[Korabas]

Back from a long Weekend. Going to catch up.

[Okaros]

Okaros, on 15 April 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 15 April 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

To me this has been a very confusing game so far but enjoyable. Who's around? Atrahal's case ^ is very interesting, it is well thought out and makes a lot of sense. The only thing i'd say is that if we think he is not HoA then another target may be better for today, when the number of players is decreased then we could look at lynching Alkend but I personally find Korlat the better candidate of coming up HoA.

I am around for a bit. I think that Atrahal's case is very interesting. And since it focuses on someone who could be either a part or either faction or a totally separate party. While I am still against lynching. Their is one for sure revealed HoA player and that is Merrid. To just follow your line of thinking kesso.

Korlat, on 16 April 2012 - 12:27 PM, said:

Okaros, on 16 April 2012 - 01:42 AM, said:

Barghast, on 15 April 2012 - 11:41 PM, said:

Okaros, on 15 April 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 15 April 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

To me this has been a very confusing game so far but enjoyable. Who's around? Atrahal's case ^ is very interesting, it is well thought out and makes a lot of sense. The only thing i'd say is that if we think he is not HoA then another target may be better for today, when the number of players is decreased then we could look at lynching Alkend but I personally find Korlat the better candidate of coming up HoA.

I am around for a bit. I think that Atrahal's case is very interesting. And since it focuses on someone who could be either a part or either faction or a totally separate party. While I am still against lynching. Their is one for sure revealed HoA player and that is Merrid. To just follow your line of thinking kesso.

What makes Merrid a "for sure revealed HoA player"? I don't understand that as there is nothing blatantly stating Merrid is HoA, which you could only know if you purchased the contract that told you his role/alignment/titles. Did you buy that contract?

No I did not buy his information. But I did read his post

Merrid, on 13 April 2012 - 12:12 AM, said:

Fuck anyone getting money for this info. I am a merchant and i did not take a night action.

If you wsnt to pay for my faction go ahead. Not going to announce that.

Now it could just be me but I don't think that the nepeth, cult or the thieves have merchants. But you know who does have Merchants someone who is a member of the HoA. So really I guess I just put two and two together and came up with 4. Sorry to have implied that I knew his exact role and alignment. I don't. But I do feel pretty secure in reading his post and saying that he is HoA. I mean who wouldn't. I guess only someone who doesn't bother to read up on the thread.

I don't understand. Why are you taking his reveal at face value with no questioning of it? You should NEVER accept a reveal without at least considering the possibility that whoever gave it might be lying. Merrid was reacting to the fact that his information was posted on the market - do you think he would have admitted it if he was the assassin? I doubt it somehow. Merchant is the 'safe' reveal option in this game, because unlike say 'finder' or 'warrior' it implies no belligerence towards the other players. So as far as I'm concerned that's what Merrid would say no matter what his role actually is. To base assumptions like that on what he has claimed outright is foolish, IMO. And certainly he is not 'confirmed HoA', as you claim.

I'm very surprised at logic like this - I can't believe someone would come to this conclusion if they were thinking rationally and logically. So I can only assume that something else is going on here. Maybe Okaros bought the info on Merrid and therefore knows his alignment for certain? That would make the original statement about Merrid being 'confirmed HoA' a slip-up and this an attempt to cover his tracks...would make some sense.

Umm Korlat did you even bother to read what I was originally responding to. Or did you just happen to see Merrids name come up and decide that you should get in a huffy fit and defend his virtue. I originally posted that if Kesso followed his line of thinking...i.e. that you were HOA. Then Merrid is a for sure revealed HOA player. Then Barghast asked where I got that information and I pointed it out. Now I could be that you your self have trouble following lines of thought well. That is something that you should probably take up with your elementary school teachers. To clarify for YOU I was attempting to point out to Kesso that you were about as much as a HOA as Merrid and he came on the thread a claimed to be one. I was not stating that I bought his reveal. The only thing that I ever trust is someone's CF.

But your rapid defense of Merrid is interesting to say the least. IF this was a normal mafia game I would have to say that Merrid was your master and you were a over eager symp. But alas I can not make that connecting in this game. Instead I can say that I think that you bought Merrid's information and know that he is on your team. Either that or your lovers. So thanks for the reaction. It wasn't what I was looking for but it more then suffices.

