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#1001 User is offline   Serc 

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 08:59 AM

View PostOmtose, on 02 May 2012 - 07:48 AM, said:

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View PostTulas Shorn, on 02 May 2012 - 04:54 AM, said:

Hmm, interesting outcomes for lynch and night. While it sucks that we have lost all our healers, the zombies have taken a bit of a beating, which is encouraging.

Thoughts on those zombies labelled as horde?



alt zombies would be my guess. Horde just because no player is actually full-time behind the alt. Makes sense.


I agree with anthras though. Seems like the killers that failed night 1 picked the same target, and missed again. Besides losing the last healer, night was a good turnout for the human factions.



Excuse me, what do you mean by full time behind the alt here? Galain was pretty active, and Meanas very much so. If you just mean that the controllers had other alts that they posted through, then that is already completely obvious based on the numbers isn't it? So I'm not sure if you mean something different to that here?


NS listed healer killed, then listed the players real screen name(main name).

But main names for the zombies weren't given.

It's possible that at this point, there is enough people to each man a single zombie him or herself? Might have even been the eventual goal as players(or at least zombies) died.

No way to know, really. And how or would it even change things.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 09:00 AM

View PostSerc, on 02 May 2012 - 08:40 AM, said:

The Survivor just needs to be alive when the game ends. Say he helps the VooDoo Master summon the demon, That's game over for humans, right? Is it game over for zombies too? Or do zombies win by default, because demon kills all humans. All except Survivor, who would also win as soon as VooDoo guy won, IF these prove true. So I think the Survivor might have a quickest path to victory by helping VooDoo obtain his goal. But I could be wrong. I dont know if VooDoo needs zombie parts, or if zombies even count. And I dont know if the demon is going to kill all zombies as well as all humans. It just says that the demon will kill all remaining players, after VooDoo guys "leaves" and wins. Defualt win to Survivor? Thoughts? I could be completely wrong, Im just trying to see who would work with who, and who did what in the Night Scene.

Not even applying this to actual players themselves, yet. So only theory of mechanics and info given. I dont feel ready to start sniffing people out intil I hear more opinions on Night Scene, and possible alliances.


This would only work if the Voodoo master and the survivor can communicate, which I think is unlikely. I would say that once the voodoo priest has done his thing he will leave, but PS has seemed to suggest that humans can go on playing after the independents have won, it will just make it more difficult. Maybe this is one of those times?

I figured the medic might have been different because there was no mention of the "shadowy pairs" that seem to indicate the killers. Just a thought.

I figured the person communicating with the zombies was the voodoo dude. Makes sense, with the whole "open path to a greater feast soon" thing. which would indicate, at least to me, that the person fumbling with the whats-it would be someone different. Sounds a bit obscure though, maybe it's something that the priest has bestowed on someone else?

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 09:30 AM

View PostSerc, on 02 May 2012 - 08:59 AM, said:

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View PostTulas Shorn, on 02 May 2012 - 04:54 AM, said:

Hmm, interesting outcomes for lynch and night. While it sucks that we have lost all our healers, the zombies have taken a bit of a beating, which is encouraging.

Thoughts on those zombies labelled as horde?



alt zombies would be my guess. Horde just because no player is actually full-time behind the alt. Makes sense.


I agree with anthras though. Seems like the killers that failed night 1 picked the same target, and missed again. Besides losing the last healer, night was a good turnout for the human factions.



Excuse me, what do you mean by full time behind the alt here? Galain was pretty active, and Meanas very much so. If you just mean that the controllers had other alts that they posted through, then that is already completely obvious based on the numbers isn't it? So I'm not sure if you mean something different to that here?


NS listed healer killed, then listed the players real screen name(main name).

But main names for the zombies weren't given.

It's possible that at this point, there is enough people to each man a single zombie him or herself? Might have even been the eventual goal as players(or at least zombies) died.

No way to know, really. And how or would it even change things.


