Mafia 87 - Zombies Day 3 is running!
#1081
Posted 03 May 2012 - 12:36 AM
It is Day 3. 14 hours and 6 minutes remaining
25 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn
13 votes to lynch, 13 votes to go to night.
6 Votes for Korvalain ( Rashan, Anthras, Karosis, Tellan, Ruse, Anomandaris )
Players not voted: Atrahal, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Kalse, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Spite, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn
25 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn
13 votes to lynch, 13 votes to go to night.
6 Votes for Korvalain ( Rashan, Anthras, Karosis, Tellan, Ruse, Anomandaris )
Players not voted: Atrahal, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Kalse, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Spite, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
#1082
Posted 03 May 2012 - 01:15 AM
That looks like a good catch by Rashan, and Korv will likely be where my vote ends up. Going to do a more thourough read now.
#1083
Posted 03 May 2012 - 01:22 AM
Day will time out before I have another time I will for sure be able to post, so I will go with the very sound case on Korvalain.
Vote Korvalain
Vote Korvalain
#1084
Posted 03 May 2012 - 01:50 AM
Way to go Rashan!.... I miss the days when I could do rereads and catch shit like that...I'm going to get my vote in now, and will be around for the next hour or so. I have a night off from rehearsals tomorrow, so I will have a good 6 to 8 hrs to be in game.
vote Korvalain
vote Korvalain
#1085
Posted 03 May 2012 - 01:58 AM
Anomandaris, on 02 May 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:
Looks like the zombie horde is starting to be culled. That's a good sign
.
So, something was nagging me as I reread the OP. Here is how the Survivor role is described:
Higher time requirement? That tells me this isn't just a bog standard role - there must be something interesting going on under the covers. I started thinking about what roles require a lot of time to play, and one in particular stood out - FM. Think about it - it makes perfect sense for a role called 'Survivor'. The player would have to jump from alt to alt, matching up timezones where possible to avoid suspicion, adopting the posting styles of other players.
I had the idea a while back and filed it away, because I didn't think it made sense to fearmonger unnecessarily. However, there is now clear evidence that this is in play and so I thought it was worth bringing to everyone's attention. Look at Serc's posts since Day 3 started and it is very clear that it is not the same person behind the alt. Gone is the joking facade in all its facets. Instead, we have someone playing seriously, and furthermore, someone trying to influence the interpretation on the Night Scene. Here's his post about it:
I mean, the analysis seems perfectly reasonable, but it really doesn't fit with how Serc has played up to this point. I've highlighted the parts of his post where he talks about the Survivor role in bold. Doesn't it sound a bit like he's trying to define a role that he already knows stuff about?
If my theory is correct, then the Survivor was originally Liosan, but jumped into Serc last night. The CF we saw of Liosan would actually have been the information about the original player in Serc - eg. Serc before Day 3 was Gust Hubb, a healer in Rivera's group. It might be worth going back and taking a look at the style of Liosan's posts from Days 1 and 2 - do they match what Serc has said so far today? Unfortunately I don't have time to check at the moment.
There are still a couple of loose ends that need to be tied up though. You might ask, for example, why the FM would jump to someone who would be so difficult to mimic. It would be very difficult to follow the performance that Serc put on on Day 2. I hypothesize that the survivor can only jump every other night, and that having selected Serc as his target on Night 1 he had no choice but to make the jump today, regardless of how the Serc alt had been behaving. This might also go some way to explaining why Serc was acting out so much - if he knew that he was going to be usurped during Night 2, then you could imagine him deciding to do everything he could to make himself hard to replace seamlessly.
There's also the question of whether it's worth acting on this information. The Survivor's victory conditions are not mutually exclusive with the human factions, after all. But I would argue that an FM is a pretty dangerous player to keep around. If we leave it a couple of days he'll be gone and we'll have no idea where he is. I think we should act now.
Vote Serc

So, something was nagging me as I reread the OP. Here is how the Survivor role is described:
JLV, on 18 April 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:
Survivor - (Higher Time requirement, but very rewarding) - You only care about making it out of here alive. You hate all the bloody mess, and the whole situation is a complete nightmare for you. You just want to survive it and that is it.
Defense Rating = 3
Manipulate and coerce to victory
VC = Be alive when the game ends
Defense Rating = 3
Manipulate and coerce to victory
VC = Be alive when the game ends
Higher time requirement? That tells me this isn't just a bog standard role - there must be something interesting going on under the covers. I started thinking about what roles require a lot of time to play, and one in particular stood out - FM. Think about it - it makes perfect sense for a role called 'Survivor'. The player would have to jump from alt to alt, matching up timezones where possible to avoid suspicion, adopting the posting styles of other players.
I had the idea a while back and filed it away, because I didn't think it made sense to fearmonger unnecessarily. However, there is now clear evidence that this is in play and so I thought it was worth bringing to everyone's attention. Look at Serc's posts since Day 3 started and it is very clear that it is not the same person behind the alt. Gone is the joking facade in all its facets. Instead, we have someone playing seriously, and furthermore, someone trying to influence the interpretation on the Night Scene. Here's his post about it:
Serc, on 02 May 2012 - 08:25 AM, said:
Is that how you guys are interpreting the Night Scene, or are you guessing? I'm not disagreeing, I was just trying to figure out what happened, myself.
"Elsewhere, a group of zombies staggered into a sole human. Surely they would catch their pray tonight, with no ghostly apparitions to distract them. But, the prey fumbled with a small figure in his hands, causing one of their Zombie brethren to stumble from the shadows, dragging another through the glass window, down to their deaths. The distraction gave enough time for the human to escape, unharmed."
This paragraph had me thinking that is was more the Priest or Survivor than the VooDoo guy that killed the two zombies in defense.I dont even see the VooDoo master even needing zombies. Seems like he'd need something from the living. Could be wrong. And mainly because the next paragraph sounds more like the VooDoo Master, than this one. And this guy is holding a figure. I guess it could be some sort of VooDoo doll, but it could be a holy relic in the shape of a god as well. But I was thinking that its possible that it was the Survivor with the figure. His description for winning is written "Manipulate and coerce to victory." The method for killing seems like a cohersion of some sort, possibly. Cohersed the Zombie to attack another so he could "survive" by getting away. It's a stretch, just trying to cover all remotely possible explanations. I'd lean more towards the Priest here. Because in the next paragraph:
"Another horde found their target, never noticing they were short a member. But when they reached him, he communicated. The combined might of the Zombies, the hivemind, communicated back. It would not be good to feast upon the flesh of this human now, for he could open the path to a greater feast soon. They left. The zombies were beginning to hunger."
This one had me thinking that the zombies tried to attack the voodoo guy, but he somehow talked to them. And sinse they left convinced this target was going to "open the path to a greater feast," it was this guy that made me think of the voodoo demon summoning. Can't imagine anyone but the VooDoo Master being able to talk to the zombies. Plus he would be the only one with something to offer them. They could feast on every single human if the demon gets summoned, because it says if demon does get summoned, then VooDoo guy leaves, and demon kills all the mortals. Zombie Feast if you ask me. Can't imagine the priest fitting here. This one almost has to be the VooDoo Master, imo.
