[Korvalain]

Okay I'm running out of time. But I went ahead and took a quick look at a few of the middle of the road posters, Gamelon, D'riss, Okaros, Sorrit and Kalse. Before my reread of their posts I didn't really have much of a read on any of them. Gamelons last post that I read before the reread prompted me to take a close look at these players because I didn't have much of an opinion on most of them. What I found surprised me.

Gamelon was the least surprising. After you get past some of his inital posts the rest of what he says are usually one or two liners and for the most part look like post padding. He goes around and asks a few questions doesn't want to express his opinion and wants to seem to be part of the discussion without really contributing to it. High on my to watch list

D'riss was a early spammer as roughly a third of his current post counts were Day 1 spam. But once you get past that he seems to be a good contributor especially when he fingered Karosis and Athrahal with his suspisions. But after that he goes out of his way to quote someone in nearly the rest of his remaining posts giving just sparse comments to all the quotes that he references. Still I get a bit of a town vibe from him.

Sorrit was one of my biggest suprises. Probably because I agreed with him in wanting to go after a low poster Day 1 that may have clouded my judgement of him. But if you take a look at what he has said he post quality is a lot like Gamelon. He's more scummy to me now that he was yesterday.

Of the last two Okaros and Kalse. I get the feeling from going over their posts that they contribute a lot in comparison to the number of posts they submit. These two didn't really give me much of a scum vibe.

If I get some time over the weekend I'll take a look at some more people but for now I'm out.

[Atrahal]

D, on 15 March 2012 - 10:34 PM, said:

Silanah, on 15 March 2012 - 09:54 PM, said:

Okaros, on 15 March 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:

Silanah, on 15 March 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

Barghast is giving me a bit of a bad gut vibe right now. On my phone so can't post much right now. Also, I know you responded to D'riss's case, Atrahal, but didn't respond to me, which makes it seem like you can't respond to questioning/cases without accusing the accuser of being scum or cult.

Um... I don't recall seeing atrahal accuse d'riss of being scum/cult. Where did you see that?

Not D'riss, but what I meant is the agressiveness and accusations that were thrown around at people who had made cases about him. Yeah I didn't really think that post out much on the Atrahal point. Whoops. More of a gut thing there too that I tried to explain rationally...

Actually I was one of the ones accused by mathematical formula. Although even in my nonsensical ramblings I didn't take it seriously.

Good, because I wouldn't expect anyone to take an obviously random accusation seriously.

And even so, that would have come BEFORE you attacked me, so even then it can hardly be a kneejerk response to your case on me, can it? If anything, by bringing it up, you make it look like YOU decided to accuse me of scumminess in response to that. But as you said you didn't take it seriously....

[Atrahal]

Korvalain, on 15 March 2012 - 10:37 PM, said:

Okay I'm running out of time. But I went ahead and took a quick look at a few of the middle of the road posters, Gamelon, D'riss, Okaros, Sorrit and Kalse. Before my reread of their posts I didn't really have much of a read on any of them. Gamelons last post that I read before the reread prompted me to take a close look at these players because I didn't have much of an opinion on most of them. What I found surprised me.

Gamelon was the least surprising. After you get past some of his inital posts the rest of what he says are usually one or two liners and for the most part look like post padding. He goes around and asks a few questions doesn't want to express his opinion and wants to seem to be part of the discussion without really contributing to it. High on my to watch list

D'riss was a early spammer as roughly a third of his current post counts were Day 1 spam. But once you get past that he seems to be a good contributor especially when he fingered Karosis and Athrahal with his suspisions. But after that he goes out of his way to quote someone in nearly the rest of his remaining posts giving just sparse comments to all the quotes that he references. Still I get a bit of a town vibe from him.

Sorrit was one of my biggest suprises. Probably because I agreed with him in wanting to go after a low poster Day 1 that may have clouded my judgement of him. But if you take a look at what he has said he post quality is a lot like Gamelon. He's more scummy to me now that he was yesterday.

