[Anthras]

Those contracts against Merrid are scary.

2000. That's cheap for all that information. Quite a few people will pay that, probably. That gives a lot of people Merrid's info, and the person who offered the contract quite a nice lump of cash.

[Atrahal]

Omtose, on 12 April 2012 - 10:55 PM, said:

Barghast, on 12 April 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

Omtose, on 12 April 2012 - 10:49 PM, said:

I don't understand the newest contract (C4Z). What does it mean by delivered?

Neither do I. Maybe we have to tell PS 1 good of ours to give freely to the contract giver in exchange for 10000$?

That seems....too good to be true, no?

I think it's the opposite. The contract lister is saying, you pay $10k, you get any 1 good of your choice in your Storage. ANY good. So the contract lister must have a lot of shit or be able to make whatever is requested.

[Korlat]

Omtose, on 12 April 2012 - 10:49 PM, said:

I don't understand the newest contract (C4Z). What does it mean by delivered?

My interpretation is that in exchange for 10k dinari, whoever posted the contract will somehow give the person who paid the money one good of their choice (which they will receive on Day 3). Could be some kind of special ability, could be someone with a Transmuter building and magic to spare, maybe?

EDIT: X-post with Atrahal

This post has been edited by Korlat: 12 April 2012 - 11:01 PM

[Anthras]

Atrahal, on 12 April 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

Of course, whoever purchased it could reveal it on thread and then screw over both Merrid and the contract lister. But that's improbable.

That's a good idea. Anyone willing to drop 2k?


Also, the last contract is obviously offering to give the purchaser any good they ask for, at the cost of 10k dinari.

I don't really see the point of that, everything is going much cheaper than that.

[Atrahal]

Omtose, on 12 April 2012 - 10:58 PM, said:

And we haven't even talked about Huassan's Riddle of Despair. I think that could be hilarious

I reckon it's possible that someone's already had the item during the previous day, and thus done one of the actions, and now put it on the market for the next person.

Interesting thought, so would the actions happen automatically? Or how would you know which had been completed and which ones were left?

[Omtose]

Atrahal, on 12 April 2012 - 10:59 PM, said:

Omtose, on 12 April 2012 - 10:55 PM, said:

Barghast, on 12 April 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

Omtose, on 12 April 2012 - 10:49 PM, said:

I don't understand the newest contract (C4Z). What does it mean by delivered?

Neither do I. Maybe we have to tell PS 1 good of ours to give freely to the contract giver in exchange for 10000$?

That seems....too good to be true, no?

I think it's the opposite. The contract lister is saying, you pay $10k, you get any 1 good of your choice in your Storage. ANY good. So the contract lister must have a lot of shit or be able to make whatever is requested.

Korlat, on 12 April 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

Omtose, on 12 April 2012 - 10:49 PM, said:

I don't understand the newest contract (C4Z). What does it mean by delivered?

My interpretation is that in exchange for 10k dinari, whoever posted the contract will somehow give the person who paid the money one good of their choice (which they will receive on Day 3). Could be some kind of special ability, could be someone with a Transmuter building and magic to spare, maybe?

EDIT: X-post with Atrahal

Ah, that must be it! Stupid wording. Yeah, must be a Transmuter or something like that.

[Anthras]

I x-posted with several people, sorry.

[Omtose]

Atrahal, on 12 April 2012 - 11:01 PM, said:

Omtose, on 12 April 2012 - 10:58 PM, said:

And we haven't even talked about Huassan's Riddle of Despair. I think that could be hilarious

I reckon it's possible that someone's already had the item during the previous day, and thus done one of the actions, and now put it on the market for the next person.

Interesting thought, so would the actions happen automatically? Or how would you know which had been completed and which ones were left?

I'm assuming that's the point - you wouldn't. It's a game of chance. You'd go for it if you think that you will survive Assassination. But if it works like other items do (I think all of them do anyway) then it can only be used once per cycle, meaning it will take at least a minimum of five days to activate. Alternatively, it may be possible to use it in more than one phase per cycle.

