[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

 QuickTidal, on 15 August 2025 - 03:14 PM, said:

you can believe what you want to believe man.

Instead of believing what you want to believe, you should genuinely seek empirical truth, even if it contradicts what you'd like to believe (and when you notice an irrational bias of that sort on your part, you should be especially careful to try to prevent it from warping your sense of reality---if your goal is the most accurate understanding of reality and the best ways to rationally respond to it).

Then again, there's also a very strong rational case to be made for the argument that most people would be better off living in their own fantasy worlds, and letting AI run everything (once it's ready to do that). (But letting Trump and his MAGA fascists run everything?... not so much. Especially when they decide (again) that they want to run Canada.)

This post has been edited by Azath Vitr (D'ivers: 15 August 2025 - 03:39 PM

[QuickTidal]

Before abyss comes and tell us to knock it off, because my replies are only going to get more antagonistic, let’s stop discussing it. We will never agree.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

QuickTidal, on 16 August 2025 - 01:01 PM, said:

Before abyss comes and tell us to knock it off, because my replies are only going to get more antagonistic, let's stop discussing it. We will never agree.

Well, let me leave at this then: I want to believe you're right, and I hope you're right, but I think the empirical evidence strongly suggests otherwise.

Bit surprised that as a naval history enthusiast you don't seem to have anything to say about Antoni giving interviews with a large painting of the Bismarck as his backdrop. Perhaps it's self-explanatory beyond elaboration (despite being named the Bismarck rather than the Hitler...).

August-2029. Trump is master of America. Only Canada stands before him. The subways of Toronto are now battlefields.

But I think we can agree there's a very good chance he'll drop dead before then... let us pray.

This post has been edited by Azath Vitr (D'ivers: 16 August 2025 - 01:38 PM

[Mentalist]

QuickTidal, on 14 August 2025 - 01:45 PM, said:

Tsundoku, on 14 August 2025 - 12:40 PM, said:

You're assuming Trump won't use his pet FBI, DOJ and Judiciary to solve the problem for him.


I fear within the next 12 months, Trump et al will be using the apparatus of the Fed Govt to directly and blatantly go after and falsely accuse, convict and imprison his political and economic opponents. Or drive them into effecive exile and political irrelevancy.
A la Putin et al, except on a much faster timeline. Will they have show trials and struggle sessions too? Or just skip that part and go straight to non-public extrajudicial executions?
All the while his supposedly "small Govt" and "I fear the Govt, that's why I have muh gurns" retards baying for their blood. Will be interesting to see if the same fate befalls these modern day Robespierres.

None of this matters when the Media turns on him. Once they realize that the "DJT is a story" is in the past, and "DJT's downfall is delicious and is the new story"....the narrative will shift against him on all quarters. Whether that happens before or after he passes away from Cheeseburger Heart Attack remains to be seen. And once he's gone things accelerate...deceased people cannot defend NDA's...every single piece of information, taper, video tape about this man will come out and the attempt at distancing from it will be swift.

If he has the cops and the courts, the media will shut up, or get fined/sued into irrelevance.

Not like we haven't seen this pattern before.

[Macros]

I think there is a bit of blinkers on both sides guys.
QT, you've been burnt before thinking Trump would fall, and Azath has over predicted on the other side before.

You have to agree to acknowledge that yoh both may be wrong

[QuickTidal]

Macros, on 17 August 2025 - 07:43 AM, said:

I think there is a bit of blinkers on both sides guys.
QT, you've been burnt before thinking Trump would fall, and Azath has over predicted on the other side before.

You have to agree to acknowledge that yoh both may be wrong

I will freely admit to being wrong, and know that I quite frequently am....but in this instance time is very much on my side. When Trump is gone, the NDAs everyone signed over his lifetime become meaningless...so everything will come out. EVERYTHING. The other aspect of that will be a MAGA civil war...no one will be able to replace that snakehead of the cult....no one...not in our history has a cult leader ever been successfully replaced. The regime will fall. It's just a matter of when.

My problem is that this fucker is affecting my job and my life and my bills....and I don't even live in his goddamn country. I am stuck dealing with tariff bullshit shouted down by the dictator in a neighbouring country because our economies are intertwined. So if I seem extra salty and that I need the hope of this mans downfall, it's because my home and any family may be at stake now...and that's a hard pill to swallow, and it will be a LONG LONG ass time before I forgive Americans for foisting this shit on the world.

[Macros]

There goes the civil lawsuit fine.

Bye bye last shreds of hope that America won't fully kow tow to the orange shit bag, dictatorship ho!

[Garak]

What happened? Also I thought the USA was already well along that route.

