Mafia 87 - Zombies Day 3 is running!
#1041
Posted 02 May 2012 - 07:44 PM
Back.
@ Ano, I don't think any usage of the term after it was stated by PS should be a consideration. Once used by PS it would by a generally accepted term. I am more interested in the first 1-3 people that used the term. If we do lynch Korv and come back with a zombie CF, I think we will have a good lead on some zomies.
@ Ano, I don't think any usage of the term after it was stated by PS should be a consideration. Once used by PS it would by a generally accepted term. I am more interested in the first 1-3 people that used the term. If we do lynch Korv and come back with a zombie CF, I think we will have a good lead on some zomies.
#1042
Posted 02 May 2012 - 08:26 PM
Rashan...that's a great obsevation. It wouldn't be the first time people used words in the PM to signal or build cases. (I should know)
Anyway, let's see what Korv has to say, I don't want to jump the gun on him before he can explain.
Anyway, let's see what Korv has to say, I don't want to jump the gun on him before he can explain.
#1043
Posted 02 May 2012 - 09:02 PM
What's he going to say? He'll deny it of course. Once the cats out of the bag thats all he can do. Not sure what you are expecting from him. Either you think he fucked up, or you believe him that it was just a coincidence. It is interesting how quiet the thread has gotten. If you listen close enough I think you can here the sound of zombies scrambling

#1044
Posted 02 May 2012 - 09:14 PM
Rashan, on 02 May 2012 - 09:02 PM, said:
What's he going to say? He'll deny it of course. Once the cats out of the bag thats all he can do. Not sure what you are expecting from him. Either you think he fucked up, or you believe him that it was just a coincidence. It is interesting how quiet the thread has gotten. If you listen close enough I think you can here the sound of zombies scrambling 

Jesus. The thread hasgone quiet. Normally we get 3 or 4 pages in a day. I think its only been a bit over 1.5 today
This post has been edited by Fener: 02 May 2012 - 09:26 PM
#1045
Posted 02 May 2012 - 09:17 PM
Rashan, on 02 May 2012 - 09:02 PM, said:
What's he going to say? He'll deny it of course. Once the cats out of the bag thats all he can do. Not sure what you are expecting from him. Either you think he fucked up, or you believe him that it was just a coincidence. It is interesting how quiet the thread has gotten. If you listen close enough I think you can here the sound of zombies scrambling 

In my personal opinion, I think the odds are that it's a coincidence. The possibility, however, is just too juicy to ignore.
I don't think I'm going to use the word "horde" anytime soon.
And I think zombies shuffle.
#1046
Posted 02 May 2012 - 09:17 PM
Just doing a quick catch up, I'll be one again later. Interesting stuff Rashan, that's a nice catch.
#1047
Posted 02 May 2012 - 09:17 PM
Rashan, on 02 May 2012 - 09:02 PM, said:
What's he going to say? He'll deny it of course. Once the cats out of the bag thats all he can do. Not sure what you are expecting from him. Either you think he fucked up, or you believe him that it was just a coincidence. It is interesting how quiet the thread has gotten. If you listen close enough I think you can here the sound of zombies scrambling 

Nice catch there Rash.
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#1048
Posted 02 May 2012 - 09:20 PM
I'm back. I really do think Rashan is on to something. But in the interests of finishing-what-I-started, let me go back to looking at D'riss/Meanas/Galain (with a little Tulas/Kaschan thrown in).
Low posting might be something to look for, I agree.
Galain trying to steer us away from looking at the higher posters, perhaps?
Are you speaking to me? I don't think you are the same person.
Galain and Tulas have a bit of interaction, somwhat like Galain and Meanas did earlier (and they ended up both being zombies). I'm just highlighting this in case others think there might be something in more zombie alts having checked in early as the D'riss, Galain and Meanas ones all did (Tulas, Kaschan, and Sorrit being the other early beginners).
Look Mom, more WIFOM! This way if you don't die at night, you can say it is because you called me out. And if you do die at night, any team you might have can then claim I'm a zombie because you died. But what if you are recruited? Then we will never know!
Your confusing of the thread with bullshit and WIFOM is boring and poor play.
Of course this is all assuming you are not a Zombie.
The way Kaschan felt the need to finally add "assuming you are not a Zombie" after all his tirades against my thoughts felt forced. Didnt seem like he believed it one bit. In fact its as if he KNOWS in his mind I'm no Zombie because he would know. MAYBE.
But even if not, Kaschan is playing a very powerful role here. My guess is he's some type of Zombie leader the way he descibed the zombie threat. I fished for quite awhile, and he was the only one who stepped up.
Then again he could be one of the leaders of the three human factions for all I know, but more likely an independant.
My point is I think he's definately a major player, and I vote to take him out. I cant figure out Tulas, Sorrit, and crews game yet, but Kachan seems a bit too sure of himself.
Worse case scenario is he is the leader of a human faction. If we lynch him tonight its only a one in three chance he's your leader if your human, and Id take that chance because he's more than likely Zombie or Independant.
Either way I cant see a better option for day one.
