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Mafia 87 - Zombies Day 3 is running!

#1021 User is offline   Karosis 

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 03:44 PM

View PostKorvalain, on 02 May 2012 - 03:08 PM, said:

Did Liosan say voodoo?


Who do?

You do.

Remind me of the Babe.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 03:45 PM

I had a look at Liosan and it doesn't quite tally up with Anomandaris' theory (if I understand it correctly). Liosan never wrote VooDoo, but he did have a distinctive way of referring to the role - he almost always called it the 'voodoo priest', rather than master.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 03:55 PM

Anyone feel like taking a look at Galain/Meanas/D'riss talk and interactions? No? No one else here? Fine, I'll give it a go :p

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 03:57 PM

View PostTellan, on 02 May 2012 - 03:45 PM, said:

I had a look at Liosan and it doesn't quite tally up with Anomandaris' theory (if I understand it correctly). Liosan never wrote VooDoo, but he did have a distinctive way of referring to the role - he almost always called it the 'voodoo priest', rather than master.


The VooDoo thing was just something supplemental I noticed. I still believe in my theory even if that turns out to be a dead end. The contrast in posting styles is just way too marked between Day 1/2 Serc and Day 3 Serc.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 03:58 PM

Ok, I've noticed one thing straight away. Galain, Meanas, and D'riss were among the very first alts to check in when the game started. Among them were also Kaschan, Tulas Shorn, and Sorrit. Obviously, Sorrit was not a zombie, but is it possible that one person who controlled the three dead zombie alts decided to check in with more than three at once, i.e. Kaschan and Tulas also?

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 04:03 PM

Ok, then let's look at this. Meanas and Galain immediately start 'interacting' with each other. Now this could be either 1) fake fight by the same person controlling both alts; 2) two controllers who can communicate deciding to distance on thread; 3) two controllers who don't know each other immediately butting heads.

I don't think it's theory 3, because looking at the posts in hindsight they are clearly trying to set up Sorrit. Interestingly, Tulas is drawn into it as well - more set up and distancing by another zombie alt?


View PostMeanas, on 26 April 2012 - 08:28 AM, said:

View PostGalain, on 26 April 2012 - 08:21 AM, said:

View PostMeanas, on 26 April 2012 - 08:16 AM, said:

I've noticed that too. So what are Sorrit and Galain on about?


If you look I was being sarcastic. I think Sorrit just mis read that the OP. It happens


Defending your master perchance?

Vote Sorrit



View PostGalain, on 26 April 2012 - 08:37 AM, said:

No i'm not. It just looks like an innocent mistake! Whatever if you think they'd make a mistake this early in the game.



View PostMeanas, on 26 April 2012 - 09:52 AM, said:

View PostTulas Shorn, on 26 April 2012 - 09:29 AM, said:

Interesting... so it looks like we have 10 zombies? Which would make the odds a wee bit better for our shambling friends.

Also, geez, really? Meanas, your attack looks more suspicious to me than anything Sorrit or Galain have done. This early in the game, how do you have any indication of what team either of them are on? What if they are on your team?


Attack? Sorrit slips, Galain defends and re defends. Putting pressure on a player is not unknown this early. Yet thinking my "attack" warranted much suspicion from you casts my eyes towards you. Without "Attacks" (which others would call votes) we would get no where fast. By saying this, this early, you would scare people into not making accusations on thread for fear of being looked at like what you've just done. If you look Galain even used the same lettering and exclamation marks as Sorrit which again could be a subtle form of signalling and his defense could in fact be an indication that Sorrit is someone we should look at. Then there is you also casting doubt on my observation and using the word attack to actually make it sound worse than what it was which is a vote. Interesting!