[Okaros]

Atrahal, on 16 April 2012 - 03:58 PM, said:

Anthras, on 16 April 2012 - 03:44 PM, said:

Oh, wow I completely missed that stuff. Must have read that while I was half asleep or something.

Okay, I will support a lynch then. I have Merrid as HoA, if only because of his "reveal". Someone mentioned Korlat, I believe, and I'd like to know why. And Alkend was the other choice. My feel on Korlat is that she is not HoA, and Alkend I don't feel either way.

I'm willing to follow here, mostly because the opportunity has been there to buy information on these guys, and I've not done so for anyone, so I'd feel more comfortable voting along with someone who is in the know, ya know?

I just made a pretty large case on Alkend - you don't feel either way or have anything to say about it? That's kinda weird. I'd like to hear your thoughts on Alkend's play so far, the slipup he just made, and how that relates to the context of a lynch and his alignment. I don't think you can get away with an "I dunnno" on this one.

--- Also , who are you "following"? How would anyone of us know who is "in the know" without a direct reveal or off-thread info or a Bazaar purchase (which you deny)? Are you just waiting on someone in particular to vote first? Cause I mean, that's what it looks like you're saying.

I think that he is waiting for a finder to come on and lead him to a lynch of scum. If that is so then he probably has a long wait.

[Okaros]

Also it looks like Merrid has attracted a enemy who would rather have someone else do their dirty work for them.

[Okaros]

And once again I am the only one here and I seem to be spamming the thread again. I suppose I should leave before I hurt Tiam's feelings again.

[Korlat]

Okaros, on 16 April 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

Umm Korlat did you even bother to read what I was originally responding to. Or did you just happen to see Merrids name come up and decide that you should get in a huffy fit and defend his virtue. I originally posted that if Kesso followed his line of thinking...i.e. that you were HOA. Then Merrid is a for sure revealed HOA player. Then Barghast asked where I got that information and I pointed it out. Now I could be that you your self have trouble following lines of thought well. That is something that you should probably take up with your elementary school teachers. To clarify for YOU I was attempting to point out to Kesso that you were about as much as a HOA as Merrid and he came on the thread a claimed to be one. I was not stating that I bought his reveal. The only thing that I ever trust is someone's CF.

But your rapid defense of Merrid is interesting to say the least. IF this was a normal mafia game I would have to say that Merrid was your master and you were a over eager symp. But alas I can not make that connecting in this game. Instead I can say that I think that you bought Merrid's information and know that he is on your team. Either that or your lovers. So thanks for the reaction. It wasn't what I was looking for but it more then suffices.

I did indeed read it. And if that was what you meant, then you need to express yourself more clearly. That is not at all the impression I get when reading this:

Okaros, on 15 April 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 15 April 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

To me this has been a very confusing game so far but enjoyable. Who's around? Atrahal's case ^ is very interesting, it is well thought out and makes a lot of sense. The only thing i'd say is that if we think he is not HoA then another target may be better for today, when the number of players is decreased then we could look at lynching Alkend but I personally find Korlat the better candidate of coming up HoA.

I am around for a bit. I think that Atrahal's case is very interesting. And since it focuses on someone who could be either a part or either faction or a totally separate party. While I am still against lynching. Their is one for sure revealed HoA player and that is Merrid. To just follow your line of thinking kesso.

If you want people to understand what you write, then use full sentences rather than fragments, don't make spelling mistakes, and put your assumptions before any statements you derive from them. Otherwise you don't get to tell me to go and speak with my primary school teachers.

[Anthras]

Atrahal, on 16 April 2012 - 03:58 PM, said:

Anthras, on 16 April 2012 - 03:44 PM, said:

Oh, wow I completely missed that stuff. Must have read that while I was half asleep or something.

Okay, I will support a lynch then. I have Merrid as HoA, if only because of his "reveal". Someone mentioned Korlat, I believe, and I'd like to know why. And Alkend was the other choice. My feel on Korlat is that she is not HoA, and Alkend I don't feel either way.

