[Gorefest]

Cause, on 06 June 2019 - 09:48 PM, said:

Which segways to the question, why is America's evangelical Christianity so unique?

Because Europe dumped all their religious zealots in America in the 1800's.

[worry]

(They're concentration camps)

[HoosierDaddy]

Oh Jesus, please no more wars.

[Aptorian]

Could you elaborate?

Edit: perusing my news feed I'm assuming you're referring to the tonkin bay/false flag like attack on the oil tanker?

This post has been edited by Aptorian: 13 June 2019 - 06:56 PM

[HoosierDaddy]

Aptorian, on 13 June 2019 - 06:52 PM, said:

Could you elaborate?

Edit: perusing my news feed I'm assuming you're referring to the tonkin bay/false flag like attack on the oil tanker?

Yes. This admin is begging for a reason.

[worry]

I wonder what commodity could be at the heart of this subterfuge. What should I put in my "No Blood For _____" placard? Any ideas?

[Abyss]

worry, on 13 June 2019 - 07:54 PM, said:

...
I wonder what commodity could be at the heart of this subterfuge. What should I put in my "No Blood For _____" placard? Any ideas?

"The Blood God"

[Aptorian]

Bolton is surely a Khorne worshipper which kind of explains why him and Trump, the prince of Slaanesh, is often at odds.

[HoosierDaddy]

Huckabee-Sanders is out. Let's see what troglodyte they come up with next.

[Cause]

This shit show is almost unbelievable. What are the stats on turn over now? Why is she leaving? Do we know the sordid details yet?

Also did the president of the US really say he was open to receiving dirt on his political opponents, out loud!

[Cause]

This shit show is almost unbelievable. What are the stats on turn over now? Why is she leaving? Do we know the sordid details yet?

Also did the president of the US really say he was open to receiving dirt on his political opponents, out loud!

[Aptorian]

I actually don't think he's wrong, theoretically. If somebody hands you information that appears to legitimately show dirt on an opponent, that should be fair game.

Why would you make a distinction between domestic and foreign political dirt?

BUUUUUUUT

It's illegal and he knows it.

That shit needs to be vetted and, if it's from say Russia, it should be given to the right authorities (After you took a copy).

You shouldn't just publish dirty laundry for the sake of damaging an opponent. There needs to be cause for revealing information about an opponent.

AAAAAAND

He's spent the past 3 years claiming no collusion, no Russian connections, he never did anything wrong, etc., etc.

And now he's just outright saying he'll accept all the foreign meddlinge he can get.

The guy needs to be impeached.

[HoosierDaddy]

In theory he shouldn't be president. The EC allowed that; not the voters.

[Abyss]

Re Huckabee-Sanders, hard to say for sure but the media lines read like journalists are celebrating in the streets this is an amicable choice for her to go run the Arkansas chapter of the kkk do something else, not the kind of ejection the Trump regime is known for.

Re impeachment, there is much written on the point by people whose brains i have not yet sampled smarter and better informed than me, but my take on the bottom line is barring a video of Trump in a coke-rage, strangling an underage hooker with the American flag, supported by absolutely bullet-proof eyewitness testimony, DNA evidence, and three videos, no one has the appetite for taking a shot at impeachment that may not succeed, because that would make Trump for all intents and purposes a lock on another four years and also Immortal Dictator For Life as far as his zombies voters are concerned.

[Silencer]

Aptorian, on 14 June 2019 - 10:46 AM, said:

I actually don't think he's wrong, theoretically. If somebody hands you information that appears to legitimately show dirt on an opponent, that should be fair game.

Why would you make a distinction between domestic and foreign political dirt?

BUUUUUUUT

It's illegal and he knows it.

That shit needs to be vetted and, if it's from say Russia, it should be given to the right authorities (After you took a copy).

You shouldn't just publish dirty laundry for the sake of damaging an opponent. There needs to be cause for revealing information about an opponent.

AAAAAAND

He's spent the past 3 years claiming no collusion, no Russian connections, he never did anything wrong, etc., etc.

And now he's just outright saying he'll accept all the foreign meddlinge he can get.

The guy needs to be impeached.