[Macros]

The bigly fine he got for tax fraud has just been nixed by a 'very brave'judge

[QuickTidal]

I know on one wants to jinx it...but I know we've all been following the fact that this man has not been seen on camera, in current video since August 26th. There are some still photos kicking around that seem to all either be from a few weeks ago, or the one of him and his granddaughter from last year...MAGA claiming he's fine....

But this is Donald...he loves nothing more than the spotlight. If he could be in front of the camera dispelling the rumours....he would.

So what do we think happened?

I don't think he's dead (not yet anyways)...

I could see a bunch of mini-strokes (perhaps one during the Putin meeting; and that's what spooked all his people) ending up in a bigger one that has left him unable to fulfill his duties.

People have noted that his medications are Cholesterol meds (which on their own would make sense) but coupled with the other two meds he's publicly on, they would only be something someone took who had already had a Heart attack or stroke and they are trying to prevent another.

But the thing that stands out to me most is that this man ADORES the spotlight, he has all his life...if he could feasibly appear on camera and tell everyone "I'm fine, look at me, healthy and hale!"...he would....the tweets by him don't sound like him, and the written Proof of life are not good enough. If this man was well, he'd be in front of cameras yesterday. He was not golfing, and even if one of those images that popped out IS current....they did it to get the photo, not for him to golf.

So my guess is the kerfuffle in DC now is succession, and how to manage the 25th without MAGA doing another Jan 6th...

Supposedly a presser today that was announced in the middle of the night last night....and it just says "The President will speak to the public at _____ time"....note it doesn't say President Trump will speak to the public...I'm not saying Vance was sworn in overnight....but it's possible isn't it? I mean, if they did it they can't keep it secret for long.

So my money is on a massive Ischemic stroke and Vance taking over the presidency...but I've been wrong so many times before...so who the fuck knows...maybe he'll come out dancing and pumping his little doll fists like usual....

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 02 September 2025 - 12:54 PM

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

QuickTidal, on 02 September 2025 - 11:34 AM, said:

I know on one wants to jinx it...but I know we've all been following the fact that this man has not been seen on camera, in current video since August 26th. There are some still photos kicking around that seem to all either be from a few weeks ago, or the one of him and his granddaughter from last year...MAGA claiming he's fine....

But this is Donald...he loves nothing more than the spotlight. If he could be in front of the camera dispelling the rumours....he would.

So what do we think happened?

I don't think he's dead (not yet anyways)...

I could see a bunch of mini-strokes (perhaps one during the Putin meeting; and that's what spooked all his people) ending up in a bigger one that has left him unable to fulfill his duties.

People have noted that his medications are Cholesterol meds (which on their own would make sense) but coupled with the other two meds he's publicly on, they would only be something someone took who had already had a Heart attack or stroke and they are trying to prevent another.

But the thing that stands out to me most is that this man ADORES the spotlight, he has all his life...if he could feasibly appear on camera and tell everyone "I'm fine, look at me, healthy and hale!"...he would....the tweets by him don't sound like him, and the written Proof of life are not good enough. If this man was well, he'd be in front of cameras yesterday. He was not golfing, and even if one of those images that popped out IS current....they did it to get the photo, not for him to golf.

So my guess is the kerfuffle in DC now is succession, and how to manage the 25th without MAGA doing another Jan 6th...

Supposedly a presser today that was announced in the middle of the night last night....and it just says "The President will speak to the public at _____ time"....note it doesn't say President Trump will speak to the public...I'm not saying Vance was sworn in overnight....but it's possible isn't it? I mean, if they did it they can't keep it secret for long.

So my money is on a massive Ischemic stroke and Vance taking over the presidency...but I've been wrong so many times before...so who the fuck knows...maybe he'll come out dancing and pumping his little doll fists like usual....

Perhaps the realistic best-case scenario for today is that he dances so hard he has a heart attack and dies on camera.

Do you have any good source for the claim about his combination of medications only making sense for someone who already had a heart attack or stroke?

[QuickTidal]

Azath Vitr (D, on 02 September 2025 - 01:45 PM, said:

Do you have any good source for the claim about his combination of medications only making sense for someone who already had a heart attack or stroke?