I'm willing to follow here, mostly because the opportunity has been there to buy information on these guys, and I've not done so for anyone, so I'd feel more comfortable voting along with someone who is in the know, ya know?

I just made a pretty large case on Alkend - you don't feel either way or have anything to say about it? That's kinda weird. I'd like to hear your thoughts on Alkend's play so far, the slipup he just made, and how that relates to the context of a lynch and his alignment. I don't think you can get away with an "I dunnno" on this one.

--- Also , who are you "following"? How would anyone of us know who is "in the know" without a direct reveal or off-thread info or a Bazaar purchase (which you deny)? Are you just waiting on someone in particular to vote first? Cause I mean, that's what it looks like you're saying.

I think his slip ups are strange, but could be innocent. One of your points that he bought Merrid's info and then tried to get him lynched by calling him "confirmed HoA" makes Alkend an Alliance player, so that leads away from my suspicion.

I meant following in that I wouldn't be making my own case. I'll look at what people say, and if enough people support it, and they were one of the people whose information was being sold, then I will know that's a safe vote.

[Korlat]

In fact, you also say this:

Okaros, on 16 April 2012 - 01:42 AM, said:

Now it could just be me but I don't think that the nepeth, cult or the thieves have merchants. But you know who does have Merchants someone who is a member of the HoA. So really I guess I just put two and two together and came up with 4. Sorry to have implied that I knew his exact role and alignment. I don't. But I do feel pretty secure in reading his post and saying that he is HoA. I mean who wouldn't. I guess only someone who doesn't bother to read up on the thread.

That is not using a hypothetical based on what Kessobahn said in the slightest, that is claiming a reasonable degree of certainty without any caveat. Take my reaction however you want, but don't lie about what you've said because I'll call you on it. Your logic was faulty, and your defence of that logic is even worse.

To need to resort to changing your claim after the fact seems pretty desperate to me. What would motivate such backtracking? I can't believe it would just be that you'd bought the information, like I suggested earlier. Perhaps it's nervousness at having dropped clues about what faction he's on? Irrespective of the cause, it's clear he's jumpy about something. It's just a question of what, really.

EDIT: Grammar. I wouldn't want to leave sentence fragments lying around

This post has been edited by Korlat: 16 April 2012 - 05:42 PM

[Korabas]

vote barghast

He hasn't had his info up for sale. I get the feeling he is the one putting up others info. I don't really have any evidence to back this up more of a gut feeling with some thread observation.it probably won't go anywhere...but I am happy with it for now.

I don't have a ton of time to play today so my posts will be minimal.

I am also a bit worried that the HoA has 3 titles, I think we need to lynch one soon, as they are 2 titles away from victory.

[Atrahal]

Anthras, on 16 April 2012 - 05:32 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 16 April 2012 - 03:58 PM, said:

Anthras, on 16 April 2012 - 03:44 PM, said:

Oh, wow I completely missed that stuff. Must have read that while I was half asleep or something.

Okay, I will support a lynch then. I have Merrid as HoA, if only because of his "reveal". Someone mentioned Korlat, I believe, and I'd like to know why. And Alkend was the other choice. My feel on Korlat is that she is not HoA, and Alkend I don't feel either way.

I'm willing to follow here, mostly because the opportunity has been there to buy information on these guys, and I've not done so for anyone, so I'd feel more comfortable voting along with someone who is in the know, ya know?

I just made a pretty large case on Alkend - you don't feel either way or have anything to say about it? That's kinda weird. I'd like to hear your thoughts on Alkend's play so far, the slipup he just made, and how that relates to the context of a lynch and his alignment. I don't think you can get away with an "I dunnno" on this one.

--- Also , who are you "following"? How would anyone of us know who is "in the know" without a direct reveal or off-thread info or a Bazaar purchase (which you deny)? Are you just waiting on someone in particular to vote first? Cause I mean, that's what it looks like you're saying.

I think his slip ups are strange, but could be innocent. One of your points that he bought Merrid's info and then tried to get him lynched by calling him "confirmed HoA" makes Alkend an Alliance player, so that leads away from my suspicion.