But there's no telling. I'm still trying to piece it all together. It could have been the voodoo guy in both paragraphs, I guess. Two seperate attacks? First one he kills two. Second time he convinces them to leave him be? I really cant see the VooDoo guy being responsible for the zombie deaths unless he's the same guy that then communicates with the second group. Also seems to be a stretch.
I'd lean towards Priest killing the two zombies(then even Survivor over VooDoo if not), and VooDoo doing the communicating.
Props to PS for the phrasing of scenes so far.
Also wanted to add that I also toyed with the notion that VooDoo might have killed the healer, but we still have 3 pairs of murderers. One failed. One hit Healer. One Hit Zombie. I'd suggest even that it was the Lone Avenger that killed the healer, possibly thinking Liosan a faction leader over VooDoo.
So we're gonna have Priest killing zombies, VooDoo killing any humans, Lone Avenger killing any humans, searching for a leader(although he might benefit killing zombies off with human factions first), and Survivor being the biggest unknown when it comes to his possibilities. Probably leaves VooDoo and Zombies equally as dangerous. Zombies can gank(maybe even gank themselves, who says they cant mistake a target), and VooDoo just needing enough maimed bodies to summon a demon that ends the game while not really having to worry about the zombies IF he was the one able to talk to them.
Wow. I feel like we're going into brain surgery. We need to work out some general consensus on what everyone can hopefully agree really happened.
"Elsewhere, a group of zombies staggered into a sole human. Surely they would catch their pray tonight, with no ghostly apparitions to distract them. But, the prey fumbled with a small figure in his hands, causing one of their Zombie brethren to stumble from the shadows, dragging another through the glass window, down to their deaths. The distraction gave enough time for the human to escape, unharmed."
This paragraph had me thinking that is was more the Priest or Survivor than the VooDoo guy that killed the two zombies in defense.I dont even see the VooDoo master even needing zombies. Seems like he'd need something from the living. Could be wrong. And mainly because the next paragraph sounds more like the VooDoo Master, than this one. And this guy is holding a figure. I guess it could be some sort of VooDoo doll, but it could be a holy relic in the shape of a god as well. But I was thinking that its possible that it was the Survivor with the figure. His description for winning is written "Manipulate and coerce to victory." The method for killing seems like a cohersion of some sort, possibly. Cohersed the Zombie to attack another so he could "survive" by getting away. It's a stretch, just trying to cover all remotely possible explanations. I'd lean more towards the Priest here. Because in the next paragraph:
"Another horde found their target, never noticing they were short a member. But when they reached him, he communicated. The combined might of the Zombies, the hivemind, communicated back. It would not be good to feast upon the flesh of this human now, for he could open the path to a greater feast soon. They left. The zombies were beginning to hunger."
This one had me thinking that the zombies tried to attack the voodoo guy, but he somehow talked to them. And sinse they left convinced this target was going to "open the path to a greater feast," it was this guy that made me think of the voodoo demon summoning. Can't imagine anyone but the VooDoo Master being able to talk to the zombies. Plus he would be the only one with something to offer them. They could feast on every single human if the demon gets summoned, because it says if demon does get summoned, then VooDoo guy leaves, and demon kills all the mortals. Zombie Feast if you ask me. Can't imagine the priest fitting here. This one almost has to be the VooDoo Master, imo.
But there's no telling. I'm still trying to piece it all together. It could have been the voodoo guy in both paragraphs, I guess. Two seperate attacks? First one he kills two. Second time he convinces them to leave him be? I really cant see the VooDoo guy being responsible for the zombie deaths unless he's the same guy that then communicates with the second group. Also seems to be a stretch.
I'd lean towards Priest killing the two zombies(then even Survivor over VooDoo if not), and VooDoo doing the communicating.
Props to PS for the phrasing of scenes so far.
Also wanted to add that I also toyed with the notion that VooDoo might have killed the healer, but we still have 3 pairs of murderers. One failed. One hit Healer. One Hit Zombie. I'd suggest even that it was the Lone Avenger that killed the healer, possibly thinking Liosan a faction leader over VooDoo.
So we're gonna have Priest killing zombies, VooDoo killing any humans, Lone Avenger killing any humans, searching for a leader(although he might benefit killing zombies off with human factions first), and Survivor being the biggest unknown when it comes to his possibilities. Probably leaves VooDoo and Zombies equally as dangerous. Zombies can gank(maybe even gank themselves, who says they cant mistake a target), and VooDoo just needing enough maimed bodies to summon a demon that ends the game while not really having to worry about the zombies IF he was the one able to talk to them.
Wow. I feel like we're going into brain surgery. We need to work out some general consensus on what everyone can hopefully agree really happened.
I mean, the analysis seems perfectly reasonable, but it really doesn't fit with how Serc has played up to this point. I've highlighted the parts of his post where he talks about the Survivor role in bold. Doesn't it sound a bit like he's trying to define a role that he already knows stuff about?
If my theory is correct, then the Survivor was originally Liosan, but jumped into Serc last night. The CF we saw of Liosan would actually have been the information about the original player in Serc - eg. Serc before Day 3 was Gust Hubb, a healer in Rivera's group. It might be worth going back and taking a look at the style of Liosan's posts from Days 1 and 2 - do they match what Serc has said so far today? Unfortunately I don't have time to check at the moment.
There are still a couple of loose ends that need to be tied up though. You might ask, for example, why the FM would jump to someone who would be so difficult to mimic. It would be very difficult to follow the performance that Serc put on on Day 2. I hypothesize that the survivor can only jump every other night, and that having selected Serc as his target on Night 1 he had no choice but to make the jump today, regardless of how the Serc alt had been behaving. This might also go some way to explaining why Serc was acting out so much - if he knew that he was going to be usurped during Night 2, then you could imagine him deciding to do everything he could to make himself hard to replace seamlessly.
There's also the question of whether it's worth acting on this information. The Survivor's victory conditions are not mutually exclusive with the human factions, after all. But I would argue that an FM is a pretty dangerous player to keep around. If we leave it a couple of days he'll be gone and we'll have no idea where he is. I think we should act now.
Vote Serc
I have not read anything in this game to lead me to believe that there is a FM in this game. I also have not seen any clues in the scenes that would lead me to believe that there is a FM in this game. I find the speculation now on day three that there is a FM to be suspicious and shady. It is something that is designed to create more WIFOM and to give cover. This to me sounds like someone who is pissed that a night action that they had failed last night.
#1086
Posted 03 May 2012 - 02:05 AM
Sheltatha Lore, on 03 May 2012 - 01:58 AM, said:
Anomandaris, on 02 May 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:
Looks like the zombie horde is starting to be culled. That's a good sign
.
So, something was nagging me as I reread the OP. Here is how the Survivor role is described:
Higher time requirement? That tells me this isn't just a bog standard role - there must be something interesting going on under the covers. I started thinking about what roles require a lot of time to play, and one in particular stood out - FM. Think about it - it makes perfect sense for a role called 'Survivor'. The player would have to jump from alt to alt, matching up timezones where possible to avoid suspicion, adopting the posting styles of other players.
