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Posted 01 May 2004 - 04:42 PM

LOL

@Mith: Loose's point is fair although far from conclusive with respect to how Stephen King spends his time compared with how Martin spends his. (Counterarguments to that might be that if King dedicated all his time to the Dark Towers the long awaited sequel would have been produced faster than 20 years but not necessarily any faster than Martin is taking with AFFC. In addition, King may have wrote other books for the same reason Martin is taking so long, he was stuck.)

However, that skirts the real issue: the disatisfaction of the fans. I can't speak for the Dark Tower fans but I have the feeling that Stephen King's other books didn't make the wait any easier (or at least very much.) Are Dark Tower fans synonomous with the fans of King's other books? I thought that there was overlap but that the readers were different (or at least the fans.)

Anyway, given the choice I think that Dark Tower fans would rather a sequel take 5 years rather than 20 and that King hold off on writing all those other books.

In short, the Gunslinger comparison is still fair, and I take great pride in rescuing you from the depths of ignorance. Posted Image
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Posted 11 September 2004 - 02:28 AM

They're good booksPosted Image on the other hand, if you're not a fan of medieval fantasy, knights etc. then no.
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Posted 02 May 2004 - 02:57 PM

I now feel much dirtier for having read that post. Posted Image Posted Image
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Posted 02 May 2004 - 09:45 AM

It'll probably be a very small number of people round these parts who won't. I'd wager that only The Bonehunters might be more anticipated than AFfC.
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Posted 19 November 2004 - 05:52 PM

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Originally posted by Cause:

Tell me what is book hree called and does it only come in two part form or is their one book aswell.


They are called Storm of Swords parts 1 and 2. Don't think they're published together anywhere, as that would be a book and a half (1200 pages appox).
You could have a look about, though. They're well worth their money, though.
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Posted 20 January 2005 - 02:18 PM

LOOK!!! AN UPDATE from http://www.georgerrmartin.com

"I said that I hoped to have the book done by the end of the year. Famous last words. No, it's not done, though I am getting closer. I have more than thirteen hundred pages in final draft form and another hundred or so in roughs or fragments, but there are still some chapters yet to write. I'm telling myself that I'm on the home stretch. As soon as FEAST as done, I will announce it here.

—George R.R. Martin, January 17, 2005"


- Abyss, has waited this long, so hey, whatthehell...
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Posted 29 April 2004 - 01:06 AM

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iirc, he never planned for AFfC did he?

That's what I was trying to say. He did not plan for AFfC originally. Book four was planned to be ADwD, until a couple of years ago he changed his mind.

Edited: On westeros.org I found this old mail from GRRM himself

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Post #51: July 08, 1999 at 01:23:48

All that information was accurate at the time. Stories grow, and sometimes more quickly than dragons.

The series will be six books. A STORM OF SWORDS will be next, then A DANCE WITH DRAGONS, then THE WINDS OF WINTER. I am not completely decided on the title of the last volume yet. My contract says A TIME FOR WOLVES, but I am not completely happy with that and will probably change it if I come up with something I like better.


So originally:
AGOT - ACOK - ASOS - ADWD - TWOW - ATFW
no AFFC
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Posted 30 April 2004 - 02:13 PM

Ohhh them's fighting words. You forgot one key thing: Martin is an author, he doesn't do this as a hobby so I will complain all I want.

In the real world, as you so eloquently put it, there are deadlines and if you don't meet them you get a pink slip on a Friday afternoon and an escort from the premises. Why should I expect any less from an author?
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Posted 16 June 2004 - 11:15 AM

Which means that Amazon has no idea when it will be finished either.
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Posted 11 September 2004 - 04:05 AM

That review is unrepresentive of GRRM's books - the first half is all about the "packaging" - not the writing. Then he quotes from Martin and says this is bad without giving reasons. He doesn't like fantasy, and at times it seems like he didn't read the book except for those bits which he quoted, and he also puts in loads of spoilers.

