[amphibian]

Murder is awful. Kirk was awful. We are probably at a point of Balkanization level spark plug violence that's been primarily driven by far right wing people who want the targets of violence only to be left wing people and/or brown/black people.

I am not surprised some right wing people are reacting to the sudden loss of impunity for saying and doing the awful things they do. I am also not surprised some right wing people are immediately trying to use this as a cover for violent oppression and occupation. Everything is content grist for their mill of exerting what is an unpopular government that's sliding further into a faux dictatorship with a figurehead who's happy to pocket money while others do unconstitutional and dangerous violence in his name.

[HoosierDaddy]

"It's probably a lefty because they've talked about getting armed as a result to perceived threats to their liberties."

Maybe? Maybe it doesn't matter what the political bent of the person is? Guns don't discriminate, unlike human beings. Which is why traditionally the left wants to get rid of them.


"Charlie Kirk just debated with politeness and was actually face to face with people. I can't believe this happened to him!"

Shit-stirrer gets his shit stirred in response! More breaking news at 11!

It's sad. It shouldn't happen.

But it continuously does. If only we could find a way to reduce this gun violence....

Maybe open up both eyes and realize violence can come for you just as easy as it comes to others and right now there's nothing stopping it but chance. AND YOUR GUNS WON'T HELP YOU EITHER.

This post has been edited by HoosierDaddy: 11 September 2025 - 12:15 PM

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

HoosierDaddy, on 11 September 2025 - 12:14 PM, said:

Maybe open up both eyes and realize violence can come for you just as easy as it comes to others and right now there's nothing stopping it but chance. AND YOUR GUNS WON'T HELP YOU EITHER.

Yes, unfortunately even the fastest draw and the most precise marksperson won't realistically be able to parry a bullet with bullets. But what will help people? Body armor. Full body armor is best. Bullet-proof space suits for all---space suits so they're also good against pollution and airborne diseases.

But perhaps then people will move on to explosives and rocket launchers... in which case we'll all need very large heavily armored mechs to stroll around. Or more realistically: virtual reality. From our heavily armored bunkers.

This post has been edited by Azath Vitr (D'ivers: 11 September 2025 - 12:49 PM

[worry]

It sucks that any of us even know who Charlie Kirk is.

Is it worth noting that near simultaneous to when Kirk got shot in the middle of his racist, transphobic remarks defending mass shootings, there were also students being shot at a high school in Colorado?

Is it worth noting that it was just a couple days ago that our child molester president Donald J. Trump's drawing (of an adolescent girl) and poem reminiscing on that child molestation with his long-time friend and co-child molester Jeffrey Epstein was made public by Epstein's estate? After months of him denying it existed. And that it was dismissed by every single person in the pro-child molestation Republican Party who is up in arms today about the mean words people say about them?

[HoosierDaddy]

worry, on 11 September 2025 - 01:10 PM, said:

It sucks that any of us even know who Charlie Kirk is.

Is it worth noting that near simultaneous to when Kirk got shot in the middle of his racist, transphobic remarks defending mass shootings, there were also students being shot at a high school in Colorado?

Is it worth noting that it was just a couple days ago that our child molester president Donald J. Trump's drawing (of an adolescent girl) and poem reminiscing on that child molestation with his long-time friend and co-child molester Jeffrey Epstein was made public by Epstein's estate? After months of him denying it existed. And that it was dismissed by every single person in the pro-child molestation Republican Party who is up in arms today about the mean words people say about them?

My social media is ablaze with fellation of Charlie Kirk and it just provides a great reminder - Social Media is made up of people. People of whom half are more ignorant and less informed than average.

And the average person is terribly uninformed about things that are not in front of their face, in their backyard, or being screamed about by their media of choice.... which is often social media.

Recursive ignorance.

[amphibian]

Azath Vitr (D, on 11 September 2025 - 12:48 PM, said:

HoosierDaddy, on 11 September 2025 - 12:14 PM, said:

Maybe open up both eyes and realize violence can come for you just as easy as it comes to others and right now there's nothing stopping it but chance. AND YOUR GUNS WON'T HELP YOU EITHER.

Yes, unfortunately even the fastest draw and the most precise marksperson won't realistically be able to parry a bullet with bullets. But what will help people? Body armor. Full body armor is best. Bullet-proof space suits for all---space suits so they're also good against pollution and airborne diseases.

But perhaps then people will move on to explosives and rocket launchers... in which case we'll all need very large heavily armored mechs to stroll around. Or more realistically: virtual reality. From our heavily armored bunkers.

Oddly enough, this satire does go to the logical conclusion of the "stockpile infinite firearms" crowd - to hole up in bunkers and have food delivered in by people who take the risks of being in a society that involves that many firearms and people being horrible to each other.

The answers clearly lie in getting rid of most of the guns. So many better things flow downstream from that and we've seen it work in Australia etc. Until we develop that mass political will, the deaths will continue in a grisly march towards ruin.

