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MultiQuote#602 Guest_Medium-Paced Ben_*
Posted 21 April 2003 - 12:49 AM
Martin is my favourite writer of all time.
ASOIAF absolutely changed the way in which I looked at the fantasy genre, at a time when I'd all but given up on it.
I really don't think you can compare Martin and Erikson to each other. Both are brilliant, but in very different ways. It would be like comparing LOTR to Dune, two inherently different stories, worlds and writing goals.
ASOIAF absolutely changed the way in which I looked at the fantasy genre, at a time when I'd all but given up on it.
I really don't think you can compare Martin and Erikson to each other. Both are brilliant, but in very different ways. It would be like comparing LOTR to Dune, two inherently different stories, worlds and writing goals.
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Posted 29 March 2003 - 10:44 AM
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Posted 12 February 2003 - 12:31 AM
My understanding before I briefly involved myself in those ‘bash’ threads, was that those that initiated them were taking specific umbrage against the fact that Erikson is held in very high esteem by many of us on the ASoIaF board. Very strange, and troubling, but Arakasi pulled out the keen blade and sliced them all up. 
I just put in my two obols at the beginning and didn't rise to any bait after that. Better not to indulge such sinister types’ dubious intents , I figure.
Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken.
I just put in my two obols at the beginning and didn't rise to any bait after that. Better not to indulge such sinister types’ dubious intents , I figure.
Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken.
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Posted 17 February 2004 - 12:58 PM
Sorry, Abyss! Dumbass here misread it, here is the info...
Odyssey Summer Writing Workshop Announces 2004 Session
with George R.R. Martin special writer-in-residence:
"Odyssey is a highly respected creative writing workshop for
science fiction, fantasy, and horror authors. It was founded nine
years ago to provide up-and-coming genre writers the guidance and
support necessary to become professionals and it has quickly become one of the premier genre workshops in the country. Forty percent of Odyssey's graduates have gone on to be published, a staggering statistic for a creative writing workshop. Past lecturers have included some of the top authors, editors, and agents in the
field, such as Harlan Ellison, Jane Yolen, Terry Brooks, Ben Bova, and Dan Simmons.
"Odyssey is the only program of its kind run by an editor.
Jeanne Cavelos, Odyssey's founder and director, is a best-selling author and former senior editor at Bantam Doubleday Dell Publishing, where she won the World Fantasy Award for her work .
"We provide a supportive yet challenging, energizing environment
for writers of fantastic fiction," Cavelos said. "I provide feed back to
students similar to what I gave professional writers at Bantam
Doubleday Dell. The class meets for 3 1 /2 hours in the morning, 5 days a week, and students use the afternoo ns an d evenin gs to
write and read each other's work." The six-week workshop held on
the campus of Southern New Hampshire University from June
14-July 23 combines an intensive learning and writing experience
with in-depth feedback on students' manuscripts. Students must
apply by April 15 . Past stu dents, ran ging in age from s eventeen to
sixty-five, have hailed from all over the US and Canada.
"This year Odyssey has the privilege of hosting four-time Hugo
award, and two-time Nebula award winner George R.R. Martin as a
special writer-in-residence at its summer 2004 session. Martin,
author of numerous novels including the New York Times
best-selling series A Song of Ice and Fire, is a member of the
Science Fiction & Fantasy Writers of America and of the Writers'
Guild of America, West. His short story collect ions include A SONG
FOR LYA A ND OT HER STORIE S; SANDKIN GS; AND GRR M: A
RETROSPECTIV E, forthcoming from Subterran ean P ress . Tw o of his
short stories, `Remembering Melody' and `Sandkings' were adapted
for television while his story ` Nightflyers' was made into a featu re
f ilm.
"Early in his caree r, Martin tau ght journ alism at Clark Colleg e in
Iowa where he also served as a writer in residence. He then moved
to Hollywood where he worked as a story editor for the well-known
series TWILIGHT ZONE. Martin then moved on to work on the
series BEAUTY AND THE BEAST where he eventually took on the
role of co-supervising producer in 1989. Martin continued his career
in Hollywo od for a n umbe r of years. H e curren tly resides in S anta
Fe, New Mexico where he continues to write.
"This ye ar, the Ody ssey w orksho p is also exc ited to ann ounc e its
featured 2004 guest lecturers: award-winning authors Catherine
Asaro, Ellen Ku shner, De lia Sherman , and Barry B. Lon gyear;
bestseller Bob Mayer; and award-winning editor/writer Gardner
Dozois. Lecturers will share their own unique perspectives and
critique student manuscripts.