Anyway Martin's an excellent writer and you should buy his books - unless you hate fantasy/ medieval historical fiction. I would rank him just below Erikson (who is top of course)
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Posted 09 June 2004 - 11:46 PM

I think you need to read the thread... 3 years is quite the understatement.
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Posted 17 November 2004 - 12:25 PM

done I will take you on. as long as I get after dec 31
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Posted 20 March 2005 - 02:50 AM

But he is not human, my little english spurs-loving friend, he's a beardie!
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Posted 28 April 2004 - 02:59 PM

Uh, Mort... we do indeed know what happened to Tyrion immediately post ASoS. GRRM has read the first Tyrion chapter from AFFC at a convention and there is a summary of the chapter over at the big ASoIaF ezboard... as well as summaries of perhaps a half dozen other chapters. Makes the waiting a bit easier I find...
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Posted 02 March 2005 - 05:31 PM

Tiste Simeon-the latest news is that GRRM announced at a recent convention it will be released this summer.

What really annoys me is the way he has already given away about 20 spoiler chapters. One or two two spoiler chapters would be understandable but 20 is ridiculous.
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Posted 19 November 2004 - 07:26 PM

A Sword of Storms is under a thousand pages in paperback. It has about the same dimensions as the paperback version of House of Chains and yes it is available in one book.

1200 pages must be for the mass market version.
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Posted 23 November 2004 - 02:35 AM

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Originally posted by Apsalar Reborn:
Seeing as I can't be bothered to read 29 pages, can someone please tell me why we hate George RR Martin so much, does it go beyond -

a. Hes fat
b. He keeps changing the release dates on his books.


The people on this forum are young and superficial. Just ignore them!

Here are some good reasons for giving ole George some flack.

I. Plays with dolls in his spare time
II. Leads the conspiracy to steal the middle names of famous authors
III. Has been caught masquerading as the skipper from Gilligan's Island
IV. Puts columns on his web site such as What I ate for lunch today.
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Posted 29 April 2004 - 09:09 AM

Yeah, Jordan writes one novel between his series and look at all the flaming he gets for it.
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Posted 03 May 2004 - 02:14 PM

Caldazar

Mith: Gunslinger was oringinally released over twenty years ago(1982). That'a a fact. The second book came out in 1987, third 1991, fouth 1997 and the rest this year.

I know Caldazar, that's why I also posted this a couple of posts above. The reason I ask Dark Daze why he kept going on and on and about King fans having to wait 20 years for a sequel is precisely because I know quite well that King published his last book prior to Wolves in 1997, which, as I said, makes it six years rather than 20. A substantial difference, I might add.

Drake

Regardless of who has/had/will have(?) more discipline as an author, it took JRRT a /long/ time to finish LotR. Similarly, it's going to take GRRM a /long/ time to finish his stuff. Longer, it would unfortunately appear

If that was your point all along we would have agreed from the beginning. But you were making other points, to which I had been responding. The above is not in dispute at all.

On one hand, the point you seem to be making is that someone capitalized on JRRT's success and attempted to milk it for all it's worth

No, that was not a point I was trying to make Posted Image I was restricting myself to the discussion at hand, regarding author output.

Agreed on Anderson etc though.

Let me put it to you this way - after GRRM passes away (which will be after ASoIaF is complete, I dearly hope), do you think that someone will NOT go through his notes, and his success will NOT be capitalized upon and more ASoIaF books WON'T be published, for whatever reason

Oh I'm sure someone would, if he allowed it. I doubt it would contain thirteen books worth of writings, but we can't say that for certain. I only listed Tolkien's thirteen posthumously published books because you were comparing Tolkien to Martin, which is decidedly unfair as one was a full-time pro and the other a full-time teacher. And even that part-timer produced a tremendous amount of work, even if he didn't get all of it published while he lived.

On a different note, Tolkien and Martin seem to share that desire for re-drafting, editing and -re-drafting again. Tolkien was a meticulous author, a true perfectionist. Martin seems to be quite similar, which explains the AFFC delay for a part. This is why Tolkien was never able to get a finished version of the Silmarillion, because his world and his tales were so massive in scope and number.

AR

Wasn't Tolkien thinking about LotR for a hugely long time?

I think the idea came to him around the time he published the Hobbit in 1938.
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Posted 22 January 2005 - 01:33 AM

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