If there's more than one alt being controlled by a single player it would be a problem if the player's name was given because some people are more altable than others, and it would bring in a very much undesired meta aspect to the game. So I'm guess we won't get a name until all the alts controlled by that player are killed.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 10:26 AM

View PostSerc, on 01 May 2012 - 11:52 PM, said:

View PostAnthras, on 01 May 2012 - 11:48 PM, said:

well-well
*golf clap*

So, I think we only have 1 healer left, no?



Would appear so.

Not counting the Priest, of course.


Gureat. I knew I wasn't feeling great about that lynch.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 10:34 AM

View PostLiosan, on 01 May 2012 - 11:57 PM, said:

Well then, that makes no sense. Why would the healer be a low poster and quiet? hmmmmmm, not sure, could it be THEY DON'T WANT TO BE ZOMBIE FOOD?!

really, l cite this as proof of the stupidity of the low poster argument


I think some of the zombie horde may have been relatively low posters. Haven't seen the numbers recently... I'm sure I'm not looking too good between weekend unavailability and work this last couple of days.

View PostAtrahal, on 02 May 2012 - 02:44 AM, said:

Well, this isn't too bad, I suppose. I mean the low-poster argument was kind of an excuse to get a lynch anyway.

The Horde took a hit tonight, and it doesn't look like they recruited. btw, who was it that said that one of those three were connected with someone else? I remember it was a few hundred pages back, it was a list of sorts.

And wait...shit. Both of the healers are dead.


So now we see why no one else wanted to go after a Liosan lynch, he was their na.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 10:47 AM

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"Another horde found their target, never noticing they were short a member. But when they reached him, he communicated. The combined might of the Zombies, the hivemind, communicated back. It would not be good to feast upon the flesh of this human now, for he could open the path to a greater feast soon. They left. The zombies were beginning to hunger."


Yep my thought was voodoo priest here too. I think you guys nailed it with your interpretation of night. Damn this does look bad for us without healers.

What is everyone's feel for Emurlahn? I know he explained the beads and matt as a sex act, but could be voodoo maybe? And Serc, he all but admitted that he thinks he survived a na, it seems to me like he has some knowledge to think he would be able to.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 10:52 AM

View PostSerc, on 02 May 2012 - 08:59 AM, said:

View PostOmtose, on 02 May 2012 - 07:48 AM, said:

View PostKorbas, on 02 May 2012 - 05:57 AM, said:

View PostTulas Shorn, on 02 May 2012 - 04:54 AM, said:

Hmm, interesting outcomes for lynch and night. While it sucks that we have lost all our healers, the zombies have taken a bit of a beating, which is encouraging.

Thoughts on those zombies labelled as horde?



alt zombies would be my guess. Horde just because no player is actually full-time behind the alt. Makes sense.


I agree with anthras though. Seems like the killers that failed night 1 picked the same target, and missed again. Besides losing the last healer, night was a good turnout for the human factions.



Excuse me, what do you mean by full time behind the alt here? Galain was pretty active, and Meanas very much so. If you just mean that the controllers had other alts that they posted through, then that is already completely obvious based on the numbers isn't it? So I'm not sure if you mean something different to that here?


NS listed healer killed, then listed the players real screen name(main name).

But main names for the zombies weren't given.

It's possible that at this point, there is enough people to each man a single zombie him or herself? Might have even been the eventual goal as players(or at least zombies) died.

No way to know, really. And how or would it even change things.


So who were you in last nights scene? Are we to just guess today? Your posts so far today have been helpful, where are your colorful post? I'm not entertained Serc :p

All in all, a good night though.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 11:12 AM

View PostKorvalain, on 02 May 2012 - 10:47 AM, said:

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"Another horde found their target, never noticing they were short a member. But when they reached him, he communicated. The combined might of the Zombies, the hivemind, communicated back. It would not be good to feast upon the flesh of this human now, for he could open the path to a greater feast soon. They left. The zombies were beginning to hunger."


Yep my thought was voodoo priest here too. I think you guys nailed it with your interpretation of night. Damn this does look bad for us without healers.

