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Read "The Sworn Sword" the other night. Not as good as "The Hedge Knight" but still a nice read. Just wetting my appetite for the books...
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Posted 29 March 2004 - 02:04 PM
Victory is mine!
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Posted 20 January 2005 - 11:58 PM
Ditto.
However, I won't have patience for a Dance with Dragons (ADWD) because every time George releases a new book, the about author section says he's currently working on it. When he finish A Feast for Crows, he should already be half done with ADWD.
It sounds
However, I won't have patience for a Dance with Dragons (ADWD) because every time George releases a new book, the about author section says he's currently working on it. When he finish A Feast for Crows, he should already be half done with ADWD.
It sounds
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Posted 23 November 2004 - 07:09 AM
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Originally posted by Dark Daze:
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Originally posted by Apsalar Reborn:
Seeing as I can't be bothered to read 29 pages, can someone please tell me why we hate George RR Martin so much, does it go beyond -
a. Hes fat
b. He keeps changing the release dates on his books.
The people on this forum are young and superficial. Just ignore them!
Damn right! Listen to the people that are old and superficial! They have much more experience at it than the young whipper-snappers!
So, asuming Georgie Porgie doesn't stroke out, how many books are supposed to be in the series?
#224 Guest_Drake Labatt_*
Posted 01 May 2004 - 05:09 AM
I see that you have ignored everything I've said about how GRRM, being a long-term successful veteran of the sci-fi/fantasy world, gets treated a little different from your basic newbie hack.
...wha?
I guess, because I'm not a professional myself (forget that P.Eng test, I suddenly realize I have no chance!), I cannot decipher your words, written with a wit that obviously far exceeds my meagre brainwaves.
(Sigh) Try harder eh? Okay, to quote a line from Braveheart: "THE ALMIGHTY SAYS DON'T CHANGE THE SUBJECT JUST ANSWER THE FOCKIN' QUESTION!"
I'm not even talking about Tolkien's publisher. I'm talking about the man himself and the duration of time it took to write LotR. Care to take another stab at it?
Fact - When AFfC is released, it'll sell a zillion copies.
Fact - GRRM's fan base is not shrinking, it's growing. It's grown with the release of every book, and after AFfC is released, it'll grow again. And that's just domestically!
Fact - RJ's timing for the WoT books could be better, but it's not just the delays that are causing reader dissatisfaction.
The true killer for ASoIaF (or any long series)will be a drop in quality. Not publishing delays.
Of course. We're in complete agreement here, mate.
If, by this point in his life and career, GRRM is losing sleep about AFfC, then he's not much of a professional writer is he?
I say that because, no matter your profession, it's the real pros that are able to block out outside distractions and focus on the task at hand.
Finally though, we're down to the heart of the matter. You and many others think that GRRM should be devoting every waking second to finishing his story. He's taking too long with all this re-work and travelling and beard grooming.
I say that he's earned, through his long career, the right to do /whatever/ he damn well pleases with his time.
If all this waiting makes you upset, get over it. There are a lot of other things in this world that are going to make you unhappy.
Making statements about how GRRM isn't a true professional is childish. Plenty of other people aren't going to fit your 'mold' of what a professional is.
I see. You consider GRRM to be treating you, a fan, with disrespect. Gee, not to 'speak for the man', as I have neither his wit nor his talent, but it seems to me that if GRRM had just wanted to pump out crap he'd be on book 10 by now.
It appears like he wants to deliver the best product possible, and not give his fans anything less than his best effort. Now, I could be wrong and all, but it seems to me that what he's doing is treating the fans with the utmost respect.
Fact - He wants the book finished more than you or me.
Bah. That's easy to come by. All I have to do is not shave and start stuffing my face with Big Macs, frito's and doughnuts and voila - A Tale of the Wheel of the Malazan Book of Ice, Fire, Truth and Time will become an international best-seller!
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Or maybe he just expects an artist to do his bloody job? If you had any degree of professionalism about yourself you would understand his point. Martin, despite being an almost peerless author, has no proffessionalism, otherwise he'd be finished. And this point isn't open to debate.
...wha?
I guess, because I'm not a professional myself (forget that P.Eng test, I suddenly realize I have no chance!), I cannot decipher your words, written with a wit that obviously far exceeds my meagre brainwaves.