So he's publicly taking:


Rosuvastatin (cholesterol)
Ezetimibe
daily aspirin

Preventative aspirin is no longer a thing for heart issues. This means that daily aspirin regime is treating something (probable use as a blood thinner, which is a treatment preventative for managing ischemic strokes)

Ezetimibe is a secondary line med not typically used to treat LDL, statins like Rosuvastatin treat LDL high cholesterol just fine on their own, Ezetimibe is added in usually to treat someone who is a high cardiovascular risk, such as prior strokes, heart attacks, or arterial disease. In fact most simvastatins like Ezetimibe are used almost exclusively as a preventive...when you have TIAs (mini strokes), the chances of you having a bigger stroke are increased exponentially...as such, the addition of that med means he's had something that they are now trying to prevent recurring.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 02 September 2025 - 02:26 PM

[HoosierDaddy]

QuickTidal, on 02 September 2025 - 02:25 PM, said:

Azath Vitr (D, on 02 September 2025 - 01:45 PM, said:

Do you have any good source for the claim about his combination of medications only making sense for someone who already had a heart attack or stroke?

So he's publicly taking:


Rosuvastatin (cholesterol)
Ezetimibe
daily aspirin

Preventative aspirin is no longer a thing for heart issues. This means that daily aspirin regime is treating something (probable use as a blood thinner, which is a treatment preventative for managing ischemic strokes)

Ezetimibe is a secondary line med not typically used to treat LDL, statins like Rosuvastatin treat LDL high cholesterol just fine on their own, Ezetimibe is added in usually to treat someone who is a high cardiovascular risk, such as prior strokes, heart attacks, or arterial disease. In fact most simvastatins like Ezetimibe are used almost exclusively as a preventive...when you have TIAs (mini strokes), the chances of you having a bigger stroke are increased exponentially...as such, the addition of that med means he's had something that they are now trying to prevent recurring.

I'm taking all of those. All preventative.

[QuickTidal]

HoosierDaddy, on 02 September 2025 - 02:43 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 02 September 2025 - 02:25 PM, said:

Azath Vitr (D, on 02 September 2025 - 01:45 PM, said:

Do you have any good source for the claim about his combination of medications only making sense for someone who already had a heart attack or stroke?

So he's publicly taking:


Rosuvastatin (cholesterol)
Ezetimibe
daily aspirin

Preventative aspirin is no longer a thing for heart issues. This means that daily aspirin regime is treating something (probable use as a blood thinner, which is a treatment preventative for managing ischemic strokes)

Ezetimibe is a secondary line med not typically used to treat LDL, statins like Rosuvastatin treat LDL high cholesterol just fine on their own, Ezetimibe is added in usually to treat someone who is a high cardiovascular risk, such as prior strokes, heart attacks, or arterial disease. In fact most simvastatins like Ezetimibe are used almost exclusively as a preventive...when you have TIAs (mini strokes), the chances of you having a bigger stroke are increased exponentially...as such, the addition of that med means he's had something that they are now trying to prevent recurring.

I'm taking all of those. All preventative.

Okay, but Trump is an obese diabetic man nearing 80 with bruising on both hands, trouble walking straight lines, dragging his right leg frequently, has CVI and massive swelling in his ankles...I dunno your medical sitch, but I don't know that you also check all those boxes....I don't think medical doctors are weighing in on this for no reason. I think it's a trail of things.

I also cannot come up with any other reason why this man who has literally not shut his fucking gob for the last 8+ years, and has always had time to talk to the press has been completely absent from said media for a week now...why his "tweets" all seem like they were written by interns...like it's a pattern, not just one thing.

[HoosierDaddy]

QuickTidal, on 02 September 2025 - 02:58 PM, said:

HoosierDaddy, on 02 September 2025 - 02:43 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 02 September 2025 - 02:25 PM, said:

Azath Vitr (D, on 02 September 2025 - 01:45 PM, said:

Do you have any good source for the claim about his combination of medications only making sense for someone who already had a heart attack or stroke?

So he's publicly taking:


Rosuvastatin (cholesterol)
Ezetimibe
daily aspirin

Preventative aspirin is no longer a thing for heart issues. This means that daily aspirin regime is treating something (probable use as a blood thinner, which is a treatment preventative for managing ischemic strokes)

Ezetimibe is a secondary line med not typically used to treat LDL, statins like Rosuvastatin treat LDL high cholesterol just fine on their own, Ezetimibe is added in usually to treat someone who is a high cardiovascular risk, such as prior strokes, heart attacks, or arterial disease. In fact most simvastatins like Ezetimibe are used almost exclusively as a preventive...when you have TIAs (mini strokes), the chances of you having a bigger stroke are increased exponentially...as such, the addition of that med means he's had something that they are now trying to prevent recurring.

I'm taking all of those. All preventative.

Okay, but Trump is an obese diabetic man nearing 80 with bruising on both hands, trouble walking straight lines, dragging his right leg frequently, has CVI and massive swelling in his ankles...I dunno your medical sitch, but I don't know that you also check all those boxes....I don't think medical doctors are weighing in on this for no reason. I think it's a trail of things.