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vote Kaschan
Because the night is Dark and Full of Terrors
What makes you think Kaschan has a high-powered role? I'm seeing defensiveness and anger, but nothing to give me an idea of what his role is.
And your comment about being a zombie leader does not make a lot of sense, unless you see him as a player controlling several zombie alts. From the information we have there is no organisation to the zombies, they are simply a horde. In addition, even if he is a zombie it seems unlikely that he would know all the other zombies, even a leader pretty much never knows everyone in his team.
So your guess is that he is a zombie leader. But then again he could be a leader. But also maybe an independent. Can you see that this might be a little confusing?
Tulas disagrees with the vote on Kaschan, BUT....
....D'riss then does vote for Kaschan, so there may be distancing from some alts, but perhaps it's looking likelier that not all these alts are the same person.
These are some of the quotes I lost earlier. There's quite a bit more interaction between Tulas and Kaschan early on, but as this is focusing on D/G/M I'm moving on from that for now.
Galain, on 26 April 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:
Low posting might be something to look for, I agree.
Galain trying to steer us away from looking at the higher posters, perhaps?
Galain, on 27 April 2012 - 09:16 AM, said:
Tulas Shorn, on 27 April 2012 - 09:06 AM, said:
All of the issues with Meanas' post I have been over already. I still, and always will, think it is bad reasoning that because one person defends another they must be on the same team.
I'm a little confused that you think Sorrit and I are the same person simply because I seem to be agreeing with him. You said yourself that you find yourself liking my posts, does that mean we are the same person? Or even on the same team?
In terms of the post you quoted, I did say in a later post that the results were inconclusive. I thought it was worth looking into at the time, and no one else seemed interested in Sorrit's idea. While I agree that there will be more information later in the game, there was not much going on regarding possible lynches, and I thought it was worth bringing something to the table.
Sorry this has taken a long time to write up, I'm posting from work
I'm a little confused that you think Sorrit and I are the same person simply because I seem to be agreeing with him. You said yourself that you find yourself liking my posts, does that mean we are the same person? Or even on the same team?
In terms of the post you quoted, I did say in a later post that the results were inconclusive. I thought it was worth looking into at the time, and no one else seemed interested in Sorrit's idea. While I agree that there will be more information later in the game, there was not much going on regarding possible lynches, and I thought it was worth bringing something to the table.
Sorry this has taken a long time to write up, I'm posting from work

Are you speaking to me? I don't think you are the same person.
Galain, on 27 April 2012 - 09:17 AM, said:
Tulas what do you make of Kaschan?
Galain and Tulas have a bit of interaction, somwhat like Galain and Meanas did earlier (and they ended up both being zombies). I'm just highlighting this in case others think there might be something in more zombie alts having checked in early as the D'riss, Galain and Meanas ones all did (Tulas, Kaschan, and Sorrit being the other early beginners).
Tulas Shorn, on 27 April 2012 - 09:59 AM, said:
Serc, on 27 April 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:
Kaschan, on 27 April 2012 - 06:23 AM, said:
Serc, on 27 April 2012 - 06:20 AM, said:
Im guessing Ill be the first meal?
Look Mom, more WIFOM! This way if you don't die at night, you can say it is because you called me out. And if you do die at night, any team you might have can then claim I'm a zombie because you died. But what if you are recruited? Then we will never know!
Your confusing of the thread with bullshit and WIFOM is boring and poor play.
Of course this is all assuming you are not a Zombie.
The way Kaschan felt the need to finally add "assuming you are not a Zombie" after all his tirades against my thoughts felt forced. Didnt seem like he believed it one bit. In fact its as if he KNOWS in his mind I'm no Zombie because he would know. MAYBE.
But even if not, Kaschan is playing a very powerful role here. My guess is he's some type of Zombie leader the way he descibed the zombie threat. I fished for quite awhile, and he was the only one who stepped up.
Then again he could be one of the leaders of the three human factions for all I know, but more likely an independant.
My point is I think he's definately a major player, and I vote to take him out. I cant figure out Tulas, Sorrit, and crews game yet, but Kachan seems a bit too sure of himself.
Worse case scenario is he is the leader of a human faction. If we lynch him tonight its only a one in three chance he's your leader if your human, and Id take that chance because he's more than likely Zombie or Independant.
Either way I cant see a better option for day one.
remove vote
vote Kaschan
Because the night is Dark and Full of Terrors
What makes you think Kaschan has a high-powered role? I'm seeing defensiveness and anger, but nothing to give me an idea of what his role is.
And your comment about being a zombie leader does not make a lot of sense, unless you see him as a player controlling several zombie alts. From the information we have there is no organisation to the zombies, they are simply a horde. In addition, even if he is a zombie it seems unlikely that he would know all the other zombies, even a leader pretty much never knows everyone in his team.
So your guess is that he is a zombie leader. But then again he could be a leader. But also maybe an independent. Can you see that this might be a little confusing?
Tulas disagrees with the vote on Kaschan, BUT....