I meant following in that I wouldn't be making my own case. I'll look at what people say, and if enough people support it, and they were one of the people whose information was being sold, then I will know that's a safe vote.

Actually, I never mentioned Merrid at all, much less as one of my points against Alkend... But you have reiterated in the last few posts again and again that "Merrid is HoA". And you have denied many times that you bought his info. So, something is not right.

I do remember some other post I made awhile back speculating that the selling of info could be used to start a lynch, but that was awhile back, if I remember rightly (can't find the post atm). Had nothing to do with this.

So, what "slipups" of Alkend's did you mean? I didn't see you actually reference or discuss your thoughts on any of them.

Also, let's say hypothetically you were right, and I did mention that - how does that make you less suspicious? If Alkend is, like I'm suggesting, from an alternate Faction with his own VCs, then it would make perfect sense for him to try to get Merrid lynched if he knew or guessed from Merrid's reveal that he was HoA. But because you are so sure Merrid is HoA, you aren't concerned about him and that also reduces your suspicion of Alkend....

Only thing that could make sense to me here is either you're lying about buying Merrid's info or you got the info another way - like maybe you're the Finder. And in a game like this, with the Bazaar making the info available to the highest bidder, that is a powerful role that just might end up on the HoA side of the equation. Either way, your lack of concern about Alkend and your certainty of Merrid are combining to produce a decent amount of information about you. Either you're a liar or you know things other people don't.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 26 hours and 3 minutes remaining

12 Players still alive: Alkend, Anthras, Atrahal, Barghast, Galayn Lord, Kessobahn, Korabas, Korlat, Merrid, Okaros, Omtose, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Alkend ( Atrahal )
1 Vote for Barghast ( Korabas )

Players not voted: Alkend, Anthras, Barghast, Galayn Lord, Kessobahn, Korlat, Merrid, Okaros, Omtose, Tiamatha

[Okaros]

Korlat, on 16 April 2012 - 05:39 PM, said:

In fact, you also say this:

Okaros, on 16 April 2012 - 01:42 AM, said:

Now it could just be me but I don't think that the nepeth, cult or the thieves have merchants. But you know who does have Merchants someone who is a member of the HoA. So really I guess I just put two and two together and came up with 4. Sorry to have implied that I knew his exact role and alignment. I don't. But I do feel pretty secure in reading his post and saying that he is HoA. I mean who wouldn't. I guess only someone who doesn't bother to read up on the thread.

That is not using a hypothetical based on what Kessobahn said in the slightest, that is claiming a reasonable degree of certainty without any caveat. Take my reaction however you want, but don't lie about what you've said because I'll call you on it. Your logic was faulty, and your defence of that logic is even worse.

To need to resort to changing your claim after the fact seems pretty desperate to me. What would motivate such backtracking? I can't believe it would just be that you'd bought the information, like I suggested earlier. Perhaps it's nervousness at having dropped clues about what faction he's on? Irrespective of the cause, it's clear he's jumpy about something. It's just a question of what, really.

EDIT: Grammar. I wouldn't want to leave sentence fragments lying around

I am not changing my claim. You are trying to take two different conversations. See the time stamp on my reply to barghast and my comment to Kesso. You are being defensive because I called you out on defending Merrid. The fact that it is a blatant defense when people have linked you to HOA is nothing to be looked over. Your attempt to say that I am nervous about my faction or that I am backtracking is nothing but strawmaning at it best. I agree that someone here is jumpy. Perhaps it is the person who decided to defend someone who isn't himself.

[Okaros]

Atrahal, on 16 April 2012 - 06:24 PM, said:

Anthras, on 16 April 2012 - 05:32 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 16 April 2012 - 03:58 PM, said:

Anthras, on 16 April 2012 - 03:44 PM, said:

Oh, wow I completely missed that stuff. Must have read that while I was half asleep or something.

Okay, I will support a lynch then. I have Merrid as HoA, if only because of his "reveal". Someone mentioned Korlat, I believe, and I'd like to know why. And Alkend was the other choice. My feel on Korlat is that she is not HoA, and Alkend I don't feel either way.