View PostMeanas, on 26 April 2012 - 09:56 AM, said:

View PostGalain, on 26 April 2012 - 07:48 AM, said:

View PostSorrit, on 26 April 2012 - 06:01 AM, said:

So by my Brainzzz calculations the game starts with 22 non zombies and only 2 zombies. If that is the case then the zombies don't stand a chance since the game starts with a grand total of zero players that have 1 DR. How the hell are they zombies able to recruit if they will die off when they attack anybody? Do lynched and night killed players turn into zombies before they are truly killed? We don't need another game where we have no lynches or night kills. Theories anyone?

Brainzzzzz!!!!

Yummy




Brainzzzzz!!!! Yeah only 24 players in the game so do you think PS got the numbers wrong or have you just brain farted??


5 Z's and 4 !'s, veeeerrry subtle maybe coincidental but something to note to say the least.


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Posted 02 May 2012 - 04:08 PM

Here and catching up. I'll should be on all day which will be nice for a change.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 04:13 PM

See nothing on the meanas/galain interaction. What about kashan?

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 04:19 PM

Gah!! I got up to page 7, multiquoting as I go, then when I go to write it up it loses all my quotes. I don't have time to redo it so I'll just give a summary here, and then when I can come back later I will come up with the quotes (and others can go back and check themselves in the meantime).

The more I read through the more I notices that Galain, Tulas and Kaschan all had a habit of posting around the same time. Read into that what you will. Galain had a little attack at Kaschan which could be distancing, could be a real attempt (on my page 7 Meanas actually votes for Kaschan). D'riss doesn't say much at all. There's more than that but I've already forgotten exactly what, I need the quotes again but don't have time now.

Anyways, I only got to page 7 and now I have to go. But I'll carry on with it if no one else has done it before I come back.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 04:20 PM

View PostKorvalain, on 02 May 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

See nothing on the meanas/galain interaction. What about kashan?



What do you mean by you see nothing?

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 04:34 PM

Great night! We did lose a healer, but the horde was reduced 30% Someone mentioned PS not putting in the scenes if zombies recruited, but to be consistant and fair to others I feel like he would mention someone getting bit or at least a tiny clue if a recruitment happened. Otherwise twould be unbalanced against humans/independants.



View PostFener, on 02 May 2012 - 11:12 AM, said:

View PostKorvalain, on 02 May 2012 - 10:47 AM, said:

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"Another horde found their target, never noticing they were short a member. But when they reached him, he communicated. The combined might of the Zombies, the hivemind, communicated back. It would not be good to feast upon the flesh of this human now, for he could open the path to a greater feast soon. They left. The zombies were beginning to hunger."


Yep my thought was voodoo priest here too. I think you guys nailed it with your interpretation of night. Damn this does look bad for us without healers.

What is everyone's feel for Emurlahn? I know he explained the beads and matt as a sex act, but could be voodoo maybe? And Serc, he all but admitted that he thinks he survived a na, it seems to me like he has some knowledge to think he would be able to.


Emurlahn I'm not sure about yet. Probably should reread his posts.
Serc on the other hand, has given enough clues for me to know (or at least be reasonably sure) who he is. I'd rather not say who he is, though.


@ Fener, yeah I am with you. Had it figured out yesterday, hence why I was so adamant that Serc wasn't a zombie and went with Amp. Unfortunately, he wasn't either.

View PostAnomandaris, on 02 May 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:

Looks like the zombie horde is starting to be culled. That's a good sign :p.

So, something was nagging me as I reread the OP. Here is how the Survivor role is described:

View PostJLV, on 18 April 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

Survivor - (Higher Time requirement, but very rewarding) - You only care about making it out of here alive. You hate all the bloody mess, and the whole situation is a complete nightmare for you. You just want to survive it and that is it.
Defense Rating = 3
Manipulate and coerce to victory
VC = Be alive when the game ends


Higher time requirement? That tells me this isn't just a bog standard role - there must be something interesting going on under the covers. I started thinking about what roles require a lot of time to play, and one in particular stood out - FM. Think about it - it makes perfect sense for a role called 'Survivor'. The player would have to jump from alt to alt, matching up timezones where possible to avoid suspicion, adopting the posting styles of other players.