D, on 27 April 2012 - 11:01 AM, said:
Vote Kaschan
I think I am up to date as can be. He does seem to be confused about what's going on in the OP and a bit jumpy towards people who point a finger his way. My brain hurts I will be around later hopefully to have more of a read through the thread
I think I am up to date as can be. He does seem to be confused about what's going on in the OP and a bit jumpy towards people who point a finger his way. My brain hurts I will be around later hopefully to have more of a read through the thread
....D'riss then does vote for Kaschan, so there may be distancing from some alts, but perhaps it's looking likelier that not all these alts are the same person.
These are some of the quotes I lost earlier. There's quite a bit more interaction between Tulas and Kaschan early on, but as this is focusing on D/G/M I'm moving on from that for now.
#1049
Posted 02 May 2012 - 09:32 PM
Quotes from day 1:
- Meanas summarises and hints he doesn't understand why Kaschan is garnerning attention.
- Meanas and Galain have a little back and forth. Meanas 'links' Galain with Sorrit (clearly trying to set Sorrit up).
Does no one use their fucking brain anymore. I started this game out asking about how do the zombies have a chance when they only start as a two player team. Then someone pointed out there are more than 24 alts in the game. That lead to the discussion about who is running those alts. USE FUCKING LOGIC and you will see how I came to the conclusions that I came up with fucktards. Just because I'm a spamming, role playing, dick doesn't make my arguements an less valid. I'm unlikeable. I don't give a flying shit monkey if you like me or not. What I do care about is shit for brains idiots voting for people because they don't like how I chose to play the game not because they actually think I may not be on your team. You have no evidence that I may or may not be on your team. Just because you "think" I may not be on your team is not evidence.
What I would like to know is why people are not commenting on the groups of people that I pointed out and my subsequent vote on Fener. It seems my own arguement for what we are looking for is being turned back against me (Still no evidence of this). If it's so valid why are you looking to lynch me instead of looking to lynch someone that truly fits the profile. I showed you a group of 4 players that basically posted checking in posts within 1-2 minutes of each other and then nothing from most of the rest of them since then. You can't get much more poof of that unless they pull a Khell and post something in one alt when they intended to do so in another.
But if I'm soooo annoying you want to get rid of me be my guest. I fully inteded to roleplay myself to an early grave. Just do something smart after I'm dead and do what I say. You'll thank me for it later.
BBBBBbbbbbbbbaaaaaaaaaaaadddddddddd Bbbbrrrrrrraaaaaaaiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!
THIS is what i think is odd, Ruse.
This is after received some heat. He basically says he wants to be lynched but that self defeatest attitude shouldn't fly with mafia. He should fight tooth and nail not to be lynched imo. I still link him with Galain. Meh maybe we're all seeing with different eyes and looking for different things
For what reason? I just think you're talking out of your arse you've got nothing to go on and are trying to grasp some straws.
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- I've considerably snipped the post below - it contained thoughts of Ruse's on Serc and Kaschan. But we see Galain selecting Serc over Kaschan here.
I agree with you here Ruse. Kaschan's train built too fast when Serc received heat from Kaschan.
Vote Serc
- And then asking Kaschan for opinions.
- D'riss REMOVES HIS VOTE FROM KASCHAN, and places it on Sorrit. Was it ever a real vote?
- And here we have Galain fake-angry at fellow zombie D'riss.
What is this?!?! I don't even!
Fucking hell. There's a train building on Serc and you go and remove from Kaschan who was another viable lynch for today!!
I can't believe I completely forgot about this before - but there was a fairly broad consensus here that Galain was likely to be in the same faction as Sorrit, because he posted all those sheep pictures during Sorrit's lynch. Sneaky bastard.
- Meanas summarises and hints he doesn't understand why Kaschan is garnerning attention.
Meanas, on 27 April 2012 - 11:34 AM, said:
I come back and find that Sorrit has gone into hiding and that the discussion has moved on elsewhere. Galain has also voted along with Sorrit and posted nothing of note since coming back. I need to have a thorough read up and see why Kaschan has received so much heat.
- Meanas and Galain have a little back and forth. Meanas 'links' Galain with Sorrit (clearly trying to set Sorrit up).
Galain, on 27 April 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:
Meanas, on 27 April 2012 - 11:37 AM, said:
Telas, on 27 April 2012 - 11:31 AM, said:
Sorrit, on 26 April 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:
Does no one use their fucking brain anymore. I started this game out asking about how do the zombies have a chance when they only start as a two player team. Then someone pointed out there are more than 24 alts in the game. That lead to the discussion about who is running those alts. USE FUCKING LOGIC and you will see how I came to the conclusions that I came up with fucktards. Just because I'm a spamming, role playing, dick doesn't make my arguements an less valid. I'm unlikeable. I don't give a flying shit monkey if you like me or not. What I do care about is shit for brains idiots voting for people because they don't like how I chose to play the game not because they actually think I may not be on your team. You have no evidence that I may or may not be on your team. Just because you "think" I may not be on your team is not evidence.
