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Mmm, is this confession time? I started to read A Game of Thrones, but just wasn't in the mood for all that political intrigue. I'd heard good things about it, but decided I wouldn't be doing it justice to read it in this frame of mind. So, I have the first two books, but reading them is on hold.
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MultiQuote#662 Guest_Varys_*
Posted 19 March 2003 - 11:45 AM
And you can judge from the stars the passage of time, and we know they look at the stars because maester Luwin mentions at the start of aGoT that he had a new lens for his observation point.
The road to heaven is paved with bad intentions.
The road to heaven is paved with bad intentions.
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Posted 11 September 2002 - 05:49 AM
I am a Jordan fan, although yes he has his faults (Path of Daggers was one of the slowest books i've everrrrr read...). So having declared my biases....
What i found when i was reading Martin was I just couldn't connect with any of the characters. His stuff is realistic, true, but almost over-realistic. I just could not identify with any of the characters, because they all have such massive flaws- except Ned, and even he has a "illegal love child" (I was using ******* in its correct context, and it still got blanked out...) who brings up right in front of his wife. And then he dies. If i wanted to read about how base, cruel and evil people wanted to be, i'd go and read the damn newspaper. The portrait he paints of human nature is waaaay to bleak.
The only writing of Martin I actually enjoyed was the short story in the 'Legends' anthology, 'The Hedge Knight' or whatever it was called. It, shock! Horror!, actually left you with a sense of hope.
Anyway, just my two cents worth....
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What i found when i was reading Martin was I just couldn't connect with any of the characters. His stuff is realistic, true, but almost over-realistic. I just could not identify with any of the characters, because they all have such massive flaws- except Ned, and even he has a "illegal love child" (I was using ******* in its correct context, and it still got blanked out...) who brings up right in front of his wife. And then he dies. If i wanted to read about how base, cruel and evil people wanted to be, i'd go and read the damn newspaper. The portrait he paints of human nature is waaaay to bleak.
The only writing of Martin I actually enjoyed was the short story in the 'Legends' anthology, 'The Hedge Knight' or whatever it was called. It, shock! Horror!, actually left you with a sense of hope.
Anyway, just my two cents worth....
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Posted 11 June 2003 - 09:01 AM
Latest from Georgey (No, he hasn't finished it yet )
From GRRM:
June 10, 2003
HEDGE KNIGHT COMIC NAMED "GEM OF THE MONTH"
The first issue of THE HEDGE KNIGHT comic book will be released next month from Image Comics and Roaring Studios. PREVIEWS, the trade magazine of the nation's largest comics distributor, has named the book one of its "Gems of the Month."
THE HEDGE KNIGHT will be released with two different covers -- the regular cover, by Mike S. Miller, and a special "variant" cover by Mike Kaluta, who needs no introduction to anyone who knows comics. They're both fabulous, in my (admittedly prejudiced) opinion. Here's a look at the art for the Kaluta cover.
Subsequent issues of THE HEDGE KNIGHT will offer variant covers by Tom Mandrake, Tom Yeates, Boris Vallejo, and other terrific artists, as well as Mike Miller's fabulous work.
Meanwhile, progress on the later issues continues apace. Ben Avery is hard at work on the script for issue four, Mike S. Miller, and Mike Crowell are doing the art for issue three, and Roaring Studios is overseeing the lettering and coloring of issue two. But for any of that to matter, issue one has to sell some copies.
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GRRMs latest collaboration.
"Custer's Last Jump and Other Collaborations"
Not a favourable review.
http://www.sfsite.com/06b/cj154.htm
The Golden Gate is not a euphemism.
[This message was edited by Pale Gumshoe on 16 June 2003 at 04:48 AM.]
From GRRM:
June 10, 2003
HEDGE KNIGHT COMIC NAMED "GEM OF THE MONTH"
The first issue of THE HEDGE KNIGHT comic book will be released next month from Image Comics and Roaring Studios. PREVIEWS, the trade magazine of the nation's largest comics distributor, has named the book one of its "Gems of the Month."
THE HEDGE KNIGHT will be released with two different covers -- the regular cover, by Mike S. Miller, and a special "variant" cover by Mike Kaluta, who needs no introduction to anyone who knows comics. They're both fabulous, in my (admittedly prejudiced) opinion. Here's a look at the art for the Kaluta cover.
Subsequent issues of THE HEDGE KNIGHT will offer variant covers by Tom Mandrake, Tom Yeates, Boris Vallejo, and other terrific artists, as well as Mike Miller's fabulous work.
Meanwhile, progress on the later issues continues apace. Ben Avery is hard at work on the script for issue four, Mike S. Miller, and Mike Crowell are doing the art for issue three, and Roaring Studios is overseeing the lettering and coloring of issue two. But for any of that to matter, issue one has to sell some copies.
EDIT:
GRRMs latest collaboration.
"Custer's Last Jump and Other Collaborations"
Not a favourable review.
http://www.sfsite.com/06b/cj154.htm
The Golden Gate is not a euphemism.
[This message was edited by Pale Gumshoe on 16 June 2003 at 04:48 AM.]
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Posted 19 February 2004 - 05:01 PM
Yes, who has pills they'd like to share?!
Seriously though, it's a little disenchanting when you think that SE will have put out 4 books before GRRM's one. I think it's almost time he put out another sample chapter to string us along!
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Seriously though, it's a little disenchanting when you think that SE will have put out 4 books before GRRM's one. I think it's almost time he put out another sample chapter to string us along!