I had the idea a while back and filed it away, because I didn't think it made sense to fearmonger unnecessarily. However, there is now clear evidence that this is in play and so I thought it was worth bringing to everyone's attention. Look at Serc's posts since Day 3 started and it is very clear that it is not the same person behind the alt. Gone is the joking facade in all its facets. Instead, we have someone playing seriously, and furthermore, someone trying to influence the interpretation on the Night Scene. Here's his post about it:

View PostSerc, on 02 May 2012 - 08:25 AM, said:

Is that how you guys are interpreting the Night Scene, or are you guessing? I'm not disagreeing, I was just trying to figure out what happened, myself.


"Elsewhere, a group of zombies staggered into a sole human. Surely they would catch their pray tonight, with no ghostly apparitions to distract them. But, the prey fumbled with a small figure in his hands, causing one of their Zombie brethren to stumble from the shadows, dragging another through the glass window, down to their deaths. The distraction gave enough time for the human to escape, unharmed."

This paragraph had me thinking that is was more the Priest or Survivor than the VooDoo guy that killed the two zombies in defense.I dont even see the VooDoo master even needing zombies. Seems like he'd need something from the living. Could be wrong. And mainly because the next paragraph sounds more like the VooDoo Master, than this one. And this guy is holding a figure. I guess it could be some sort of VooDoo doll, but it could be a holy relic in the shape of a god as well. But I was thinking that its possible that it was the Survivor with the figure. His description for winning is written "Manipulate and coerce to victory." The method for killing seems like a cohersion of some sort, possibly. Cohersed the Zombie to attack another so he could "survive" by getting away. It's a stretch, just trying to cover all remotely possible explanations. I'd lean more towards the Priest here. Because in the next paragraph:

"Another horde found their target, never noticing they were short a member. But when they reached him, he communicated. The combined might of the Zombies, the hivemind, communicated back. It would not be good to feast upon the flesh of this human now, for he could open the path to a greater feast soon. They left. The zombies were beginning to hunger."

This one had me thinking that the zombies tried to attack the voodoo guy, but he somehow talked to them. And sinse they left convinced this target was going to "open the path to a greater feast," it was this guy that made me think of the voodoo demon summoning. Can't imagine anyone but the VooDoo Master being able to talk to the zombies. Plus he would be the only one with something to offer them. They could feast on every single human if the demon gets summoned, because it says if demon does get summoned, then VooDoo guy leaves, and demon kills all the mortals. Zombie Feast if you ask me. Can't imagine the priest fitting here. This one almost has to be the VooDoo Master, imo.

But there's no telling. I'm still trying to piece it all together. It could have been the voodoo guy in both paragraphs, I guess. Two seperate attacks? First one he kills two. Second time he convinces them to leave him be? I really cant see the VooDoo guy being responsible for the zombie deaths unless he's the same guy that then communicates with the second group. Also seems to be a stretch.

I'd lean towards Priest killing the two zombies(then even Survivor over VooDoo if not), and VooDoo doing the communicating.

Props to PS for the phrasing of scenes so far.

Also wanted to add that I also toyed with the notion that VooDoo might have killed the healer, but we still have 3 pairs of murderers. One failed. One hit Healer. One Hit Zombie. I'd suggest even that it was the Lone Avenger that killed the healer, possibly thinking Liosan a faction leader over VooDoo.

So we're gonna have Priest killing zombies, VooDoo killing any humans, Lone Avenger killing any humans, searching for a leader(although he might benefit killing zombies off with human factions first), and Survivor being the biggest unknown when it comes to his possibilities. Probably leaves VooDoo and Zombies equally as dangerous. Zombies can gank(maybe even gank themselves, who says they cant mistake a target), and VooDoo just needing enough maimed bodies to summon a demon that ends the game while not really having to worry about the zombies IF he was the one able to talk to them.