I had the idea a while back and filed it away, because I didn't think it made sense to fearmonger unnecessarily. However, there is now clear evidence that this is in play and so I thought it was worth bringing to everyone's attention. Look at Serc's posts since Day 3 started and it is very clear that it is not the same person behind the alt. Gone is the joking facade in all its facets. Instead, we have someone playing seriously, and furthermore, someone trying to influence the interpretation on the Night Scene. Here's his post about it:
I mean, the analysis seems perfectly reasonable, but it really doesn't fit with how Serc has played up to this point. I've highlighted the parts of his post where he talks about the Survivor role in bold. Doesn't it sound a bit like he's trying to define a role that he already knows stuff about?
If my theory is correct, then the Survivor was originally Liosan, but jumped into Serc last night. The CF we saw of Liosan would actually have been the information about the original player in Serc - eg. Serc before Day 3 was Gust Hubb, a healer in Rivera's group. It might be worth going back and taking a look at the style of Liosan's posts from Days 1 and 2 - do they match what Serc has said so far today? Unfortunately I don't have time to check at the moment.
There are still a couple of loose ends that need to be tied up though. You might ask, for example, why the FM would jump to someone who would be so difficult to mimic. It would be very difficult to follow the performance that Serc put on on Day 2. I hypothesize that the survivor can only jump every other night, and that having selected Serc as his target on Night 1 he had no choice but to make the jump today, regardless of how the Serc alt had been behaving. This might also go some way to explaining why Serc was acting out so much - if he knew that he was going to be usurped during Night 2, then you could imagine him deciding to do everything he could to make himself hard to replace seamlessly.
There's also the question of whether it's worth acting on this information. The Survivor's victory conditions are not mutually exclusive with the human factions, after all. But I would argue that an FM is a pretty dangerous player to keep around. If we leave it a couple of days he'll be gone and we'll have no idea where he is. I think we should act now.
Vote Serc

So, something was nagging me as I reread the OP. Here is how the Survivor role is described:
JLV, on 18 April 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:
Survivor - (Higher Time requirement, but very rewarding) - You only care about making it out of here alive. You hate all the bloody mess, and the whole situation is a complete nightmare for you. You just want to survive it and that is it.
Defense Rating = 3
Manipulate and coerce to victory
VC = Be alive when the game ends
Defense Rating = 3
Manipulate and coerce to victory
VC = Be alive when the game ends
Higher time requirement? That tells me this isn't just a bog standard role - there must be something interesting going on under the covers. I started thinking about what roles require a lot of time to play, and one in particular stood out - FM. Think about it - it makes perfect sense for a role called 'Survivor'. The player would have to jump from alt to alt, matching up timezones where possible to avoid suspicion, adopting the posting styles of other players.
I had the idea a while back and filed it away, because I didn't think it made sense to fearmonger unnecessarily. However, there is now clear evidence that this is in play and so I thought it was worth bringing to everyone's attention. Look at Serc's posts since Day 3 started and it is very clear that it is not the same person behind the alt. Gone is the joking facade in all its facets. Instead, we have someone playing seriously, and furthermore, someone trying to influence the interpretation on the Night Scene. Here's his post about it:
Serc, on 02 May 2012 - 08:25 AM, said:
Is that how you guys are interpreting the Night Scene, or are you guessing? I'm not disagreeing, I was just trying to figure out what happened, myself.
"Elsewhere, a group of zombies staggered into a sole human. Surely they would catch their pray tonight, with no ghostly apparitions to distract them. But, the prey fumbled with a small figure in his hands, causing one of their Zombie brethren to stumble from the shadows, dragging another through the glass window, down to their deaths. The distraction gave enough time for the human to escape, unharmed."
This paragraph had me thinking that is was more the Priest or Survivor than the VooDoo guy that killed the two zombies in defense.I dont even see the VooDoo master even needing zombies. Seems like he'd need something from the living. Could be wrong. And mainly because the next paragraph sounds more like the VooDoo Master, than this one. And this guy is holding a figure. I guess it could be some sort of VooDoo doll, but it could be a holy relic in the shape of a god as well. But I was thinking that its possible that it was the Survivor with the figure. His description for winning is written "Manipulate and coerce to victory." The method for killing seems like a cohersion of some sort, possibly. Cohersed the Zombie to attack another so he could "survive" by getting away. It's a stretch, just trying to cover all remotely possible explanations. I'd lean more towards the Priest here. Because in the next paragraph:
"Another horde found their target, never noticing they were short a member. But when they reached him, he communicated. The combined might of the Zombies, the hivemind, communicated back. It would not be good to feast upon the flesh of this human now, for he could open the path to a greater feast soon. They left. The zombies were beginning to hunger."
This one had me thinking that the zombies tried to attack the voodoo guy, but he somehow talked to them. And sinse they left convinced this target was going to "open the path to a greater feast," it was this guy that made me think of the voodoo demon summoning. Can't imagine anyone but the VooDoo Master being able to talk to the zombies. Plus he would be the only one with something to offer them. They could feast on every single human if the demon gets summoned, because it says if demon does get summoned, then VooDoo guy leaves, and demon kills all the mortals. Zombie Feast if you ask me. Can't imagine the priest fitting here. This one almost has to be the VooDoo Master, imo.
But there's no telling. I'm still trying to piece it all together. It could have been the voodoo guy in both paragraphs, I guess. Two seperate attacks? First one he kills two. Second time he convinces them to leave him be? I really cant see the VooDoo guy being responsible for the zombie deaths unless he's the same guy that then communicates with the second group. Also seems to be a stretch.
I'd lean towards Priest killing the two zombies(then even Survivor over VooDoo if not), and VooDoo doing the communicating.
Props to PS for the phrasing of scenes so far.
Also wanted to add that I also toyed with the notion that VooDoo might have killed the healer, but we still have 3 pairs of murderers. One failed. One hit Healer. One Hit Zombie. I'd suggest even that it was the Lone Avenger that killed the healer, possibly thinking Liosan a faction leader over VooDoo.
So we're gonna have Priest killing zombies, VooDoo killing any humans, Lone Avenger killing any humans, searching for a leader(although he might benefit killing zombies off with human factions first), and Survivor being the biggest unknown when it comes to his possibilities. Probably leaves VooDoo and Zombies equally as dangerous. Zombies can gank(maybe even gank themselves, who says they cant mistake a target), and VooDoo just needing enough maimed bodies to summon a demon that ends the game while not really having to worry about the zombies IF he was the one able to talk to them.
Wow. I feel like we're going into brain surgery. We need to work out some general consensus on what everyone can hopefully agree really happened.
"Elsewhere, a group of zombies staggered into a sole human. Surely they would catch their pray tonight, with no ghostly apparitions to distract them. But, the prey fumbled with a small figure in his hands, causing one of their Zombie brethren to stumble from the shadows, dragging another through the glass window, down to their deaths. The distraction gave enough time for the human to escape, unharmed."