Of the last two Okaros and Kalse. I get the feeling from going over their posts that they contribute a lot in comparison to the number of posts they submit. These two didn't really give me much of a scum vibe.

If I get some time over the weekend I'll take a look at some more people but for now I'm out.

I agree that this is exactly the sort of grouping (the lower middle-class, let's call them ) where I'd expect at least one, if not more, scum to be residing.

[D'riss]

Atrahal, on 15 March 2012 - 10:37 PM, said:

D, on 15 March 2012 - 10:34 PM, said:

Silanah, on 15 March 2012 - 09:54 PM, said:

Okaros, on 15 March 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:

Silanah, on 15 March 2012 - 08:52 PM, said:

Barghast is giving me a bit of a bad gut vibe right now. On my phone so can't post much right now. Also, I know you responded to D'riss's case, Atrahal, but didn't respond to me, which makes it seem like you can't respond to questioning/cases without accusing the accuser of being scum or cult.

Um... I don't recall seeing atrahal accuse d'riss of being scum/cult. Where did you see that?

Not D'riss, but what I meant is the agressiveness and accusations that were thrown around at people who had made cases about him. Yeah I didn't really think that post out much on the Atrahal point. Whoops. More of a gut thing there too that I tried to explain rationally...

Actually I was one of the ones accused by mathematical formula. Although even in my nonsensical ramblings I didn't take it seriously.

Good, because I wouldn't expect anyone to take an obviously random accusation seriously.

And even so, that would have come BEFORE you attacked me, so even then it can hardly be a kneejerk response to your case on me, can it? If anything, by bringing it up, you make it look like YOU decided to accuse me of scumminess in response to that. But as you said you didn't take it seriously....

Cute... I like the way you are manipulating my helping you out there.

[Olar Ethil]

I am off to sleep, I have a really busy day ahead tomorrow but I will try to get time to keep up and post.

I should be back before timeout though.

At the moment there seems to be no great consensus.

Out of the middlish posters the name that springs to mind when I think of suspicious or possible scum is Mockra but this is more based on gut, the other player is Liosan and partly that might have to do with his play style but once I have divined the meanings of his posts they feel like a lot of work for very little, they seem to consist more of summaries than fresh points and maybe it is the manner of the posts but it does not feel like he is offering alternatives for the things he says he dislikes, which he seems to be doing a lot of. If you are going to tell people they are getting it wrong offer an alternative or at least venture more than your disagreement.

Korv i'm not massively suspicious of at the moment, I think he was genuinely feeling frustrated but to say anymore about that would maybe be getting a little meta but I don't get a strong vibe from him or feel more than normal levels of suspicion there.

I still think some of Rashan's comments come across as scummy, the one just before the inevitable Karosis lynch stands out in my mind. Tellan hasn't been around a great deal either the last day, seems to have gone quiet.

As for Atrahal who has occasioned quite a bit of comment I don't find there to be much in the case against him, he seems to have handled it well and I get a slightly more town feel from him, I get why a lot of us might be suspicious of that feeling at the moment though, no one wants to run the risk of scum running the thread but at the moment i'd be disinclined to vote on him.

[Sorrit]

After reading back a bit. I think that the only way we are going to be able to make cases on who is cult is after there are more recruits. If there are more then one cult then I would expect for the start of a culture hunt. I am going to go back and start looking for connections between players. Yesterdays lynch train only really gives us info for the first half. After it had reached the critical mass point then it was a done deal. Which Karosis knew.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2
12 hours and 28 minutes are left in the day.

20 players are left alive:
Atrahal, Barghast, D’riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Gamelon, Kalse, Korvalain, Liosan, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Olar Ethil, Rashan, Ruse Serc, Silanah, Sorrit, Tellan, Tennes

1 vote Mockra: Atrahal
2 votes Liosan: Kalse, Emurlahn
1 vote Atrahal: D'riss
1 vote Tellan: Rashan
1 vote Emurlahn: Barghast


Players not voting: Fener, Gamelon, Korvalain, Liosan, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Olar Ethil, Ruse, Serc, Silanah, Sorrit, Tellan, Tennes

[Tellan]

Sorry I've not been around much, had some tech problems sadly.