What I would like to know is why people are not commenting on the groups of people that I pointed out and my subsequent vote on Fener. It seems my own arguement for what we are looking for is being turned back against me (Still no evidence of this). If it's so valid why are you looking to lynch me instead of looking to lynch someone that truly fits the profile. I showed you a group of 4 players that basically posted checking in posts within 1-2 minutes of each other and then nothing from most of the rest of them since then. You can't get much more poof of that unless they pull a Khell and post something in one alt when they intended to do so in another.
But if I'm soooo annoying you want to get rid of me be my guest. I fully inteded to roleplay myself to an early grave. Just do something smart after I'm dead and do what I say. You'll thank me for it later.
BBBBBbbbbbbbbaaaaaaaaaaaadddddddddd Bbbbrrrrrrraaaaaaaiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!
THIS is what i think is odd, Ruse.
This is after received some heat. He basically says he wants to be lynched but that self defeatest attitude shouldn't fly with mafia. He should fight tooth and nail not to be lynched imo. I still link him with Galain. Meh maybe we're all seeing with different eyes and looking for different things
For what reason? I just think you're talking out of your arse you've got nothing to go on and are trying to grasp some straws.
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- I've considerably snipped the post below - it contained thoughts of Ruse's on Serc and Kaschan. But we see Galain selecting Serc over Kaschan here.
Galain, on 27 April 2012 - 12:09 PM, said:
I agree with you here Ruse. Kaschan's train built too fast when Serc received heat from Kaschan.
Vote Serc
- And then asking Kaschan for opinions.
Galain, on 27 April 2012 - 12:11 PM, said:
I'm here Kaschan. What are your thought on Fener and Serc?
- D'riss REMOVES HIS VOTE FROM KASCHAN, and places it on Sorrit. Was it ever a real vote?
D, on 27 April 2012 - 02:32 PM, said:
Sorrit seems like the only lynch available, although i'd like to see Serc and Kaschan investigated further!
Remove Vote
Vote Sorrit
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Vote Sorrit
- And here we have Galain fake-angry at fellow zombie D'riss.
Galain, on 27 April 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:
D, on 27 April 2012 - 02:32 PM, said:
Sorrit seems like the only lynch available, although i'd like to see Serc and Kaschan investigated further!
Remove Vote
Vote Sorrit
Remove Vote
Vote Sorrit
What is this?!?! I don't even!
Fucking hell. There's a train building on Serc and you go and remove from Kaschan who was another viable lynch for today!!
I can't believe I completely forgot about this before - but there was a fairly broad consensus here that Galain was likely to be in the same faction as Sorrit, because he posted all those sheep pictures during Sorrit's lynch. Sneaky bastard.
#1050
Posted 02 May 2012 - 09:38 PM
Yes, I know, I've been missing for ages. I don't even really have an excuse, aside from work during the day, and then just too sleepy in the evening. So, have I missed anything?
No, don't worry, I've read up
I'm very glad to see we're getting somewhere, albeit at the loss of all healers. I have to say I immediately liked Anomandaris' theory, but then I have been suspicious of Serc from day 1. At the moment I have to admit that I think Rashan's theory on Korvalain is stronger, but I don't want us to suddenly discount Serc either.
No, don't worry, I've read up

#1051
Posted 02 May 2012 - 09:41 PM
Tellan, on 02 May 2012 - 09:32 PM, said:
- D'riss REMOVES HIS VOTE FROM KASCHAN, and places it on Sorrit. Was it ever a real vote?
- And here we have Galain fake-angry at fellow zombie D'riss.
What is this?!?! I don't even!
Fucking hell. There's a train building on Serc and you go and remove from Kaschan who was another viable lynch for today!!
D, on 27 April 2012 - 02:32 PM, said:
Sorrit seems like the only lynch available, although i'd like to see Serc and Kaschan investigated further!
Remove Vote
Vote Sorrit
Remove Vote
Vote Sorrit
- And here we have Galain fake-angry at fellow zombie D'riss.
Galain, on 27 April 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:
D, on 27 April 2012 - 02:32 PM, said:
Sorrit seems like the only lynch available, although i'd like to see Serc and Kaschan investigated further!
Remove Vote
Vote Sorrit
Remove Vote
Vote Sorrit
What is this?!?! I don't even!
Fucking hell. There's a train building on Serc and you go and remove from Kaschan who was another viable lynch for today!!
Two really good points here Tellan. First, based on the interaction of the zombies, we can't take any vote at face value. any vote could be distancing. 2nd, whoever the zombie handlers are, they are very crafty. interspersing conversation as well as fake fights throughout their posts. Nothing can really be taken at face value.
#1052
Posted 02 May 2012 - 09:48 PM
I'm up to page 18, over the weekend only the Meanas alt was really around, but a couple of interesting things came out of it:
- A bit of one-line prodding from Meanas to Tulas, like we've seen fairly often between the three zombie alts.
- Here's what's most interesting for me. Below you will see that all three either vote for or express a suspicion of Korbas. One and I might not think much of it, but all three leads me to conclude that my suspicion of Korbas yesterday was unfounded. I don't think Korbas is a zombie after this.
This is a very strange post. He says there are 4 alt-zombies controlled by 1 zom-boss. That can be read in two ways:
(a) One player controls 4 alts.
