[Tellan]

I'm not done with my read-through yet (trying to summon the energy), but I'm really liking Rashan's case on Korv. It just keeps getting stronger.

Vote Korvalain

[Rashan]

Here is a specific reference, by Mockra, to the "Zombie Horde"

I'd be happy with a lynch of Korv or Mockra at this point. Go through their posts. They sound very very similar. It shouldn't take too long as neither has a ton of posts.

 Mockra, on 30 April 2012 - 12:38 AM, said:

 Sheltatha Lore, on 29 April 2012 - 09:00 PM, said:

 Liosan, on 29 April 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

To be coldly analytic, if Galain is a leader, his fate is sealed. The VC for the Lone Avenger stipulates he must kill at least one leader. Without that team having a medic, that leader is toast.

What I would say is if Galain is a leader, either someone protect him to let him keep finding or at least have him give us his find from last night (only if it was a zombie or the voodoo priest, I wouldn't really want the other human characters to be revealed creating targets for the zombies) so that we can have a target for today's lynch. He does still have some teammates left after all.

Right now, Eloth is making my gut itch. He expressed strong reservations over voting for Sorrit. However, he drops a vote with the line I won't be back before time out. Nothing else. No justification, no "sorry but this is the only lynch that will get the numbers," etc. Also I figure, since someone else mentioned Twelve's personal ability to "sniff" out roles early on, we should test at least one of his picks for zombies, and Eloth seems like a good choice to me.

Vote Eloth

I don't know how well I am trusting of twelves gut for this game. During the sign up he said that he wasn't going to have a lot of time to play. If you look at his style of play for day 1 it was even more abrasive then usual. I think that he was actively trying to get himself lynched or killed off at night. I don't know if he was as actively trying to figure out the different dynamics of the game as he usually is.

One thing that I am wondering is if the zombie horde can vote. I doubt that all of the zombies votes can count. Otherwise they will have a huge voting majority. I think that either a zombie can only vote with one of his alts at a time. So by day 3 we should have enough info off of the proceeding lynch trains to start to narrow down the potential list.

I'm not sure I'm convinced about the zombie non-voting thing. On the surface, it seems reasonable, gives the game a fair few days to shape out before any concrete deductions can be made about who can or cannot vote. However, this is a massive game with lots of players even if you discount the zombie horde. This might turn into a 10+ day game (we all expected a bloodbath night 1, but it didn't happen - so who's to say that there will be one), in which case knowing whether someone can or cannot vote already by the 3rd day doesn't sound very balanced to me. I know that on the other side having a voting block of ten doesn't sound balanced either, but if there are two controllers or head zombies or whatever who don't know each other or can't communicate then that makes it harder to fashion a voting block.

At this point, with so few ppl referencing the Horde Pre Zombie CF it think it is in our best interests, and will give us the most info to lynch one of these players. Of the 3 Korv, Tennes and Mockra After going up through page 17 I believe the best vote to be on Korv or Mockra. Thier posting is very similar in tone, time, and style. You'll be hard pressed to get me to not vote either one.

[Ruse]

I've been having problems reading Ano as well and I'm not sure whether to put it down to poor reading ability or potential recruitment. At this stage I'm just going to go with my questionable reading ability, since although I haven't agreed with Ano all that much this game, he's been a pretty useful player (especially compared to some more questionable types )

Also, for the record, I'm still down for a Serc lynch today (Although that said, Rashan's point about the zombies pushing for his lynch makes me more hesitant. Goddammit). I hate the idea that he could be a zombie or independant who keeps wiggling out of lynches. Also if his slip yesterday about surviving the night is true, and that's connected to the person who keeps surviving night actions in PS's posts, then his new helpful attitude can probably be explained by the fact that he had two BP's and has now lost them, or something similar. I'm glad for those people who have figured Serc out, because quite frankly it's as clear as mud to me, and makes me wonder if they've got info I don't And, to be honest, after seeing post breakdowns of the zombie's behaviour, I'm feeling a tad suspicious of being manipulated there.

However, at this point I am more than happy to

Vote Korv

Rashan's case looks good to me

[Rashan]

Whew, took me 6 hrs on and off throughout today. but I am out for at least 6 hrs. Gonna try to check back in later. I only made it through page 17. Depending on how the thread swings, I'll try to pick up my reread tomorrow.