Some thoughts:

Gut reaction was agreement with D'riss' case on Atrahal. He has been really playing the "helpful townie" role, as I mentioned earlier, which rubs me the wrong way. Having said that, I'm hesitant to vote on it. Feels too much like tunnel-vision and I've seen nothing new to dislike about him that I didn't dislike before, which means essentially I'd essentially be basing any vote on my early day one suspicions which doesn't seem like a good plan.

As per usual, not much read on the people with very few posts.

Tennes post where he says Atrahal has been pushing a bunch of people struck me as a bit off. He's chipped in on lots of different things, but as he pointed out wasn't really being majorly aggressive in more than a couple of places. Admittedly more than most people, but not really enough to warrant the accusation imo. Made Tennes' post just feel like he was just looking for something to say and hadn't really checked the veracity of his claims.

Serc has probably struck me worst today. He seems really middle of the road, and a lot of his posts are game related but not really content which I don't like. Posts about Karosis' speculation on recruitment for example. I don't mind that kind of post, but when he lacks contribution on other stuff it looks a bit dodgy. His longest post is simply going over standard theory (WIFOM etc), rehashing what others had said and some role speculation (or rather, asking other people's opinion on it).

Vote Serc

Just generally seems to be coasting.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2
11 hours and 48 minutes are left in the day.

20 players are left alive:
Atrahal, Barghast, D’riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Gamelon, Kalse, Korvalain, Liosan, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Olar Ethil, Rashan, Ruse Serc, Silanah, Sorrit, Tellan, Tennes

1 vote Mockra: Atrahal
2 votes Liosan: Kalse, Emurlahn
1 vote Atrahal: D'riss
1 vote Tellan: Rashan
1 vote Emurlahn: Barghast
1 vote Serc: Tellan


Players not voting: Fener, Gamelon, Korvalain, Liosan, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Olar Ethil, Ruse, Serc, Silanah, Sorrit, Tennes

[Tellan]

No one posting, so I'm off to bed. Should be back before the day ends, but might not be by much.

[Path-Shaper]

Just a bit of warning - after I post this I won't be online to check anything until about 3 hours before deadline, so don't expect a vote count until then or unless someone else slips into PS's skin.

Cheers
-Shin

[Gamelon]

I'm here and reading up, if there's anyone about

[Tennes]

I'm going to have a read up over the next few hours too. I was thinking overnight how scum might play this game and I think it is in their best interest not to lynch. If there is no lynch it gives them more of a pool of people to recruit from. You could argue that they may want to eliminate the opposing scum but the chances are that they'll hit town more than scum this early in the game. [thoughts] We cannot allow them a free ride, so before reading the thread I suppose i'm looking for someone who is avoiding confrontation and laying low [/thoughts]It also makes me suspicious of people who want to wait until Friday to play, or cannot participate but will at a "later" date, this kind of talk makes me think that they are waiting to build up their numbers so that they have symps and people who agree with them. I'll have a proper read up today

[Omtose]

Tennes, on 16 March 2012 - 08:44 AM, said:

I'm going to have a read up over the next few hours too. I was thinking overnight how scum might play this game and I think it is in their best interest not to lynch. If there is no lynch it gives them more of a pool of people to recruit from. You could argue that they may want to eliminate the opposing scum but the chances are that they'll hit town more than scum this early in the game. [thoughts] We cannot allow them a free ride, so before reading the thread I suppose i'm looking for someone who is avoiding confrontation and laying low [/thoughts]It also makes me suspicious of people who want to wait until Friday to play, or cannot participate but will at a "later" date, this kind of talk makes me think that they are waiting to build up their numbers so that they have symps and people who agree with them. I'll have a proper read up today

Well I posted in the sign up that I couldn't play until I had the time off. As is I didn't expect the game to start until next week.