I'm willing to follow here, mostly because the opportunity has been there to buy information on these guys, and I've not done so for anyone, so I'd feel more comfortable voting along with someone who is in the know, ya know?

I just made a pretty large case on Alkend - you don't feel either way or have anything to say about it? That's kinda weird. I'd like to hear your thoughts on Alkend's play so far, the slipup he just made, and how that relates to the context of a lynch and his alignment. I don't think you can get away with an "I dunnno" on this one.

--- Also , who are you "following"? How would anyone of us know who is "in the know" without a direct reveal or off-thread info or a Bazaar purchase (which you deny)? Are you just waiting on someone in particular to vote first? Cause I mean, that's what it looks like you're saying.

I think his slip ups are strange, but could be innocent. One of your points that he bought Merrid's info and then tried to get him lynched by calling him "confirmed HoA" makes Alkend an Alliance player, so that leads away from my suspicion.

I meant following in that I wouldn't be making my own case. I'll look at what people say, and if enough people support it, and they were one of the people whose information was being sold, then I will know that's a safe vote.

Actually, I never mentioned Merrid at all, much less as one of my points against Alkend... But you have reiterated in the last few posts again and again that "Merrid is HoA". And you have denied many times that you bought his info. So, something is not right.

I do remember some other post I made awhile back speculating that the selling of info could be used to start a lynch, but that was awhile back, if I remember rightly (can't find the post atm). Had nothing to do with this.

So, what "slipups" of Alkend's did you mean? I didn't see you actually reference or discuss your thoughts on any of them.

Also, let's say hypothetically you were right, and I did mention that - how does that make you less suspicious? If Alkend is, like I'm suggesting, from an alternate Faction with his own VCs, then it would make perfect sense for him to try to get Merrid lynched if he knew or guessed from Merrid's reveal that he was HoA. But because you are so sure Merrid is HoA, you aren't concerned about him and that also reduces your suspicion of Alkend....

Only thing that could make sense to me here is either you're lying about buying Merrid's info or you got the info another way - like maybe you're the Finder. And in a game like this, with the Bazaar making the info available to the highest bidder, that is a powerful role that just might end up on the HoA side of the equation. Either way, your lack of concern about Alkend and your certainty of Merrid are combining to produce a decent amount of information about you. Either you're a liar or you know things other people don't.

I think that he is looking my the pissing contest I have going with Korlat and trying to use that to get Merrid in front of himself for a possible lynch. When you couple that with Korlats defense of Merrid. This is a fun day of connections.

[Okaros]

Korlat, on 16 April 2012 - 05:22 PM, said:

Okaros, on 16 April 2012 - 04:36 PM, said:

Umm Korlat did you even bother to read what I was originally responding to. Or did you just happen to see Merrids name come up and decide that you should get in a huffy fit and defend his virtue. I originally posted that if Kesso followed his line of thinking...i.e. that you were HOA. Then Merrid is a for sure revealed HOA player. Then Barghast asked where I got that information and I pointed it out. Now I could be that you your self have trouble following lines of thought well. That is something that you should probably take up with your elementary school teachers. To clarify for YOU I was attempting to point out to Kesso that you were about as much as a HOA as Merrid and he came on the thread a claimed to be one. I was not stating that I bought his reveal. The only thing that I ever trust is someone's CF.

But your rapid defense of Merrid is interesting to say the least. IF this was a normal mafia game I would have to say that Merrid was your master and you were a over eager symp. But alas I can not make that connecting in this game. Instead I can say that I think that you bought Merrid's information and know that he is on your team. Either that or your lovers. So thanks for the reaction. It wasn't what I was looking for but it more then suffices.

I did indeed read it. And if that was what you meant, then you need to express yourself more clearly. That is not at all the impression I get when reading this:

Okaros, on 15 April 2012 - 10:26 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 15 April 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

To me this has been a very confusing game so far but enjoyable. Who's around? Atrahal's case ^ is very interesting, it is well thought out and makes a lot of sense. The only thing i'd say is that if we think he is not HoA then another target may be better for today, when the number of players is decreased then we could look at lynching Alkend but I personally find Korlat the better candidate of coming up HoA.