This paragraph had me thinking that is was more the Priest or Survivor than the VooDoo guy that killed the two zombies in defense.I dont even see the VooDoo master even needing zombies. Seems like he'd need something from the living. Could be wrong. And mainly because the next paragraph sounds more like the VooDoo Master, than this one. And this guy is holding a figure. I guess it could be some sort of VooDoo doll, but it could be a holy relic in the shape of a god as well. But I was thinking that its possible that it was the Survivor with the figure. His description for winning is written "Manipulate and coerce to victory." The method for killing seems like a cohersion of some sort, possibly. Cohersed the Zombie to attack another so he could "survive" by getting away. It's a stretch, just trying to cover all remotely possible explanations. I'd lean more towards the Priest here. Because in the next paragraph:
"Another horde found their target, never noticing they were short a member. But when they reached him, he communicated. The combined might of the Zombies, the hivemind, communicated back. It would not be good to feast upon the flesh of this human now, for he could open the path to a greater feast soon. They left. The zombies were beginning to hunger."
This one had me thinking that the zombies tried to attack the voodoo guy, but he somehow talked to them. And sinse they left convinced this target was going to "open the path to a greater feast," it was this guy that made me think of the voodoo demon summoning. Can't imagine anyone but the VooDoo Master being able to talk to the zombies. Plus he would be the only one with something to offer them. They could feast on every single human if the demon gets summoned, because it says if demon does get summoned, then VooDoo guy leaves, and demon kills all the mortals. Zombie Feast if you ask me. Can't imagine the priest fitting here. This one almost has to be the VooDoo Master, imo.
But there's no telling. I'm still trying to piece it all together. It could have been the voodoo guy in both paragraphs, I guess. Two seperate attacks? First one he kills two. Second time he convinces them to leave him be? I really cant see the VooDoo guy being responsible for the zombie deaths unless he's the same guy that then communicates with the second group. Also seems to be a stretch.
I'd lean towards Priest killing the two zombies(then even Survivor over VooDoo if not), and VooDoo doing the communicating.
Props to PS for the phrasing of scenes so far.
Also wanted to add that I also toyed with the notion that VooDoo might have killed the healer, but we still have 3 pairs of murderers. One failed. One hit Healer. One Hit Zombie. I'd suggest even that it was the Lone Avenger that killed the healer, possibly thinking Liosan a faction leader over VooDoo.
So we're gonna have Priest killing zombies, VooDoo killing any humans, Lone Avenger killing any humans, searching for a leader(although he might benefit killing zombies off with human factions first), and Survivor being the biggest unknown when it comes to his possibilities. Probably leaves VooDoo and Zombies equally as dangerous. Zombies can gank(maybe even gank themselves, who says they cant mistake a target), and VooDoo just needing enough maimed bodies to summon a demon that ends the game while not really having to worry about the zombies IF he was the one able to talk to them.
Wow. I feel like we're going into brain surgery. We need to work out some general consensus on what everyone can hopefully agree really happened.
I mean, the analysis seems perfectly reasonable, but it really doesn't fit with how Serc has played up to this point. I've highlighted the parts of his post where he talks about the Survivor role in bold. Doesn't it sound a bit like he's trying to define a role that he already knows stuff about?
If my theory is correct, then the Survivor was originally Liosan, but jumped into Serc last night. The CF we saw of Liosan would actually have been the information about the original player in Serc - eg. Serc before Day 3 was Gust Hubb, a healer in Rivera's group. It might be worth going back and taking a look at the style of Liosan's posts from Days 1 and 2 - do they match what Serc has said so far today? Unfortunately I don't have time to check at the moment.
There are still a couple of loose ends that need to be tied up though. You might ask, for example, why the FM would jump to someone who would be so difficult to mimic. It would be very difficult to follow the performance that Serc put on on Day 2. I hypothesize that the survivor can only jump every other night, and that having selected Serc as his target on Night 1 he had no choice but to make the jump today, regardless of how the Serc alt had been behaving. This might also go some way to explaining why Serc was acting out so much - if he knew that he was going to be usurped during Night 2, then you could imagine him deciding to do everything he could to make himself hard to replace seamlessly.
There's also the question of whether it's worth acting on this information. The Survivor's victory conditions are not mutually exclusive with the human factions, after all. But I would argue that an FM is a pretty dangerous player to keep around. If we leave it a couple of days he'll be gone and we'll have no idea where he is. I think we should act now.
Vote Serc
I have not read anything in this game to lead me to believe that there is a FM in this game. I also have not seen any clues in the scenes that would lead me to believe that there is a FM in this game. I find the speculation now on day three that there is a FM to be suspicious and shady. It is something that is designed to create more WIFOM and to give cover. This to me sounds like someone who is pissed that a night action that they had failed last night.
I don't know, I thought that the survivalist was an FM just from OP. It kinda makes sense.
#1087
Posted 03 May 2012 - 02:06 AM
It is Day 3. 12 hours and 35 minutes remaining
25 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn
13 votes to lynch, 13 votes to go to night.
8 Votes for Korvalain ( Rashan, Anthras, Karosis, Tellan, Ruse, Anomandaris, Fener, Spite )
Players not voted: Atrahal, Eloth, Emurlahn, Kalse, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn
25 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn
13 votes to lynch, 13 votes to go to night.
8 Votes for Korvalain ( Rashan, Anthras, Karosis, Tellan, Ruse, Anomandaris, Fener, Spite )
Players not voted: Atrahal, Eloth, Emurlahn, Kalse, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn
Only someone with this much power could make this many frittatas without breaking any eggs.
#1088
Posted 03 May 2012 - 02:13 AM
Just as I was about to post it Sheltatha shows up.
I had thought the one thing Rashan had missed commenting on in regards to early users of the term horde was Sheltatha, who until that last post had three maybe four posts of content (depending on whether you count agreeing to go after low posters as content or not).
I will continue rereading, but for the moment I'll add Sheltatha to my watch list (along with Mockra, Serc (still), Tulas, and well, the rest of you)
I had thought the one thing Rashan had missed commenting on in regards to early users of the term horde was Sheltatha, who until that last post had three maybe four posts of content (depending on whether you count agreeing to go after low posters as content or not).
I will continue rereading, but for the moment I'll add Sheltatha to my watch list (along with Mockra, Serc (still), Tulas, and well, the rest of you)
#1089
Posted 03 May 2012 - 02:15 AM
[quote name='Spite' timestamp='1336010712' post='957025']
I don't know, I thought that the survivalist was an FM just from OP. It kinda makes sense.
[quote]
Survivor - (Higher Time requirement, but very rewarding) - You only care about making it out of here alive. You hate all the bloody mess, and the whole situation is a complete nightmare for you. You just want to survive it and that is it.
Defense Rating = 3
Manipulate and coerce to victory
VC = Be alive when the game ends
Since when is Manipulate and coerce code for FM. I think that is to basic. It seems to me that the survivor is someone who can probably do lover links and get information and finds. I could see a role where he does that and for the successful (with humans) links he gets a bump in DR. The role would be tough but very rewarding because you would have to play the game and players.
A FM has to impersonate another player he doesn't have to manipulate and coerce other players. A FM in this game would be next to impossible role to win. At the start 1/3 of the players you can't jump into. I don't buy it.