Edit: changed nights to days

This post has been edited by Omtose: 12 April 2012 - 11:06 PM

[Atrahal]

Anthras, on 12 April 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 12 April 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

Of course, whoever purchased it could reveal it on thread and then screw over both Merrid and the contract lister. But that's improbable.

That's a good idea. Anyone willing to drop 2k?


Also, the last contract is obviously offering to give the purchaser any good they ask for, at the cost of 10k dinari.

I don't really see the point of that, everything is going much cheaper than that.

Not necessarily; there's a Monument listed for $8.5k. And look how much more it takes to create a Ziggurat. So it would be worth more than that, at least right now in market value. So that could be one way to use it effectively.

[Atrahal]

Omtose, on 12 April 2012 - 11:04 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 12 April 2012 - 11:01 PM, said:

Omtose, on 12 April 2012 - 10:58 PM, said:

And we haven't even talked about Huassan's Riddle of Despair. I think that could be hilarious

I reckon it's possible that someone's already had the item during the previous day, and thus done one of the actions, and now put it on the market for the next person.

Interesting thought, so would the actions happen automatically? Or how would you know which had been completed and which ones were left?

I'm assuming that's the point - you wouldn't. It's a game of chance. You'd go for it if you think that you will survive Assassination. But if it works like other items do (I think all of them do anyway) then it can only be used once per cycle, meaning it will take at least a minimum of five nights to activate. Alternatively, it may be possible to use it in more than one phase per cycle.

Ahhh....makes a lot more sense. Very interesting. And a bit tense and risky. But I guess the $7.5k payout could be worth it if you played it right.

[Karatallid]

Atrahal, on 12 April 2012 - 10:53 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 12 April 2012 - 10:47 PM, said:

C8K, First person to put a retainer on the bazaar, and not buy it back, for 4000 dinari will recieve 1000 dinari.
C9L, First person to put 2 Scribes on Bazaar for 2k Ea and not buy them back will receive 1000 dinari


So how do these contracts benefit the person offerring them?

Well, my guess is that the person offering the contracts is giving someone incentive to sell those items by offering cash to list the goods, but theoretically, the player listing the goods could buy them back, I guess...and that would really screw the person who listed the contract. Because they'd have to pay the person who listed the goods, but they wouldn't be able to buy them (which was the entire point of the contract).

Reading this makes my head spin.

[Korlat]

Stepping away from bazaaro-world for a minute, what do people think of that tiff between Atrahal and Korabas during the Dusk/Night? Take a look at this post from Atrahal:

Atrahal, on 12 April 2012 - 06:20 PM, said:

Korabas, on 12 April 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

<snipped Korabas' mini-case thing>

Sorry buddy, I know you haven't been around at ALL, but you should take the time to read carefully. I actually never pushed for a low-poster lynch. Never suggested it at all. We were discussing whether or not we should even bother trying to lynch today, and I made the point that IF we did decide to speed lynch (which everyone, including myself, agree would probably be a bad idea), that the low-posters would have to be possible targets, because of the game setup. Your arguments are totally empty (uh, isn't lynching on day 1 usually a given? this game specifically changes that mechanic, hence the discussion). I didn't vote for anyone, I agreed that no lynch was probably best, and yet here you are, magically appearing after I call you out as the lowest poster in the game, accusing me of pushing lynches...hmm..... Suspicious much?

My main point was that you did not participate at all on Day 1 and that makes you an unknown element which is dangerous. And therefore the low-posters should be watched. And now we have a perfect, overly defensive response from the lowest guy on the list....thanks for the reaction. IGMEOY.

To me, this post feels unusually like an unusually aggressive defense of some interesting but not hugely strong points made by Korabas. Ironic considering that's what Atrahal was calling Korabas out for. Maybe it's just the "Oh yeah?! Well I think you're suspicious too!" nature of the response setting my teeth on edge, but it makes me think Atrahal may be sitting on a big role he wants to protect.

