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You fuzzy little foreigners sure complain a lot.
As it just some happens I have a pie chart that once and for all proves that ASOIAF is the greatest work in fantasy. And if that doesn't convince you, I can make a different pie chart with prettier colors.
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MultiQuote#202 Guest_Mithfânion_*
Posted 20 February 2005 - 01:13 AM
That's what the folks at the convention say (Martin's fans).
Unless it's a hoax of course, but since that's already been done before it's very unlikely.
Unless it's a hoax of course, but since that's already been done before it's very unlikely.
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Posted 24 January 2005 - 07:59 PM
I've got a reply for you 
"since I am "one" (by the implied definition thereof) does it follow that since I believe you haven't written **** (or f*** all, if you prefer) in regards to these novels, and since you have written less than I think, that you have actually done negative work on these novels? "
"since I am "one" (by the implied definition thereof) does it follow that since I believe you haven't written **** (or f*** all, if you prefer) in regards to these novels, and since you have written less than I think, that you have actually done negative work on these novels? "
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Posted 01 December 2004 - 05:24 AM
seems fair, i tried so hard to reread song of ice and fire but i really cant be assed. wereas i can usually reread most series even the first 8 or so wheel of time books(minus the female sections ofcourse)
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Posted 17 December 2004 - 08:46 AM
To be honest with you, Ive only currently read parts one and two, part 3a and 3b Ive left for the time being so that I can read them closer to a delivery of book 4. However for everyone that doesnt like double dealing and intrigue in a novel there will another fan who will. Im in that catagory, I like books that have people looking after number one rather than the greater good.
#206 Guest_Dark Daze_*
Posted 26 January 2005 - 03:09 PM
Marduk, I was just busting your chops. However, I don't think that anything Mr. Martin said about the release of AFFC included the language of a promise. Rather, Mr. Martin made some inaccurate guesses as to when he would finish.
Phrases such as I will try, I am aiming for, hopefully finished by, probably by, and I think indicate that someone is not making a promise.
Phrases such as I will try, I am aiming for, hopefully finished by, probably by, and I think indicate that someone is not making a promise.
#207 Guest_LooseCannon_*
Posted 22 November 2004 - 05:01 PM
This thread is actually pretty amusing if you are a neutral in this matter. I think if you go back you will notice that every 4-5 pages we start the rants from square one and then go through the same arguments for another 5 pages before starting over again. I suspect this thread will be at 634 pages when Feast for Crows is released. Either that or Mr. Martin's weight will be pushing 634 lbs.
#208 Guest_Dark Daze_*
Posted 23 November 2004 - 07:24 PM
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Originally posted by RodeoRanch:
And he's been stuck on book 4 for how many years? Three? Wow.
Makes ya wonder why some authors, like SE can pump out a book in a year but it takes other years to do it.
Martin's cliffhangers, political intrique and back story are not necessarily better, but they are definately more challenging to write.
Erikson doesn't build as much from one book to the next so it makes it easier. He jumps around a lot.
#209 Guest_Mithfânion_*
Posted 04 May 2004 - 12:59 PM
Mort, yes, I know, I have read Tolkien's Letters, his biography and the lionshare of his Middle-earth books
Anyway, I've pretty much said all I can on the matter. Happier news may be that the trade paperback collection of the Hedge Knight comic will be released next month, and as a bonus it will feature " The Battle of Red Grass" from his most recent short story, The Sworn Sword, featuring Targrayens and a Targaryen sword whcih seems to make its way into the ASOIAF novels as well, possibly " Feast" (expanding further on that would be too spoilerish). Can't wait.
Anyway, I've pretty much said all I can on the matter. Happier news may be that the trade paperback collection of the Hedge Knight comic will be released next month, and as a bonus it will feature " The Battle of Red Grass" from his most recent short story, The Sworn Sword, featuring Targrayens and a Targaryen sword whcih seems to make its way into the ASOIAF novels as well, possibly " Feast" (expanding further on that would be too spoilerish). Can't wait.
#210 Guest_Dark Daze_*
Posted 03 December 2004 - 04:03 AM
I’ll lay out my point more clearly:
1) Patrick thinks RJ is an exceptional writer and he probably thinks that RJ has interesting things to say.
2) Either Patrick finds Rand’s actions believable or it discredits the following argument, “The motivations and actions of the characters are completely unbelievable. Fantasy setting or not, people are simply not like this. No author who understands human nature so little can have much of interest to say.â€
“It also creates a story that is inherently uninteresting - why should the reader care who "wins" when one character is as good/bad as another?â€
To elaborate on my last counterpoint to the above question, ASOIAF is not about seeing who wins but rather on seeing if the characters get their just do. ASOIAF is not necessarily a zero sum game i.e. winner does not necessarily take all.
In black and white stories, it is important that characters win because it seems just. In ASOIAF there is a more complicated system of justice. It requires greater thought from the reader because it requires them to balance what the characters deserve with respect to one another.
1) Patrick thinks RJ is an exceptional writer and he probably thinks that RJ has interesting things to say.
2) Either Patrick finds Rand’s actions believable or it discredits the following argument, “The motivations and actions of the characters are completely unbelievable. Fantasy setting or not, people are simply not like this. No author who understands human nature so little can have much of interest to say.â€
“It also creates a story that is inherently uninteresting - why should the reader care who "wins" when one character is as good/bad as another?â€
To elaborate on my last counterpoint to the above question, ASOIAF is not about seeing who wins but rather on seeing if the characters get their just do. ASOIAF is not necessarily a zero sum game i.e. winner does not necessarily take all.