But I do like the good catch by Rashan
Vote Korv
I don't know, I thought that the survivalist was an FM just from OP. It kinda makes sense.
[quote]
Survivor - (Higher Time requirement, but very rewarding) - You only care about making it out of here alive. You hate all the bloody mess, and the whole situation is a complete nightmare for you. You just want to survive it and that is it.
Defense Rating = 3
Manipulate and coerce to victory
VC = Be alive when the game ends
Since when is Manipulate and coerce code for FM. I think that is to basic. It seems to me that the survivor is someone who can probably do lover links and get information and finds. I could see a role where he does that and for the successful (with humans) links he gets a bump in DR. The role would be tough but very rewarding because you would have to play the game and players.
A FM has to impersonate another player he doesn't have to manipulate and coerce other players. A FM in this game would be next to impossible role to win. At the start 1/3 of the players you can't jump into. I don't buy it.
But I do like the good catch by Rashan
Vote Korv
#1090
Posted 03 May 2012 - 02:15 AM
Spite, on 03 May 2012 - 02:05 AM, said:
Sheltatha Lore, on 03 May 2012 - 01:58 AM, said:
Anomandaris, on 02 May 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:
Looks like the zombie horde is starting to be culled. That's a good sign
.
So, something was nagging me as I reread the OP. Here is how the Survivor role is described:
Higher time requirement? That tells me this isn't just a bog standard role - there must be something interesting going on under the covers. I started thinking about what roles require a lot of time to play, and one in particular stood out - FM. Think about it - it makes perfect sense for a role called 'Survivor'. The player would have to jump from alt to alt, matching up timezones where possible to avoid suspicion, adopting the posting styles of other players.
I had the idea a while back and filed it away, because I didn't think it made sense to fearmonger unnecessarily. However, there is now clear evidence that this is in play and so I thought it was worth bringing to everyone's attention. Look at Serc's posts since Day 3 started and it is very clear that it is not the same person behind the alt. Gone is the joking facade in all its facets. Instead, we have someone playing seriously, and furthermore, someone trying to influence the interpretation on the Night Scene. Here's his post about it:
I mean, the analysis seems perfectly reasonable, but it really doesn't fit with how Serc has played up to this point. I've highlighted the parts of his post where he talks about the Survivor role in bold. Doesn't it sound a bit like he's trying to define a role that he already knows stuff about?
If my theory is correct, then the Survivor was originally Liosan, but jumped into Serc last night. The CF we saw of Liosan would actually have been the information about the original player in Serc - eg. Serc before Day 3 was Gust Hubb, a healer in Rivera's group. It might be worth going back and taking a look at the style of Liosan's posts from Days 1 and 2 - do they match what Serc has said so far today? Unfortunately I don't have time to check at the moment.
There are still a couple of loose ends that need to be tied up though. You might ask, for example, why the FM would jump to someone who would be so difficult to mimic. It would be very difficult to follow the performance that Serc put on on Day 2. I hypothesize that the survivor can only jump every other night, and that having selected Serc as his target on Night 1 he had no choice but to make the jump today, regardless of how the Serc alt had been behaving. This might also go some way to explaining why Serc was acting out so much - if he knew that he was going to be usurped during Night 2, then you could imagine him deciding to do everything he could to make himself hard to replace seamlessly.
There's also the question of whether it's worth acting on this information. The Survivor's victory conditions are not mutually exclusive with the human factions, after all. But I would argue that an FM is a pretty dangerous player to keep around. If we leave it a couple of days he'll be gone and we'll have no idea where he is. I think we should act now.
Vote Serc

So, something was nagging me as I reread the OP. Here is how the Survivor role is described:
JLV, on 18 April 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:
Survivor - (Higher Time requirement, but very rewarding) - You only care about making it out of here alive. You hate all the bloody mess, and the whole situation is a complete nightmare for you. You just want to survive it and that is it.
Defense Rating = 3
Manipulate and coerce to victory
VC = Be alive when the game ends
Defense Rating = 3
Manipulate and coerce to victory
VC = Be alive when the game ends
Higher time requirement? That tells me this isn't just a bog standard role - there must be something interesting going on under the covers. I started thinking about what roles require a lot of time to play, and one in particular stood out - FM. Think about it - it makes perfect sense for a role called 'Survivor'. The player would have to jump from alt to alt, matching up timezones where possible to avoid suspicion, adopting the posting styles of other players.
I had the idea a while back and filed it away, because I didn't think it made sense to fearmonger unnecessarily. However, there is now clear evidence that this is in play and so I thought it was worth bringing to everyone's attention. Look at Serc's posts since Day 3 started and it is very clear that it is not the same person behind the alt. Gone is the joking facade in all its facets. Instead, we have someone playing seriously, and furthermore, someone trying to influence the interpretation on the Night Scene. Here's his post about it:
Serc, on 02 May 2012 - 08:25 AM, said:
Is that how you guys are interpreting the Night Scene, or are you guessing? I'm not disagreeing, I was just trying to figure out what happened, myself.
"Elsewhere, a group of zombies staggered into a sole human. Surely they would catch their pray tonight, with no ghostly apparitions to distract them. But, the prey fumbled with a small figure in his hands, causing one of their Zombie brethren to stumble from the shadows, dragging another through the glass window, down to their deaths. The distraction gave enough time for the human to escape, unharmed."
This paragraph had me thinking that is was more the Priest or Survivor than the VooDoo guy that killed the two zombies in defense.I dont even see the VooDoo master even needing zombies. Seems like he'd need something from the living. Could be wrong. And mainly because the next paragraph sounds more like the VooDoo Master, than this one. And this guy is holding a figure. I guess it could be some sort of VooDoo doll, but it could be a holy relic in the shape of a god as well. But I was thinking that its possible that it was the Survivor with the figure. His description for winning is written "Manipulate and coerce to victory." The method for killing seems like a cohersion of some sort, possibly. Cohersed the Zombie to attack another so he could "survive" by getting away. It's a stretch, just trying to cover all remotely possible explanations. I'd lean more towards the Priest here. Because in the next paragraph:
"Another horde found their target, never noticing they were short a member. But when they reached him, he communicated. The combined might of the Zombies, the hivemind, communicated back. It would not be good to feast upon the flesh of this human now, for he could open the path to a greater feast soon. They left. The zombies were beginning to hunger."
This one had me thinking that the zombies tried to attack the voodoo guy, but he somehow talked to them. And sinse they left convinced this target was going to "open the path to a greater feast," it was this guy that made me think of the voodoo demon summoning. Can't imagine anyone but the VooDoo Master being able to talk to the zombies. Plus he would be the only one with something to offer them. They could feast on every single human if the demon gets summoned, because it says if demon does get summoned, then VooDoo guy leaves, and demon kills all the mortals. Zombie Feast if you ask me. Can't imagine the priest fitting here. This one almost has to be the VooDoo Master, imo.
But there's no telling. I'm still trying to piece it all together. It could have been the voodoo guy in both paragraphs, I guess. Two seperate attacks? First one he kills two. Second time he convinces them to leave him be? I really cant see the VooDoo guy being responsible for the zombie deaths unless he's the same guy that then communicates with the second group. Also seems to be a stretch.