[Karatallid]

Korlat, on 12 April 2012 - 11:27 PM, said:

Stepping away from bazaaro-world for a minute, what do people think of that tiff between Atrahal and Korabas during the Dusk/Night? Take a look at this post from Atrahal:

Atrahal, on 12 April 2012 - 06:20 PM, said:

Korabas, on 12 April 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

<snipped Korabas' mini-case thing>

Sorry buddy, I know you haven't been around at ALL, but you should take the time to read carefully. I actually never pushed for a low-poster lynch. Never suggested it at all. We were discussing whether or not we should even bother trying to lynch today, and I made the point that IF we did decide to speed lynch (which everyone, including myself, agree would probably be a bad idea), that the low-posters would have to be possible targets, because of the game setup. Your arguments are totally empty (uh, isn't lynching on day 1 usually a given? this game specifically changes that mechanic, hence the discussion). I didn't vote for anyone, I agreed that no lynch was probably best, and yet here you are, magically appearing after I call you out as the lowest poster in the game, accusing me of pushing lynches...hmm..... Suspicious much?

My main point was that you did not participate at all on Day 1 and that makes you an unknown element which is dangerous. And therefore the low-posters should be watched. And now we have a perfect, overly defensive response from the lowest guy on the list....thanks for the reaction. IGMEOY.

To me, this post feels unusually like an unusually aggressive defense of some interesting but not hugely strong points made by Korabas. Ironic considering that's what Atrahal was calling Korabas out for. Maybe it's just the "Oh yeah?! Well I think you're suspicious too!" nature of the response setting my teeth on edge, but it makes me think Atrahal may be sitting on a big role he wants to protect.

You have a point. Personally, I think its scummy to target low posters right away. I'm willing to give them a few days before I start calling them out, and I'm not just saying this because I'm on the low post list. While I am no aficianado, I have noticed that the ones that are most vocal about advocating a low poster lynch tend to turn out to be the scum. Low posters tend to be easy targets OR Lizra.

[Omtose]

Sorry to harp on about the bazaar again, but looks to me like someone went on a shopping spree. Even bought a monument! And now one's come on for 1,000 cheaper! The same one?

My opinion on the Atrahal-Korabas debate: It's patently obvious why Korabas went for Atrahal (I think he even said it), because Atrahal seemed to be suggesting a low-poster hunt. As for Atrahal's response, it does seem excessively lengthy for someone essentially saying "Nuh-uh", but at the same time, his points are valid. To be honest, I found Korabas' responses more telling than Atrahal's, and if this was a scum-town game, that's who I'd be suspecting more out of the two.....but it's not

[Omtose]

Hang on, the Glass and Spices came back on the market too, again cheaper. I reckon someone gets profits on the side from selling these.

[Korlat]

Omtose, on 12 April 2012 - 11:47 PM, said:

Hang on, the Glass and Spices came back on the market too, again cheaper. I reckon someone gets profits on the side from selling these.

My guess is someone has an ability that lets them buy stuff much cheaper than usual, and they're looking to make a quick buck (or dinar, is perhaps the more appropriate term )

[Merrid]

Fuck anyone getting money for this info. I am a merchant and i did not take a night action.

If you wsnt to pay for my faction go ahead. Not going to announce that.

[Atrahal]

Karatallid, on 12 April 2012 - 11:36 PM, said:

Korlat, on 12 April 2012 - 11:27 PM, said:

Stepping away from bazaaro-world for a minute, what do people think of that tiff between Atrahal and Korabas during the Dusk/Night? Take a look at this post from Atrahal:

Atrahal, on 12 April 2012 - 06:20 PM, said:

Korabas, on 12 April 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

<snipped Korabas' mini-case thing>

Sorry buddy, I know you haven't been around at ALL, but you should take the time to read carefully. I actually never pushed for a low-poster lynch. Never suggested it at all. We were discussing whether or not we should even bother trying to lynch today, and I made the point that IF we did decide to speed lynch (which everyone, including myself, agree would probably be a bad idea), that the low-posters would have to be possible targets, because of the game setup. Your arguments are totally empty (uh, isn't lynching on day 1 usually a given? this game specifically changes that mechanic, hence the discussion). I didn't vote for anyone, I agreed that no lynch was probably best, and yet here you are, magically appearing after I call you out as the lowest poster in the game, accusing me of pushing lynches...hmm..... Suspicious much?