But at present I am going to put my, and keep my vote on Liosan until he stops posting like a twat.

vote Liosan

[Gamelon]

Tennes, on 16 March 2012 - 08:44 AM, said:

I'm going to have a read up over the next few hours too. I was thinking overnight how scum might play this game and I think it is in their best interest not to lynch. If there is no lynch it gives them more of a pool of people to recruit from. You could argue that they may want to eliminate the opposing scum but the chances are that they'll hit town more than scum this early in the game. [thoughts] We cannot allow them a free ride, so before reading the thread I suppose i'm looking for someone who is avoiding confrontation and laying low [/thoughts]It also makes me suspicious of people who want to wait until Friday to play, or cannot participate but will at a "later" date, this kind of talk makes me think that they are waiting to build up their numbers so that they have symps and people who agree with them. I'll have a proper read up today

Hmm, interesting points you raise. Attempting to stall lynches would be a fairly risky strategy, though wouldn't it? Generally anyone who is seen to be behaving oddly around lynch time is fairly heavily scrutinised. Personally, I think that they would rather avoid attention. But then again, some people's playing styles (Not looking at anyone in particular ) would lend themselves to more risky strategies. I don't know that that one would pay off. Unless they tried to avoid a lynch occuring by not being around at the lynch. Given how broadly votes were spread out on day 1 it would be easy enough to vote for someone, and slip off the train if it gains traction.

[Gamelon]

Omtose, on 16 March 2012 - 09:02 AM, said:

Tennes, on 16 March 2012 - 08:44 AM, said:

I'm going to have a read up over the next few hours too. I was thinking overnight how scum might play this game and I think it is in their best interest not to lynch. If there is no lynch it gives them more of a pool of people to recruit from. You could argue that they may want to eliminate the opposing scum but the chances are that they'll hit town more than scum this early in the game. [thoughts] We cannot allow them a free ride, so before reading the thread I suppose i'm looking for someone who is avoiding confrontation and laying low [/thoughts]It also makes me suspicious of people who want to wait until Friday to play, or cannot participate but will at a "later" date, this kind of talk makes me think that they are waiting to build up their numbers so that they have symps and people who agree with them. I'll have a proper read up today

Well I posted in the sign up that I couldn't play until I had the time off. As is I didn't expect the game to start until next week.

But at present I am going to put my, and keep my vote on Liosan until he stops posting like a twat.

vote Liosan

Hmm, that's 3 votes on Liosan. I hope he comes back and posts something a bit more useful. It's no help to town if we lose someone through silliness. Decipering his posts is rather annoying though

[Omtose]

Gamelon, on 16 March 2012 - 09:24 AM, said:

Tennes, on 16 March 2012 - 08:44 AM, said:

I'm going to have a read up over the next few hours too. I was thinking overnight how scum might play this game and I think it is in their best interest not to lynch. If there is no lynch it gives them more of a pool of people to recruit from. You could argue that they may want to eliminate the opposing scum but the chances are that they'll hit town more than scum this early in the game. [thoughts] We cannot allow them a free ride, so before reading the thread I suppose i'm looking for someone who is avoiding confrontation and laying low [/thoughts]It also makes me suspicious of people who want to wait until Friday to play, or cannot participate but will at a "later" date, this kind of talk makes me think that they are waiting to build up their numbers so that they have symps and people who agree with them. I'll have a proper read up today

Hmm, interesting points you raise. Attempting to stall lynches would be a fairly risky strategy, though wouldn't it? Generally anyone who is seen to be behaving oddly around lynch time is fairly heavily scrutinised. Personally, I think that they would rather avoid attention. But then again, some people's playing styles (Not looking at anyone in particular ) would lend themselves to more risky strategies. I don't know that that one would pay off. Unless they tried to avoid a lynch occuring by not being around at the lynch. Given how broadly votes were spread out on day 1 it would be easy enough to vote for someone, and slip off the train if it gains traction.

