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Hmm, the Erikson thread on the Martin Forum is much amusing!
Yes, isn't it?
Seems a lot of GRRM's fans are also Erikson fans, there is a great overlap I think.
And the bashing didn't last long.
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#621 Guest_Lyanna Stark_*
Posted 07 February 2003 - 03:19 AM
Yes, isn't it?
Seems a lot of GRRM's fans are also Erikson fans, there is a great overlap I think.
And the bashing didn't last long.
MultiQuote#622 Guest_Erebus_*
Posted 01 October 2002 - 06:59 AM
Zifnab : Well, thanks ! ;-)
I pretty much agree with what you said. The first book, though pretty good by itself, is mostly an introduction and thus not quite as fascinating as the rest. But I'm pretty sure those who keep on reading will find it highly rewarding.
Paran : You're quite right about Murphy's Law, except Ned is not the only one concerned. You can see Murphy's Law in action an impressive number of times in all of the series...
Erebus
I pretty much agree with what you said. The first book, though pretty good by itself, is mostly an introduction and thus not quite as fascinating as the rest. But I'm pretty sure those who keep on reading will find it highly rewarding.
Paran : You're quite right about Murphy's Law, except Ned is not the only one concerned. You can see Murphy's Law in action an impressive number of times in all of the series...
Erebus
#623 Guest_Pale Remnants_*
Posted 29 March 2003 - 02:21 PM
@Blinky.The sexual content is very minor.And remember we are dealing with characters in a medieval setting.This is not a childrens story.
Strange, you do not have the same problem with the level of violence...?
As if by magic,the shopkeeper appeared.
Strange, you do not have the same problem with the level of violence...?
As if by magic,the shopkeeper appeared.
#625 Guest_Pale Remnants_*
Posted 27 November 2002 - 04:06 PM
Yes, the Hugo, Nebula, World fantasy award ect are fairly American dominated.
Although in recent years British and Canadian writers have done well (relatively) For example Neil Gaimans "American Gods" won . Unsurprisingly with a novel concerned with the Mid-west American experience. And of course the excreable JK Rowling got the Hugo.
The British Fantasy Society has an annual Book award with varied winners. Its perhaps not as prestigous as the "World Fantasy Award". Including recent winners like James Morrow with his excellent "Towing Jehovah" ( the premise: god is dead and now his body must be towed to the artic for burial. In turns hilarious, satirical and inventive )
Although in recent years British and Canadian writers have done well (relatively) For example Neil Gaimans "American Gods" won . Unsurprisingly with a novel concerned with the Mid-west American experience. And of course the excreable JK Rowling got the Hugo.
The British Fantasy Society has an annual Book award with varied winners. Its perhaps not as prestigous as the "World Fantasy Award". Including recent winners like James Morrow with his excellent "Towing Jehovah" ( the premise: god is dead and now his body must be towed to the artic for burial. In turns hilarious, satirical and inventive )
#626 Guest_Koyaanisqatsi_*
Posted 22 January 2004 - 12:18 AM
Actually, I did read it 
Well, Georgie, don't worry. I have to read so many other things before I can get back to your Songs. Yes, indeed, that is a shame - and I love your writing - but please keep your head on.
All Best,
Koyaanisqatsi.
Poor man... Plagued by hindernisses. Keep going Martin!
Well, Georgie, don't worry. I have to read so many other things before I can get back to your Songs. Yes, indeed, that is a shame - and I love your writing - but please keep your head on.
All Best,
Koyaanisqatsi.
Poor man... Plagued by hindernisses. Keep going Martin!
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#627 Guest_Varys_*
Posted 26 February 2003 - 08:46 AM
Well, the dwarves are a secretive race in themselves and I think that is partly the reason we know so little about them. They are a very unique race that was not part of Eru's design (the Silmarillion deals with their unplanned beginnings). They don't even give away their real names to anyone not of their race, and few know their language (except Gimli's battle cry). Dwarf women are never seen (that we know of, of course).
Tolkien couldn't make a secretive, isolationist race and then at the same time have Frodo or Pippin know everything about them, could he? Compare that with a more open and generally friendlier race free with knowledge like the elves and we know loads about them. So the lack of concrete knowledge about dwarves actually fits in with their culture, rather than undermine it.
With regards to metaphor, I'm still not sure that Erikson's world has one. I don't think that there is anything to be learned from it. It's just a hell of a story, a brilliant story in fact, but the long lasting works of literature always have some sort of meaning.
However, again this is not a bad thing and in no way harms my enjoyment. If Erikson had tried to imitate Tolkien's good verses evil I probably would have thrown it out the window by now. Just that there has to be some meaning doesn't there? Or else the only reason for reading it is entertainment and enjoyement. I think this is what seperates just damn good books and masterpieces/classics. But if you have any thoughts on the hidden meaning of MBOTF I'd be happy to hear them.