[Anomandaris]

 Rashan, on 02 May 2012 - 04:34 PM, said:

What do they say..he who smelt it dealt it? You are high if you think anyone would jump into the Serc alt. If it is a 2 day jump period, (which I agree is likely based upon the scenes and only 1 NK night one) there is still no way that a FM would jump to Serc. He had 5+ votes on day one and was even back then posting in his odd/retarded style. There are way to many low posters/safe jumps early in the game for him to risk going into the person who was next on the chopping block after Sorrit. I feel like you are reaching. The fact that you even came up with the FM role and have such clearly defined ideas about it are very suspect in my eyes. IF there is a FM in this game, at this point you would be my main guess as to who it would be. Also, if Serc is who I think he is, then he hasn't been jumped into as I didn't have him down as the Rivera Healer.


I am going to go look back at the galain/meanas/D'riss posts. I still think going after zombies is a priority. Best to hit them while they are down.

Reaching? Really? You must have noticed the change in Serc's demeanour between Days 2 and 3. It's rather blatant. I will admit that choosing Serc to jump into is an odd decision, but I don't think it's as unlikely as you are making out if the decision was made during Night 1. Contrary to your assertion, he had 4 votes at the end of Day 1, not 5+, and there was no substance to them other than him being a bit spiky and doing some fishing as far as I can tell.

There is one (slightly meta, but what the hell) argument that makes me doubt myself somewhat. Liosan's last post on Day 1 occurs with more than 24 hours left in the day. At that point Serc had not even posted. That does mean Liosan could have made his decision well before Serc garnered even a single vote, but I find it a little unlikely if that were the case that Liosan would have placed a provisional on a player that hadn't even posted yet.


Also, I'm going to call BS on all these people who are saying they know what Serc's role is. He dropped some RP hints, but since when are they good indicators about what role someone has? There was the post Kaschan pointed out that he claimed sounded like an independent speaking, but I didn't see much in that either.

[Ruse]

Hmm, I'm glad I'm not the only one who's not happy with the people talking about knowing Serc's role.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 16 hours remaining
25 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

13 votes to lynch, 13 votes to go to night.

5 Votes for Korvalain ( Rashan, Anthras, Karosis, Tellan, Ruse )
1 Vote for Serc ( Anomandaris )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Kalse, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Spite, Telas, Tennes, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

[Mockra]

 Rashan, on 02 May 2012 - 10:30 PM, said:

Here is a specific reference, by Mockra, to the "Zombie Horde"

I'd be happy with a lynch of Korv or Mockra at this point. Go through their posts. They sound very very similar. It shouldn't take too long as neither has a ton of posts.

 Mockra, on 30 April 2012 - 12:38 AM, said:

 Sheltatha Lore, on 29 April 2012 - 09:00 PM, said:

 Liosan, on 29 April 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

To be coldly analytic, if Galain is a leader, his fate is sealed. The VC for the Lone Avenger stipulates he must kill at least one leader. Without that team having a medic, that leader is toast.

What I would say is if Galain is a leader, either someone protect him to let him keep finding or at least have him give us his find from last night (only if it was a zombie or the voodoo priest, I wouldn't really want the other human characters to be revealed creating targets for the zombies) so that we can have a target for today's lynch. He does still have some teammates left after all.

Right now, Eloth is making my gut itch. He expressed strong reservations over voting for Sorrit. However, he drops a vote with the line I won't be back before time out. Nothing else. No justification, no "sorry but this is the only lynch that will get the numbers," etc. Also I figure, since someone else mentioned Twelve's personal ability to "sniff" out roles early on, we should test at least one of his picks for zombies, and Eloth seems like a good choice to me.

Vote Eloth

I don't know how well I am trusting of twelves gut for this game. During the sign up he said that he wasn't going to have a lot of time to play. If you look at his style of play for day 1 it was even more abrasive then usual. I think that he was actively trying to get himself lynched or killed off at night. I don't know if he was as actively trying to figure out the different dynamics of the game as he usually is.

One thing that I am wondering is if the zombie horde can vote. I doubt that all of the zombies votes can count. Otherwise they will have a huge voting majority. I think that either a zombie can only vote with one of his alts at a time. So by day 3 we should have enough info off of the proceeding lynch trains to start to narrow down the potential list.

I'm not sure I'm convinced about the zombie non-voting thing. On the surface, it seems reasonable, gives the game a fair few days to shape out before any concrete deductions can be made about who can or cannot vote. However, this is a massive game with lots of players even if you discount the zombie horde. This might turn into a 10+ day game (we all expected a bloodbath night 1, but it didn't happen - so who's to say that there will be one), in which case knowing whether someone can or cannot vote already by the 3rd day doesn't sound very balanced to me. I know that on the other side having a voting block of ten doesn't sound balanced either, but if there are two controllers or head zombies or whatever who don't know each other or can't communicate then that makes it harder to fashion a voting block.