"Hear from an Odyssey graduate: Graduate Carl Frederick, who
has had tremendo us success since his experience at Odyssey,
refers to the program as a `watershed experience.' `I had
con fiden ce th at the instr uctio n I w as giv en, a nd th e critica l-ana lysis
skills I developed over that month and a half would work for
me--would move my writing from amateur to pro. And if Odyssey
could do this for m e, a theoretica l physicist w ho'd n ever taken a lit'
course in college, just think what it could do for someone who
didn't write his stories in cra yons.'
"Exp ens es an d App lication : Tu ition is $1,5 00 an d ho usin g in
on-cam pus tow nhou ses ru ns $39 7.50 for th e six weeks . Studen ts
have the option of receiving co llege credit. Tha nks to th e genero sity
of an ano nym ous don or an d grad uate of th e prog ram, Odys sey w ill
be able for the second year, to offer three Gandalf Grant
sch olars hips to the mos t prom ising writers of th e clas s of 2 004 in
the amounts of $1,250, $500, and $250.
"Those interested in receiving further information and an
application should visit the website at www.sff.net/odyssey, or send
a self-addressed stamped envelope to Odyssey, 20 Levesque Lane,
Box G, M ont V erno n, N H 03 057, pho ne/f ax (60 3) 67 3-62 34, e- mail
jcavelos@ sff.net (in clude a regu lar mailing add ress). The web site
includes writing and publishing tips as well as excepts from previous
guest lectures."
Don't really know what happened to the text there...
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The dead are like a silent, conquering army.
With every battle their ranks grow,
Marching, inexhaustible, each and every one,
Beneath crumbling stone banners. - The Call of Hurgana
Odyssey Summer Writing Workshop Announces 2004 Session
with George R.R. Martin special writer-in-residence:
"Odyssey is a highly respected creative writing workshop for
science fiction, fantasy, and horror authors. It was founded nine
years ago to provide up-and-coming genre writers the guidance and
support necessary to become professionals and it has quickly become one of the premier genre workshops in the country. Forty percent of Odyssey's graduates have gone on to be published, a staggering statistic for a creative writing workshop. Past lecturers have included some of the top authors, editors, and agents in the
field, such as Harlan Ellison, Jane Yolen, Terry Brooks, Ben Bova, and Dan Simmons.
"Odyssey is the only program of its kind run by an editor.
Jeanne Cavelos, Odyssey's founder and director, is a best-selling author and former senior editor at Bantam Doubleday Dell Publishing, where she won the World Fantasy Award for her work .
"We provide a supportive yet challenging, energizing environment
for writers of fantastic fiction," Cavelos said. "I provide feed back to
students similar to what I gave professional writers at Bantam
Doubleday Dell. The class meets for 3 1 /2 hours in the morning, 5 days a week, and students use the afternoo ns an d evenin gs to
write and read each other's work." The six-week workshop held on
the campus of Southern New Hampshire University from June
14-July 23 combines an intensive learning and writing experience
with in-depth feedback on students' manuscripts. Students must
apply by April 15 . Past stu dents, ran ging in age from s eventeen to
sixty-five, have hailed from all over the US and Canada.
"This year Odyssey has the privilege of hosting four-time Hugo
award, and two-time Nebula award winner George R.R. Martin as a
special writer-in-residence at its summer 2004 session. Martin,
author of numerous novels including the New York Times
best-selling series A Song of Ice and Fire, is a member of the
Science Fiction & Fantasy Writers of America and of the Writers'
Guild of America, West. His short story collect ions include A SONG
FOR LYA A ND OT HER STORIE S; SANDKIN GS; AND GRR M: A
RETROSPECTIV E, forthcoming from Subterran ean P ress . Tw o of his
short stories, `Remembering Melody' and `Sandkings' were adapted
for television while his story ` Nightflyers' was made into a featu re
f ilm.
"Early in his caree r, Martin tau ght journ alism at Clark Colleg e in
Iowa where he also served as a writer in residence. He then moved
to Hollywood where he worked as a story editor for the well-known
series TWILIGHT ZONE. Martin then moved on to work on the
series BEAUTY AND THE BEAST where he eventually took on the
role of co-supervising producer in 1989. Martin continued his career
in Hollywo od for a n umbe r of years. H e curren tly resides in S anta
Fe, New Mexico where he continues to write.
"This ye ar, the Ody ssey w orksho p is also exc ited to ann ounc e its
featured 2004 guest lecturers: award-winning authors Catherine
Asaro, Ellen Ku shner, De lia Sherman , and Barry B. Lon gyear;
bestseller Bob Mayer; and award-winning editor/writer Gardner
Dozois. Lecturers will share their own unique perspectives and
critique student manuscripts.