The road to heaven is paved with bad intentions.
Tolkien couldn't make a secretive, isolationist race and then at the same time have Frodo or Pippin know everything about them, could he? Compare that with a more open and generally friendlier race free with knowledge like the elves and we know loads about them. So the lack of concrete knowledge about dwarves actually fits in with their culture, rather than undermine it.
With regards to metaphor, I'm still not sure that Erikson's world has one. I don't think that there is anything to be learned from it. It's just a hell of a story, a brilliant story in fact, but the long lasting works of literature always have some sort of meaning.
However, again this is not a bad thing and in no way harms my enjoyment. If Erikson had tried to imitate Tolkien's good verses evil I probably would have thrown it out the window by now. Just that there has to be some meaning doesn't there? Or else the only reason for reading it is entertainment and enjoyement. I think this is what seperates just damn good books and masterpieces/classics. But if you have any thoughts on the hidden meaning of MBOTF I'd be happy to hear them.
The road to heaven is paved with bad intentions.
#628 Guest_Varys_*
Posted 01 March 2003 - 07:08 AM
But RJ knows that the only people who are going to buy the prologue on the internet are the ones that will buy the full copy anyway.
With GRRM, he's appealing to the Dungeons and Dragons fanbase, and so reaching out to new fans. RJ's just trying to milk his current ones (at least in my opionion). I mean, who is going to buy a prologue to a tenth instalment without having read the previous nine or the next one?
And from what I've heard almost everyone loves the prologue, But I'm content to wait another six months, as are the majority of Martin fans, I believe. I've still got House of Chains to read and the Farseer series to read.
The road to heaven is paved with bad intentions.
With GRRM, he's appealing to the Dungeons and Dragons fanbase, and so reaching out to new fans. RJ's just trying to milk his current ones (at least in my opionion). I mean, who is going to buy a prologue to a tenth instalment without having read the previous nine or the next one?
And from what I've heard almost everyone loves the prologue, But I'm content to wait another six months, as are the majority of Martin fans, I believe. I've still got House of Chains to read and the Farseer series to read.
The road to heaven is paved with bad intentions.
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Posted 23 March 2004 - 08:21 AM
yes, its all very good saying you want him too take long so its quality, but this long???
there are limits to how long extra it takes to make a book very good. and if its anything other than excelent when it does come out there are gonna be supremely annoyed people out for blood
I shall call you Squishy, and you shall be my squishy... OW! BAD SQUISHY!
If you come to a fork in the road, pick it up.
there are limits to how long extra it takes to make a book very good. and if its anything other than excelent when it does come out there are gonna be supremely annoyed people out for blood I shall call you Squishy, and you shall be my squishy... OW! BAD SQUISHY!
If you come to a fork in the road, pick it up.
O xein', angellein Lakedaimoniois hoti têde; keimetha tois keinon rhémasi peithomenoi.
#630 Guest_Pale Remnants_*
Posted 01 December 2002 - 03:00 PM
(SPOILER)
There is evidence to suggest they will fall into categories similar to those.
Sansa will learn about "the game of thrones" from her captor.And become a "player"
Arya is already on her way to be a warrior and great swordsman/woman.
Jon has been proclaimed the true heir to the kingdom of the north. Even though he does not yet know it.
And the hints are that Bran has the "sight" and will eventually control the Dragons in battle.
But thats all speculation for now.What intigues me is where Tyrion will end up.will he sail east to meet "the queen across the sea". Or join up with Jon at the wall?
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There is evidence to suggest they will fall into categories similar to those.
Sansa will learn about "the game of thrones" from her captor.And become a "player"
Arya is already on her way to be a warrior and great swordsman/woman.
Jon has been proclaimed the true heir to the kingdom of the north. Even though he does not yet know it.
And the hints are that Bran has the "sight" and will eventually control the Dragons in battle.
But thats all speculation for now.What intigues me is where Tyrion will end up.will he sail east to meet "the queen across the sea". Or join up with Jon at the wall?
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Posted 04 April 2003 - 06:48 AM
Yep, he sits right next to Erikson in the world of great fantasy books.
King of High House Death.
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#632 Guest_Pale Remnants_*
Posted 29 March 2003 - 11:12 AM
Looks like a good collection of his earlier material.
I've read his "Wild card" novels...sort of pulpy Superhero type stories. & The "Sandkings" was great a piece of television on the "Outer Limits".
I suppose the main interest will be the reprint of the "Hedge Knight" and other SoiaF material".Think, i will pick up a copy.
( Strange, he does not mention this book on his website ! )
As if by magic,the shopkeeper appeared.
I've read his "Wild card" novels...sort of pulpy Superhero type stories. & The "Sandkings" was great a piece of television on the "Outer Limits".