Because if it is foreign, then you are:
1) allowing an external actor to influence your internal elections
2) potentially going to be extorted by said actor in the future or actively biased towards them out of gratitude, further undermining your national integrity
3) probably receiving information that has been obtained illegally - thereby both profiting from foreign espionage and implicitly endorsing it

And I mean, that is just the basic summary of why accepting information from a foreign source is dodgy as fuck.

Remember also, this is not one government formally passing information to another. This is a foreign government initiating clandestine contact with a specific political party for the purpose of achieving an outcome that favors that foreign nation.

If a foreign power has "legitimate dirt" on a political candidate, they shouldn't give it to that person's opponents. They should give it to the government through official channels. Hell, that actually goes for domestic sources too, but hey.

[Obdigore]

Abyss, on 14 June 2019 - 02:20 PM, said:

Re impeachment, there is much written on the point by people whose brains i have not yet sampled smarter and better informed than me, but my take on the bottom line is barring a video of Trump in a coke-rage, strangling an underage hooker with the American flag, supported by absolutely bullet-proof eyewitness testimony, DNA evidence, and three videos, no one has the appetite for taking a shot at impeachment that may not succeed, because that would make Trump for all intents and purposes a lock on another four years Immortal Dictator For Life as far as his zombies voters are concerned.

Not even attempting impeachement shows the center/center-left base that the current leadership of democrats has no stomach to fix, or fight to try and fix, all the shit the GOP is doing.

I don't think anyone expects impeachement to be successful in the senate. The house still needs to do it because its the right thing to do, and it will fire up their voters, which is what they need. Those people that continue to support trump live in their own murdoch-verse, and will never vote for anyone they aren't ordered to by their choice of right-wing media cocktail.

No one who isn't a fascist should be attempting to reach those people. They are a minority in this country, and frankly need to be re-marginalized. What the democrats need to do are swing actually left and embrace what the rest of the world knows as social democracy. Prove you're willing to fight for those policies, and how those policies are going to help people.

A majority of this country doesn't vote for 2 reasons. The first is because they think their vote doesn't matter, the second is because they think no one represents them. Those are the people the democrats need to tap into.

This post has been edited by Obdigore: 14 June 2019 - 03:15 PM

[Abyss]

Silencer, on 14 June 2019 - 02:48 PM, said:

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If a foreign power has "legitimate dirt" on a political candidate, they shouldn't give it to that person's opponents. They should give it to the government through official channels. Hell, that actually goes for domestic sources too, but hey.

What's legitimate dirt?

Doing lines of cocaine with known criminals, ok.
Taking bribes, sure.
Meeting with corporate interest lobbyists? Probably not.
Cheating on their spouse with trisexual midget triplets? Not a crime, 'official channels' won't care, but dirty, dirty enough to cost votes... or possibly gain them, depends on the constituency.

[Silencer]

Abyss, on 14 June 2019 - 03:22 PM, said:

Silencer, on 14 June 2019 - 02:48 PM, said:

...

If a foreign power has "legitimate dirt" on a political candidate, they shouldn't give it to that person's opponents. They should give it to the government through official channels. Hell, that actually goes for domestic sources too, but hey.

What's legitimate dirt?

Doing lines of cocaine with known criminals, ok.
Taking bribes, sure.
Meeting with corporate interest lobbyists? Probably not.
Cheating on their spouse with trisexual midget triplets? Not a crime, 'official channels' won't care, but dirty, dirty enough to cost votes... or possibly gain them, depends on the constituency.

Hence the quotes. I think it's mostly an oxymoron by nature. Either way it shouldn't be something sourced from foreign governments or their agents.

[Aptorian]

But what if your opponent is a part of the deep state!

[Malankazooie]

I hope Sunday school teacher Huckabee Sanders talks to a doctor who specialized in plastic surgery about options to have the perpetual hateful scowl removed from her face. On the real though, I hope she finds happiness, because she looked miserable.
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This might as will be the next WH Press Secretary. Just place a button before it that randomly generates words like:

- Fake News
- No Collusion
- Witch Hunt
- Liberal media
- corrupt media
- Tariffs
- The Wall
- Best
- Huge