"Hear from an Odyssey graduate: Graduate Carl Frederick, who
has had tremendo us success since his experience at Odyssey,
refers to the program as a `watershed experience.' `I had
con fiden ce th at the instr uctio n I w as giv en, a nd th e critica l-ana lysis
skills I developed over that month and a half would work for
me--would move my writing from amateur to pro. And if Odyssey
could do this for m e, a theoretica l physicist w ho'd n ever taken a lit'
course in college, just think what it could do for someone who
didn't write his stories in cra yons.'
"Exp ens es an d App lication : Tu ition is $1,5 00 an d ho usin g in
on-cam pus tow nhou ses ru ns $39 7.50 for th e six weeks . Studen ts
have the option of receiving co llege credit. Tha nks to th e genero sity
of an ano nym ous don or an d grad uate of th e prog ram, Odys sey w ill
be able for the second year, to offer three Gandalf Grant
sch olars hips to the mos t prom ising writers of th e clas s of 2 004 in
the amounts of $1,250, $500, and $250.
"Those interested in receiving further information and an
application should visit the website at www.sff.net/odyssey, or send
a self-addressed stamped envelope to Odyssey, 20 Levesque Lane,
Box G, M ont V erno n, N H 03 057, pho ne/f ax (60 3) 67 3-62 34, e- mail
jcavelos@ sff.net (in clude a regu lar mailing add ress). The web site
includes writing and publishing tips as well as excepts from previous
guest lectures."
Don't really know what happened to the text there...
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The dead are like a silent, conquering army.
With every battle their ranks grow,
Marching, inexhaustible, each and every one,
Beneath crumbling stone banners. - The Call of Hurgana
Victory is mine!
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Posted 17 February 2004 - 02:57 PM
When I spoke to Voyager they were hoping for a June release. So I think a May one is a tad optimistic.
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#607 Guest_Methion_*
Posted 06 February 2003 - 03:36 PM
Only 3 so far (the 3rd is split into 2 parts in the paperbaack version). With a plan for 6 at the moment! though it might extend to more. Which if he keeps the quality as it is = good. But if he does a Jordan = bad
#608 Guest_Caldazar_*
Posted 19 February 2004 - 12:41 AM
umm sorry to break it to ya but he has not been writing 100 pages a month. If he was the book would be around 4000 pages long.
#609 Guest_PUG_*
Posted 21 July 2003 - 04:20 PM
I'm pretty sure both things happened in a SOS.
#610 Guest__*
Posted 29 August 2002 - 06:17 PM
Have to agree with Spindle, this is probably the best Fantasy out at the moment (a hairs breadth better than erikson). Aimed more at the older market with more realistic actions and characters who are neither good or bad.
Cant believe you gave up Reave, i was hooked right from the prologue, cant wait for the next one to come out.
Cant believe you gave up Reave, i was hooked right from the prologue, cant wait for the next one to come out.
#611 Guest_Arakasi_*
Posted 09 January 2004 - 06:04 PM
Duiker, Dorothy Dunnett is a scottish author who died a year or two ago. Anyways she wrote two major series based in europe, one in the 15th century and one in the 16th century. The first series written (and the later one in time) is called the Lymond Chronicles. The series that was written later on and should be read after Lymond is called the House of Niccolo.
They are both historical fiction, with the historical parts being very well researched and accurate. You get to see people like Elizabeth, Ivan the terrible, the sultan Mehmet of Turkey (the one who took Constantinople) and others. Although of course they're not the main characters. The main characters are ficticious generally and are woven in with real people from that day and age. Anyways the writing is extremely good and complex, much more so than almost anything else I've read. Lymond is 6 books and Niccolo 8. Both are excellent series and I recommend them highly.
All fled, all done, so lift me on the pyre. The feast is over, the lamps expire.
They are both historical fiction, with the historical parts being very well researched and accurate. You get to see people like Elizabeth, Ivan the terrible, the sultan Mehmet of Turkey (the one who took Constantinople) and others. Although of course they're not the main characters. The main characters are ficticious generally and are woven in with real people from that day and age. Anyways the writing is extremely good and complex, much more so than almost anything else I've read. Lymond is 6 books and Niccolo 8. Both are excellent series and I recommend them highly.
All fled, all done, so lift me on the pyre. The feast is over, the lamps expire.
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Posted 05 April 2003 - 05:26 PM
Actually that was your fault. 
who told you about it.
"All that breaks must be discarded, even as the thunder of faith returns ever fading echoes."-Anomandaris-Fisher Kel'Tath
who told you about it."All that breaks must be discarded, even as the thunder of faith returns ever fading echoes."-Anomandaris-Fisher Kel'Tath
#613 Guest_Spindle_*
Posted 11 September 2002 - 02:45 AM
I prefer the "mean vicious cruel *******s" of Martin above any of the wining/wailing characters of Jordan (only exceptions are Mat and Lan, the two reasons why I still continue the series. The rest of the Jordan cast should be killed and tortured slowly and cruelly in the last book, that is a Jordan book I would like to read).