I am around for a bit. I think that Atrahal's case is very interesting. And since it focuses on someone who could be either a part or either faction or a totally separate party. While I am still against lynching. Their is one for sure revealed HoA player and that is Merrid. To just follow your line of thinking kesso.

If you want people to understand what you write, then use full sentences rather than fragments, don't make spelling mistakes, and put your assumptions before any statements you derive from them. Otherwise you don't get to tell me to go and speak with my primary school teachers.

i will right how I have always righten it is not for you to judge. lest yeah be judged or you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Have you spoken to them yet if not see above sentence. ^

[Anthras]

Atrahal, on 16 April 2012 - 06:24 PM, said:

Actually, I never mentioned Merrid at all, much less as one of my points against Alkend... But you have reiterated in the last few posts again and again that "Merrid is HoA". And you have denied many times that you bought his info. So, something is not right.





Only thing that could make sense to me here is either you're lying about buying Merrid's info or you got the info another way - like maybe you're the Finder. And in a game like this, with the Bazaar making the info available to the highest bidder, that is a powerful role that just might end up on the HoA side of the equation. Either way, your lack of concern about Alkend and your certainty of Merrid are combining to produce a decent amount of information about you. Either you're a liar or you know things other people don't.

My reading comprehension is horrible today, apparently. Let me address individual points as I see fit.

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So, what "slipups" of Alkend's did you mean? I didn't see you actually reference or discuss your thoughts on any of them.

The slip ups that you point out, and discuss with Alkend. I told you I believe they could be innocent slip ups. You want me to find your post (which I read and formed an opinion on) and debate it point by point? I don't agree with it as a whole, and I left it at that because I don't feel like defending someone who I don't care about in the slightest.

If you want me to be specific, his slip ups about the dreadfather, mystery roles, and alliances. I find those completely innocent, and that could have happened to me if I didn't go back and research the names.

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Also, let's say hypothetically you were right, and I did mention that - how does that make you less suspicious? If Alkend is, like I'm suggesting, from an alternate Faction with his own VCs, then it would make perfect sense for him to try to get Merrid lynched if he knew or guessed from Merrid's reveal that he was HoA. But because you are so sure Merrid is HoA, you aren't concerned about him and that also reduces your suspicion of Alkend....

I don't know why you make this connection. Are you thinking of someone else who is sure about Merrid being HoA? If so, no hard feelings, I've apparently done that often enough.

I see Merrid's pseudo reveal as a mistake of stress, to reveal as a merchant pretty much guarantees he is revealing as an HoA. I don't see what purpose he would have to do that if he were Alliance.

If Alkend is from an alternate faction he would be trying to get anyone lynched that wouldn't mess with his VC, other than himself of course. So yes, that would make sense. I don't see what Merrid being HoA instead of Alliance has to do with that at all.


Okay, putting aside annoyance, I just went and took a close look at your case. I take back that I don't agree with it. I think Alkend could very well be a 2nd faction. My apologies, I'm sure I skimmed the long post.

Now, why do we want to lynch this independent instead of a member of the HoA? Do you feel the independant's VC is closer to fruition than the purchasing of two titles?

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Only thing that could make sense to me here is either you're lying about buying Merrid's info or you got the info another way - like maybe you're the Finder. And in a game like this, with the Bazaar making the info available to the highest bidder, that is a powerful role that just might end up on the HoA side of the equation. Either way, your lack of concern about Alkend and your certainty of Merrid are combining to produce a decent amount of information about you. Either you're a liar or you know things other people don't.

My lack of concern about Alkend has been corrected, thanks to your (for once useful) badgering, and my certainty of Merrid is imagined.

I think you're stretching on the Merrid part, and rightfully angry about your Alkend case not receiving my attention. If you'd be so kind as to respond to my questions after the previous quote (namely the questions on lynch priority), that would be lovely.

[Anthras]

It certainly does appear that Korlat was defending Merrid, there. I have Korlat as Alliance, which would put Merrid at alliance as well.

Not sure what to think at this point, eagerly awaiting what Atrahal has to say again. Might be gone for a bit, but I'll be on when I can.