[Macros]

Apparently its Southparks fault


I have to laugh at that 'this is the American Reichstag fire', bro you do know the 'communist'that did it was a mentally impaired patsy that the Nazis used to burn the fucking Reichstag down, you are now suggesting that the right did this as a flase flag to create a pretence to bring in a brutal dictatorship.
You dumb fuck Forney

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

QuickTidal, on 11 September 2025 - 05:12 PM, said:

FBI released couple of photos of the suspect...

It's a tall, white dude with some sort of American flag shirt on...

Quelle surprise.

FWIW:

Quote

Bullets recovered after Charlie Kirk's assassination were engraved with "transgender and antifascist ideology," a law enforcement source told The Wall Street Journal.

Citing "an internal law enforcement bulletin and a person familiar with the investigation," the paper reported that the ammunition was found inside a .30 caliber hunting rifle that was ditched in a wooded area at Utah Valley University [...] Three unspent rounds were in the magazine, "all with wording on them."

[...] The FBI said Thursday that it believes a bolt-action rifle was left in the woods by Kirk's killer while fleeing through the area. It made no mention of bullet engravings.

Charlie Kirk Sniper's Ammo Has 'Trans Ideology and Anti-Fascist' Engravings: Cops - The Daily Beast

Granted, could be ambiguous wording that's getting misinterpreted. Or law enforcement just outright lying yet again. But I'd expect WSJ to try to stick to more reliable sources---at least in terms of not telling outright lies. Then again the far right might be purposefully abusing that expectation.

This post has been edited by Azath Vitr (D'ivers: 11 September 2025 - 05:37 PM

[worry]

I don't think that's worth much, at this time.

[Whisperzzzzzzz]

https://x.com/Robert...923536348053614

[worry]

The flag shirt is from the Disabled Veterans National Foundation btw (you can find version of it on ebay fairly readily). Wouldn't yet take that as a partisan or right-wing symbol yet either. It is true -- as Whisperzzzz's post suggests -- that he was reviled by certain sects of the far right at least as much as on the left. Even if he trafficked in Nazi beliefs because that's what helps you rise up the GOP ladder, he was still clearly a poseur when compared to real hardcore true believers. But I don't know if this guy in the photos looks like one of those folks either. Might just wind up being one of those mentally ill guys with real mixed up 'politics' (if any), mostly paranoid grabbag nonsense, like the second guy who tried to get Trump at the golf course last year.

[HoosierDaddy]

That gun was definitely anti-human. It had the chance to be anti-deer or anti-mountain lion. It chose to hate humans and therefore it should be prosecuted under our most stringent of hate crime laws.

[worry]

QuickTidal, on 11 September 2025 - 06:18 PM, said:

worry, on 11 September 2025 - 06:12 PM, said:

The flag shirt is from the Disabled Veterans National Foundation btw (you can find version of it on ebay fairly readily). Wouldn't yet take that as a partisan or right-wing symbol yet either. It is true -- as Whisperzzzz's post suggests -- that he was reviled by certain sects of the far right at least as much as on the left. Even if he trafficked in Nazi beliefs because that's what helps you rise up the GOP ladder, he was still clearly a poseur when compared to real hardcore true believers. But I don't know if this guy in the photos looks like one of those folks either. Might just wind up being one of those mentally ill guys with real mixed up 'politics' (if any), mostly paranoid grabbag nonsense, like the second guy who tried to get Trump at the golf course last year.

Indeed. A disabled veterans shirt at least more definitively points to this someone being ex-military.

And yeah I think mentally ill is probably the most apt moniker at this point, regardless of political affiliation.

Tbc I just meant that as an additional option, not a conclusion -- I'm fully in "wait and see" mode still.

Anyways, here's some light cyberpunky reading for those interested in the motivations of a lot of seemingly arbitrary violence lately: https://en.wikipedia...4_(organization)

[Tiste Simeon]

Ugh. Tons of my Christian friends are reposting stuff about how he was a good Christian man and this is a travesty and quoting bible verses.

I would hazard a guess that many of them were not really aware of him prior to this and have just seen the memes and gone "oh no this is terrible" but honestly I'm so fed up. I've posted a few things and tried not to argue with every single dumb post, but I'll admit it's getting to me more than I thought it would.

I think I'm done with church honestly. I go to one that is in many way really good and I don't want to stop my kids going as it's a positive experience for them and we have some lovely wonderful friends but I think I'm mentally a bit checked out now.

I have not lost faith. I just find it hard to align what I see of Jesus and what I see if so many who claim to follow him. Even one of the heads of the network we're a part of posted something about "the west has lost a voice of faith" or something and it's like so white Supremacist coded I just can't. I don't even think he's racist I just think he's been drawn in (he's not American but lives and works there now so go figure.)

Interesting times ahead haha never had an internal crisis like this before, should be fun!