Wow. I feel like we're going into brain surgery. We need to work out some general consensus on what everyone can hopefully agree really happened.


I mean, the analysis seems perfectly reasonable, but it really doesn't fit with how Serc has played up to this point. I've highlighted the parts of his post where he talks about the Survivor role in bold. Doesn't it sound a bit like he's trying to define a role that he already knows stuff about?

If my theory is correct, then the Survivor was originally Liosan, but jumped into Serc last night. The CF we saw of Liosan would actually have been the information about the original player in Serc - eg. Serc before Day 3 was Gust Hubb, a healer in Rivera's group. It might be worth going back and taking a look at the style of Liosan's posts from Days 1 and 2 - do they match what Serc has said so far today? Unfortunately I don't have time to check at the moment.

There are still a couple of loose ends that need to be tied up though. You might ask, for example, why the FM would jump to someone who would be so difficult to mimic. It would be very difficult to follow the performance that Serc put on on Day 2. I hypothesize that the survivor can only jump every other night, and that having selected Serc as his target on Night 1 he had no choice but to make the jump today, regardless of how the Serc alt had been behaving. This might also go some way to explaining why Serc was acting out so much - if he knew that he was going to be usurped during Night 2, then you could imagine him deciding to do everything he could to make himself hard to replace seamlessly.

There's also the question of whether it's worth acting on this information. The Survivor's victory conditions are not mutually exclusive with the human factions, after all. But I would argue that an FM is a pretty dangerous player to keep around. If we leave it a couple of days he'll be gone and we'll have no idea where he is. I think we should act now.

Vote Serc



What do they say..he who smelt it dealt it? You are high if you think anyone would jump into the Serc alt. If it is a 2 day jump period, (which I agree is likely based upon the scenes and only 1 NK night one) there is still no way that a FM would jump to Serc. He had 5+ votes on day one and was even back then posting in his odd/retarded style. There are way to many low posters/safe jumps early in the game for him to risk going into the person who was next on the chopping block after Sorrit. I feel like you are reaching. The fact that you even came up with the FM role and have such clearly defined ideas about it are very suspect in my eyes. IF there is a FM in this game, at this point you would be my main guess as to who it would be. Also, if Serc is who I think he is, then he hasn't been jumped into as I didn't have him down as the Rivera Healer.


I am going to go look back at the galain/meanas/D'riss posts. I still think going after zombies is a priority. Best to hit them while they are down.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 05:24 PM

I think I found another Zombie.


This is PS talking about the zombie FACTION (this word is important).

Path Shaper said:



Zombies:

Killers and Recruiters.
No DR
Zombie faction VC: To remove all other factions from the game.




Now, lets move to Korvalain.

First there is this post... role speculation about zombies. This normally isn't enought to warrant a vote. But, as I mentioned to Ano, if you speculate about a role, many times you are the one that has it.

View PostKorvalain, on 26 April 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

View PostSilanah, on 26 April 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

Crosspost

Fair enough. Still, multiple alts with voting powers seem ridiculously powerful. And, it would be too obvious if certain alts didn't vote...

So, I'm guessing only one vote counts per multiple account controller? That should give us a little in terms of process of elimination.


Why do you think that? I think each zombie has to get a vote.


Now, Check out the wording in this post. (Underline italics and font size are mine)

View PostKorvalain, on 26 April 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

View PostSilanah, on 26 April 2012 - 02:02 PM, said:

View PostKorvalain, on 26 April 2012 - 01:45 PM, said:

View PostSilanah, on 26 April 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

Crosspost

Fair enough. Still, multiple alts with voting powers seem ridiculously powerful. And, it would be too obvious if certain alts didn't vote...

So, I'm guessing only one vote counts per multiple account controller? That should give us a little in terms of process of elimination.


Why do you think that? I think each zombie has to get a vote.


So, you think some players have multiple votes??? That would be fucked up powerful.