What is everyone's feel for Emurlahn? I know he explained the beads and matt as a sex act, but could be voodoo maybe? And Serc, he all but admitted that he thinks he survived a na, it seems to me like he has some knowledge to think he would be able to.


Emurlahn I'm not sure about yet. Probably should reread his posts.
Serc on the other hand, has given enough clues for me to know (or at least be reasonably sure) who he is. I'd rather not say who he is, though.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 11:15 AM

Well at least the night generally seemed to work out, even though the lynch didn't. Zombies really took a hit. I do wonder if they've managed to recruit though in either night, I'm not sure the night scenes would say anything about that.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 11:16 AM

View PostFener, on 02 May 2012 - 11:12 AM, said:

View PostKorvalain, on 02 May 2012 - 10:47 AM, said:

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"Another horde found their target, never noticing they were short a member. But when they reached him, he communicated. The combined might of the Zombies, the hivemind, communicated back. It would not be good to feast upon the flesh of this human now, for he could open the path to a greater feast soon. They left. The zombies were beginning to hunger."


Yep my thought was voodoo priest here too. I think you guys nailed it with your interpretation of night. Damn this does look bad for us without healers.

What is everyone's feel for Emurlahn? I know he explained the beads and matt as a sex act, but could be voodoo maybe? And Serc, he all but admitted that he thinks he survived a na, it seems to me like he has some knowledge to think he would be able to.


Emurlahn I'm not sure about yet. Probably should reread his posts.
Serc on the other hand, has given enough clues for me to know (or at least be reasonably sure) who he is. I'd rather not say who he is, though.


But you think Serc is in a faction, right? I mean, you don't think he's worth voting for today?

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 11:16 AM

Looks like the zombie horde is starting to be culled. That's a good sign :p.

So, something was nagging me as I reread the OP. Here is how the Survivor role is described:

View PostJLV, on 18 April 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

Survivor - (Higher Time requirement, but very rewarding) - You only care about making it out of here alive. You hate all the bloody mess, and the whole situation is a complete nightmare for you. You just want to survive it and that is it.
Defense Rating = 3
Manipulate and coerce to victory
VC = Be alive when the game ends


Higher time requirement? That tells me this isn't just a bog standard role - there must be something interesting going on under the covers. I started thinking about what roles require a lot of time to play, and one in particular stood out - FM. Think about it - it makes perfect sense for a role called 'Survivor'. The player would have to jump from alt to alt, matching up timezones where possible to avoid suspicion, adopting the posting styles of other players.

I had the idea a while back and filed it away, because I didn't think it made sense to fearmonger unnecessarily. However, there is now clear evidence that this is in play and so I thought it was worth bringing to everyone's attention. Look at Serc's posts since Day 3 started and it is very clear that it is not the same person behind the alt. Gone is the joking facade in all its facets. Instead, we have someone playing seriously, and furthermore, someone trying to influence the interpretation on the Night Scene. Here's his post about it:

View PostSerc, on 02 May 2012 - 08:25 AM, said:

Is that how you guys are interpreting the Night Scene, or are you guessing? I'm not disagreeing, I was just trying to figure out what happened, myself.


"Elsewhere, a group of zombies staggered into a sole human. Surely they would catch their pray tonight, with no ghostly apparitions to distract them. But, the prey fumbled with a small figure in his hands, causing one of their Zombie brethren to stumble from the shadows, dragging another through the glass window, down to their deaths. The distraction gave enough time for the human to escape, unharmed."

