main alt the zombie player is using, doesn't want to start accusations from it, so brings in Emur for a few posts, then follows it up with Osseric, making things different, then poorly brings in Korv in an almost complete copy of Emur.

Say what you will, but I have been sitting in a damned airport all day, wrote a complete post then lost it when my battery died. If what I wrote sucks, its because I had to do it via a tablet, and couldn't be arsed to write better a second time, at which point more people had posted.

[Meanas]

Fuck my internet keeps going down. Tennes I was going to say that I agree with you on Osseric Korvalian and Emurlahn and it is something we should definately keep an eye on

[Mockra]

Rashan, on 30 April 2012 - 05:40 PM, said:

This post below has the smell of Zombie trying to steer us towards a human lynch. In fact, I have noticed quite a few posts where people voting Serc concede that he is likely a human, but then vote him anyway. Are you people frigging dense??? The Zombies are the tthreat. Not an independant with his own win condition. Not a dog, not any of the human faction. Zombies. They can Kill, they can recruit and they are 10 strong right now. Anyone on Serc's train that has admitted he may be independant is instantly suspect to me right now. This includes Mockra in the post below.

Mockra, on 30 April 2012 - 12:48 AM, said:

Serc, on 29 April 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

No, I agree completely to the importance of taking out Zombies. And if we can somehow be sure as to someone we think IS or at least have a pretty high suspicion, then we should take them out. But they seem to be laying low, in my opinion. So if by the end of day two if we can't isolate a zombie target I would suggest taking out another member of a faction who is already down two. Seems a safe kill to me. But I was also wondering if you are suggesting that we spend all our time taking out zombies until they are all dead before targeting anyone or anything else?

Human Faction VCs: To be the last faction standing.


I'm not saying this suggests that you're not part of a faction, or maybe you're just part of the BBs, I dont know. That's not where Im going with this. Im just wondering if it wouldnt be a quicker way to victory by taking out the other factions as quickly as possible. But to be honest, its hard to say at this point.


I suggest we go for what seems to be the most SURE target. If we are more sure weve found a zombie, we take it out. If not we can take down each others factions in the stead, especially if we have a really strong suspicion like Galain's seeming connection to Sorrit, who might also be a Faction Leader. Because you said it could be either Sergeant Daniel Jackson - Sergeant of the squad BurnBridgers OR Corporal Mike Horvath - second in command of the BurnBridgers that Sorrit knew as part of his faction. But seeing as he was a dog, a PET, to the Sergeant, I'd say odds are if he knew someone he'd HAVE to know his master, who is also the man who found him (Benny - a border-collie who Sergeant Jackson found after becoming stranded, and decided to bring with him because of his sense of smell.)

If Galain IS a Faction Leader for BBs, then everyone from both other factions, zombies, The Lone Avenger, Survivor, and even the Voodoo Master would all benefit from this.


But I'm more willing to see where everyone else stands before I commit to anything just yet.

I think we can safely conclude that Serc is NOT in the BurnBridgers....I really don't like the way he's trying to coax us towards a possible human faction lynch already. Serc knows full well that unless a finder comes out and reveals themselves to say that they've found a zombie, there is hardly any possible way we'll be "SURE" (capital letters SURE) of a zombie lynch. In effect, that 'suggestion' is pretty much unworkable from the beginning - which of course automatically leads us back to the thought of lynching Galain. Notice that we can't be SURE of Galain's affiliation either, and yet Serc is pretty much taking that for granted.

Nowhere in the post of mine which you quote, Rashan, do I say that I believe that Serc is not a zombie but an independent. I do elsewhere put forward the possibility that Serc could be EITHER a zombie OR an independent, but please get your quotes right before the accusations start flying.

And it's really weird that you defend Serc like this when Serc was the first person to start suggesting we go after someone who most of us are reasonably sure is NOT a zombie. As you yourself realise later on and try to backtrack a little bit.

[Eloth]

ok, I'm checking in but have no insightful comments now. Don't some enterprising soul take this as an invitation to harass me about it, I'm just covered up.

[Mockra]

Anomandaris, on 30 April 2012 - 12:54 PM, said:

Mockra, on 30 April 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 30 April 2012 - 12:25 PM, said:

Mockra, on 30 April 2012 - 12:15 PM, said:

I agree almost entirely with your comments on Serc. However, I think he's too dangerous to just ignore. He's spreading what at the moment can only be construed as misinformation - until he's willing to corroborate it with evidence - all over the place. I would note that Liosan and Serc actually seem to be in agreement somewhat on going for the human factions - Serc was clearly trying to push for Galain votes at the beginning, and then went on to Ampelas when he saw it wasn't getting traction.

Is there anything dangerous about misinformation? If you can identify it as such and ignore it, then it's harmless. What Serc has done on thread has been annoying, but I don't think that's necessarily the same as him being a threat.

If he's a zombie, yeah it's dangerous to ignore him. If he's the voodoo guy trying to trick us into believing he's the priest, then yeah it's dangerous to ignore.

OK, sure. But by the same logic, everyone is dangerous and we should be lynching them all too .

You're being silly. Serc has, for me, given up the most evidence that he's a player who is no good for any faction, i.e. that he is either a zombie or one of the anti-faction independents.

[Atrahal]

Catching up.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Meanas, on 30 April 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:

Half my post got lost then for some reason, i'm streaming the football at the same time you see

You should know better. Mafia is more important then football. To prove my point they lost.