[EmperorMagus]

 death rattle, on 30 January 2017 - 02:48 AM, said:

Shooting in Quebec City mosque, 5 dead. http://www.reuters.c...g-idUSKBN15E04S

I know that's not the USA, but can't be divorced from USA politics. The monsters are loose.

You know things are bad when I (involuntarily) think "thank god it's Muslims getting shot instead of the other way around" as soon as I see this news.

Jesus christ the world is a sad place.

[MTS]

 EmperorMagus, on 30 January 2017 - 03:20 AM, said:

 death rattle, on 30 January 2017 - 02:48 AM, said:

Shooting in Quebec City mosque, 5 dead. http://www.reuters.c...g-idUSKBN15E04S

I know that's not the USA, but can't be divorced from USA politics. The monsters are loose.

You know things are bad when I (involuntarily) think "thank god it's Muslims getting shot instead of the other way around" as soon as I see this news.

Jesus christ the world is a sad place.

I had the exact same reaction...

[D'rek]

 death rattle, on 30 January 2017 - 02:48 AM, said:

Shooting in Quebec City mosque, 5 dead. http://www.reuters.c...g-idUSKBN15E04S

I know that's not the USA, but can't be divorced from USA politics. The monsters are loose.

Nothing can be 100% divorced from USA politics in this era of globalization, but don't underestimate the difference between us. Much like when Michael Zehaf-Bibeau killed Nathan Cirillo and attacked Parliament Hill in 2014, we will react calmly. We will mourn the victims, decry the hatred which lead to this event, and give our sympathy to the loved ones of those who passed. Afterwards, we will question what new precautions, if any, we could take to prevent this tragedy from happening again, and make whatever efforts are necessary to reassure the world that this is still a safe place to come to, that you are still welcome here. Our news outlets will describe the situation as exactly what it is, not sensationalize it for the sake of entertainment. While your politicians will no doubt respond to this tragedy by somehow twisting it into a reason to further support their policies of deportation, limiting rights, unrestricting guns or just certain people not being welcome, our politicians will say this changes nothing. We will fight this with compassion instead of hatred, much as we have done before.

It's too bad we can't fully divorce from U.S. politics, actually. If we could, the papers would have been filed long ago.

[worry]

All of that sounds pretty right. I was just explaining why I put it here instead of, say, the groove thread.

[Tiste Simeon]

The more I've been scanning various things the more it seems this Muslim ban is a bit of a smokescreen for what Trump did with Bannon and the other NSC staff. Like, they want everyone to get enrages because they can do other stuff undetected. I dunno I'm reading a lot of different opinions ATM.

In other news the petition to have trump's state visit postponed or cancelled has reached over a million. It'll never happen but I like the message it sends. He won't listen to that message, but still...

[MTS]

This was one of his signature campaign promises though - it's what a part of his base literally elected him to come and do. I don't see the White House getting out this policy immediately as a scheme to get Bannon on the NSC - it's too small an issue. It's a news story for a few days, then the next thing happens, and nobody cares anymore. Done. Dusted.

[Vengeance]

Just more super dooper good news

https://medium.com/@...91d5#.83193e297

[Tiste Simeon]

 Vengeance, on 30 January 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

Just more super dooper good news

https://medium.com/@...91d5#.83193e297

Well that's moderately terrifying...

[Mentalist]

It's scary how much the analysis Vengy linked to reminds me of stuff I used to read about UA politics, until I burned out about a year ago.

Yeah, electing a businessman as president is NOT a smart move. Ever.

The SecCouncil thing is also smth similar to what a lot of uki presidents did-trying to turn a relatively obscure executive org into a parallel decision-making centre, staffed with cronies.

Lol, Western politics are becoming interesting God help us all.

[Cause]

 Tiste Simeon, on 30 January 2017 - 04:18 PM, said:

 Vengeance, on 30 January 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

Just more super dooper good news

https://medium.com/@...91d5#.83193e297

Well that's moderately terrifying...

Im googling him in more detail now but in general how much of a white supremacist, KKK, nazi enthusiast is Steve Bannon considered to be by the average american? He seems to get serious news coverage, being described as such, and yet I imagine if the links were really concrete he would have been too toxic an asset?

Also is Trump still being protected by private bodyguards? I would think the secret service would have a fit. I would have thought its illegal!

This post has been edited by Cause: 30 January 2017 - 04:51 PM

[Vengeance]

 Cause, on 30 January 2017 - 04:48 PM, said:

 Tiste Simeon, on 30 January 2017 - 04:18 PM, said:

 Vengeance, on 30 January 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

Just more super dooper good news

https://medium.com/@...91d5#.83193e297

Well that's moderately terrifying...

Im googling him in more detail now but in general how much of a white supremacist, KKK, nazi enthusiast is Steve Bannon considered to be by the average american? He seems to get serious news coverage, being described as such, and yet I imagine if the links were really concrete he would have been too toxic an asset?

Also is Trump still being protected by private bodyguards? I would think the secret service would have a fit. I would have thought its illegal!

Depends on where in America you are looking for average. If it is in the south then he is probably right on Q if it is in the northeast/Big cities or West Coast then He is a crazy neonazi who should be kept as far from power as possible. You have to understand America is huge and 46% of the voters just elected a crazy man to office who stated on his campaign that he was crazy and hated brown people. Bannon fits right in with Trump. In any normal presidency he would be sitting down in a swamp typing away on breitbart.