(b ) Zombies come in packs of 5, and there is one 'boss' alt for that set.
Now initially I read this as being (a), which looks plausible enough. But then he says he reckons that Shin must have had a DR of 4 (what? Shin quite clearly has a DR of 2 + 1 from his teammate's buff). If that's the case, then he must have meant (b ) rather than (a). And (b ) is something that I haven't seen anyone else even mention as a possibility. I think there was some inside knowledge on display here. Korbas knows how the Zombie teams work, and has let the slip on thread. In order for that to have happened, he must be a Zombie himself.
Vote Korbas
EDIT: Fixing the (b)s.
This is interesting. Maybe a slip by one of the zombie members.
- And in this last post we see Meanas doing the same as Galain earlier and liking the idea of hunting low posters.
I can see why this would be a valid argument at this point. I'd rather do this early on in the game rather than late on where the player participates a lot more and we have no read on them at all.
- A bit of one-line prodding from Meanas to Tulas, like we've seen fairly often between the three zombie alts.
Meanas, on 30 April 2012 - 10:17 AM, said:
- Here's what's most interesting for me. Below you will see that all three either vote for or express a suspicion of Korbas. One and I might not think much of it, but all three leads me to conclude that my suspicion of Korbas yesterday was unfounded. I don't think Korbas is a zombie after this.
Meanas, on 30 April 2012 - 10:27 AM, said:
Anomandaris, on 28 April 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:
Korbas, on 28 April 2012 - 01:47 AM, said:
On the zombie front, the death of a medic (DR-2+1) means that for a kill, not a recruit, Shin had to have been hit by at least 4 zombies. Given that I still believe it a group of 4 alt zombies, controlled by 1 zom-boss, it is likely that Shin also had another +1DR buff that would have prevented recruitment. So that ultimately the zombies of 5, killed the medic with DR of 4.
This is a very strange post. He says there are 4 alt-zombies controlled by 1 zom-boss. That can be read in two ways:
(a) One player controls 4 alts.
(b ) Zombies come in packs of 5, and there is one 'boss' alt for that set.
Now initially I read this as being (a), which looks plausible enough. But then he says he reckons that Shin must have had a DR of 4 (what? Shin quite clearly has a DR of 2 + 1 from his teammate's buff). If that's the case, then he must have meant (b ) rather than (a). And (b ) is something that I haven't seen anyone else even mention as a possibility. I think there was some inside knowledge on display here. Korbas knows how the Zombie teams work, and has let the slip on thread. In order for that to have happened, he must be a Zombie himself.
Vote Korbas
EDIT: Fixing the (b)s.
This is interesting. Maybe a slip by one of the zombie members.
D, on 30 April 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:
Serc really needs to come out and give up some more information, it is all ifs buts and maybes with him. He really has got the thread moving along and that is to be commended but he needs to explain himself. That being said I'm unsure whether he will come up zombie where as I see some merit in what Anomandaris has to say.
Vote Korbas
Vote Korbas
Galain, on 30 April 2012 - 02:29 PM, said:
Unless there is a better case thrown forward i'm liking Korbas the most out of what's available.
- And in this last post we see Meanas doing the same as Galain earlier and liking the idea of hunting low posters.
Meanas, on 30 April 2012 - 10:32 AM, said:
Emurlahn, on 28 April 2012 - 01:22 PM, said:
I'll be around more after the weekend so for now I want to see if some people want to actually play the game, namely Ampelas and Kalse. If one player is playing with multiple alts then Ampelas and Kalse MUST be looked at. I agree we could use mafia reasons to ferret out the zombies, like what Ano has just said about Korbas, and Olar about Galain BUT we shouldn't let a person with one post after 40 odd hours of game play stay alive and become prominent later on using RL issues.
Vote Ampelas
Vote Ampelas
I can see why this would be a valid argument at this point. I'd rather do this early on in the game rather than late on where the player participates a lot more and we have no read on them at all.
#1054
Posted 02 May 2012 - 09:51 PM
Oh yes, the other things that happened over the weekend involved the Meanas alt (as I said, he was the only one around) getting in a couple of fisticuffs with Fener and myself. Wouldn't want to be accused of skipping over anything.
#1055
Posted 02 May 2012 - 09:53 PM
It is Day 3. 16 hours and 48 minutes remaining
25 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn
13 votes to lynch, 13 votes to go to night.
3 Votes for Korvalain ( Rashan, Anthras, Karosis )
1 Vote for Serc ( Anomandaris )
Players not voted: Atrahal, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Kalse, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Ruse, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn
25 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn
13 votes to lynch, 13 votes to go to night.
3 Votes for Korvalain ( Rashan, Anthras, Karosis )
1 Vote for Serc ( Anomandaris )
Players not voted: Atrahal, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Kalse, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Ruse, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
#1056
Posted 02 May 2012 - 10:02 PM
Some Korvalain observations here. I'm not very far through the thread but these caught my attention.
Why do you think that? I think each zombie has to get a vote.
Why do you think that? I think each zombie has to get a vote.