I'd lean towards Priest killing the two zombies(then even Survivor over VooDoo if not), and VooDoo doing the communicating.
Props to PS for the phrasing of scenes so far.
Also wanted to add that I also toyed with the notion that VooDoo might have killed the healer, but we still have 3 pairs of murderers. One failed. One hit Healer. One Hit Zombie. I'd suggest even that it was the Lone Avenger that killed the healer, possibly thinking Liosan a faction leader over VooDoo.
So we're gonna have Priest killing zombies, VooDoo killing any humans, Lone Avenger killing any humans, searching for a leader(although he might benefit killing zombies off with human factions first), and Survivor being the biggest unknown when it comes to his possibilities. Probably leaves VooDoo and Zombies equally as dangerous. Zombies can gank(maybe even gank themselves, who says they cant mistake a target), and VooDoo just needing enough maimed bodies to summon a demon that ends the game while not really having to worry about the zombies IF he was the one able to talk to them.
Wow. I feel like we're going into brain surgery. We need to work out some general consensus on what everyone can hopefully agree really happened.
"Elsewhere, a group of zombies staggered into a sole human. Surely they would catch their pray tonight, with no ghostly apparitions to distract them. But, the prey fumbled with a small figure in his hands, causing one of their Zombie brethren to stumble from the shadows, dragging another through the glass window, down to their deaths. The distraction gave enough time for the human to escape, unharmed."
This paragraph had me thinking that is was more the Priest or Survivor than the VooDoo guy that killed the two zombies in defense.I dont even see the VooDoo master even needing zombies. Seems like he'd need something from the living. Could be wrong. And mainly because the next paragraph sounds more like the VooDoo Master, than this one. And this guy is holding a figure. I guess it could be some sort of VooDoo doll, but it could be a holy relic in the shape of a god as well. But I was thinking that its possible that it was the Survivor with the figure. His description for winning is written "Manipulate and coerce to victory." The method for killing seems like a cohersion of some sort, possibly. Cohersed the Zombie to attack another so he could "survive" by getting away. It's a stretch, just trying to cover all remotely possible explanations. I'd lean more towards the Priest here. Because in the next paragraph:
"Another horde found their target, never noticing they were short a member. But when they reached him, he communicated. The combined might of the Zombies, the hivemind, communicated back. It would not be good to feast upon the flesh of this human now, for he could open the path to a greater feast soon. They left. The zombies were beginning to hunger."
This one had me thinking that the zombies tried to attack the voodoo guy, but he somehow talked to them. And sinse they left convinced this target was going to "open the path to a greater feast," it was this guy that made me think of the voodoo demon summoning. Can't imagine anyone but the VooDoo Master being able to talk to the zombies. Plus he would be the only one with something to offer them. They could feast on every single human if the demon gets summoned, because it says if demon does get summoned, then VooDoo guy leaves, and demon kills all the mortals. Zombie Feast if you ask me. Can't imagine the priest fitting here. This one almost has to be the VooDoo Master, imo.
But there's no telling. I'm still trying to piece it all together. It could have been the voodoo guy in both paragraphs, I guess. Two seperate attacks? First one he kills two. Second time he convinces them to leave him be? I really cant see the VooDoo guy being responsible for the zombie deaths unless he's the same guy that then communicates with the second group. Also seems to be a stretch.
I'd lean towards Priest killing the two zombies(then even Survivor over VooDoo if not), and VooDoo doing the communicating.
Props to PS for the phrasing of scenes so far.
Also wanted to add that I also toyed with the notion that VooDoo might have killed the healer, but we still have 3 pairs of murderers. One failed. One hit Healer. One Hit Zombie. I'd suggest even that it was the Lone Avenger that killed the healer, possibly thinking Liosan a faction leader over VooDoo.
So we're gonna have Priest killing zombies, VooDoo killing any humans, Lone Avenger killing any humans, searching for a leader(although he might benefit killing zombies off with human factions first), and Survivor being the biggest unknown when it comes to his possibilities. Probably leaves VooDoo and Zombies equally as dangerous. Zombies can gank(maybe even gank themselves, who says they cant mistake a target), and VooDoo just needing enough maimed bodies to summon a demon that ends the game while not really having to worry about the zombies IF he was the one able to talk to them.
Wow. I feel like we're going into brain surgery. We need to work out some general consensus on what everyone can hopefully agree really happened.
I mean, the analysis seems perfectly reasonable, but it really doesn't fit with how Serc has played up to this point. I've highlighted the parts of his post where he talks about the Survivor role in bold. Doesn't it sound a bit like he's trying to define a role that he already knows stuff about?
If my theory is correct, then the Survivor was originally Liosan, but jumped into Serc last night. The CF we saw of Liosan would actually have been the information about the original player in Serc - eg. Serc before Day 3 was Gust Hubb, a healer in Rivera's group. It might be worth going back and taking a look at the style of Liosan's posts from Days 1 and 2 - do they match what Serc has said so far today? Unfortunately I don't have time to check at the moment.
There are still a couple of loose ends that need to be tied up though. You might ask, for example, why the FM would jump to someone who would be so difficult to mimic. It would be very difficult to follow the performance that Serc put on on Day 2. I hypothesize that the survivor can only jump every other night, and that having selected Serc as his target on Night 1 he had no choice but to make the jump today, regardless of how the Serc alt had been behaving. This might also go some way to explaining why Serc was acting out so much - if he knew that he was going to be usurped during Night 2, then you could imagine him deciding to do everything he could to make himself hard to replace seamlessly.
There's also the question of whether it's worth acting on this information. The Survivor's victory conditions are not mutually exclusive with the human factions, after all. But I would argue that an FM is a pretty dangerous player to keep around. If we leave it a couple of days he'll be gone and we'll have no idea where he is. I think we should act now.
Vote Serc
I have not read anything in this game to lead me to believe that there is a FM in this game. I also have not seen any clues in the scenes that would lead me to believe that there is a FM in this game. I find the speculation now on day three that there is a FM to be suspicious and shady. It is something that is designed to create more WIFOM and to give cover. This to me sounds like someone who is pissed that a night action that they had failed last night.
I don't know, I thought that the survivalist was an FM just from OP. It kinda makes sense.
My first thought on the survivor role was FM or serial killer. From the scenes I haven't seen a serial killer active, so I have ruled that out. An FM jumping to Serc seems unlikely, but I won't rule out there being one in the game.
#1091
Posted 03 May 2012 - 02:22 AM
Seems like everyone here is eager for a quick lynch..thank the lord.
While I think pegging zombies by their use of the word "horde" is bs, the investigation by Rashan was solid. I'm convinced.
Even if it's wrong, night will bring answers.
vote Korvalain
While I think pegging zombies by their use of the word "horde" is bs, the investigation by Rashan was solid. I'm convinced.
Even if it's wrong, night will bring answers.
vote Korvalain
#1092
Posted 03 May 2012 - 02:25 AM
Eloth, on 03 May 2012 - 02:13 AM, said:
Just as I was about to post it Sheltatha shows up.