[amphibian]

I am Hindu and I was raised in a sort of "this religion is a buffet style" approach. That's ended up in me mostly not going to my temple, celebrating Hindu/Nepali holidays with my family and friends, having a couple gods in my home, and occasionally meditating quietly for a minute or two on my connection to the universe/my deeper self/other people.

I am sorry for the loss of part of the community who has moved to a place you would rather not go. I understand that mightily with the Modi/monarchist style right wing people in South Asian Hinduism. It's good to keep your faith and good to figure out ways to keep it strong alongside a vibrant, happy family and community that brings everyone to a better place in life.

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

Tiste Simeon, on 11 September 2025 - 08:29 PM, said:

Ugh. Tons of my Christian friends are reposting stuff about how he was a good Christian man and this is a travesty and quoting bible verses.

I would hazard a guess that many of them were not really aware of him prior to this and have just seen the memes and gone "oh no this is terrible" but honestly I'm so fed up. I've posted a few things and tried not to argue with every single dumb post, but I'll admit it's getting to me more than I thought it would.

I think I'm done with church honestly. I go to one that is in many way really good and I don't want to stop my kids going as it's a positive experience for them and we have some lovely wonderful friends but I think I'm mentally a bit checked out now.

I have not lost faith. I just find it hard to align what I see of Jesus and what I see if so many who claim to follow him. Even one of the heads of the network we're a part of posted something about "the west has lost a voice of faith" or something and it's like so white Supremacist coded I just can't. I don't even think he's racist I just think he's been drawn in (he's not American but lives and works there now so go figure.)

Interesting times ahead haha never had an internal crisis like this before, should be fun!

I don't know if it's any comfort at all, but as a non-religious person and with a partner who was raised religious and lost faith, I've commented to Mr NAB more than once before now that if more Christians were like you and Liz, I'd have a lot more time for it as a concept. I am sorry to read you're having a hard time though.

More generally I'm seeing a lot of people seemingly struggling with the concept that violence can still be bad without the victim having to be elevated to "good" (which he very clearly was not).

This post has been edited by TheRetiredBridgeburner: 12 September 2025 - 07:33 AM

[Maark Abbott]

Nicodimas, on 11 September 2025 - 01:07 AM, said:

Assassination culture has now officially been embraced by the left. They have to realize now after multiple times against Trump and the murder of Charlie Kirk. They have often times said they support killing Musk! Murdering over thought. Ill never understand the hate over time that has been embraced this last decade.

I've been saying for years now the embrace from the left calling people they disagree with naming them Nazis is outright one of the worst shifts they have embraced. That's actual hate. Remember that. Hate in your heart if you think that.

Now we got people getting murdered for it.

This isn't some conspiracy theory. This is what actual radicilzation looks like..

Many on the right are VERY afraid of what occurs next.

Yeah, No. The right have been calling for violence against the Other for decades now, and acting on it multiple times in the last decade (see Jo Cox, the Democrat lawmakers recently, the Jan 6 insurrection, the Farage Hotel Riots - I could go on) - but the moment one high-profile fascist is assassinated, it's a 'conspiracy'? What exactly are you smoking?

Also if we are not to call those who subscribe to nazi ideology nazis, what do you propose we call them. What other name would you like for us to use for those who embrace this ideology which already has a name but you consider the word hurty (despite all that yammering from the right about 'fuck your feelings'. What word should we use instead to coddle those who it applies to from the hurty words.

[Tiste Simeon]

No doubt they'll find a random thing to pick up on and blame the Left.

Amph/TRB - thank you for your kind words. I'm fine it's just disappointing & frustrating.

[worry]

Groypers are the specific brand of uber-online Nazis who follow Nick Fuentes. This claim about the shooter seems to be based on the fact that he dressed up as a Pepe the Frog meme for Halloween in 2018, which I don't think is conclusive.

The stuff that was found written on the unspent bullet casings does suggest that he was highly online-poisoned though -- there's some anti-fascist phrases but also some gamer stuff, some "you are gay LMAO" stuff, something about spotting bulges "OwO" [Maark can probably decipher that particular term]..So I don't know if there's coherent politics here so much as 4chan (or equivalent) nonsense.

[QuickTidal]

worry, on 12 September 2025 - 02:48 PM, said:

Groypers are the specific brand of uber-online Nazis who follow Nick Fuentes. This claim about the shooter seems to be based on the fact that he dressed up as a Pepe the Frog meme for Halloween in 2018, which I don't think is conclusive.

The stuff that was found written on the unspent bullet casings does suggest that he was highly online-poisoned though -- there's some anti-fascist phrases but also some gamer stuff, some "you are gay LMAO" stuff, something about spotting bulges "OwO" [Maark can probably decipher that particular term]..So I don't know if there's coherent politics here so much as 4chan (or equivalent) nonsense.

Ah okay, I'd never heard that term before. Thanks for the clarification.


Whatever he was, I think mentally ill is probably the top of that list.