So, you think some players have multiple votes??? That would be fucked up powerful.
Its a zombie horde. I don't think we can rule that possibility out. So we have two scenarios to watch:
1) Player has multiple alts but can only vote once
2) Player has multiple alts that can each vote seperately, maybe they can't all vote the same way?
I find the tone that Korvalain takes here odd, when looking back on it, not only because of the inclusion of the word 'horde' as pointed out by Rashan but because there is a certain amount of feeling behind their opinion of the mechanics.
I'm having a lot of trouble with my quotes here, sorry, but near the start of the day, real quick, we see Meanas and Galain apparently disagree over Sorrit, it looks like Galain is defending sorrit, which Sorrit is further called out on for and Meanas uses this to further his case and many start to pay attention and vote sorrit based on this and his train begins to build. So quite subtle manipulation from Meanas and Galain it would seem.
We have a post from Korvalain about timings:
I like this theory. So I would imagine that whoever is playing a group of zombies is probably posting from them in clusters. Need to watch the timings of posts.
And after this, there is a post showing the timings of Galain and Sorrit's post and a vote. Now, this was still quite early on in the thread and considering the manipulation seen by the confirmed zombies it seems to fit in with their style.
Korvalain, on 26 April 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:
Silanah, on 26 April 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:
Crosspost
Fair enough. Still, multiple alts with voting powers seem ridiculously powerful. And, it would be too obvious if certain alts didn't vote...
So, I'm guessing only one vote counts per multiple account controller? That should give us a little in terms of process of elimination.
Fair enough. Still, multiple alts with voting powers seem ridiculously powerful. And, it would be too obvious if certain alts didn't vote...
So, I'm guessing only one vote counts per multiple account controller? That should give us a little in terms of process of elimination.
Why do you think that? I think each zombie has to get a vote.
Korvalain, on 26 April 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:
Silanah, on 26 April 2012 - 02:02 PM, said:
Korvalain, on 26 April 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:
Silanah, on 26 April 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:
Crosspost
Fair enough. Still, multiple alts with voting powers seem ridiculously powerful. And, it would be too obvious if certain alts didn't vote...
So, I'm guessing only one vote counts per multiple account controller? That should give us a little in terms of process of elimination.
Fair enough. Still, multiple alts with voting powers seem ridiculously powerful. And, it would be too obvious if certain alts didn't vote...
So, I'm guessing only one vote counts per multiple account controller? That should give us a little in terms of process of elimination.
Why do you think that? I think each zombie has to get a vote.
So, you think some players have multiple votes??? That would be fucked up powerful.
Its a zombie horde. I don't think we can rule that possibility out. So we have two scenarios to watch:
1) Player has multiple alts but can only vote once
2) Player has multiple alts that can each vote seperately, maybe they can't all vote the same way?
I find the tone that Korvalain takes here odd, when looking back on it, not only because of the inclusion of the word 'horde' as pointed out by Rashan but because there is a certain amount of feeling behind their opinion of the mechanics.
I'm having a lot of trouble with my quotes here, sorry, but near the start of the day, real quick, we see Meanas and Galain apparently disagree over Sorrit, it looks like Galain is defending sorrit, which Sorrit is further called out on for and Meanas uses this to further his case and many start to pay attention and vote sorrit based on this and his train begins to build. So quite subtle manipulation from Meanas and Galain it would seem.
We have a post from Korvalain about timings:
Korvalain, on 26 April 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:
Ruse, on 26 April 2012 - 01:10 PM, said:
Cross postage! Actually, multiple alts really makes a lot of sense, how else are the zombies supposed to get the required numbers on a single person to kill/recruit the rest of us into zombiehood. So I don't think it's really fearmongering to suggest it, Silanah.
I like this theory. So I would imagine that whoever is playing a group of zombies is probably posting from them in clusters. Need to watch the timings of posts.
And after this, there is a post showing the timings of Galain and Sorrit's post and a vote. Now, this was still quite early on in the thread and considering the manipulation seen by the confirmed zombies it seems to fit in with their style.
#1057
Posted 02 May 2012 - 10:03 PM
The weird thing about the Korbas case is that Ano started the Korbas speculation. I did not have Ano down as a zombie. Were they just following up on a Human's Idea, hoping to get support? Or is Ano also zombified. I am leaning towards option 1. Or at least I hope so. Otherwise I really misread Ano.
This is a very strange post. He says there are 4 alt-zombies controlled by 1 zom-boss. That can be read in two ways:
(a) One player controls 4 alts.
(b ) Zombies come in packs of 5, and there is one 'boss' alt for that set.
Now initially I read this as being (a), which looks plausible enough. But then he says he reckons that Shin must have had a DR of 4 (what? Shin quite clearly has a DR of 2 + 1 from his teammate's buff). If that's the case, then he must have meant (b ) rather than (a). And (b ) is something that I haven't seen anyone else even mention as a possibility. I think there was some inside knowledge on display here. Korbas knows how the Zombie teams work, and has let the slip on thread. In order for that to have happened, he must be a Zombie himself.
Vote Korbas
EDIT: Fixing the (b)s.