In black and white stories, it is important that characters win because it seems just. In ASOIAF there is a more complicated system of justice. It requires greater thought from the reader because it requires them to balance what the characters deserve with respect to one another.
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Posted 30 April 2004 - 01:43 PM
Real...world? What in the deuce are you talking about? 
As for Martin, hey, I like his stuff but I'm no big tiff for his next book. I would surely like to read it but there ain't nothing I can do to make it appear in my hands any faster!
As for Martin, hey, I like his stuff but I'm no big tiff for his next book. I would surely like to read it but there ain't nothing I can do to make it appear in my hands any faster!
#213 Guest_ThreeHeadedDragon_*
Posted 11 June 2004 - 12:42 AM
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Originally posted by LooseCannon:
I don't lose sleep over the fact that Martin's book hasn't been released yet. Heck, I don't even think about it until I see this thread and feel like venting a little. I just find it ironic that some people dole out the criticism so easily at other authors yet when it comes to Martin they defend him to their dying breath.
I can only speak for myself. But as much as I am annoyed by GRRM the author for taking so much time with AFfC, I respect and like GRRM the man. He took time to answer a couple of my mails, he is great to speak with irl, he cares for his fans and enjoys meeting them more than any other author.
BTW, one of the two mails, a year back was to ask him if he has read the SE's Malazan books, he answered (paraphrasing), that he has heard much praise for them, that he was looking forward to read them but right now the only book on his mind was the bloody one he was trying to write
#214 Guest_allwilldie_*
Posted 20 February 2005 - 07:26 AM
I wonder how long I, the eternal cheapy, will have to wait for a paperback copy.
#215 Guest_ThreeHeadedDragon_*
Posted 28 April 2004 - 11:33 PM
One explanation for the delay is that he spent almost two years working on "A Dance With Dragons" which starts five years after ASOS. Significant events in the five year gap were to be adressed via flashbacks from this book.
Somewhere along the way he found out there would be too many of those (flashbacks) and they would disrupt the flow of ADWD, besides he felt that the story of one of the characters had to be told. Thus he had to scrap two years work and start from, almost, scratch.
He has only been working on AFfC as such the last couple of years. Not four.
I find it ironic that in scrapping the five year gap between books three and four, we got a... five year gap between books three and four.
Somewhere along the way he found out there would be too many of those (flashbacks) and they would disrupt the flow of ADWD, besides he felt that the story of one of the characters had to be told. Thus he had to scrap two years work and start from, almost, scratch.
He has only been working on AFfC as such the last couple of years. Not four.
I find it ironic that in scrapping the five year gap between books three and four, we got a... five year gap between books three and four.
#216 Guest_Dark Daze_*
Posted 01 May 2004 - 06:45 AM
I don't think all the books will take as long as AFFC. Martin didn't originally plan AFFC and one of the reason is probably because he didn't want to deal with the complexities of that part of the story. The next two books will not take as long, but the final book could take a while.
@Loose: Your earlier point about Stephen King probably applies to Martin too. He may not publish books between installments of ASOIAF, but a lot of people haven't read his other works and could always try to gat a hold of it. I still haven't read his vampire/steamboat novel.
Anyway, the best thing to do is preorder the book and just forget about it...
@Loose: Your earlier point about Stephen King probably applies to Martin too. He may not publish books between installments of ASOIAF, but a lot of people haven't read his other works and could always try to gat a hold of it. I still haven't read his vampire/steamboat novel.
Anyway, the best thing to do is preorder the book and just forget about it...
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Posted 22 April 2004 - 03:21 PM
So just finished a re-read of ASOIAF - and all I can say is tha I take back some of my comments from earlier.
I want FFC and I want it NOW!!! Dammit, I'd forgotten how well done this story is and although I hate the long delay (over 4 years) it still is a case of the work being very good... D'oh
I want FFC and I want it NOW!!! Dammit, I'd forgotten how well done this story is and although I hate the long delay (over 4 years) it still is a case of the work being very good... D'oh
#218 Guest__*
Posted 26 January 2005 - 08:30 AM
Meh.
Plus I dont like Martin anyway. *shrugs*
Plus I dont like Martin anyway. *shrugs*
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Posted 30 April 2004 - 09:23 AM
Im with Loose on this one, its all well and good for an author to have a rest but when all an author appears to be doing is going to conventions to meet fans (at which many fans have to pay to go to, and the author gets a nice cheque to turn up at) its pretty unfair.
Yes its up to him when he decides to get on with release the new novel, but for me personally its just seeming like all hes doing is swanning around, going to conventions and cashing in on past success, basking in the idolation of his fans without having to deliver. What an author needs to remember is that it was the fan who put him up there and the fan can drop them just as quick. He really has to need to look at a set delivery date and present it, that way fans all get what they want.
Yes its up to him when he decides to get on with release the new novel, but for me personally its just seeming like all hes doing is swanning around, going to conventions and cashing in on past success, basking in the idolation of his fans without having to deliver. What an author needs to remember is that it was the fan who put him up there and the fan can drop them just as quick. He really has to need to look at a set delivery date and present it, that way fans all get what they want.
#220 Guest_Caldazar_*
Posted 06 December 2004 - 01:05 AM
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hallelujah-Jordan movement
Is that like the hallelujah-Martin movement? Seems ya showed some bias there