My main point was that you did not participate at all on Day 1 and that makes you an unknown element which is dangerous. And therefore the low-posters should be watched. And now we have a perfect, overly defensive response from the lowest guy on the list....thanks for the reaction. IGMEOY.

To me, this post feels unusually like an unusually aggressive defense of some interesting but not hugely strong points made by Korabas. Ironic considering that's what Atrahal was calling Korabas out for. Maybe it's just the "Oh yeah?! Well I think you're suspicious too!" nature of the response setting my teeth on edge, but it makes me think Atrahal may be sitting on a big role he wants to protect.

You have a point. Personally, I think its scummy to target low posters right away. I'm willing to give them a few days before I start calling them out, and I'm not just saying this because I'm on the low post list. While I am no aficianado, I have noticed that the ones that are most vocal about advocating a low poster lynch tend to turn out to be the scum. Low posters tend to be easy targets OR Lizra.

Already we have problems with people using language like this in serious conversations. You are treating this like a TMDI 1 game - "I'm willing to give them a few days before I start calling them out" - but this game is not that at all. It's TMDI 10. And no, even in M&P games, advocating the lynch of a low-poster is NOT scummy behavior - in fact, it's the opposite, because the odds are that a low-poster is either an RI unwilling or unable to help town, or a scum coasting along with the breeze; getting rid of that player usually helps town more than lynching someone who's been discussing things all day. As RI, that is your only goal in the game - to discuss things on thread and vote appropriately. We've gotten into this habit of thinking that vocal players are "scum" and low-posters must be "well-intentioned town who play badly". It's just irritating to see classic Mafia elements misunderstood and misapplied - like when Korabas appears five seconds after I call him out, I went on a rant about it because that is just suspicious, always. Omtose said it below too - it's not that I was getting defensive; all my points were valid. In fact, it's almost embarrassing to look back through the thread so far and see how many times my posts have been called "logical" because they explain things in a very clear and contextually correct way. So, what, being helpful is bad now? Should we all just stop posting and see how things go?

I also have a tendency to get snippy with those who misread (intentionally or not) what has been said on thread, and if you want to interpret my suspicion of low-posters as a "low-poster hunt" when we had one vote, no lynch, and nothing even seriously being discussed regarding lynchings on Day 2, then you can do that. But it just simply isn't what was posted on thread. And now I'm ranting again. But fuck me if it isn't irritating when people start treating this game like M&P when it's the polar opposite of everything that M&P implies.

[Atrahal]

Karatallid, on 12 April 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 12 April 2012 - 10:53 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 12 April 2012 - 10:47 PM, said:

C8K, First person to put a retainer on the bazaar, and not buy it back, for 4000 dinari will recieve 1000 dinari.
C9L, First person to put 2 Scribes on Bazaar for 2k Ea and not buy them back will receive 1000 dinari


So how do these contracts benefit the person offerring them?

Well, my guess is that the person offering the contracts is giving someone incentive to sell those items by offering cash to list the goods, but theoretically, the player listing the goods could buy them back, I guess...and that would really screw the person who listed the contract. Because they'd have to pay the person who listed the goods, but they wouldn't be able to buy them (which was the entire point of the contract).

Reading this makes my head spin.

What's confusing about it?

[Alkend]

Here, doing a speed read and then I have to be out again. I'll be on properly later though, and if I recall correctly there's a fair amount of dead time between.

There's a lot going on in spite of it being a quiet first day. Should be interesting to see if there's going to be more stealing from the market, but I don't think that could possibly be a daily thing, there must be something more to it than that.

The contracts on Merrid's info are interesting, I'm assuming it's someone from a different faction who's trying to make some money as well as get info out about Merrid without having to put themselves as risk. Sneaky. Makes me wonder what other services might be offered at the bazaar.