I'm more watching for changes in interactions. I'm watching three players right now that have shifted their potions IMO. I will leave it at that for now, not ready give out names. I want to watch a bit longer, see how they react to this subject being put forward.

[Gamelon]

Dun dun DUN! Sounds ominous.

Although they might be looking out for it now that you've mentioned it. I wonder if it's worth me doing the same thing? Would be interesting if anyone matches anyway.

[Tennes]

Omtose, on 16 March 2012 - 09:35 AM, said:

Gamelon, on 16 March 2012 - 09:24 AM, said:

Tennes, on 16 March 2012 - 08:44 AM, said:

I'm going to have a read up over the next few hours too. I was thinking overnight how scum might play this game and I think it is in their best interest not to lynch. If there is no lynch it gives them more of a pool of people to recruit from. You could argue that they may want to eliminate the opposing scum but the chances are that they'll hit town more than scum this early in the game. [thoughts] We cannot allow them a free ride, so before reading the thread I suppose i'm looking for someone who is avoiding confrontation and laying low [/thoughts]It also makes me suspicious of people who want to wait until Friday to play, or cannot participate but will at a "later" date, this kind of talk makes me think that they are waiting to build up their numbers so that they have symps and people who agree with them. I'll have a proper read up today

Hmm, interesting points you raise. Attempting to stall lynches would be a fairly risky strategy, though wouldn't it? Generally anyone who is seen to be behaving oddly around lynch time is fairly heavily scrutinised. Personally, I think that they would rather avoid attention. But then again, some people's playing styles (Not looking at anyone in particular ) would lend themselves to more risky strategies. I don't know that that one would pay off. Unless they tried to avoid a lynch occuring by not being around at the lynch. Given how broadly votes were spread out on day 1 it would be easy enough to vote for someone, and slip off the train if it gains traction.

I'm more watching for changes in interactions. I'm watching three players right now that have shifted their potions IMO. I will leave it at that for now, not ready give out names. I want to watch a bit longer, see how they react to this subject being put forward.

Finally i've caught up. Change in play and attitude will be one thing to look out for. Defense of others is another thing. Multiple attacks on one player is another. There are quite afew things to look out for, it won't be that big today because the recruiters have only had one day to recruit. Liosan's RP doesn't help but there are a few people already on that train. People keeping tight lipped because they are afraid to venture their own opinions will hinder us towards day end because they will just jump onto the train with the highest votes "just to get a lynch", we're running out of time to go for the most viable option. I'm 50/50 over Atrahal, he seems to be town at the moment, yet too town could be scum and he is always around. Scum usually like to watch the thread to have influence or comment when they are mentioned. I say usually because in this game they must want to lay low for the time being.

[Tennes]

We have a few hours today before we have to collectively decide who we think is best choice for today.



Vote Ruse

4 posts and each of them being poems.

Quote

Just about to start playing and i have a family emergency pop up.
I need to drive 3 hours 2 ways now.
sorry about the lack of play from my part, but i will get stuck in tomorrow morn.

Quote

Dost thou propose that
thou, servant, can err only
in time and not truth?

Methinks a mindset
such as this may be worthy
of more attention.

Quote

Shall we now only
speak with pen and poetry
like in times of old?

Alas, it must be -
I can only see My Lord
through his commands.

How now, brown cow, shall
we continue in our search
for evillest scum?

Only, I say, through
hunting lying liars, who
manifest in speech.

Quote

What's up my bitches. guess I'll go start reading the thread and catch up.

If he is a recruiter then he is so low he doesn't have to start playing until day 3 with two recruits under his belt. If he is town then he is a good choice for recruitment due to having no read, and spouting poetry (something karosis said niggles me here).