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Posted 01 March 2003 - 11:29 AM
The main difference here Caldazar is the potential readers of both prolgues.
RJ's - People who have read all nine books and want to read the prologue early. With it they get some tacked on Q&A session or something. That's it.
GRRM's - People who have read all three books and want to get the prologue early. They also get the magazine itself. Subscribers of Dragon get the prologue with no additional cost. Casual readers get a mag they sometimes read plus an unexpected prologue.
You see, from Martin doing it there is the potential of additional readers who regualrly or sometimes read Dragon. With Jordan the only people who are going to buy it is the existing fans. And even the ones who do buy it just to get the Martin prologue will also get the pretty thick mag itself, rather than just a Q&A session, and, if past interviews of RJ are anything to go on, probably revealing very little new information.
It is a marketing ploy, of course it is, GRRM is trying to get his book noticed by readers of Dragon, but it is no where near as cynical and scammy as what Jordan has done.
The road to heaven is paved with bad intentions.
RJ's - People who have read all nine books and want to read the prologue early. With it they get some tacked on Q&A session or something. That's it.
GRRM's - People who have read all three books and want to get the prologue early. They also get the magazine itself. Subscribers of Dragon get the prologue with no additional cost. Casual readers get a mag they sometimes read plus an unexpected prologue.
You see, from Martin doing it there is the potential of additional readers who regualrly or sometimes read Dragon. With Jordan the only people who are going to buy it is the existing fans. And even the ones who do buy it just to get the Martin prologue will also get the pretty thick mag itself, rather than just a Q&A session, and, if past interviews of RJ are anything to go on, probably revealing very little new information.
It is a marketing ploy, of course it is, GRRM is trying to get his book noticed by readers of Dragon, but it is no where near as cynical and scammy as what Jordan has done.
The road to heaven is paved with bad intentions.
#667 Guest_Pale Remnants_*
Posted 12 January 2003 - 03:42 AM
I've just been having a look at the website dedicated to the card game based on "SOIAF".
The illustrations are pretty good ( tho' i'm not interested in collecting the cards myself )
http://www.agameofthrones.com/
The illustrations are pretty good ( tho' i'm not interested in collecting the cards myself )
http://www.agameofthrones.com/
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Posted 17 September 2002 - 11:35 AM
I liked the Commander of the Night Watch... whats his name... Mormont... Sir Jorah's father
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Posted 13 January 2003 - 02:45 PM
hmmm new PoV... is Joffrey still alive?
just a tought...
Oppna gapet i ryndend mitt
Floda av blod fran Ymers kropp
Varldar skapas utav hans kott
Nio till antal pa Yggdrasil.
just a tought...
Oppna gapet i ryndend mitt
Floda av blod fran Ymers kropp
Varldar skapas utav hans kott
Nio till antal pa Yggdrasil.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.
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Posted 13 January 2003 - 09:12 PM
I thought the new PoV is Cersei... that's what is posted on the ezboard site.
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Posted 06 July 2003 - 07:28 PM
I agree with you guys to the extent that Martin can write some interesting characters. For example, in the first book there was Jon Snow and Ned Stark. I could identify with them because i could see something of myself, or what i wanted to be in them, and i liked them. Most of the rest of the cast, however, didn't deliver. I must say Steve that i am not familiar with most of the characters you mention becuase i only read the first two books and that was a fair while back, so maybe Martin's characters have improved and become more interesting as the series has progressed.
However, i believe there are plenty of other authors out there who are better and have hooked me into caring for their characters far, far more than Martin did with his series (not only Jordan but SE, China Mieville, Ian Irvine etc.). You guys like his writing and his characters and i respect that. But i respectfully disagree with your views and we'll leave it at that gentlemen, shall we?...
"I am a son who lives without hope of ever matching my father's stride"- L'oric
However, i believe there are plenty of other authors out there who are better and have hooked me into caring for their characters far, far more than Martin did with his series (not only Jordan but SE, China Mieville, Ian Irvine etc.). You guys like his writing and his characters and i respect that. But i respectfully disagree with your views and we'll leave it at that gentlemen, shall we?...
"I am a son who lives without hope of ever matching my father's stride"- L'oric
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Posted 06 February 2003 - 03:10 AM
Cheers, ill read the first three books and then register - ive just finished game of thrones...
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Bow before thy master, the warlord of irregulars.
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Posted 01 October 2002 - 09:51 PM
Nope, sorry, having read ALL the books in the series, i can wholeheartedly say that Martin is a writer who does not appeal to me and i will not be reading any more of his books. The only piece of writing of Martin's which i have definitely liked was his short story in the 'Legends' collection.
And i'm definitely human
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Posted 14 March 2003 - 04:38 AM
This is true, the second half of ASoS is so much better than the first... Dead people everywhere...
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Anyway, you need taking down a notch or two, you dont know everything. How does it feel?"
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Posted 05 January 2004 - 09:37 PM
Yeah, but this really makes me appreciate SE's work rate. He's done a book and 3 novellas in just over a year!
Still you've gotta wonder just how much farting around GRRM's been doing - this book's been in the workd for gods know how long... wasn't he on chapter 37 (??) in his last update?!
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Never argue with idiots. They bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
Still you've gotta wonder just how much farting around GRRM's been doing - this book's been in the workd for gods know how long... wasn't he on chapter 37 (??) in his last update?!
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