Its a zombie horde. I don't think we can rule that possibility out. So we have two scenarios to watch:

1) Player has multiple alts but can only vote once
2) Player has multiple alts that can each vote seperately, maybe they can't all vote the same way?


hmmm the word Horde had never been used up until that point not even by PS in the OP's. And loe-and-behold on our first zombie kill they are from the "Horde" PS obviously uses that word to describe zombies. I am guessing that Mr. Korv saw the word in his PM and used it.

vote Korvalain

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 05:28 PM

Also Check out that Korv and Meanas were back to back on the ampleas train.... Galain also happened to be on that train.

View PostPath-Shaper, on 01 May 2012 - 11:20 PM, said:

That's a lynch.

16 votes to lynch, 15 votes to go to night.

16 Votes for Ampelas ( Emurlahn, Rashan, Serc, Thyrllan, Shelthata Lore, Tulas Shorn, Atrahal, Fener, Galain, Olar Ethil, Anomandaris, Tennes, Korvalain, Meanas, Omtose, Korbas )
1 Votes for Korbas ( D'riss )
11 Votes for Serc ( Liosan, Mockra, Kaschan, Karosis, Osseric, Ruse, Spite, Kalse, Telas, Tellan, Ampelas )


Players not voted: Anthras, Eloth, Omtose




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Posted 02 May 2012 - 05:35 PM

Here is another post where Korv is discussing Zombie mechanics/strategy. Accusing Sorrit, who we know is human, of zombie tactics. This post also comes significantly after his prior posts, but he doesn't have a "I'm here" post. Just jumps right into posting, like he has been around. ( which Galain certainly had)

View PostKorvalain, on 26 April 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

View PostSorrit, on 26 April 2012 - 05:52 AM, said:

First Brainzzz!!!!!!

Yummmy



View PostSorrit, on 26 April 2012 - 06:01 AM, said:

So by my Brainzzz calculations the game starts with 22 non zombies and only 2 zombies. If that is the case then the zombies don't stand a chance since the game starts with a grand total of zero players that have 1 DR. How the hell are they zombies able to recruit if they will die off when they attack anybody? Do lynched and night killed players turn into zombies before they are truly killed? We don't need another game where we have no lynches or night kills. Theories anyone?

Brainzzzzz!!!!

Yummy





View PostGalain, on 26 April 2012 - 07:48 AM, said:

View PostSorrit, on 26 April 2012 - 06:01 AM, said:

So by my Brainzzz calculations the game starts with 22 non zombies and only 2 zombies. If that is the case then the zombies don't stand a chance since the game starts with a grand total of zero players that have 1 DR. How the hell are they zombies able to recruit if they will die off when they attack anybody? Do lynched and night killed players turn into zombies before they are truly killed? We don't need another game where we have no lynches or night kills. Theories anyone?

Brainzzzzz!!!!

Yummy




Brainzzzzz!!!! Yeah only 24 players in the game so do you think PS got the numbers wrong or have you just brain farted??



View PostSorrit, on 26 April 2012 - 02:56 PM, said:

View PostLiosan, on 26 April 2012 - 09:50 AM, said:

Why the hell would anyone pretend to be a zombie?



Brainnzzzzzz

Yummy



View PostGalain, on 26 April 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

It depends on how many players are zombies. You could easily have 3 different zombie recruiters with 2 retainers each or something like that. One player managing 5 alts seems extreme to me



View PostGalain, on 26 April 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

View PostSorrit, on 26 April 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

View PostKaschan, on 26 April 2012 - 07:56 AM, said:

View PostGalain, on 26 April 2012 - 07:48 AM, said:

View PostSorrit, on 26 April 2012 - 06:01 AM, said:

So by my Brainzzz calculations the game starts with 22 non zombies and only 2 zombies. If that is the case then the zombies don't stand a chance since the game starts with a grand total of zero players that have 1 DR. How the hell are they zombies able to recruit if they will die off when they attack anybody? Do lynched and night killed players turn into zombies before they are truly killed? We don't need another game where we have no lynches or night kills. Theories anyone?

