[Primateus]

I have to agree with Worry as well. That list doesn't seem all that outrageous to me. Why not publicly advertise your agenda? Why not advocate for a measured pace instead of the inching along you, and quite frankly the rest of us as well, have been doing so far?

[Silencer]

Tsundoku, on 20 February 2019 - 10:16 PM, said:

worry, on 20 February 2019 - 08:51 PM, said:

Disagree. You start with everything you want to accomplish as a matter of principle. Make your ideals your goal posts. Everyone already knows it's not all "possible" overnight. And the Democratic Party is already full to bursting -- like a fissuring tumor -- with 'moderates' who've internalized gradualism as a "fact" of life and metabolized it as an ideology. They're obsessed with telling everybody else to wait, better things are down the line, if you just trust us to take you there an inch at a time. Largely because they're paid to say that by vastly wealthy interests who have no desire for change, and get rewarded for it when their job is through.


Anyway, literally nothing on that list sounds strange or radical to me. It's all like basic outline stuff for a civil society. Any novelty to it is just a sign of how steeped in poisonous we've been led to. Breaking up the biggest banks is a no-brainer, and probably among the most rooted-in-immediate-history. Since they, like, caused the Great Recession only a decade ago, were considered "too big to fail" and saved, with absolutely no consequences for what they caused and will cause again. In a healthier society, breaking up institutions this big and powerful would be routine.

100% with Worry on this one. We were like that until the 80s when they (re)introduced tertiary fees and deregulated the banks so the bastards could rip us off more. We've had equal pay for years except for individually negotiated contracts and a couple of other loopholes which will hopefully go the way of the dinosaurs soon. Our current govt is dragging it's heels on climate but we've made steps anyway. The banking Royal Commission we just had was quite eye-opening but IMHO the recommendations haven't gone far enough. People whinge about our medical system but it's still better than 99% of the world.

These are all things any decent society (especially first world) should have and the reason the USA doesn't is only because of those vested moneyed interests that have been running the country for decades, especially since Reagan. They play on the "Better dead than Red" stupidity that is a hangover from McCarthyism and taints any discussion of even light state support for it's citizens.

This. Also on the Worry agreement train. XD
Breaking up the banks is not only reasonable, it's necessary (bearing in mind, I have worked for banks my entire life).

[worry]

Good lord, I don't know what to say. This has never happened to me before.

[Tsundoku]

worry, on 20 February 2019 - 11:01 PM, said:

Good lord, I don't know what to say. This has never happened to me before.

Would you like to sit down? Cup of tea?

[Primateus]

worry, on 20 February 2019 - 11:01 PM, said:

Good lord, I don't know what to say. This has never happened to me before.

BREATHE WORRY!!! REMEMBER TO BREATHE!!

ahem...

[Malankazooie]

Mueller Report may be dropping next week. The light at the end of the tunnel of our long national nightmare may be barely visible? Or just a tease?

Mueller Report

[Primateus]

That kinda seems like pointless speculation to me, because what if it doesn't? Then what? We'll have to wait regardless.

Besides, haven't we heard that before?

[Slow Ben]

worry, on 20 February 2019 - 11:01 PM, said:

Good lord, I don't know what to say. This has never happened to me before.

Well if it helps i dont agree. Nope, not at all.


Except that i do also.

[Slow Ben]

This video of Tucker Carlson getting pissed at Rutger Bregman is pretty glorious.




https://www.washingt...m=.0a7a82cee6d9

[Coco with marshmallows]

worry, on 20 February 2019 - 11:01 PM, said:

Good lord, I don't know what to say. This has never happened to me before.

Maybe you should run for political office?

[Aptorian]

Slow Ben, on 21 February 2019 - 01:51 AM, said:

This video of Tucker Carlson getting pissed at Rutger Bregman is pretty glorious.

https://www.washingt...m=.0a7a82cee6d9

That video should be grounds for a firing or at least a serious reprimand and public apology.

But then again, Tucker Carlson is Tucker Carlson. He's doing what he's paid to do.

This post has been edited by Alternative Goose: 21 February 2019 - 09:39 PM

[worry]

What an embarrassment.

[Gorefest]

https://www.theguard...tion-we-started

Submitted article by senator Sanders in the Guardian.

[Macros]

he's got my vote

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

Macros, on 25 February 2019 - 04:31 PM, said:

he's got my vote

He'd have mine too. It'll be interesting to see how he does against Not-Clinton this time, given all the talk about foul play by her camp last time round.

[Aptorian]

I think his biggest opponent is father time.

[QuickTidal]

Alternative Goose, on 25 February 2019 - 07:51 PM, said:

I think his biggest opponent is father time.

I admit, I LOLed. Damn you Apt.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 25 February 2019 - 07:53 PM

[worry]

He is, by leaps and bounds, the best candidate in the race. I do have a few bones to pick with him since 2016: 1) voting for SESTA/FOSTA, which harms sex workers and drives the industry further into the shadows (thus already-vulnerable people further into harm's way), under the guise of curbing sex trafficking. 2) he's supposed to be improving his foreign policy slate, but I've seen no evidence of this so far...and his takes on Venezuela in particular have been naive at best, and fully in line with American imperialism regardless. 3) he needs to realize that race and other identity issues aren't subsets of economic issues, even when there's plenty of overlap. And they certainly aren't distractions from a progressive agenda, so treating them that way is condescending and off-putting. On the one hand, I think the level to which he does this is exaggerated by his opponents and will be used as a merciless and cynical wedge; on the other hand, the best way to counter that is with actual work, engagement, and good policy ideas. Nina Turner is a force of nature so I still have plenty of optimism on that front.

[worry]

Hey, Joe Biden is only one year younger than Bernie, and age is never brought up with him! And sure, Kamala Harris is much younger, but you have to add to her age all the time she gleefully and mercilessly imprisoned people for marijuana-related crimes, for power and profit. It's like what the skeksis did to podlings in the The Dark Crystal.

This post has been edited by worry: 25 February 2019 - 08:34 PM

[Malankazooie]

I'm sure Bernie's 2020 campaign will be absolutely free of the sexual harassment that ran rampant in his 2016 campaign. Because, yeah, you know, old white dudes are so amenable to change. Bernie is so 'woke' now that he sleeps with his eyes open.

And don't even get me started on creepy old man Joe Biden. Boundaries Joe, boundaries.