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Not exactly clued up in your history, are you. Tolkien had written everything before he sent it to be published. Hence any delay between book 1 and 3 was due to the publisher. A poor argument, that one. Must try harder.
(Sigh) Try harder eh? Okay, to quote a line from Braveheart: "THE ALMIGHTY SAYS DON'T CHANGE THE SUBJECT JUST ANSWER THE FOCKIN' QUESTION!"
I'm not even talking about Tolkien's publisher. I'm talking about the man himself and the duration of time it took to write LotR. Care to take another stab at it?
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Don't be so naive. He's at the top just now, but with his continuous delays he will be overtaken. Its the same with fiction as it is with everything else. Jordan once ruled supreme, and his fans are dropping away daily.
Fact - When AFfC is released, it'll sell a zillion copies.
Fact - GRRM's fan base is not shrinking, it's growing. It's grown with the release of every book, and after AFfC is released, it'll grow again. And that's just domestically!
Fact - RJ's timing for the WoT books could be better, but it's not just the delays that are causing reader dissatisfaction.
The true killer for ASoIaF (or any long series)will be a drop in quality. Not publishing delays.
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Nothing lasts forever mate. Not even Martin.
Of course. We're in complete agreement here, mate.
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And if he isn't losing sleep over fan discontent then the man's an arsehole.
If, by this point in his life and career, GRRM is losing sleep about AFfC, then he's not much of a professional writer is he?
I say that because, no matter your profession, it's the real pros that are able to block out outside distractions and focus on the task at hand.
Finally though, we're down to the heart of the matter. You and many others think that GRRM should be devoting every waking second to finishing his story. He's taking too long with all this re-work and travelling and beard grooming.
I say that he's earned, through his long career, the right to do /whatever/ he damn well pleases with his time.
If all this waiting makes you upset, get over it. There are a lot of other things in this world that are going to make you unhappy.
Making statements about how GRRM isn't a true professional is childish. Plenty of other people aren't going to fit your 'mold' of what a professional is.
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If he's only writijng for himself then he can keep his story on his computer and read it at his leisure. If he wants others to read it then he owes them a certain amount of respect.
I see. You consider GRRM to be treating you, a fan, with disrespect. Gee, not to 'speak for the man', as I have neither his wit nor his talent, but it seems to me that if GRRM had just wanted to pump out crap he'd be on book 10 by now.
It appears like he wants to deliver the best product possible, and not give his fans anything less than his best effort. Now, I could be wrong and all, but it seems to me that what he's doing is treating the fans with the utmost respect.
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I don't think Martin has this attitude.
Fact - He wants the book finished more than you or me.
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So, please, don't think to speak for him. You have neither his talent nor his wit.
Bah. That's easy to come by. All I have to do is not shave and start stuffing my face with Big Macs, frito's and doughnuts and voila - A Tale of the Wheel of the Malazan Book of Ice, Fire, Truth and Time will become an international best-seller!
#225 Guest_LooseCannon_*
Posted 22 November 2004 - 05:32 PM
Stay tuned to Fox, it's only a matter of time...
#226 Guest_Jon_Snow_*
Posted 08 January 2005 - 11:06 PM
I have no doubts that "Feast" will kick our collective asses just as "Storm" did...
Unlike alot of folks in this thread I still have faith in the man.
Unlike alot of folks in this thread I still have faith in the man.
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Posted 03 March 2005 - 02:08 PM
Don't tell me though! *covers ears up* This summer hey? I guess I'll have to wait to get back from America to read it... damn you GRRM!!!!
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#228 Guest_Blinky_*
Posted 06 December 2004 - 02:33 PM
Zollo's post(s
) seemed reasonable to me.
Can't a mod just wipe two of the three duplicates off?
GRRM has some credibility issues with his characters, but i don't think any moreso than any other authors. I skipped most of the sections of the dany(sp?) part but the rest makes it worth continuing the series.
BlinkY
) seemed reasonable to me.Can't a mod just wipe two of the three duplicates off?
GRRM has some credibility issues with his characters, but i don't think any moreso than any other authors. I skipped most of the sections of the dany(sp?) part but the rest makes it worth continuing the series.