At this point, with so few ppl referencing the Horde Pre Zombie CF it think it is in our best interests, and will give us the most info to lynch one of these players. Of the 3 Korv, Tennes and Mockra After going up through page 17 I believe the best vote to be on Korv or Mockra. Thier posting is very similar in tone, time, and style. You'll be hard pressed to get me to not vote either one.

Poor me. I have no idea why I decided to use horde there - I guess I just read it elsewhere and it stuck subconsciously in my brain. It seems it did for others as well - unless you're suggesting each and every one of them is a zombie?

[Anomandaris]

OK, I think I need to backtrack a little. Just gone back through Serc's posts and noticed some habits that seem to have carried over to Day 3. It would take a very impressive eye for detail to notice that Serc always forgets there's a space in 'a lot', or that he feels that apostrophes only have to be applied in about 50% of the situations they're supposed to. If someone was good enough to incorporate that into their style, then they'd also be good enough to mimic his general demeanour.

So mea culpa, I think I was wrong here. I'm going to keep an open mind about the whole FM thing, but it goes back on the 'unlikely theories' shelf for the time being, methinks.


Remove Vote

[Mockra]

And for the record, I too have no idea about Serc's role supposedly being more clear now. The guy has spouted so much bullshit I fail to see how you can tell the truth from the rest.

[Anthras]

 Mockra, on 02 May 2012 - 10:52 PM, said:

And for the record, I too have no idea about Serc's role supposedly being more clear now. The guy has spouted so much bullshit I fail to see how you can tell the truth from the rest.

I'm guessing its what NAs are for.

and before people jump on this, no, I don't have a clue as to what Serc is.
Though my guess is prolly a zombie.

[Anomandaris]

 Rashan, on 02 May 2012 - 10:21 PM, said:

 Osseric, on 02 May 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

 Thyrllan, on 26 April 2012 - 11:26 PM, said:

 Serc, on 26 April 2012 - 10:30 PM, said:

Why worry about these zombies.
They seem fairly harmless to me.

TGLOTTW (The Glorious Light of Thyrllan the Wise) would say that this is someone just crying out for attention. Notice the strange, almost-haiku-like comment, the lack of reasoning just begging for us to pick up on?

What's Serc's game? That's what I want to know?

 Sheltatha Lore, on 26 April 2012 - 11:31 PM, said:

I is here bitches. Let get this party started the right way. Brains soup anyone.

 Omtose, on 26 April 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:

Question: Why are zombies so popular in culture?

'Cause, when you think about it, they're a bit rubbish really.

Now, a horde of killer guinea pigs, that would be something to behold!

Also, groups of three and timing, you could also look at these three players. All within a few minutes of each other. Admittedly i'm not sure about the whole timing thing, what with having been put in a group like that myself but I can't remember seeing these three mentioned in the analysis so far.

Omtose also brings up Horde That escaped Ano's notice...granted it is of the guinea pig variety. It seems people have "horde" on the brainzzzzzzz

Ah, I did my search for 'zombie horde'. So I would have missed those.


A more recent example of a set of three similar posts:

 Ruse, on 02 May 2012 - 10:39 PM, said:

Hmm, I'm glad I'm not the only one who's not happy with the people talking about knowing Serc's role.

 Mockra, on 02 May 2012 - 10:52 PM, said:

And for the record, I too have no idea about Serc's role supposedly being more clear now. The guy has spouted so much bullshit I fail to see how you can tell the truth from the rest.

 Anthras, on 02 May 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

 Mockra, on 02 May 2012 - 10:52 PM, said:

And for the record, I too have no idea about Serc's role supposedly being more clear now. The guy has spouted so much bullshit I fail to see how you can tell the truth from the rest.

I'm guessing its what NAs are for.

and before people jump on this, no, I don't have a clue as to what Serc is.
Though my guess is prolly a zombie.

Probably a bit cheap to jump on people agreeing with me, but these did all happen within about a 15 minute window. I suspect I'm grouping these together because they are all immediate reactions to something I've said so I notice them more easily though.

[Ruse]

 Anomandaris, on 02 May 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

 Rashan, on 02 May 2012 - 10:21 PM, said:

 Osseric, on 02 May 2012 - 10:09 PM, said:

 Thyrllan, on 26 April 2012 - 11:26 PM, said:

 Serc, on 26 April 2012 - 10:30 PM, said:

Why worry about these zombies.
They seem fairly harmless to me.

TGLOTTW (The Glorious Light of Thyrllan the Wise) would say that this is someone just crying out for attention. Notice the strange, almost-haiku-like comment, the lack of reasoning just begging for us to pick up on?

What's Serc's game? That's what I want to know?