This paragraph had me thinking that is was more the Priest or Survivor than the VooDoo guy that killed the two zombies in defense.I dont even see the VooDoo master even needing zombies. Seems like he'd need something from the living. Could be wrong. And mainly because the next paragraph sounds more like the VooDoo Master, than this one. And this guy is holding a figure. I guess it could be some sort of VooDoo doll, but it could be a holy relic in the shape of a god as well. But I was thinking that its possible that it was the Survivor with the figure. His description for winning is written "Manipulate and coerce to victory." The method for killing seems like a cohersion of some sort, possibly. Cohersed the Zombie to attack another so he could "survive" by getting away. It's a stretch, just trying to cover all remotely possible explanations. I'd lean more towards the Priest here. Because in the next paragraph:

"Another horde found their target, never noticing they were short a member. But when they reached him, he communicated. The combined might of the Zombies, the hivemind, communicated back. It would not be good to feast upon the flesh of this human now, for he could open the path to a greater feast soon. They left. The zombies were beginning to hunger."

This one had me thinking that the zombies tried to attack the voodoo guy, but he somehow talked to them. And sinse they left convinced this target was going to "open the path to a greater feast," it was this guy that made me think of the voodoo demon summoning. Can't imagine anyone but the VooDoo Master being able to talk to the zombies. Plus he would be the only one with something to offer them. They could feast on every single human if the demon gets summoned, because it says if demon does get summoned, then VooDoo guy leaves, and demon kills all the mortals. Zombie Feast if you ask me. Can't imagine the priest fitting here. This one almost has to be the VooDoo Master, imo.

But there's no telling. I'm still trying to piece it all together. It could have been the voodoo guy in both paragraphs, I guess. Two seperate attacks? First one he kills two. Second time he convinces them to leave him be? I really cant see the VooDoo guy being responsible for the zombie deaths unless he's the same guy that then communicates with the second group. Also seems to be a stretch.

I'd lean towards Priest killing the two zombies(then even Survivor over VooDoo if not), and VooDoo doing the communicating.

Props to PS for the phrasing of scenes so far.

Also wanted to add that I also toyed with the notion that VooDoo might have killed the healer, but we still have 3 pairs of murderers. One failed. One hit Healer. One Hit Zombie. I'd suggest even that it was the Lone Avenger that killed the healer, possibly thinking Liosan a faction leader over VooDoo.

So we're gonna have Priest killing zombies, VooDoo killing any humans, Lone Avenger killing any humans, searching for a leader(although he might benefit killing zombies off with human factions first), and Survivor being the biggest unknown when it comes to his possibilities. Probably leaves VooDoo and Zombies equally as dangerous. Zombies can gank(maybe even gank themselves, who says they cant mistake a target), and VooDoo just needing enough maimed bodies to summon a demon that ends the game while not really having to worry about the zombies IF he was the one able to talk to them.

Wow. I feel like we're going into brain surgery. We need to work out some general consensus on what everyone can hopefully agree really happened.


I mean, the analysis seems perfectly reasonable, but it really doesn't fit with how Serc has played up to this point. I've highlighted the parts of his post where he talks about the Survivor role in bold. Doesn't it sound a bit like he's trying to define a role that he already knows stuff about?

If my theory is correct, then the Survivor was originally Liosan, but jumped into Serc last night. The CF we saw of Liosan would actually have been the information about the original player in Serc - eg. Serc before Day 3 was Gust Hubb, a healer in Rivera's group. It might be worth going back and taking a look at the style of Liosan's posts from Days 1 and 2 - do they match what Serc has said so far today? Unfortunately I don't have time to check at the moment.

There are still a couple of loose ends that need to be tied up though. You might ask, for example, why the FM would jump to someone who would be so difficult to mimic. It would be very difficult to follow the performance that Serc put on on Day 2. I hypothesize that the survivor can only jump every other night, and that having selected Serc as his target on Night 1 he had no choice but to make the jump today, regardless of how the Serc alt had been behaving. This might also go some way to explaining why Serc was acting out so much - if he knew that he was going to be usurped during Night 2, then you could imagine him deciding to do everything he could to make himself hard to replace seamlessly.

There's also the question of whether it's worth acting on this information. The Survivor's victory conditions are not mutually exclusive with the human factions, after all. But I would argue that an FM is a pretty dangerous player to keep around. If we leave it a couple of days he'll be gone and we'll have no idea where he is. I think we should act now.