I had thought the one thing Rashan had missed commenting on in regards to early users of the term horde was Sheltatha, who until that last post had three maybe four posts of content (depending on whether you count agreeing to go after low posters as content or not).
I will continue rereading, but for the moment I'll add Sheltatha to my watch list (along with Mockra, Serc (still), Tulas, and well, the rest of you)
I had thought the one thing Rashan had missed commenting on in regards to early users of the term horde was Sheltatha, who until that last post had three maybe four posts of content (depending on whether you count agreeing to go after low posters as content or not).
I will continue rereading, but for the moment I'll add Sheltatha to my watch list (along with Mockra, Serc (still), Tulas, and well, the rest of you)
Personally I watch The Walking Dead. So a wandering horde of zombies is kind of what they are. What where you about to post when I showed up?
#1093
Posted 03 May 2012 - 02:28 AM
Checking back in as I said I would. To those that say you are leery of people that think they know who Serc is. I think i know who he is. Based soley on one comment by Serc, a post by PS that substantiates his post and a review of the human roles provided in the OP. That is all. I don't know for certain.. I could be wrong, he could be the priest or the demon lord, survivor or avenger dude. Either way, I don't think he is a Zombie and therefore he isn't a priority for me at the moment. So @ Kaschan who is insinuating that Serc is being protected (I can only assume he means by me), you can take the aforementioned bag of dicks and munch away. I am in the zombie killin business at the moment.. If we get a Korv lynch and he comes back zombie I am gonna be gunning for Mockra next because I bet my incredibly large left nut that he is also a zombie. I just want to let you know my strategy so you can't fall back on saying Serc is being protected tomorrow as well because i care fuck-all for Serc and his retarded posting sprees that make 0 sense.
#1094
Posted 03 May 2012 - 02:29 AM
Regarding the FM, I agree with ano that it is def. a possibility that the survivor is a FM role. That wouldn't surprise me one bit.
#1095
Posted 03 May 2012 - 02:46 AM
Sheltatha Lore, on 03 May 2012 - 02:25 AM, said:
Eloth, on 03 May 2012 - 02:13 AM, said:
Just as I was about to post it Sheltatha shows up.
I had thought the one thing Rashan had missed commenting on in regards to early users of the term horde was Sheltatha, who until that last post had three maybe four posts of content (depending on whether you count agreeing to go after low posters as content or not).
I will continue rereading, but for the moment I'll add Sheltatha to my watch list (along with Mockra, Serc (still), Tulas, and well, the rest of you)
I had thought the one thing Rashan had missed commenting on in regards to early users of the term horde was Sheltatha, who until that last post had three maybe four posts of content (depending on whether you count agreeing to go after low posters as content or not).
I will continue rereading, but for the moment I'll add Sheltatha to my watch list (along with Mockra, Serc (still), Tulas, and well, the rest of you)
Personally I watch The Walking Dead. So a wandering horde of zombies is kind of what they are. What where you about to post when I showed up?
Basically the same thing, that in Rashan's analysis of those who had used the word horde early on that you had been left out. Considering you had had few posts with content past that it would not surprise me if you were a zombie. I was going to go to through the effort of quoting all of your posts, to show how little content there was, but that seemed pointless at the time since you were on and may have added as I was quoting.
Edit: and I generally think mob or throng
This post has been edited by Eloth: 03 May 2012 - 02:48 AM
#1096
Posted 03 May 2012 - 02:49 AM
Eloth, on 03 May 2012 - 02:13 AM, said:
Just as I was about to post it Sheltatha shows up.
I had thought the one thing Rashan had missed commenting on in regards to early users of the term horde was Sheltatha, who until that last post had three maybe four posts of content (depending on whether you count agreeing to go after low posters as content or not).
I will continue rereading, but for the moment I'll add Sheltatha to my watch list (along with Mockra, Serc (still), Tulas, and well, the rest of you)
I had thought the one thing Rashan had missed commenting on in regards to early users of the term horde was Sheltatha, who until that last post had three maybe four posts of content (depending on whether you count agreeing to go after low posters as content or not).
I will continue rereading, but for the moment I'll add Sheltatha to my watch list (along with Mockra, Serc (still), Tulas, and well, the rest of you)
I don't know if I would say that I was a early user of the word. After all it was first used in post
955020 - Korve
then
955074 - Tennes
This is actually my favorite use of the word horde in this game.
955202 - Omtose
Then back on target
955373 - Tulas Shorn
955528 - Korv
955924 - Driss
955977 - I mention it
955995 - Mockra
956274 - Tulas
These are all of the posts where horde is used up to the point where PS gives a Zombie CF. After reading all of these posts I am almost positive that Rashan is right and that Korv is a zombie. If you take a look at them several of the posts are about how zombies have to have a full vote. He kept coming back to that kind of like of how when people have a role they want other people to speculate on it. The other one who did that was Tulas.
Here in this post
Tulas Shorn, on 27 April 2012 - 09:59 AM, said:
Serc, on 27 April 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:
Kaschan, on 27 April 2012 - 06:23 AM, said:
Serc, on 27 April 2012 - 06:20 AM, said:
Im guessing Ill be the first meal?
Look Mom, more WIFOM! This way if you don't die at night, you can say it is because you called me out. And if you do die at night, any team you might have can then claim I'm a zombie because you died. But what if you are recruited? Then we will never know!
Your confusing of the thread with bullshit and WIFOM is boring and poor play.
Of course this is all assuming you are not a Zombie.
The way Kaschan felt the need to finally add "assuming you are not a Zombie" after all his tirades against my thoughts felt forced. Didnt seem like he believed it one bit. In fact its as if he KNOWS in his mind I'm no Zombie because he would know. MAYBE.
But even if not, Kaschan is playing a very powerful role here. My guess is he's some type of Zombie leader the way he descibed the zombie threat. I fished for quite awhile, and he was the only one who stepped up.
Then again he could be one of the leaders of the three human factions for all I know, but more likely an independant.
My point is I think he's definately a major player, and I vote to take him out. I cant figure out Tulas, Sorrit, and crews game yet, but Kachan seems a bit too sure of himself.
Worse case scenario is he is the leader of a human faction. If we lynch him tonight its only a one in three chance he's your leader if your human, and Id take that chance because he's more than likely Zombie or Independant.
Either way I cant see a better option for day one.
remove vote
vote Kaschan
Because the night is Dark and Full of Terrors
What makes you think Kaschan has a high-powered role? I'm seeing defensiveness and anger, but nothing to give me an idea of what his role is.
And your comment about being a zombie leader does not make a lot of sense, unless you see him as a player controlling several zombie alts. From the information we have there is no organisation to the zombies, they are simply a horde. In addition, even if he is a zombie it seems unlikely that he would know all the other zombies, even a leader pretty much never knows everyone in his team.
So your guess is that he is a zombie leader. But then again he could be a leader. But also maybe an independent. Can you see that this might be a little confusing?