About killing off main characters, people die and usually they die unexpected (especially in wartime). I hate it when an author is afraid to let main characters die. You have a group of x people (x between 6 and 10) and after a number of books you still have those x people who survived everything and are even more stupid as when they started.
The nicest thing of Martin and Erikson is that you do not have the typical farmboy/goatherd who discovers he has powers and saves the world from the mysterious old evil omnipotent One (who could have conquered the world a thousand times before but failed through mere stupidity).
Grey characters rule. I am starting to dislike the usual good vs. bad fantasy stories, because I never truly understand what the motives of the bad characters are (why turn the world into an liveless desert?).
About killing off main characters, people die and usually they die unexpected (especially in wartime). I hate it when an author is afraid to let main characters die. You have a group of x people (x between 6 and 10) and after a number of books you still have those x people who survived everything and are even more stupid as when they started.
The nicest thing of Martin and Erikson is that you do not have the typical farmboy/goatherd who discovers he has powers and saves the world from the mysterious old evil omnipotent One (who could have conquered the world a thousand times before but failed through mere stupidity).
Grey characters rule. I am starting to dislike the usual good vs. bad fantasy stories, because I never truly understand what the motives of the bad characters are (why turn the world into an liveless desert?).
#614 Guest_LooseCannon_*
Posted 09 January 2004 - 05:02 PM
But that is just it, he isn't taking all this time making the book the best it can be. He is taking a lot of this time doing other things. 3 and a half years for a book is ridiculous by all accounts. I bet if it was any other fantasy author besides Martin and probably Erikson people would be ripping those authors new ones.
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#615 Guest_Drake Labatt_*
Posted 15 March 2003 - 09:35 AM
I'll keep this short and sweet - A Storm of Swords is the best fantasy book that I've ever read. It kicks the ass of every other book on my shelf, and I'm including Erikson, although it doesn't kick his ass as badly as say, Goodkind or Eddings. Those clowns deserve whatever they get.
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Living on a lighted stage, approaches the unreal,
for those who think and feel, in touch with some reality beyond the gilded
cage.
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Living on a lighted stage, approaches the unreal,
for those who think and feel, in touch with some reality beyond the gilded
cage.
Rush - "Limelight"
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Posted 24 April 2003 - 01:37 AM
Id just like it if he laft them blank, to add a little interest. For some of the chapters, there are bits at the beginning where it could be refering to anybody, and i would like to be able to have to work out who its about before any names were mentioned. Oh well... it seems im not gonna win this argument because no one understands what i mean
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#617 Guest_Jon_Snow_*
Posted 21 January 2003 - 11:04 PM
I choose to believe that GRRM is taking so long with this book because he wants it to be PERFECT before he releases it.
I can think of more than a few fantasy authors who could learn a lesson or two from Mr. Martin.
I can think of more than a few fantasy authors who could learn a lesson or two from Mr. Martin.
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Posted 17 February 2004 - 02:11 PM
I have a suggestion: We include Georgie in our "Named and shamed"-Topic. IN BIG FAT AND BOLD LETTERS!!! 
Now that's what I call a lazy writer!!
Gamet would have shot any member of the forum who would have keept him waiting that long!
Just my two cents
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Now that's what I call a lazy writer!!
Gamet would have shot any member of the forum who would have keept him waiting that long!
Just my two cents
Karsa
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"Witness!"
#619 Guest_Blinky_*
Posted 28 February 2003 - 06:26 PM
First, who writes this 'arms of the kraken'?
Did a google search..nadda.
Back to the original topic question.
Reading the first GRRM novel of the Ice/Fire saga.
Finding it a bit slow to get into. Not sure why.
Everyone seems so unhappy. I think this novel needs more clowns!
Seriously, it probably has to do with exhaustion from reading the first three Malazan novels since new years.I should have taken a month off or so from reading..
blinky
Did a google search..nadda.
Back to the original topic question.
Reading the first GRRM novel of the Ice/Fire saga.
Finding it a bit slow to get into. Not sure why.
Everyone seems so unhappy. I think this novel needs more clowns!
Seriously, it probably has to do with exhaustion from reading the first three Malazan novels since new years.I should have taken a month off or so from reading..
blinky
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Posted 16 September 2002 - 02:59 PM
well, I still have to read A Storm of Swords... but Daenerys is a good example of good maturing IMHO... one of my favourite characters, her, Drogo and sir Jorah
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