Vote Serc

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 11:19 AM

View PostKalse, on 02 May 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:

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"Another horde found their target, never noticing they were short a member. But when they reached him, he communicated. The combined might of the Zombies, the hivemind, communicated back. It would not be good to feast upon the flesh of this human now, for he could open the path to a greater feast soon. They left. The zombies were beginning to hunger."


Yep my thought was voodoo priest here too. I think you guys nailed it with your interpretation of night. Damn this does look bad for us without healers.

What is everyone's feel for Emurlahn? I know he explained the beads and matt as a sex act, but could be voodoo maybe? And Serc, he all but admitted that he thinks he survived a na, it seems to me like he has some knowledge to think he would be able to.


Emurlahn I'm not sure about yet. Probably should reread his posts.
Serc on the other hand, has given enough clues for me to know (or at least be reasonably sure) who he is. I'd rather not say who he is, though.


But you think Serc is in a faction, right? I mean, you don't think he's worth voting for today?


Yeah. Thats why I'm not going to say which role I believe he is.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 11:20 AM

That's pretty interesting. It's true that Serc's posts today have been 'calmer' than yesterday. Someone even commented that for the first time they found Serc useful.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 11:30 AM

View PostAnomandaris, on 02 May 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:

Looks like the zombie horde is starting to be culled. That's a good sign :p.

So, something was nagging me as I reread the OP. Here is how the Survivor role is described:

View PostJLV, on 18 April 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

Survivor - (Higher Time requirement, but very rewarding) - You only care about making it out of here alive. You hate all the bloody mess, and the whole situation is a complete nightmare for you. You just want to survive it and that is it.
Defense Rating = 3
Manipulate and coerce to victory
VC = Be alive when the game ends


Higher time requirement? That tells me this isn't just a bog standard role - there must be something interesting going on under the covers. I started thinking about what roles require a lot of time to play, and one in particular stood out - FM. Think about it - it makes perfect sense for a role called 'Survivor'. The player would have to jump from alt to alt, matching up timezones where possible to avoid suspicion, adopting the posting styles of other players.

I had the idea a while back and filed it away, because I didn't think it made sense to fearmonger unnecessarily. However, there is now clear evidence that this is in play and so I thought it was worth bringing to everyone's attention. Look at Serc's posts since Day 3 started and it is very clear that it is not the same person behind the alt. Gone is the joking facade in all its facets. Instead, we have someone playing seriously, and furthermore, someone trying to influence the interpretation on the Night Scene. Here's his post about it:

View PostSerc, on 02 May 2012 - 08:25 AM, said:

Is that how you guys are interpreting the Night Scene, or are you guessing? I'm not disagreeing, I was just trying to figure out what happened, myself.


"Elsewhere, a group of zombies staggered into a sole human. Surely they would catch their pray tonight, with no ghostly apparitions to distract them. But, the prey fumbled with a small figure in his hands, causing one of their Zombie brethren to stumble from the shadows, dragging another through the glass window, down to their deaths. The distraction gave enough time for the human to escape, unharmed."

This paragraph had me thinking that is was more the Priest or Survivor than the VooDoo guy that killed the two zombies in defense.I dont even see the VooDoo master even needing zombies. Seems like he'd need something from the living. Could be wrong. And mainly because the next paragraph sounds more like the VooDoo Master, than this one. And this guy is holding a figure. I guess it could be some sort of VooDoo doll, but it could be a holy relic in the shape of a god as well. But I was thinking that its possible that it was the Survivor with the figure. His description for winning is written "Manipulate and coerce to victory." The method for killing seems like a cohersion of some sort, possibly. Cohersed the Zombie to attack another so he could "survive" by getting away. It's a stretch, just trying to cover all remotely possible explanations. I'd lean more towards the Priest here. Because in the next paragraph:

"Another horde found their target, never noticing they were short a member. But when they reached him, he communicated. The combined might of the Zombies, the hivemind, communicated back. It would not be good to feast upon the flesh of this human now, for he could open the path to a greater feast soon. They left. The zombies were beginning to hunger."