Anomandaris, on 28 April 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:
Korbas, on 28 April 2012 - 01:47 AM, said:
On the zombie front, the death of a medic (DR-2+1) means that for a kill, not a recruit, Shin had to have been hit by at least 4 zombies. Given that I still believe it a group of 4 alt zombies, controlled by 1 zom-boss, it is likely that Shin also had another +1DR buff that would have prevented recruitment. So that ultimately the zombies of 5, killed the medic with DR of 4.
This is a very strange post. He says there are 4 alt-zombies controlled by 1 zom-boss. That can be read in two ways:
(a) One player controls 4 alts.
(b ) Zombies come in packs of 5, and there is one 'boss' alt for that set.
Now initially I read this as being (a), which looks plausible enough. But then he says he reckons that Shin must have had a DR of 4 (what? Shin quite clearly has a DR of 2 + 1 from his teammate's buff). If that's the case, then he must have meant (b ) rather than (a). And (b ) is something that I haven't seen anyone else even mention as a possibility. I think there was some inside knowledge on display here. Korbas knows how the Zombie teams work, and has let the slip on thread. In order for that to have happened, he must be a Zombie himself.
Vote Korbas
EDIT: Fixing the (b)s.
#1058
Posted 02 May 2012 - 10:09 PM
Thyrllan, on 26 April 2012 - 11:26 PM, said:
Serc, on 26 April 2012 - 10:30 PM, said:
Why worry about these zombies.
They seem fairly harmless to me.
They seem fairly harmless to me.
TGLOTTW (The Glorious Light of Thyrllan the Wise) would say that this is someone just crying out for attention. Notice the strange, almost-haiku-like comment, the lack of reasoning just begging for us to pick up on?
What's Serc's game? That's what I want to know?
Sheltatha Lore, on 26 April 2012 - 11:31 PM, said:
I is here bitches. Let get this party started the right way. Brains soup anyone. 

Omtose, on 26 April 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:
Question: Why are zombies so popular in culture?
'Cause, when you think about it, they're a bit rubbish really.
Now, a horde of killer guinea pigs, that would be something to behold!
'Cause, when you think about it, they're a bit rubbish really.
Now, a horde of killer guinea pigs, that would be something to behold!
Also, groups of three and timing, you could also look at these three players. All within a few minutes of each other. Admittedly i'm not sure about the whole timing thing, what with having been put in a group like that myself but I can't remember seeing these three mentioned in the analysis so far.
#1059
Posted 02 May 2012 - 10:19 PM
Here is another little Korv nugget I found. Yet another "I've got limited playtime, so when I low post don't think I am fishy" post
But, here's the good one. D'riss comes on and basically says 'Hey guys, Galain was symping Sorrit. He must be human! We shouldn't go after him" He's basically pointing out what the zombies did the previous day to make sure we saw it. To make sure that we noticed that galain symped Sorrit and is likely a Human. Crafty
You know that would be Galain right? Why not come out and say that is what you mean? This rubs me up the wrong way, I think we should be looking for the zombie horde/leader etc before trying to take out each other. I mean if Sorrit knew one other person he may of knew either the person above or below him
This means that Galain may be one of these two people but that does not mean he is the biggest threat to everyone. That is if you believe him to be one of the Burnbridges. I think we should look at what Sorrit said, after all Twelve is usually good at guessing right early on even if he doesn't survive, as we know he was of a human faction and therefore was actively trying to find anomolies within the pattern of the game and peoples play. I've heard a few people mention low posters but that does derive from one person controlling multiple alts rather than other options that could be on the table.
And then... look who hops on and says basically the same thing.
Sorry all, its the weekend and I've been pretty busy. I'll be back around more tonight and when we return to the normal week. While there has been a little discussion, I guess I didn't miss too much. I have to say that I completely disagree with this. I agree Galain looks like one of these two roles, so for the moment I'd like to leave him alone. Even if he's a faction leader, we need his help to eliminate the voodoo dude or zombies atm.
hmmmmm. the evidence is piling up. He basically states, in different words, exactly what D'riss said. And notice how they are both setting up a hard push for Serc on day 2 once the weekend freeze ends?
Korvalain, on 28 April 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:
I'm going to have limited time to play over the weekend. I'll take a look and post my thoughts in a few hours.
But, here's the good one. D'riss comes on and basically says 'Hey guys, Galain was symping Sorrit. He must be human! We shouldn't go after him" He's basically pointing out what the zombies did the previous day to make sure we saw it. To make sure that we noticed that galain symped Sorrit and is likely a Human. Crafty
D, on 29 April 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:
Serc, on 29 April 2012 - 07:10 AM, said:
Quote
Sorrit said in an earlier post(I'll find it later) that he knew another person in his faction. Remember he mentioned blackmail ,.etc.
And he was telling the truth. As he turned out to be the Dog from BurnBridgers, I'm pretty sure he knew at least one other person and that would have to be his master, Faction Leader of the BurnBRIDGERS.
So this person would possibly also know who played his dog, but not definate. So whoever defended Sorrit the hardest might have been faction leader of the BBs.