I also cannot come up with any other reason why this man who has literally not shut his fucking gob for the last 8+ years, and has always had time to talk to the press has been completely absent from said media for a week now...why his "tweets" all seem like they were written by interns...like it's a pattern, not just one thing.

Oh, surely there's smoke. Just saying that it doesn't mean there has already been like a stroke or heart attack.

I don't think Donald could run 1 mile, but I might be wrong!

[QuickTidal]

HoosierDaddy, on 02 September 2025 - 03:15 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 02 September 2025 - 02:58 PM, said:

HoosierDaddy, on 02 September 2025 - 02:43 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 02 September 2025 - 02:25 PM, said:

Azath Vitr (D, on 02 September 2025 - 01:45 PM, said:

Do you have any good source for the claim about his combination of medications only making sense for someone who already had a heart attack or stroke?

So he's publicly taking:


Rosuvastatin (cholesterol)
Ezetimibe
daily aspirin

Preventative aspirin is no longer a thing for heart issues. This means that daily aspirin regime is treating something (probable use as a blood thinner, which is a treatment preventative for managing ischemic strokes)

Ezetimibe is a secondary line med not typically used to treat LDL, statins like Rosuvastatin treat LDL high cholesterol just fine on their own, Ezetimibe is added in usually to treat someone who is a high cardiovascular risk, such as prior strokes, heart attacks, or arterial disease. In fact most simvastatins like Ezetimibe are used almost exclusively as a preventive...when you have TIAs (mini strokes), the chances of you having a bigger stroke are increased exponentially...as such, the addition of that med means he's had something that they are now trying to prevent recurring.

I'm taking all of those. All preventative.

Okay, but Trump is an obese diabetic man nearing 80 with bruising on both hands, trouble walking straight lines, dragging his right leg frequently, has CVI and massive swelling in his ankles...I dunno your medical sitch, but I don't know that you also check all those boxes....I don't think medical doctors are weighing in on this for no reason. I think it's a trail of things.

I also cannot come up with any other reason why this man who has literally not shut his fucking gob for the last 8+ years, and has always had time to talk to the press has been completely absent from said media for a week now...why his "tweets" all seem like they were written by interns...like it's a pattern, not just one thing.

Oh, surely there's smoke. Just saying that it doesn't mean there has already been like a stroke or heart attack.

I don't think Donald could run 1 mile, but I might be wrong!

For sure. I feel like whatever he announces today is going to be something stupid and he won't talk a lot, because they are very much hiding something.

It blows my mind that Biden was attacked CONSTANTLY about his "infirmity" while this guy continues to get passes while having CLEAR medical shit going on...MAGA is a cancer.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

And the announcement is... Trump has Ascended in death to become the immaculate Cyber-Trump, Go*-Emperor of the Multiverse! Nah, it's actually that the Space Command headquarters is moving to Alabama, to become the Rebel Hero Confederate Space KKKommand.

But Trump has yet to show up... so there's still some small hope he may be dead. (If reporters are permitted to be present, can they tell the difference at a distance between Trump and a robo-Trump?... hell, a good enough robo-Trump could be so convincing that they couldn't even tell close-up.)

[Tiste Simeon]

I like the theory that Putin poisoned him with some form of polonium while they had their secret meeting. The thought is that it would take about this long to go into effect and it's now slowly destroying him.

It's very much not the case (OK like 90% certain it's not the case) but the discussions about it were entertaining nonetheless.

What was the special announcement in the end? Was it just the moving of Space Force to Alabama thing? Was all this just to prove he's not dead?

[Briar King]

Oh my..

Nico did you hack everyone’s accounts?

[Tsundoku]

Amusing and slightly alarming opinion piece on America's gerontocracy.

America’s problem with ageing politicians extends far beyond Donald Trump and Joe Biden
Speculation over Donald Trump’s health threatens to mask an embarrassing truth about America’s politics – one that goes far beyond one man.

https://www.news.com...b5b83f108cf57c5

IMHO the Dems were forced to stay with Biden because they didn't have anyone suitable waiting in the wings. Well, noone they thought would appeal to a sufficient number of voters anyway.

Trump is being kept on by his fellow traitors and grifters because of the Trump base being biglier and yuger than anyone else's. Trump is the front man for their evil.
They'll dump gracefully retire him once they clear away the last vestiges of democracy and usher in their version of Gilead.

The part I find most darkly amusing: Trump's and the GOPs supporters in general should be the most anti-anything Govt overreach/surveillance state/removing your rights, aside from the more full-on Libertarians. But they are cheering it on.