This one had me thinking that the zombies tried to attack the voodoo guy, but he somehow talked to them. And sinse they left convinced this target was going to "open the path to a greater feast," it was this guy that made me think of the voodoo demon summoning. Can't imagine anyone but the VooDoo Master being able to talk to the zombies. Plus he would be the only one with something to offer them. They could feast on every single human if the demon gets summoned, because it says if demon does get summoned, then VooDoo guy leaves, and demon kills all the mortals. Zombie Feast if you ask me. Can't imagine the priest fitting here. This one almost has to be the VooDoo Master, imo.

But there's no telling. I'm still trying to piece it all together. It could have been the voodoo guy in both paragraphs, I guess. Two seperate attacks? First one he kills two. Second time he convinces them to leave him be? I really cant see the VooDoo guy being responsible for the zombie deaths unless he's the same guy that then communicates with the second group. Also seems to be a stretch.

I'd lean towards Priest killing the two zombies(then even Survivor over VooDoo if not), and VooDoo doing the communicating.

Props to PS for the phrasing of scenes so far.

Also wanted to add that I also toyed with the notion that VooDoo might have killed the healer, but we still have 3 pairs of murderers. One failed. One hit Healer. One Hit Zombie. I'd suggest even that it was the Lone Avenger that killed the healer, possibly thinking Liosan a faction leader over VooDoo.

So we're gonna have Priest killing zombies, VooDoo killing any humans, Lone Avenger killing any humans, searching for a leader(although he might benefit killing zombies off with human factions first), and Survivor being the biggest unknown when it comes to his possibilities. Probably leaves VooDoo and Zombies equally as dangerous. Zombies can gank(maybe even gank themselves, who says they cant mistake a target), and VooDoo just needing enough maimed bodies to summon a demon that ends the game while not really having to worry about the zombies IF he was the one able to talk to them.

Wow. I feel like we're going into brain surgery. We need to work out some general consensus on what everyone can hopefully agree really happened.


I mean, the analysis seems perfectly reasonable, but it really doesn't fit with how Serc has played up to this point. I've highlighted the parts of his post where he talks about the Survivor role in bold. Doesn't it sound a bit like he's trying to define a role that he already knows stuff about?

If my theory is correct, then the Survivor was originally Liosan, but jumped into Serc last night. The CF we saw of Liosan would actually have been the information about the original player in Serc - eg. Serc before Day 3 was Gust Hubb, a healer in Rivera's group. It might be worth going back and taking a look at the style of Liosan's posts from Days 1 and 2 - do they match what Serc has said so far today? Unfortunately I don't have time to check at the moment.

There are still a couple of loose ends that need to be tied up though. You might ask, for example, why the FM would jump to someone who would be so difficult to mimic. It would be very difficult to follow the performance that Serc put on on Day 2. I hypothesize that the survivor can only jump every other night, and that having selected Serc as his target on Night 1 he had no choice but to make the jump today, regardless of how the Serc alt had been behaving. This might also go some way to explaining why Serc was acting out so much - if he knew that he was going to be usurped during Night 2, then you could imagine him deciding to do everything he could to make himself hard to replace seamlessly.

There's also the question of whether it's worth acting on this information. The Survivor's victory conditions are not mutually exclusive with the human factions, after all. But I would argue that an FM is a pretty dangerous player to keep around. If we leave it a couple of days he'll be gone and we'll have no idea where he is. I think we should act now.

Vote Serc


I was surprised by this change too, but never thought of it like that. Seems possible, though I think its more likely Serc wanted to not be lynched today as he was surprised to have survived the night.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 12:09 PM

It is Day 3. 26 hours and 33 minutes remaining

25 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

13 votes to lynch, 13 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Serc ( Anomandaris )

Players not voted: Anthras, Atrahal, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn
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Posted 02 May 2012 - 01:29 PM

Anomandaris, my real question about the Survivor was me wondeing if the Survivor is still alive when the VooDoo Master wins, would he also win?