Yes. It isn't but the SS is better then the private guards. Trump is retardedly loyal to his people.

[Cause]

 Vengeance, on 30 January 2017 - 04:57 PM, said:

Depends on where in America you are looking for average. If it is in the south then he is probably right on Q if it is in the northeast/Big cities or West Coast then He is a crazy neonazi who should be kept as far from power as possible. You have to understand America is huge and 46% of the voters just elected a crazy man to office who stated on his campaign that he was crazy and hated brown people. Bannon fits right in with Trump. In any normal presidency he would be sitting down in a swamp typing away on breitbart.

Yes. It isn't but the SS is better then the private guards. Trump is retardedly loyal to his people.

Not sure its loyalty. At best its says he is so paranoid that he does not trust the very government agency built for his protection. Who better to protect him than the secret service?

At worse it has a very ominous connotation. Without being too alarmist it sounds almost like brown/black shirt nonsesne. I googled it and I see they often took it int their own hands to disperse protesters ad such during his campaign rallies.

[QuickTidal]

 Tiste Simeon, on 30 January 2017 - 04:18 PM, said:

 Vengeance, on 30 January 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

Just more super dooper good news

https://medium.com/@...91d5#.83193e297

Well that's moderately terrifying...

Agreed. There has never been an administration in power in the States that made me fearful of living north of them...the more days go by, the more this one chills me to my bones.

[Abyss]

 QuickTidal, on 30 January 2017 - 05:58 PM, said:

 Tiste Simeon, on 30 January 2017 - 04:18 PM, said:

 Vengeance, on 30 January 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

Just more super dooper good news

https://medium.com/@...91d5#.83193e297

Well that's moderately terrifying...

Agreed. There has never been an administration in power in the States that made me fearful of living north of them...the more days go by, the more this one chills me to my bones.

Don't sweat it too badly. If they invade we'll just burn down the White House. Again.

[Vengeance]

 Abyss, on 30 January 2017 - 07:12 PM, said:

 QuickTidal, on 30 January 2017 - 05:58 PM, said:

 Tiste Simeon, on 30 January 2017 - 04:18 PM, said:

 Vengeance, on 30 January 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

Just more super dooper good news

https://medium.com/@...91d5#.83193e297

Well that's moderately terrifying...

Agreed. There has never been an administration in power in the States that made me fearful of living north of them...the more days go by, the more this one chills me to my bones.

Don't sweat it too badly. If they invade we'll just burn down the White House. Again.

Can you make sure the president is in it this time.

[Abyss]

 Vengeance, on 30 January 2017 - 07:34 PM, said:

 Abyss, on 30 January 2017 - 07:12 PM, said:

 QuickTidal, on 30 January 2017 - 05:58 PM, said:

 Tiste Simeon, on 30 January 2017 - 04:18 PM, said:

 Vengeance, on 30 January 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

Just more super dooper good news

https://medium.com/@...91d5#.83193e297

Well that's moderately terrifying...

Agreed. There has never been an administration in power in the States that made me fearful of living north of them...the more days go by, the more this one chills me to my bones.

Don't sweat it too badly. If they invade we'll just burn down the White House. Again.

Can you make sure the president is in it this time.

That would only work if we burned down Trump Tower.
Also, i'm pretty sure he's fireproof.

[Abyss]

 Cheesewiz, on 30 January 2017 - 08:22 PM, said:

Lmao I've been banned from TFN for being a Trump voter.

You do know loud and proud Trumpists have been slamming TFA and R1 because of the female leads and racially diverse casts, right?

[worry]

It makes a kind of sense. I mean there's a difference between saying Kallor is a great villain on the page and admitting you voted in the real world to make America significantly more like the Kallorian Empire. The same is probably true of Vader/Palpatine/etc.

Luckily the Malazan Board is a whole lot nicer than most!

[Vengeance]

 Cheesewiz, on 30 January 2017 - 09:19 PM, said:

 Abyss, on 30 January 2017 - 08:54 PM, said:

 Cheesewiz, on 30 January 2017 - 08:22 PM, said:

Lmao I've been banned from TFN for being a Trump voter.

You do know loud and proud Trumpists have been slamming TFA and R1 because of the female leads and racially diverse casts, right?

Are you being serious? I can't tell.

I quoted a Mod who called us all uneducated bigots so I knew I was gonna be in crosshairs, then someone attempted to make fun of my southern typing so I hit back. Another person decided to jump on the train so I hit back jokingly on them with a at the end. The Mod decreed I was baiting so then I did indeed bait the Mod by saying reason he targeted me was because he was biased and that I quoted him originally. Banned. Amusing

QT could prob read it and see it was cause I was a Trump voter basically.

He is being serious. It was quite a big deal.

[worry]

It does suck to have your motives constantly questioned, to be stereotyped, to be homogenized, to constantly be taking the blame for the actions of what you see as a small subgroup that doesn't represent your POV.

Probably even worse when people in power are the ones doing it and you actually get punished/mistreated, and everyone else is just like "Stop playing the victim card!" Hopefully it's only temporary. Hate to think what it'd be like if it happened for, like, someone's whole life.