BlinkY
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Posted 12 November 2004 - 02:53 PM
I don't care if Emperor Palpatine takes over the world, start writing dammit! What does Dubya or Bush Lite winning the election have to do with finishing your story? I'm beginning to wonder if Michael Moore and George R.R. Martin are one and the same. Think about it, he started writing Feast of Crows about November 2000...
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Posted 22 October 2004 - 06:06 AM
He needs a belt? Damn he must buy big trousers...
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Posted 24 January 2005 - 03:59 PM
*coughcough* FANBOIs *Coughcoughcough*
and maybe he didnt use the words "I promise" but he still said that the book would be done long ago...
and maybe he didnt use the words "I promise" but he still said that the book would be done long ago...
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Posted 02 May 2004 - 08:39 AM
I confess, I'm a bit confused as to what everyone is arguing about.
So Martin is writing slower than before. Bummer. Nothing to do about it.
Does he have an actual obligation to his fans? I would say not really but it is common sense to stay on your fans good sides and I'm sure he has no wish to alienate his fans (and income!)
I'll buy his next book when it comes out.
So Martin is writing slower than before. Bummer. Nothing to do about it.
Does he have an actual obligation to his fans? I would say not really but it is common sense to stay on your fans good sides and I'm sure he has no wish to alienate his fans (and income!)
I'll buy his next book when it comes out.
#234 Guest_Fool_*
Posted 23 November 2004 - 07:18 AM
Well it was originally supposed to be 3 total.
But then he changed it to 6.
But then he changed it to 6.
#235 Guest_Dark Daze_*
Posted 01 May 2004 - 04:50 PM
I don't think that it is accurate to say that Martin fans feel his work is superior because of sales. Many people like myself have no idea how ASOIAF sells and feel it is superior purely for the quality of the writing.
Actually, considering some of what sells, I sometimes think that the popularity of a series is inversely proportional to the quality.
Actually, considering some of what sells, I sometimes think that the popularity of a series is inversely proportional to the quality.
#236 Guest_LooseCannon_*
Posted 29 April 2004 - 04:34 AM
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No one complained about the last Gunslinger novel. How long did that take? 20 years?
King wrote about 3000 books in between... all we have from Martin is a bi-yearly updated excuse on his webpage.
#237 Guest_Dark Daze_*
Posted 02 May 2004 - 04:52 PM
Again, production rate is irrelevant. The time between books is the only thing worth griping about and even that is somewhat questionable. It is hardly a condolence to fans that King has been more prolific. It's actually worse. King had the ability to work faster but did not. Martin, on the other hand is putting his other works on the side to dedicate nearly all his writing energy to ASOIAF.
Otherwise, you are blaming Martin for his ability or second guessing his judgement on when AFFC is ready for publication. In that case I blame all of you for not writing the next great fantasy series yet. At this rate I will be 50 before one of you publishes a deep involving series. Shame on you all!
Otherwise, you are blaming Martin for his ability or second guessing his judgement on when AFFC is ready for publication. In that case I blame all of you for not writing the next great fantasy series yet. At this rate I will be 50 before one of you publishes a deep involving series. Shame on you all!
#238 Guest_Jon_Snow_*
Posted 01 May 2004 - 04:43 PM
In terms of sales, I think GRRM himself once said that in terms of epic fantasy series, only Jordan's Wheel of Time sells more than ASoIaF... and if AFFC is of similar quality than A Storm of Swords and Knife of Dreams is of similar quality to Crossroads of Twilight, maybe ASoIaF will become the top seller... who knows?
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Posted 02 May 2004 - 01:13 PM
Drake, you can't state something as a fact when it hasn't happened yet. Its called a supposition until its fact.
Plus the fact that he is in the middle of the series and taking more time than anyone else to continue is starting to speak volumes. The fact that he isn't a young man may make many wonder if he will ever finish the series before he dies. At this rate probably not. Its also a case of how long a delay after Feast of Crows through to the one after.
Plus the fact that he is in the middle of the series and taking more time than anyone else to continue is starting to speak volumes. The fact that he isn't a young man may make many wonder if he will ever finish the series before he dies. At this rate probably not. Its also a case of how long a delay after Feast of Crows through to the one after.