But then again someone said they couldnt work together by communicating anyway, so it don't matter. Was just trying to look at all angles.

And I think it says something about it being a High Timer requirement, because out living so many on your own would pretty much pigeon hole you into having to make it til the very end of which could be a long game.


I'm not trying to doubt your theories about the Survivor, because you've been one of the most level-headed posters, but based on the description I really dont see how you'd think anything about swapping roles and alts. If it could do that each time, whats to stop it from swapping to a new body until it runs out of humans? Although I apologize if I misunderstood what you were saying.

As for Liosan getting killed during the night scene, I'm guessing sinse he was indeed revealed by his main char name, that I'm pretty sure he's permanently through.

As for style changes, Day 1 is almost pure luck. And even day 2, I dont feel we had much of anything concrete to go on. I'm not going to defend my play for the first two days. It was what it was.

I think we actually now have alot of good information to go on to finally be able to make some good decisions, or at least some high percentage choices. But I want to go back and do alot of re-reading of a few peoples posts before I even began to form any kind of idea. And that'll have to wait til much later tonight.

Cuz both previous nights someone started a train on someone, which turned out to be a two man race with the early target and me both nights. That sort of forced me to vote for the other guy to save myself. Twice I was forced to vote for someone whom I was giving better than 50/50 odds of being human faction without a choice.

I just dont want to let that happen again tonight. So Ill read the entire damn thread again at work tonight, hopefully, and see if we can make some patterns.

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 01:48 PM

Something else I noticed about Serc. Since Day 3, he always writes 'VooDoo' when talking about the voodoo master. So I did a quick search through Serc's posts to see how he wrote it in the first 2 days. Here's the only instance:

View PostSerc, on 29 April 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

View PostD, on 29 April 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:

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No, I agree completely to the importance of taking out Zombies. And if we can somehow be sure as to someone we think IS or at least have a pretty high suspicion, then we should take them out. But they seem to be laying low, in my opinion. So if by the end of day two if we can't isolate a zombie target I would suggest taking out another member of a faction who is already down two. Seems a safe kill to me. But I was also wondering if you are suggesting that we spend all our time taking out zombies until they are all dead before targeting anyone or anything else?

Human Faction VCs: To be the last faction standing.


I'm not saying this suggests that you're not part of a faction, or maybe you're just part of the BBs, I dont know. That's not where Im going with this. Im just wondering if it wouldnt be a quicker way to victory by taking out the other factions as quickly as possible. But to be honest, its hard to say at this point.


I suggest we go for what seems to be the most SURE target. If we are more sure weve found a zombie, we take it out. If not we can take down each others factions in the stead, especially if we have a really strong suspicion like Galain's seeming connection to Sorrit, who might also be a Faction Leader. Because you said it could be either Sergeant Daniel Jackson - Sergeant of the squad BurnBridgers OR Corporal Mike Horvath - second in command of the BurnBridgers that Sorrit knew as part of his faction. But seeing as he was a dog, a PET, to the Sergeant, I'd say odds are if he knew someone he'd HAVE to know his master, who is also the man who found him (Benny - a border-collie who Sergeant Jackson found after becoming stranded, and decided to bring with him because of his sense of smell.)

If Galain IS a Faction Leader for BBs, then everyone from both other factions, zombies, The Lone Avenger, Survivor, and even the Voodoo Master would all benefit from this.


But I'm more willing to see where everyone else stands before I commit to anything just yet.


And since then:

View PostSerc, on 02 May 2012 - 08:25 AM, said:

Is that how you guys are interpreting the Night Scene, or are you guessing? I'm not disagreeing, I was just trying to figure out what happened, myself.


"Elsewhere, a group of zombies staggered into a sole human. Surely they would catch their pray tonight, with no ghostly apparitions to distract them. But, the prey fumbled with a small figure in his hands, causing one of their Zombie brethren to stumble from the shadows, dragging another through the glass window, down to their deaths. The distraction gave enough time for the human to escape, unharmed."