[Anthras]

Just glanced at the bazaar. That's an awesome Djinn. Very cool, Tapper.

Also, I'd like to point out that people are selling a large quantity of goods for a low price. This makes me think someone is close to purchasing a title. The high quantity makes me think of Korlat, and his promises that he spent all his money on upgrading buildings.

Despite my thoughts that he is Alliance, this is leaning me the other way.

[Galayn Lord]

Replying as I go.

Anthras, on 14 April 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

Contrary to the beginning of the game, I now feel both sides have equal killing roles. I think the assassin may even be a neutral faction, with different winning VCs... Maybe not, but either way, it seems instead of lynching we were meant to let deaths happen via the different combative people.

How so? I don't see where you get the idea that we are meant to let them do all the killing from. The only people who are likely to benefit from such a thing that are the people doing the killing.

[Galayn Lord]

Atrahal, on 15 April 2012 - 06:44 AM, said:

Ok, I decided it was important to go back and read the names, and I discovered...well, a lot.

Alkend, on 15 April 2012 - 03:40 AM, said:

I read that as more that the Dreadfather has the potential to wreak havock on the thieves but is currently allied with them. Which isn't to say that the allience will be permanant through the game. Would make sense since there's another role out there, I'd guess they'd be semi-allied with the Houses of Agreement as well.

Also, if you take a look at the bazaar you'll see that the Riddle of Despair has been marked at how much it's been used, which is all the actions except the last.

snip

And then Alkend says this "Would make sense since there's another role out there, I'd guess they'd be semi-allied with the Houses of Agreement as well." Wait, what? "Another role?" Why would he assume there's just two mystery roles in the game? Also...the OP states:

"Mystery factions have their victory conditions in a seperate PM. Mystery factions can be on either side of the equation."

snip

That's a lot of info. And I do this to say, Alkend, how could you make so many obvious mistakes? Referring to and assuming the Dreadfather was "a mystery role" and was probably allied with the HoA as well, just like the "other role"? Either he's had contact with the Dreadfather and didn't realize he was a Cult member (or maybe he just never bothered to look up the name), or he's actually got knowledge of this supposed "other role", which is "probably also allied with the House of Alliances." There is just too much info here that has to come from somewhere else.

And even though he could be aligned with either faction and be able to make the post above, my real suspicion is that he assumed the Dreadfather was a "mystery role" like he was and misspoke when he implied there were only two of their kind. If he's somehow allied with both "sides", that would make a lot of sense too, or if he was able to switch his allegiance. In the last game we had single-Role Faction members whose VCs were very much out of their hands; for instance, they aligned with the Faction of the first player that died. Not much of a choice. Also, he would probably be more likely to slip up and talk about "mystery roles" if he was the one person from a mystery faction. Seems like he is or could be aligned with either faction if he chose to, though, unlike the previous game. You wouldn't assume something like that had changed...unless you had good reason.

So Alkend, you did disappear, you have low-posted, and I accuse you of making massive slipups that reveal you know more than a lot of people and should be considered extremely dangerous as a "mystery" element.

I can't remember what the rules are for the weekend, but

Vote Alkend

If that needs to be redone on Monday to be valid, then this was just for emphasis.

edit - added the word "goods"

An interesting case and I think that you might be onto something here.
So far we have only gotten the information that the Night Prophet is active, so I guess that his faction is one of the mystery factions, but as far as I recall we never learned of another faction that could be a mystery faction, didn't we? So were did the information that there IS another
mystery role come from?

[Galayn Lord]

Kessobahn, on 15 April 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

To me this has been a very confusing game so far but enjoyable. Who's around? Atrahal's case ^ is very interesting, it is well thought out and makes a lot of sense. The only thing i'd say is that if we think he is not HoA then another target may be better for today, when the number of players is decreased then we could look at lynching Alkend but I personally find Korlat the better candidate of coming up HoA.

Mind to explain why? Korlat was accused of having the ability to kill and being a warrior in the last case against her.
Alkend has been accused of potentially being a mystery role, where we know nothing of the winning condition, but it seems you would favor a HoA lynch over removing someone like that.
It sounds a lot like you are knowing Alkend and don't want him lynched because he is on your team.