Brainzzzzz!!!!

Yummy




Brainzzzzz!!!! Yeah only 24 players in the game so do you think PS got the numbers wrong or have you just brain farted??


The opening post says there are 31 players still alive.


I thought there looked like an awful lot of names listed in the OP. I just brushed it off as there were 24 players which is more than usual, without actually looking at the number posted by PS.

So the game starts with 9 zombies? So one player needs to post in 5 seperate alts and the other needs to post in 4? Man if that is true this is a great time to lynch the low posters. That would be impossible for me to manage if that is the case. I don't know of too many people that would be able to do that.


Low posting might be something to look for, I agree.



View PostSorrit, on 26 April 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

View PostMeanas, on 26 April 2012 - 09:52 AM, said:

View PostTulas Shorn, on 26 April 2012 - 09:29 AM, said:

Interesting... so it looks like we have 10 zombies? Which would make the odds a wee bit better for our shambling friends.

Also, geez, really? Meanas, your attack looks more suspicious to me than anything Sorrit or Galain have done. This early in the game, how do you have any indication of what team either of them are on? What if they are on your team?


Attack? Sorrit slips, Galain defends and re defends. Putting pressure on a player is not unknown this early. Yet thinking my "attack" warranted much suspicion from you casts my eyes towards you. Without "Attacks" (which others would call votes) we would get no where fast. By saying this, this early, you would scare people into not making accusations on thread for fear of being looked at like what you've just done. If you look Galain even used the same lettering and exclamation marks as Sorrit which again could be a subtle form of signalling and his defense could in fact be an indication that Sorrit is someone we should look at. Then there is you also casting doubt on my observation and using the word attack to actually make it sound worse than what it was which is a vote. Interesting!



Bbbbbbaaaaaaddddd Bbbbrrrrraaaaaiiiiinnnnnzzzzzzz

remove vote

vote meanas




Again Sorrit and Galain are posting right next to eachother. I could see this as one person, and maybe changing up their playing on the last posts to try and look like two separate people (one role playing and one serious)

vote Sorrit


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Posted 02 May 2012 - 05:42 PM

Hmmmm, here is another person to check in for the first time and use the term 'Horde" now, we know Korv used it first, so I am more apt to think of him as a zombie... but someone just checking in and refering to "the Horde" also fishy. Also, notice the huge zombie role speculation on actual mechanics.

View PostTennes, on 26 April 2012 - 04:02 PM, said:

I am here and al-BRRRAAAAAIIIINNNNNZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ



View PostTennes, on 26 April 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

A zombie horde, huh? I ain't 'fraid a no zombie horde! I gots a bunker all filled up with dried meat and potato wedges, I can last all year!



View PostTennes, on 26 April 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

In all seriousness, though, 10 zombies seems the most likely explanation of the extra alts to me, too.

As for zombie off-thread communications, I wouldn't be surprised by that at all. Why? The DR ratings of each faction are 4, 3, 2, 2, 2, 1, with a healer, a 2IC that adds +1 DR to all members of the faction and the DR:1 role has a "limited BP". A NK frome ach faction, so that's 3 NKs a night and it'll take a fair amount of effort and/or zombies to remove any of those NKs because they're paired. On top of that you've got the independents, whom at least one of looks like a serial killer role.

That's a lot of bloodshed facing the zombies, and if there's 10 of them they're the most likely recipient of those NKs. The zombies probably don't have much, if any, defense against those kills (because they're zombies, it'd be weird if they did), so the only balancing factor would be if the zombies were also able to deliver a lot of bloodshed. With 10 zombies and the DR ratings and heals I mentioned above, they'd be very inefficient if the zombies weren't coordinated - essentially each player of 5 zombies would have to put all his zombies on one target to guarantee success against any target, and if they lose just one zombie they now have 4 and can't beat a faction leader (if the 2IC is alive).