 Sheltatha Lore, on 26 April 2012 - 11:31 PM, said:

I is here bitches. Let get this party started the right way. Brains soup anyone.

 Omtose, on 26 April 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:

Question: Why are zombies so popular in culture?

'Cause, when you think about it, they're a bit rubbish really.

Now, a horde of killer guinea pigs, that would be something to behold!

Also, groups of three and timing, you could also look at these three players. All within a few minutes of each other. Admittedly i'm not sure about the whole timing thing, what with having been put in a group like that myself but I can't remember seeing these three mentioned in the analysis so far.

Omtose also brings up Horde That escaped Ano's notice...granted it is of the guinea pig variety. It seems people have "horde" on the brainzzzzzzz

Ah, I did my search for 'zombie horde'. So I would have missed those.


A more recent example of a set of three similar posts:

 Ruse, on 02 May 2012 - 10:39 PM, said:

Hmm, I'm glad I'm not the only one who's not happy with the people talking about knowing Serc's role.

 Mockra, on 02 May 2012 - 10:52 PM, said:

And for the record, I too have no idea about Serc's role supposedly being more clear now. The guy has spouted so much bullshit I fail to see how you can tell the truth from the rest.

 Anthras, on 02 May 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

 Mockra, on 02 May 2012 - 10:52 PM, said:

And for the record, I too have no idea about Serc's role supposedly being more clear now. The guy has spouted so much bullshit I fail to see how you can tell the truth from the rest.

I'm guessing its what NAs are for.

and before people jump on this, no, I don't have a clue as to what Serc is.
Though my guess is prolly a zombie.

Probably a bit cheap to jump on people agreeing with me, but these did all happen within about a 15 minute window. I suspect I'm grouping these together because they are all immediate reactions to something I've said so I notice them more easily though.

Count me out for this one, this is an unusual time for me to be posting since I normally can't post at this time, and I bet if you took a look at at the other two compared to my posts you wouldn't find much of a match up there. I'm a bit wary of this whole matching up posts thing, just because it seems a bit too obvious.

[Mockra]

Yeah, let's be careful with this, I'd say. And not just because I'm being included. But if we keep going on about it, soon you're going to get no one posting within 45 minutes of each other in case they get accused of being the same person as the one who posted last

[Ruse]

Hah, that would be rather amusing. People would stop talking when other people are around!

[Tulas Shorn]

 Anthras, on 02 May 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

 Mockra, on 02 May 2012 - 10:52 PM, said:

And for the record, I too have no idea about Serc's role supposedly being more clear now. The guy has spouted so much bullshit I fail to see how you can tell the truth from the rest.

I'm guessing its what NAs are for.

and before people jump on this, no, I don't have a clue as to what Serc is.
Though my guess is prolly a zombie.

It's easy, you ignore the bullsit, and suddenly he becomes a very minor player
However, to be fair, the posts he has made since the start of this day have been decidedly more considered and thoughtful than the last few days.

I'm really just checking in, there have been some excellent posts made and I plan to go back and see if I have anything to contribute, but that won't happen until work quietens down in a few hours.

Ano, I wouldn't discount the faceless man entirely, the survivor is the player we know the least about. However, I think you have it wrong with Serc, his play is too distinctive to attract a FM, when there were a lot of safer bets around.

[Tulas Shorn]

 Ruse, on 02 May 2012 - 11:28 PM, said:

Hah, that would be rather amusing. People would stop talking when other people are around!

That could get very interesting... Whoever was quickest could dominate the thread for hours! Iagine if Serc got there first!

[Ruse]

 Tulas Shorn, on 02 May 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:

 Ruse, on 02 May 2012 - 11:28 PM, said:

Hah, that would be rather amusing. People would stop talking when other people are around!

That could get very interesting... Whoever was quickest could dominate the thread for hours! Iagine if Serc got there first!

We'd just have a repeat of the last two days

[Anomandaris]

OK, well I'm going to bed. I find Rashan's arguments about Korvalain to be pretty persuasive, so I will add my weight to the train as I don't know how much I'll be able to post tomorrow.

Vote Korvalain

[Kaschan]

Tellan, you missed the fact that there are two different groups of Zombies. Your 'fake distancing fights' could be real disagreements between two the two different groups of zombies, each controlled by a different person. Especially since in the scene two died then one died, and the 'fake distancing fights' you have brought up were between the top one and the bottom one listed in CF. That is an assumption on my part that PS wouldn't 'randomize' the order of CF listing on the zombie death list.

I am absolutely boggled by the couple of people who claim to know just what Serc is. So far he has claimed to be the Ind Priest, a Finder, and a DR Manipulator. I find it curious that there has been 3-4 people protecting Serc every single day.