To me that paragraph smacks of someone who is sure how the zombie HORDE

#1097
Posted 03 May 2012 - 02:52 AM
Rashan, on 03 May 2012 - 02:28 AM, said:
Checking back in as I said I would. To those that say you are leery of people that think they know who Serc is. I think i know who he is. Based soley on one comment by Serc, a post by PS that substantiates his post and a review of the human roles provided in the OP. That is all. I don't know for certain.. I could be wrong, he could be the priest or the demon lord, survivor or avenger dude. Either way, I don't think he is a Zombie and therefore he isn't a priority for me at the moment. So @ Kaschan who is insinuating that Serc is being protected (I can only assume he means by me), you can take the aforementioned bag of dicks and munch away. I am in the zombie killin business at the moment.. If we get a Korv lynch and he comes back zombie I am gonna be gunning for Mockra next because I bet my incredibly large left nut that he is also a zombie. I just want to let you know my strategy so you can't fall back on saying Serc is being protected tomorrow as well because i care fuck-all for Serc and his retarded posting sprees that make 0 sense.
I never mentioned you at all when I said I think Serc was being protected. Feeling a little guilty/defensive much?
#1098
Posted 03 May 2012 - 02:56 AM
Rashan, on 03 May 2012 - 02:29 AM, said:
Regarding the FM, I agree with ano that it is def. a possibility that the survivor is a FM role. That wouldn't surprise me one bit.
I would be very disappointed in JLV if the survivor is a FM. Thinking about it some more. The FM would have to be able to jump into anyone regardless of their DR which would negate a vital part of his game. Second if the FM couldn't jump in zombies (they are already dead) and the Voodoo doctor. Then he also shouldn't be able to jump into leaders. They would have to high of a DR. So that would leave only half of the roles available to be jumped into. But if the FM could jump into everyone then he should be the number one target. I really don't see there being a FM in this game.
#1099
Posted 03 May 2012 - 02:58 AM
Kaschan, on 03 May 2012 - 02:52 AM, said:
Rashan, on 03 May 2012 - 02:28 AM, said:
Checking back in as I said I would. To those that say you are leery of people that think they know who Serc is. I think i know who he is. Based soley on one comment by Serc, a post by PS that substantiates his post and a review of the human roles provided in the OP. That is all. I don't know for certain.. I could be wrong, he could be the priest or the demon lord, survivor or avenger dude. Either way, I don't think he is a Zombie and therefore he isn't a priority for me at the moment. So @ Kaschan who is insinuating that Serc is being protected (I can only assume he means by me), you can take the aforementioned bag of dicks and munch away. I am in the zombie killin business at the moment.. If we get a Korv lynch and he comes back zombie I am gonna be gunning for Mockra next because I bet my incredibly large left nut that he is also a zombie. I just want to let you know my strategy so you can't fall back on saying Serc is being protected tomorrow as well because i care fuck-all for Serc and his retarded posting sprees that make 0 sense.
I never mentioned you at all when I said I think Serc was being protected. Feeling a little guilty/defensive much?
I thought that he was reading between the lines. Kind of like how it you where insinuating.
Also Rash does that mean that your right nut is incredibly small? I ask because my nuts are the same size.
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Posted 03 May 2012 - 03:10 AM
Sheltatha Lore, on 03 May 2012 - 02:49 AM, said:
Eloth, on 03 May 2012 - 02:13 AM, said:
Just as I was about to post it Sheltatha shows up.
I had thought the one thing Rashan had missed commenting on in regards to early users of the term horde was Sheltatha, who until that last post had three maybe four posts of content (depending on whether you count agreeing to go after low posters as content or not).
I will continue rereading, but for the moment I'll add Sheltatha to my watch list (along with Mockra, Serc (still), Tulas, and well, the rest of you)
I had thought the one thing Rashan had missed commenting on in regards to early users of the term horde was Sheltatha, who until that last post had three maybe four posts of content (depending on whether you count agreeing to go after low posters as content or not).
I will continue rereading, but for the moment I'll add Sheltatha to my watch list (along with Mockra, Serc (still), Tulas, and well, the rest of you)
I don't know if I would say that I was a early user of the word. After all it was first used in post
955020 - Korve
then
955074 - Tennes
This is actually my favorite use of the word horde in this game.
955202 - Omtose
Then back on target
955373 - Tulas Shorn
955528 - Korv
955924 - Driss
955977 - I mention it
955995 - Mockra
956274 - Tulas
These are all of the posts where horde is used up to the point where PS gives a Zombie CF. After reading all of these posts I am almost positive that Rashan is right and that Korv is a zombie. If you take a look at them several of the posts are about how zombies have to have a full vote. He kept coming back to that kind of like of how when people have a role they want other people to speculate on it. The other one who did that was Tulas.
Here in this post
Tulas Shorn, on 27 April 2012 - 09:59 AM, said:
Serc, on 27 April 2012 - 09:37 AM, said:
Kaschan, on 27 April 2012 - 06:23 AM, said:
Serc, on 27 April 2012 - 06:20 AM, said:
Im guessing Ill be the first meal?
Look Mom, more WIFOM! This way if you don't die at night, you can say it is because you called me out. And if you do die at night, any team you might have can then claim I'm a zombie because you died. But what if you are recruited? Then we will never know!
Your confusing of the thread with bullshit and WIFOM is boring and poor play.
Of course this is all assuming you are not a Zombie.
The way Kaschan felt the need to finally add "assuming you are not a Zombie" after all his tirades against my thoughts felt forced. Didnt seem like he believed it one bit. In fact its as if he KNOWS in his mind I'm no Zombie because he would know. MAYBE.
But even if not, Kaschan is playing a very powerful role here. My guess is he's some type of Zombie leader the way he descibed the zombie threat. I fished for quite awhile, and he was the only one who stepped up.
Then again he could be one of the leaders of the three human factions for all I know, but more likely an independant.
My point is I think he's definately a major player, and I vote to take him out. I cant figure out Tulas, Sorrit, and crews game yet, but Kachan seems a bit too sure of himself.
Worse case scenario is he is the leader of a human faction. If we lynch him tonight its only a one in three chance he's your leader if your human, and Id take that chance because he's more than likely Zombie or Independant.
Either way I cant see a better option for day one.
remove vote
vote Kaschan
Because the night is Dark and Full of Terrors
What makes you think Kaschan has a high-powered role? I'm seeing defensiveness and anger, but nothing to give me an idea of what his role is.
And your comment about being a zombie leader does not make a lot of sense, unless you see him as a player controlling several zombie alts. From the information we have there is no organisation to the zombies, they are simply a horde. In addition, even if he is a zombie it seems unlikely that he would know all the other zombies, even a leader pretty much never knows everyone in his team.
So your guess is that he is a zombie leader. But then again he could be a leader. But also maybe an independent. Can you see that this might be a little confusing?
To me that paragraph smacks of someone who is sure how the zombie HORDE

Personally, it is more interesting to me at this point that you are spending the time defending yourself than it is that you used the phrase. As noted, you were fifth to use the word and fourth to use the phrase "zombie horde." That puts you way down the list and in the IGMEOY category. With an almost assured lynch of Korv and a few live alts who have used the terms between you and him, I can't see it being worth the effort. There are no votes on you and I've said previously I will likely be voting Korv today.
Posting that I am off, wrong, etc. sure, but linking all the instances someone has used the phrase/word? Perhaps you have some time suddenly freed up?