This paragraph had me thinking that is was more the Priest or Survivor than the VooDoo guy that killed the two zombies in defense.I dont even see the VooDoo master even needing zombies. Seems like he'd need something from the living. Could be wrong. And mainly because the next paragraph sounds more like the VooDoo Master, than this one. And this guy is holding a figure. I guess it could be some sort of VooDoo doll, but it could be a holy relic in the shape of a god as well. But I was thinking that its possible that it was the Survivor with the figure. His description for winning is written "Manipulate and coerce to victory." The method for killing seems like a cohersion of some sort, possibly. Cohersed the Zombie to attack another so he could "survive" by getting away. It's a stretch, just trying to cover all remotely possible explanations. I'd lean more towards the Priest here. Because in the next paragraph:

"Another horde found their target, never noticing they were short a member. But when they reached him, he communicated. The combined might of the Zombies, the hivemind, communicated back. It would not be good to feast upon the flesh of this human now, for he could open the path to a greater feast soon. They left. The zombies were beginning to hunger."

This one had me thinking that the zombies tried to attack the voodoo guy, but he somehow talked to them. And sinse they left convinced this target was going to "open the path to a greater feast," it was this guy that made me think of the voodoo demon summoning. Can't imagine anyone but the VooDoo Master being able to talk to the zombies. Plus he would be the only one with something to offer them. They could feast on every single human if the demon gets summoned, because it says if demon does get summoned, then VooDoo guy leaves, and demon kills all the mortals. Zombie Feast if you ask me. Can't imagine the priest fitting here. This one almost has to be the VooDoo Master, imo.

But there's no telling. I'm still trying to piece it all together. It could have been the voodoo guy in both paragraphs, I guess. Two seperate attacks? First one he kills two. Second time he convinces them to leave him be? I really cant see the VooDoo guy being responsible for the zombie deaths unless he's the same guy that then communicates with the second group. Also seems to be a stretch.

I'd lean towards Priest killing the two zombies(then even Survivor over VooDoo if not), and VooDoo doing the communicating.

Props to PS for the phrasing of scenes so far.

Also wanted to add that I also toyed with the notion that VooDoo might have killed the healer, but we still have 3 pairs of murderers. One failed. One hit Healer. One Hit Zombie. I'd suggest even that it was the Lone Avenger that killed the healer, possibly thinking Liosan a faction leader over VooDoo.

So we're gonna have Priest killing zombies, VooDoo killing any humans, Lone Avenger killing any humans, searching for a leader(although he might benefit killing zombies off with human factions first), and Survivor being the biggest unknown when it comes to his possibilities. Probably leaves VooDoo and Zombies equally as dangerous. Zombies can gank(maybe even gank themselves, who says they cant mistake a target), and VooDoo just needing enough maimed bodies to summon a demon that ends the game while not really having to worry about the zombies IF he was the one able to talk to them.

Wow. I feel like we're going into brain surgery. We need to work out some general consensus on what everyone can hopefully agree really happened.


In red are the instances of 'VooDoo', and in blue are the instances of 'voodoo'. It's quite noticeable just how much the new capitalization has taken hold (and just the fact that he's using the word so much more is something of note, IMO).

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 03:08 PM

Did Liosan say voodoo?

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 03:09 PM

On a phone or I'd look myself

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Posted 02 May 2012 - 03:41 PM

Ha! I knew there was something fishy about Meanas when I accused him of post padding! I'd call this a good night just past, and I wouldn't start panicking about the voodoo guy yet, I'd bet it takes quite a while for him to get everything together to summon that demon. Just look at the other independent roles - priest has to still be around after 10 zombies have died - that takes time - survivor has continue surviving - that takes time - lone avenger's VC involves three specific people out of a starting pool of 32 dying - that takes time. So I reckon the voodoo master is still a way aways from doing anything. Having said that, I'd love us to be rid of him ASAP.

I'll go look at Liosan's posts now I have a little time.

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