And he was telling the truth. As he turned out to be the Dog from BurnBridgers, I'm pretty sure he knew at least one other person and that would have to be his master, Faction Leader of the BurnBRIDGERS.
So this person would possibly also know who played his dog, but not definate. So whoever defended Sorrit the hardest might have been faction leader of the BBs.
You know that would be Galain right? Why not come out and say that is what you mean? This rubs me up the wrong way, I think we should be looking for the zombie horde/leader etc before trying to take out each other. I mean if Sorrit knew one other person he may of knew either the person above or below him
Quote
Sergeant Daniel Jackson - Sergeant of the squad BurnBridgers, cut off from command in this post apocalyptic world, just trying to survive and make it back to the rest of the army.
Defense Rating = 4
Finder
Benny - a border-collie who Sergeant Jackson found after becoming stranded, and decided to bring with him because of his sense of smell.
Defense Rating = 1
Limited BP
Corporal Mike Horvath - second in command of the BurnBridgers, classic tough guy and disciplinarian of the squad.
Defense Rating = 3
As long as he remains alive, his faction (including himself) gets +1 DR
DR manipulator
Defense Rating = 4
Finder
Benny - a border-collie who Sergeant Jackson found after becoming stranded, and decided to bring with him because of his sense of smell.
Defense Rating = 1
Limited BP
Corporal Mike Horvath - second in command of the BurnBridgers, classic tough guy and disciplinarian of the squad.
Defense Rating = 3
As long as he remains alive, his faction (including himself) gets +1 DR
DR manipulator
This means that Galain may be one of these two people but that does not mean he is the biggest threat to everyone. That is if you believe him to be one of the Burnbridges. I think we should look at what Sorrit said, after all Twelve is usually good at guessing right early on even if he doesn't survive, as we know he was of a human faction and therefore was actively trying to find anomolies within the pattern of the game and peoples play. I've heard a few people mention low posters but that does derive from one person controlling multiple alts rather than other options that could be on the table.
And then... look who hops on and says basically the same thing.
Korvalain, on 29 April 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:
Serc, on 29 April 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:
I suggest we go for what seems to be the most SURE target. If we are more sure weve found a zombie, we take it out. If not we can take down each others factions in the stead, especially if we have a really strong suspicion like Galain's seeming connection to Sorrit, who might also be a Faction Leader. Because you said it could be either Sergeant Daniel Jackson - Sergeant of the squad BurnBridgers OR Corporal Mike Horvath - second in command of the BurnBridgers that Sorrit knew as part of his faction. But seeing as he was a dog, a PET, to the Sergeant, I'd say odds are if he knew someone he'd HAVE to know his master, who is also the man who found him (Benny - a border-collie who Sergeant Jackson found after becoming stranded, and decided to bring with him because of his sense of smell.)
If Galain IS a Faction Leader for BBs, then everyone from both other factions, zombies, The Lone Avenger, Survivor, and even the Voodoo Master would all benefit from this.
But I'm more willing to see where everyone else stands before I commit to anything just yet.
If Galain IS a Faction Leader for BBs, then everyone from both other factions, zombies, The Lone Avenger, Survivor, and even the Voodoo Master would all benefit from this.
But I'm more willing to see where everyone else stands before I commit to anything just yet.
Sorry all, its the weekend and I've been pretty busy. I'll be back around more tonight and when we return to the normal week. While there has been a little discussion, I guess I didn't miss too much. I have to say that I completely disagree with this. I agree Galain looks like one of these two roles, so for the moment I'd like to leave him alone. Even if he's a faction leader, we need his help to eliminate the voodoo dude or zombies atm.
hmmmmm. the evidence is piling up. He basically states, in different words, exactly what D'riss said. And notice how they are both setting up a hard push for Serc on day 2 once the weekend freeze ends?
#1060
Posted 02 May 2012 - 10:21 PM
Osseric, on 02 May 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:
Thyrllan, on 26 April 2012 - 11:26 PM, said:
Serc, on 26 April 2012 - 10:30 PM, said:
Why worry about these zombies.
They seem fairly harmless to me.
They seem fairly harmless to me.
TGLOTTW (The Glorious Light of Thyrllan the Wise) would say that this is someone just crying out for attention. Notice the strange, almost-haiku-like comment, the lack of reasoning just begging for us to pick up on?
What's Serc's game? That's what I want to know?
Sheltatha Lore, on 26 April 2012 - 11:31 PM, said:
I is here bitches. Let get this party started the right way. Brains soup anyone. 

Omtose, on 26 April 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:
Question: Why are zombies so popular in culture?
'Cause, when you think about it, they're a bit rubbish really.
Now, a horde of killer guinea pigs, that would be something to behold!
'Cause, when you think about it, they're a bit rubbish really.
Now, a horde of killer guinea pigs, that would be something to behold!
Also, groups of three and timing, you could also look at these three players. All within a few minutes of each other. Admittedly i'm not sure about the whole timing thing, what with having been put in a group like that myself but I can't remember seeing these three mentioned in the analysis so far.
Omtose also brings up Horde