I think it's more likely the zombies do have off-thread communications to coordinate how many zombies they put on each target.

In fact, given how exposed they'd be on-thread from trying to manage 5 alts, I wouldn't be surprised if the 2 zombie players can control any of the 10 zombie alts, making them more able to hide by having any 2 alts converse naturally. Vote-wise, could be a limit of 1 or 2 votes per zombie player, but they can come from any alt. That's how I would do it if I was making this game, anyways.


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Posted 02 May 2012 - 06:21 PM

That looks like some good analysis Rashan - I never realised that it wasn't a PS post which used Horde to describe the zombie groups first. I'm here, but not really, will be just checking in and out for a while before I can properly post again.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 06:34 PM

A mostly good night result at least, though I can't help but feel someone has it out for medics, they are not faring well so far. I really need to do a thread re-read with those names in mind to see if there are any connections that can be ferreted out, my head is a little blerg though so I may be a while.

I think you make an interesting point Anomander, it was a marked difference, so different though that I am slightly doubtful of the likelihood of it being true, surely an FM jump would make more of an effort to mimic some of Serc's recent behaviour. But then, since we hadn't before dwelled on the possibility of that role much, maybe they didn't think it was that dangerous, strange target if it is true though, the most on show, vocal player who was second in the votes. Though he has twice now survived them.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 06:42 PM

Nice find, Rash

voteKorv

Imho, we need to reduce the zombies to a manageable number (like 3-4), before we start worrying about the merc teams.

won't be around much today, probably

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 06:42 PM

ok, I spent the last hour going over day one, up to the lynch. 12 or so pages. I paid particular attention to interaction with zombies. Things I noticed.


Ruse, Ano Tulas posted A LOT their conversations were interspersed with szombies and some posts actually occured concurrently. My impression after analysis is that these three aren't likely zombies.

Thyrllan is pretty much a non entity. ( I am sure others are as well, but thyr stood out) He had one spurt of posting and then kind of faded away.

Olar, Osseric and Eloth all checked in within 5-10 minutes of each other. D'riss, Galain and Meanas (All zombies) all checked in within 30 minutes of each other. I'm not saying all three are zombies, but it looked fishy, and the posting styles of all 3 match up with the known Zombies


Several people use the "I am busy so I won't have much time to post today" excuse. Some of them turned out to be zombies ( can't remember all... I just got done reading a fuckton of posts.) Some of this may be true, likely some isn't. I KNOW D'riss used the excuse and he is a zombie. I know Mockra used the excuse. I am leaning towards him being a zombie as well.

Ruse and Omtose were bickering like school girls. no way they are the same person. If they are... major rep.

D'riss and Mockra's first post are around the same time. They both use the 'I won't be around much" This is very fishy to me.


Thats only day 1. I have a meeting in 20 minutes and then I will be back for day 2 analysis. I wrote down the post times of all known zombies and will try to match that up with day 2 and 3 if I have the energy.

In conclusion I am VERY suspicious of Korv, Tennes and Mockra. Less suspicious, but still quite suspicious of Olar, Osseric and Eloth.

This is only a zombie analysis, I didn't factor in independant roles, or voting blocks. though it seems 2 of the 3 known zombies were always on a lynching train.

I'm out for now.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 06:44 PM

I like Rashan's spot for the 'zombie horde' term. Through the magic of the advanced search, I was able to come up with a complete list of the players who have used the phrase in order of occurance:

Korvalain
Tennes
D'riss (confirmed Zombie)
Sheltatha Lore
Mockra
Tulas Shorn
Anomandaris (eek! Although in my defence, I only used the term after the Night 2 scene).

Obviously, the more the phrase is used the more it slips into the general lexicon and gets re-used...but there may well be a few zombies in there.

EDIT: X-post with further Rashan analysis.

This post has been edited by Anomandaris: 02 May 2012 - 06:45 PM


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