I suppose the main interest will be the reprint of the "Hedge Knight" and other SoiaF material".Think, i will pick up a copy.
( Strange, he does not mention this book on his website ! )
As if by magic,the shopkeeper appeared.
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Posted 12 March 2003 - 11:31 AM
woohoo!
have just finised the final part of ASoS!
Great book, although maybe not in the class of Erikson IMHO...
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"Our tactics are our business, Crone.
Anyway, you need taking down a notch or two, you dont know everything. How does it feel?"
have just finised the final part of ASoS!
Great book, although maybe not in the class of Erikson IMHO...
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"Our tactics are our business, Crone.
Anyway, you need taking down a notch or two, you dont know everything. How does it feel?"
O xein', angellein Lakedaimoniois hoti têde; keimetha tois keinon rhémasi peithomenoi.
#634 Guest_Kyptonite_*
Posted 25 February 2003 - 06:02 PM
Good post Varys. But do you really find Lord of the Rings to be a superior work to Erikson and Martin's books?
#636 Guest_Duiker_*
Posted 09 January 2004 - 11:38 AM
I don't care if it takes till 2005 until he finishes AFFC. As long as he actually finishes the thing and just doesnt keel over and die. Give the guy a break: he is three books into his series and already it is acclaimed by not few (including me) as one of the best fantasy ever written. So the man is really hard-pressed to keep up the standard and not to let down his fans (as numerous other fantasy sagas have done, no need to name them i think). This takes time and time he should take to accomplish it. Hail to the king, all, and praise this cheecky fellow Martin!
Off topic: Akasi, what do you mean by "Dunnett's two series"?
Ride, ride for ruin and the worlds ending!
Off topic: Akasi, what do you mean by "Dunnett's two series"?
Ride, ride for ruin and the worlds ending!
#637 Guest_Izz_*
Posted 18 February 2004 - 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by LooseCannon:
Nah I didn't mean Goodkind™. Martin is a damn good writer, I'm not arguing that point but I think he should focus on finishing his book more than flying around the US doing all these appearances. When it takes you longer to write a book then it takes for a blockbuster movie to get greenlit, filmed, go through post-production, premier, and then go to dvd you have to start questioning what the author is struggling with.
Sorry, I just like to trash Goodkind every chance I get. It's great for relieving stress.
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Posted 31 March 2003 - 08:16 AM
I agree, I find it a little amusing that sex is considered a little taboo or tasteless in fantasy novels by some, but the violence is acceptable (not necessarily blinky, just readers in general). It's a part of life, and depending on how it's used, can be an important part of story telling. I didn't find Martin's use of sex exploitive or gratuitous, just a way of further showing the character's motivations, how they act when their guards are down, etc.
#639 Guest_Mithfânion_*
Posted 18 February 2004 - 10:38 AM
I think questioning whether or not Martin should go to cons etc is going a little too far. I think this should go without saying, but the man is going to have to take off anyway so he might as well go and use some of that time to promote his book. I don't doubt he's doing as much as he can to finish the book.
Having said that, I do feel he is visiting quite a lot of these conventions in the last two years, he certainly appears at far more than for instance Jordan, Erikson or Robin Hobb. Perhaps there's a reason. I guess I thought that with the series being so extremely popular anyway, they might go a bit easier on the promotion. Apparently the publisher disagrees.
But yes, it is taking an awfully long time, as Loosecannon's example aptly illustrates.
"And those that endure in Middle-earth and come not to Mandos shall grow weary of the world as with a great burden, and shall wane, and become as shadows of regret before the younger race that cometh after."
Having said that, I do feel he is visiting quite a lot of these conventions in the last two years, he certainly appears at far more than for instance Jordan, Erikson or Robin Hobb. Perhaps there's a reason. I guess I thought that with the series being so extremely popular anyway, they might go a bit easier on the promotion. Apparently the publisher disagrees.
But yes, it is taking an awfully long time, as Loosecannon's example aptly illustrates.
"And those that endure in Middle-earth and come not to Mandos shall grow weary of the world as with a great burden, and shall wane, and become as shadows of regret before the younger race that cometh after."
#640 Guest_Jon_Snow_*
Posted 28 September 2003 - 06:53 AM
I think this delay is due largely on the fact that Martin doesn't want to lose out on the Hugo award this time... he wants this book to be PERFECT. This is much easier for me to believe than some of the other possibilities such as writer's block and other creative difficulties.
Mith, I used to be as frustrated about the delay as you seem to be, but thankfully (no small thanks to people such as youself) I've been recommended many other great works of fiction to kill time until FEAST comes out.
Winter is Coming...
Mith, I used to be as frustrated about the delay as you seem to be, but thankfully (no small thanks to people such as youself) I've been recommended many other great works of fiction to kill time until FEAST comes out.
Winter is Coming...
